How was God created?

[jc84corvette]

Oh my theory is God just came up! He created him self some how.[:O]

[Van-Stolin]

The problem with this is that you are thinking of God as a being.  God as I think of him, is more of an energy that has a conciousnuss.  The way this energy came around is a very thought provoking experience.  Energy has been proven that it can't be created or destroyed and thus, God has to have always just.  Been.  There is no other way to explain it, he has just been in a existince in his plane of reality and when bored and lonly created all this, with the energy that he is made of.  Really makes you feel special when you think about it.[]

[Logic]

I believe everything was dreamed into existance.

[jc84corvette]

Yeah but who was the dreamer?

[Van-Stolin]

That reminds me of something.  It was a quote I don't remember who said it though.  "How do we know all this is real, what if this is just a dream that we are apart of.  But if it is only a dream then who is dreaming it?"  So maybe we are just a dream and there is another civilization outside of this.  This is kind of true concidering the astral, but you still have to think of where they came from and I still don't know.

[GhostRider]

Hmmm... how was GOD created???  

Let's see, take one Mr. God and one Miss(or Ms.) God

Add some fine Italian (or Greek) cuisine (hearty food for some
hearty loving ahead, eh?)

A couple bottles of fine Port.

Some smooth, sexy Cole Porter playing in the background

And "VOILA"!!!  .............you have one freshly made GOD!

~GhostRider (You're FIRST source for indisputable facts!)

LOL!

[Rob]

I remember Steven Hawkins reply to the question "what was before the big bang?" - he said that the question is meaningless, since there was no time before the big bang. There was no "previous" (maybe there still is?)

Similar with God.

Another way of thinking about it, is that if God is infinite (which I think he is) then its totally impossible to think of something which could exist before Him. Its like saying infinite + 1 = infinite, ie God +/- anything = God. The infinite covers all things. However if God is everything, then He is also nothing. So if you want to say that previous to Gods creation He was nothing then he would still be Infinite. You cant win with logic!

Rob

[bomohwkl]

See what you think
The quote below is from the book,
The freedom of choice
from http://thefreedomofchoice.com/

Page13-14
The Beginning
Imagine The Beginning.
The Beginning of Everything.
There is NOTHING.
Absolutely Nothing - no space, no time, no perception, no
consciousness - nothing.
Can you imagine TRUE NOTHING?
I know that it is hard, but try...
Imagine theoretical, hypothetical, absolute NOTHING that had
to exist before anything else in The Beginning.
The Beginning of Everything.
Try to imagine NOTHING in your mind.
Now, how many absolute "Nothings" like that can exist?
If you say 2 or more - neither of them will be "nothing"
anymore - there will be 2 of "something" that you defined and
distinguished as 2 separate "things".
So, we have to conclude, that in The Beginning - there could
only be ONE NOTHING.
Singularity.
Hence, the entire Universe must be a Single Process – no
matter how complicated it seems to us and no matter how
limited is our perception and interpretation of it.
Incidentally, everything that our astronomers can perceive in
the Universe seems to originate from the Single Point in Space
– called by scientists the Centre of the Big Bang. [16]
Is it a coincidence?
..................

page18-19
The Origin of Intellect

We agreed that in The Beginning there was a Singular
Nothing.
We also agreed, that before Life could come to existence –
there had to exist a Great Intellect who designed it.
How could a Great Intellect come to existence? Could it come
to existence from and In the Nothing?
Well, we have just discovered, by examining certain aspects of
ourselves in one of the previous sections of this book, that
intellect CAN and actually DOES develop itself. You have a
proof of it within your OWN intellect.
Indeed, when you sincerely and thoroughly examine Your Self
– you will find that your own intellect has expanded itself
from a very simple awareness, so simple in fact, that you may
not even consciously remember it.
So, we have a very logical sequence. The Intellect developed
ITSELF from the simplest possible awareness – just as our
intellect did.
In other words, the awareness of Nothing expanded itself -
much as OUR awareness did. That's why it is SO important to
study ourselves – it is the only way to understand
Consciousness.

From awareness - consciousness of "being", intelligence and
Intellect developed - all by ITSELF and with ITSELF. Nothing
else was needed - only the INTENT of Intellect to think by
itself – at every stage of its own development.3
We have already established that one of the most pleasurable
and satisfying activities for Intellect is to develop ITSELF.
Hence, it is almost certain, that after sufficient amount of
thinking The Intellect became very evolved - from and in the
Nothing.
Apart from the pleasure of developing itself, what OTHER
essential needs of The Advanced Intellect can we identify
beyond any doubt? What would satisfy The Great Intellect and
Intelligence of the Designer of Life? It seems impossible to
say... However, we CAN determine the needs of OUR
intellect, can't we?
Let's try to establish what activities are the most satisfying
for YOUR intelligence and intellect.
Imagine that you have no physical body - only intellect and
intelligence. What would be the most pleasant and most
satisfying activity for your intellect? The ULTIMATE
activity? That would NEVER be boring, that you would like
doing indefinitely long?
It is purely about yourself. The better you understand the
answer - the closer you will approach complete understanding
of the Purpose of the entire Universe. For this reason, I suggest
that you THINK about the answer to this question, before you
continue reading.

