HELP ME PLEASE.....DOES GOD/JESUS REALLY EXIST????

[GhostRider]

I won't make up your mind for you nor is it ethical that I do so.  So here is some sites that should help YOU make up your mind.  When in doubt, arm your mind with truth and facts to temper the direction of your hands and heart.  

Here they are...

  http://www.buddhanet.net/

  http://www.islamworld.net/

  http://www.himalayanacademy.com/

  http://www.cwrc-rz.org/

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholicism

  http://www.jewfaq.org/

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglicanism

  http://www.deoxy.org/shaover.htm

  http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com/

  http://www.positiveatheism.org/

  http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/

  http://www.ulc.org/

  Then, after you've perused ALL these sites (no need to memorize them...)  read this book and THEN tell me what you think... "And the Truth Shall Set You Free"  by David Icke

[Skudgett]

i think he does [|)]

[lau_lauz]

thankyou for your opinions. im still not sure tho i mean theres no evidence, some religious person could have made it up in the beginning and told his followers to go along with it, how would we know whether  thats tru or not, its complicated but needs to be found out!!!

[lau_lauz]

is the bible all true?

[Logic]

stop asking dumb questions.

[lau_lauz]

p*** off you dumb f***

[Logic]

How mature of you. Don't spend all day thinking of something intelligent to reply with now..

[lau_lauz]

ok i wont[]

[beavis]

The bible is all true, including the parts that contradict. Dont ask me for contadictions. Look up "bible contradictions" on google if you want to see them. There are many.

[Tenacious]

lau-

Ok first, I wanted to state that this is a question that has been clichéd if you know what I mean. []

Ok, now, onto the good stuff:

Not a single person here can tell you that there is "proof" of god/jesus.  They can tell you, however, of personal experiances with the person(s) they have encountered.  I for one think that God is real.  However, you have to make up your own mind.  Also, don't look for Proof.  You will never find proof in the physical world because god is not in the physical world, rather the spiritual world.  You must decide for yourself what to believe.  If you are a serious Astral Projector (more than a novice would be best[]) then ask your spirtual guide to bring you to god.  You will be surprised! If you noticed my philosophy quote below, "The most interesting people in the world are those you do not understand" then you can even apply that to god.  Good luck with your decision, it is one that is tough to make, but I'm absolutely sure you will find the answer you seek!

[jimbola]

Did Jesus exist-probably.
Was he the son of god-unlikely.
Does god exist-only in the hearts and minds of the gullible.
There is not and never will be proof of the existence of god.

[Nagual]

quote:There is not and never will be proof of the existence of god.

Which contradicts the previous affirmations you made...  []
No proofs = maybe yes/no.

[jimbola]

No it does not you imbasil, there is documentary evidence to support the existence of Jesus, whether he was the son of god or indeed whether there is a god is in my opinion nonsense. It's the same as if I claimed to be the son of god, I clearly do exist but there is no god and so I am not his son, comprende?

[Nagual]

Ok, let me try again for you:
You say: "Does god exist-only in the hearts and minds of the gullible.", which basicaly translates to "God does not exist".
Then, you say: "There is not and never will be proof of the existence of god."
Don't you see the problem?
How can you say it does not exist without proofs...?
And no need to insult me, it won't help you to convince me...

[jimbola]

I presume English is not your first language.

[Wyzeguy211]

quote:Originally posted by Nagual

Ok, let me try again for you:
You say: "Does god exist-only in the hearts and minds of the gullible.", which basicaly translates to "God does not exist".
Then, you say: "There is not and never will be proof of the existence of god."
Don't you see the problem?
How can you say it does not exist without proofs...?
And no need to insult me, it won't help you to convince me...

Makes sense.

[T_Kman0610]

Here are my oppinions,
does god exist? = yes whether you know it or not he does, and how you might ask? well if he didnt exist than we wouldnt exist and in theory i doubt the big bang would have any relation to creating humans. why? because it just wouldnt. He is the one and only true creator of this  beautiful universe. and for all you satinists out there who believe the devil is god or something, you should know that the devil was a fallen angel and was a being at one time. and if you dont believe in god it shouldnt make any differance because your not believing in the devil either.
and in other posts made, god is not a being, if he was something would have to create him. i believe the one thing that created everyting that made an infinite amount of things creating things and so on was god, and god which isnt a being but something of pure good and i guess evil is just there. its complicated  to explaine but in the futrue we will all figure out what is and what isnt.

thanx for reading,
T_Kman0610

[jimbola]

The point is i'm being asked to prove that god does not exist, lets be honest about where we are all coming from, you know that I don't believe there is a god and I presume that you do. Well there is no proof that god does exist. You prove to me that he does exist then, have you any concrete evidence of gods existence?

