Is 2012 Coming Early?

Tisha · October 25, 2003, 16:34:36

Jeez, everyone wants to be around for the g*dda*n apocalypse. [xx(]

2012 is just a number. Someone in Europe started counting, from the day of Jesus's purported death. A year lasts a certain amount of time. Guess how long: One year! So 2012 cannot, will not, come early. But changes are a'coming, and a lot of people are feeling the effects of the Change. But sorry, it's not demons, it probably won't happen in 2012, and the world is NOT coming to an end. We're just phasing out of one kind of consciousness and into a new one. And this new consciousness will be good.

Sorry to break it to you guys, but there is no end. Maybe the end of YOUR world, or mine, but the funny thing about Eternity is that . . . it never ends! Fancy that! It changes, perhaps in ways that are hostile to your life form . . . but, SO? Your soul is eternal, and where you go after your physical death is largely up to you.

So, given this thought, what are you doing with your SOULS today? Getting closer to the Divine, or wringing your hands over chicken-little fantasies? C'mon, there is REAL work to be done! Stop speculating and work on your soul, and work on your experience of being human.

Wouldn't it be horrible if, on your deathbed, you looked back upon your life and realized that all you ever did was wring your hands and wait for the End? What a wasted life!

Van-Stolin · October 25, 2003, 23:33:39

Thats what I have been saying. Although when I usually get vibes they mean something bad is going to happen. I hope it won't come to a war, but it will be cool to see what happens regardlus of it being good or bad.

Dark Knight · October 26, 2003, 10:49:42

Yes, Gandalf, I agree. I think the apocalypse is a load of American Puritanism...and it's all the fault of the English. If the English hadn't made the lives of the Puritans so miserable, they wouldn't have ended up in Plymouth Rock and we Americans wouldn't be wrestling with this crap today [

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We are heading for changes, and the only end coming as far as I am concerned is the end of old ways that don't work. It's called growing up. I would believe that is what 2012 would be. And taking a cue from my science background I would assume the changes come like a titration curve. Starts out slow, picks up, then skyrockets and levels off, starts over for the next run. We're probably at a point where were seeing things pick up.

Shenron...was the name of the Earth's Eternal Dragon in DBZ. You said you weren't into anime, even though the first time I saw you post, you had an avatar of Goku's father. The mispellings are timed a little too well, and damn insulting, still! I don't believe for a minute you're from Japan.

Mustardseed · October 26, 2003, 11:27:07

huh ......

Van-Stolin · October 26, 2003, 13:32:34

Dark means Shenron, the poster. Even though Shenron is on dbz, the myth of that dragon goes a long way back. In japan it is Shenlong instead so he would spell it like that if he was from there, which I don't think so either. Everyone that is from there loves anime since it has so much varitiy for the ages.

Clow · October 26, 2003, 16:44:55

As soon as someone metions the demon war of 2012 the whole post becomes a debate. Once again I do NOT want that. This post is for people who do believe that a demon war is going to happen. Please talk about that here not the other stuff.

I'm not sure how to imagine this in my mind but I have heard that our demensions astral and physical will collide and make the astral physical that is what most people are feeling... Sensing. BTW When I posted the "Is 2012 coming Early" Tisha what 2012 was refering to was the demon war. Yes these changes may be good. Demensions colliding merging. I think that will bring new creatures. I beleive maybe the demensions Astral and Physical may have collided a long time ago then seperated again. That is where mythology of dragons came into play Demon/Human ect..

Cel · October 26, 2003, 17:04:06

it's possible to have the two dementions collide. Yet for that to happen the barrier to the physical would have to be broken which is diffcult to do with the ancient barriers protecting it. I'm not sure if the ancient protection barriers/glyphs do exist but it's some myth that has popped up.