[jc84corvette]

From awareness - consciousness of "being", intelligence and
Intellect developed - all by ITSELF and with ITSELF. Nothing
else was needed - only the INTENT of Intellect to think by
itself – at every stage of its own development

That sums it up for me pretty much! But what evidence is there?

[Logic]

The dreamer lives in his own dream.

[TheSeeker]

I think that time is not all emcompassing.  Just a realization or perhaps an idea I had/experienced.  If God exists outside of or above time, he does not need to have a beginning, because beginning indicates that it exists within time.  

And, I think as long as we think in a linear fashion we will never understand.  I think that for conciousness itself to evolve you have to expand outwards (grow outwards), not forward.  Like going from being in a box, to being outside the box looking at it (only now you're in a bigger box).

Just my thoughts, I do not claim to be right, just thought I'd throw my theory out there.

[jc84corvette]

I now think god dreamed up the world.

Did he make the universe as well?

[Risu no Kairu]

Sugar...
Spice...
And everything nice...

These were the ingrediants chosen to create the perfect Creator, but Professor Utonium accidently added some Chemical X to the concoction and thus God was created!

[jc84corvette]

Uhhhhh?
[]

[bomohwkl]

That sums it up for me pretty much! But what evidence is there?

Study yourSELF. Look backward to the day u are born. The evidence exists in the mind.

[bomohwkl]

"If God exists outside of or above time, he does not need to have a beginning, because beginning indicates that it exists within time.
"

Is there any evidence?

[TheSeeker]

As far as evidence goes, no.  It was just a deep thought I had (atleast I thought it was deep, hehe).  But, then again, what real physical evidence can you have on something spiritual in nature?

[jc84corvette]

I guess we will not know untill we die.

[Nagual]

Maybe we will never know; even after death...

[Mustardseed]

I believe we have not been given tha ability to understand this. Try to reach out and feel for the answer to thet question.......nothing right!!.Anyone who claims to know the answer to this, or attempts to even explain this is  IMHO severely misguided by pride and deluded by ego.[][)]and quite foolish
Regards MS

[MJ-12]

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[jc84corvette]

quote:Originally posted by Nagual

Maybe we will never know; even after death...

[Rob]

I remember an experience Robert Bruce had where he says he was meditating and saw himself walk into the room, only with glasses on, then pick up a book, see himself sitting in the chair, wave and then walk out. A few years later he experienced it himself on the other side of time as it were, exactly the same. Didn't screw it up or anything [8D]. So.....
I also remember Robert Monroe experiencing a sort of meeting with himself in the astral, but similarly years apart.
Oh, one other thing from RB's side - connecting with himself in previous lives through the all-pervading NOW.
Like all things in nature, time is just another thing we have to "understand" (or at least gain control of, mastery eventually). Bring it on!

Rob

[Beth]

Mustardseed,

You wrote:

quote: I believe we have not been given tha ability to understand this. Try to reach out and feel for the answer to thet question.......nothing right!!.Anyone who claims to know the answer to this, or attempts to even explain this is IMHO severely misguided by pride and deluded by ego.and quite foolish

Your literal interpretation of the bible and your modern Christianity certainly claims to know the answer--wasn't Jesus supposed to be God incarnate? AND wasn't HE born of a virgin? And didn't HE die and resurrect back to his place in heaven? And won't HE return again, very soon I might add, to save the Christians and send all others to hell?  

OR PERHAPS--are you finally "getting it" and all these silly claims are--just as you said,"misguided by pride and deluded by ego and quite foolish"

You truly baffle me Mustardseed...do you have a twin that also posts to this board?

[Mustardseed]

Oh Beth be nice now. Remember!!!The question was HOW!   You surprise me too .

I can just see you maybe 8 or 9 yrs old in the schoolyard arguing with your friends  "no you are a dogpoop....no you are no you are" all flustered and red cheeked . You look so cute with your dimpled cheeks and freckles, and then you burst out na na na na na and turn on your heal before anyone can answer you and with your nose high in the sky you leave, still sizzeling inside with the hurt and and crying a salty tear at how mean they were to you []
I have no problem with you Beth. I dealt with kids all my life.[]