[jc84corvette]

I simply think he does exist. Faith...

[Nagual]

quote:I presume English is not your first language.

Jimbola, that's all you have to say...?  So you won't answer if english is not my mother language?  That's a little weak; I expected something more challenging from a "christian basher" like you (guessed from your useless website)...

Personaly, I don't care since I am agnostic...  You keep demanding people that believe in god to prove that he exists; but you yourself keep saying he does not exist and don't give any proofs either...

You just come in this forum to have a "fight"; a useless fight...

[kakkarot]

look in a mirror jimbola. do you really think that organic life evolved from non-organic non-living toxic soup like evolutionists claim?

how many attempts would there have to be for the soup to actually create life? about a 1-in-many-billion chance of it happening. and then how many of those successes would be needed for one of the one-celled organism of organic matter to learn how to consume food in order to continue living? and how many attempts after one figured out how to continue living before it figured out how to procreate? and then how many attempts after one learned how to consume food and procreate before it learned how to teach it's offspring to consume food and procreate? and how many more attempts before they learned to work together in order to create a mult-celled organism? and then what are the chances of not just one type of organism evolving from that but the billions of types of organisms that have existed on this planet for quite some time now?

the sheer chance of all this life being here is so small that by statistical probability it is impossible, ESPECIALLY considering that (supposedly) the earth is only a few billion years old and it took how long for such a possibility as just creating the first life form (according to the scientists who believe in evolution?) to occur?

so which do you think it is more logical to believe in? God or no God?

next: logic dictates that you cannot prove a negative. you absolutely CAN NOT proof that there is no God, there is absolutely NO PROOF WHATSOEVER that can show that something does not exist. if you think you have proof, you're an idiot.

and finally jimbola: if you can't spell imbecile, should you really be calling people that? (you spelled it as "imbasil")

and to lau: there is proof that jesus existed.
as to proof of God: people see what they want to see, and don't see what they don't want to see.

~kakkarot

[jimbola]

Read carefully. My assumption that english is not your first language was based on the fact that you clearly did not understand what I was saying. You basically called me a hypocrite because you did not understand what I was saying so I returned by calling you an imbacile (thanks for the correction, which dictionary do you use?) now it is true that I cannot prove a negative, well heres news for you I don't have to, you must prove the positive. There is no proof that god does exist. This is not a useless fight, you are simply offended because I have challenged your views to which you have no logical basis.
This website is simply not balanced if it is frequented only by people that will frankly believe anything.

[Nagual]

quote:You basically called me a hypocrite

Could you quote me saying you were an hypocrite?

quote:you are simply offended because I have challenged your views

You said: "There is not and never will be proof of the existence of god."
I said: "Which contradicts the previous affirmations you made... No proofs = maybe yes/no."
You said: "No it does not you imbasil"

You call me "imbasil" and you wonder why I feel offended...?  [|)]

Ok, let's try again:

Could you please translate in simple words your sentence?
"Does god exist-only in the hearts and minds of the gullible."

How can you state that something does not exists until proven so...?
The only thing you can say is: maybe it exists, or maybe not.

[lostprophet]

I side with my old mush jimbola on this one. Faith is good but what we're discussing is proof of God's existence, which doesn't exist. Yeah, the bible teaches good stuff, but I don't think half of it is true. Maybe Jesus was just the David Blaine of his time.

Jimbola, it's imbecile. And yes, I agree.

Which website are you insulting Naushal? If you say a thing about rage club then it's Fist City for you mate.

Evolution is completely logical in my opinion. You say that it's a one in several billion chance - well there are  several gazillion chemical reactions going on at any given moment, so this is probable. Also, Earth got lucky, there are trillions of suns with hamillions of planets so one is bound to get lucky. Besides, there's proof in antbiotic resistance shown by bacteria.

[jimbola]

Thanks mate.
"How can you state that something does not exists until proven so...?
"
Surely you can see the flaws in this one. Please prove that there is a god.