Pai · October 26, 2003, 18:05:35

Hi! I'm the one Clow was talking about when he started this thread. From what I understand, there is a ruler of almost all demons, Zi, who wants to take over the physical plane. He has an army ready, but needs to open the gates connecting the two planes. He needs pure dragon tears to do that. There are only two dragons left, that I've met so far. One of each species was spared after an ancient war. The species were Black, White, Grey, Gold, Green, Red, and Ancient. The Ancients were wiped out by the Gold dragons because they were too powerful. The Gold dragons wanted to be safe, so they joined with an army of demons. I'll tell you the rest tomorrow, I have to go.

Van-Stolin · October 26, 2003, 18:21:07

There are only two dragons left although how you have meet them I have no idea, there might be more or maybe not. There are also dragons in the astral and not just ones that are thought forms, I mean dragons that have died and gone there. Although the species of dragons you mentioned are some what off. The only ones that I know of are black, blue, red, white, yellow or gold and the basic green. Black is where the king of dragons Bahumat decended from and is the most powerful. Never heard of ancient.

Clow · October 26, 2003, 18:32:50

Hi Pai nice to see you finally got onto astral pulse. =). Maybe you can tell me more about Zi at school never heard of him.

Many things exist in the astral that is why I think that maybe the demensions did clash along time ago and stuff got left behind when they went seperate ways. That would be where our myths of dragons and monsters came into play. Also why there are people who are part demon.

MJ-12 · October 26, 2003, 18:58:40

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Clow · October 26, 2003, 19:34:11

Everything is originated from something so That is most likley where Final Fantasy 7 got that.

Van-Stolin · October 26, 2003, 20:31:53

Bahamut has been a legend for as long as I can remember. The queen of dragons and his sister is called Tiamat and she doesn't care for humans to much, there is something about her coming back to wipe out those she feels arn't spiritual enough.

Clow · October 26, 2003, 21:00:33

Well I think I know some people on that list lol. Anyway in the American culture many people think that if you are spiritual you are wierd So I try to keep it to myself. I still would'nt like to see a lot of people wiped out by a dragon. I don't like death.

Van-Stolin · October 26, 2003, 22:10:59

Well all of us will end up in the up in the astral anyway so it really doesn't matter.

Clow · October 26, 2003, 22:51:43

That may be true but do you want the astral taking our lives from us and living in our place. I don't. I was seriosly hoping that I was feeling stuff that wasn't really happening. Then again maybe I'm overestimating the demons. Either way I thought it might be good to prepare people for what is or might happen. I'm going to feel real stupid for getting so worked up about something that won't happen.

Anonymous · October 26, 2003, 23:17:28

All it takes for an evil spirit to defeat you is for you to underestimate yourself. If you do not believe you can win the fight, you have already lost.

Anonymous · October 26, 2003, 23:20:09

We may live to see the end of times. Somebody has to. If death wishes to claim me at that time, I am not afraid. But I'm not going down without a good fight.

JustLikeThePill · October 27, 2003, 04:01:33

jeese. dont any of you guys believe in god? we wont to go the astral when we die, we'll go to heaven or hell. but hey, thats just my opinion.

as far as the demon war, thats the biggest pile of excrement i've ever heard. this really belongs in the tabloids, guys. we should sell this story and make 50 bucks or so. lmao! There is no Demon war and this guy isn't a demon. People sometimes lie to themselves to much that they start to believe the lie. What do i think about 2012? i think something will happen. I dont think any demons will unluck the "gates" with "dragon tears". i dont think there are any gates. Its not like "ok, heres the physical and heres the astral" it flows. We just dont notice the astral unless we do it purposefully or by accident "and sometimes when it happens accidentally people think they have encountered ghosts, demons, been possessed, ect ect".

by the way, you said there are only 2 dragons left, but you also said that 1 of each species was spared, there should be 7. And how could the ancients (less powerful) wipe out the golds (too powerful)? that doesn't make sense.

and i feel stupid for even using the terms "ancients" and "golds" and talking about dragons and demons.

And i think alot of the negs/astral wildlife are just subconious projections/images.

just my .75 cents.

