Golden dawn technique

[Havok]

I'm from the north-west of Italy...sorry but I've never heard about Damanhur...[:I]
BTW could you tell me if in the book you scanned there are more explainations of this technique?
Bye

Havok

[Adrian]

Greetings LA FORET MAUVE,

quote:Originally posted by LA FORET MAUVE

i tried it this night and, surprisingly, it gave me the trance  One vision was a place in a desert, i could focus on it with a "without thinking" state of mind...and during less than one second i WAS in this place ! Wow. But my surprise and inexperience forced me to come back...[:O][|)]

And this is an excellent example of how the Astral Locale will work.

Of course, with many people focussing on the same locale, the energies involved will be that much greater.

Speaking of which, shall we progress the Astral Pulse Island locale?

With best regards,

Adrian.

[LA FORET MAUVE]

hmm....better to speak about that in the "locale" thread ! []
I want to agree with the fact that visualising is an everyday practice. As i said before, instead of visualising my body, i visualise a geometric form (a triangle in fact), the first times i could see it in my imagination but since last night i can see it in my "mind's eye". The problem i am facing now is that at a certain point i feel that i have the choice to follow the path of the visions (feel that images can appear at this point of mental state) or follow the technique closely and visualise the place where i want to go...i can't visualise it as well as my triangle...
An interesting point is, although Velikigrizzly said that no trance is required, when i gaze the triangle, my body enters automatiquely in Trance state...effect of visualising or just a reflex my body learned with practice ?
Hehe sorry for my confusing english...[:I]

[veliki grizli]

HAVOK

I think that everything about this technique is clear.Wright about thing that are not so clear to you. Yes maybe there are some other exercises for concetration before you start practise visualisation, but I repeat you must practise every day.
At first maybe it is better to visualise a simple objects like triangle or numbers in yout mind , and after a period of practising you start visalising things connected with this technique.
Try to find this book in library , I write the name of book on previous  page.


LA FORET MAUVE

Something that mystified me befor is the meaning of word visualise.
Tis means to see things like when daydreaming but in order , you see onla what you want to see. When daydreaming pictures comes and goes without any order.

[Adrian]

Greetings LA FORET MAUVE

quote:Originally posted by LA FORET MAUVE

hmm....better to speak about that in the "locale" thread ! []
I want to agree with the fact that visualising is an everyday practice. As i said before, instead of visualising my body, i visualise a geometric form (a triangle in fact), the first times i could see it in my imagination but since last night i can see it in my "mind's eye". The problem i am facing now is that at a certain point i feel that i have the choice to follow the path of the visions (feel that images can appear at this point of mental state) or follow the technique closely and visualise the place where i want to go...i can't visualise it as well as my triangle...
An interesting point is, although Velikigrizzly said that no trance is required, when i gaze the triangle, my body enters automatiquely in Trance state...effect of visualising or just a reflex my body learned with practice ?
Hehe sorry for my confusing english...[:I]

Yes, we can continue this in the Astral Locale thread.

But nevertheless what you are saying is certainly relevant. Focussing on any image, even abstract, will lead you conscious awareness towards the Astral, or specifically away from the physical. At some stage you can phase where you want to go. However, if you maintain your focus on the Astral Locale, that is where you will go. As I said before, the more people doing this the better.

First though we need to finalise API, and that is where we go to the other thread.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[veliki grizli]

Did anybody tried this technique ,have any progress?
Wright your experiences.