Clow · October 27, 2003, 04:40:12

=) You need to read a bit slower and get your facts straight. People visit the Astral Everyday. She did not say there were 2 dragons left she said she met 2. The Gold wiped out the Ancients NOT Vise Versa. You need to look some stuff up before you go making accusations. The Demon War of 2012 is way out in the open many people believe it will happen and just as much do not. Also there is a post on energy Forum where you can argue about people being part demon how about not here ok =0=).

Dark Knight · October 27, 2003, 05:23:24

OK, Clow, this is in relation to the "demon war." But it may not involve all the ancient language uses as you may like.

It's often thought that ancient human races would have referred to visiting ET races as demons/angels because that was the verbage of the time period. We've all heard the ancient astronaut stuff....

The only reason I bring this up is because 1) there are such things as ET incarnates, Et souls taking human form, like me (sounds similiar to your "half demon" theory and 2) there is alledgedly an astral war taking place between "forces of light" and "forces of darkness" with regards to the spiritual development and direction of this planet...alledgedly.

I'm a grey ET abductee, I've seen greys and some jet black leathery skinned nasties that some on this forum refer to as "The Dark Ones."

Yes, I'll reiterate, I'm an ET soul in human form. If you're going to ask which race...never paid much attention. What I was wasn't as important as who I was and what I felt I had come here to do, which now seems to be stymied thanks to certain elements I won't mention.

How do I know (or think I know) all this...the hard way, very painfully I might add.

But it all depends on your choice of words. Demon, ET, whatever there may be a clash going on, but what you believe may depend on your choice of words.

Van-Stolin · October 27, 2003, 10:45:50

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Originally posted by JustLikeThePill

jeese. dont any of you guys believe in god? we wont to go the astral when we die, we'll go to heaven or hell. but hey, thats just my opinion.

as far as the demon war, thats the biggest pile of excrement i've ever heard. this really belongs in the tabloids, guys. we should sell this story and make 50 bucks or so. lmao! There is no Demon war and this guy isn't a demon. People sometimes lie to themselves to much that they start to believe the lie. What do i think about 2012? i think something will happen. I dont think any demons will unluck the "gates" with "dragon tears". i dont think there are any gates. Its not like "ok, heres the physical and heres the astral" it flows. We just dont notice the astral unless we do it purposefully or by accident "and sometimes when it happens accidentally people think they have encountered ghosts, demons, been possessed, ect ect".

by the way, you said there are only 2 dragons left, but you also said that 1 of each species was spared, there should be 7. And how could the ancients (less powerful) wipe out the golds (too powerful)? that doesn't make sense.

and i feel stupid for even using the terms "ancients" and "golds" and talking about dragons and demons.

And i think alot of the negs/astral wildlife are just subconious projections/images.

just my .75 cents.

Well you still go to heaven or hell depending, but first you have to cast of self disire and all that and that is what the astral is for after that you go onto higher planes until you get to hevean or hell go read about that in Astral Dynamics.

I said that there was only two dragons left, but I also said that I KNOW OF.

Some Creatures in astral would be only projections of your conciousnuss, but then only you would be able to see them and interact with them if they were only there for you. However there have been others that have seen by lots and the same ones too with the exact same phyical and mental descriptions. I know this because I talk to a dragon that lives in the astral and I didn't know anything about her personaltity until I started talking to her and then I relayed this back to the person that introduced me to her and confirmed it all.

Another thing, you feel stupid for conversing about this. Well then you have one heck of a closed mind, I don't feel that demons are going to come out of any gates either, but that doesn't stop me from learning other peoples views on it.

Clow · October 27, 2003, 13:29:53

I believe in ETs to but demons are a completley different thing. What do you think you were sent here to do?

TheSeeker · October 27, 2003, 14:32:19

....so crucify the ego.. before it's far too late, and leave behind this place so.. negative and blind and cynical...

Logic · October 27, 2003, 19:48:46

And you will come to find that we are all one mind

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