[LA FORET MAUVE]

as for now, i was so tired when i went to bed that my practice was a little...well in most of the cases i felt asleep []

but i must say that visualise is now my favorite way to fall in trance and obtain visuals. I do it in the metro ...nobody cares here in Tokyo, because everybody sleeps in the train haha[]

"Wright your experiences"...i like this sentence ! Wright is a member of Pink Floyd lol...the good word is "write", but i do maybe more mistakes than you so don't worry [|)]

[fender1499]

Thought I would post something that I tried yesterday seemed to work pretty good for me, I know that the NEW system is not based off visulization but the great thing about astral work there is no one way to do things, some things work for some and not others so...I was doing my NEW work setting up in bed, and as I was stimulating my feet I started to think a bit about the Golden Dawn body of light technique, as I did this I thought of my double doing the same thing that I was, so as I visualized him, I put myself where he was across the room and finished my NEW work from his perspective, this did 2 things for me, I worked on raising energy and I also worked on my visualization skills, the result was I had stronger visulization of the double as I finished my NEW work up for the day, I dont really see any drawbacks to this? If anyone has an opinion on this, please reply. If you think its a good idea, I found it easier to concentrate on the body of light this way and my mind did not wander because I was working on my NEW also.

[veliki grizli]

LA FORET MAUVE

This technique doues not require trance. You must not get in trance.
When I am more alert I visualise better then in trance state.

[LA FORET MAUVE]

but i can't help it [8D]
...do you really think that the trance will alter the processus ? I doubt that, personnaly...

[fender1499]

when i tried to do the energy work the way that i explained above I was not in a trance either..........

[Murt]

Has this technique died a death, or has anyone got any results with it?

Murt.

[Amadeth]

I just read the whole thread today and am eager to try the technique.
I believe I can visualise very well and that would present little trouble.

However, I think I'm still missing something here...
Does it give astral projection or etheric (real time) projection?
Grizli you said the projection can be more real than the etheric one, but what did you mean by that? As much as I understand you cannot see and hear other people in their physical form, right?
And are my eyes supposed to stay open throughout the whole projection?

[veliki grizli]

quote:Does it give astral projection or etheric (real time) projection?

It can be used for astral and etheric projection: For beginners-- they usually visualise astral double in ther room or-- and when they succeed they find themselves in physical world---but astral double is astral body and it can be used for physical and for astral surroundings.

You must read that text I posted thoroughly, and many of your questions will be answered.

If you find yourselves in Astral surroundings you have to think about or imagine that physical suurroundings is around you and you will find yourself in physical world but you will be able to see astral entities(read the text)-----usually people inagine that hey are in their room and they find themselves there.

You probably ask yourselves if I can do this kind of projestion. I can nor yet, I had no time to practise, but I have read lots of bboks about this technique.

W.e. Butler wrights:

You have to imagine astral matter(blue colour like alchocol that burn--place a drop of alchocol on the table and burn it--you have to try to visualise it)  going outside of you and forming astral double.(after practise you must to take this blue matter back in your body)

You must to locate your center of consciousness in your body wher you feel your "self", usually it is situated behind the toot of the nose, but it can be situated in Solar plexus too.

Soil under your feet is a place where energy from earth flows in your aura-the name of this centre is "earth cente".
When you breath taking a deep breaths, at the same time you pull energy from your "earth centre" and carry it to the place in your body where is centre of your consciousness.
when holding your breath you project etheric energy outside in  the form of blue matter(astral double) you built before and in the same time ride(go) on the flow of force or energy from centre of consciousnes to your astral body.
This flow of energy you created is your silver cord.

People asaully have closed eyes while visualising or imaging

[Ceriel N]

Many of the G.'.D.'. (Golden Dawn) techniques and teachings were released to the public with the Law of Thelema becoming the the core of the Secret Societies. Aleister Crowley is the key individual behind this.

You can find many and more of these 'sacred' and secret text here:

http://www.hermetic.com/

A key Thelemic site:

http://www.thelema.org

And last but not least, the A.'.A.'.s own website (Can you say 'everybody is online' or what? =):

http://www.ordoaa.org

It's taken me about a year's worth of research to come up with these sources, so enjoy! =D

Another order you might want to look into:
Ordo Tempeli Orientalis (Formerly, if I understand correctly, the Knight Templars.)

Hope it interests you as much as it does me. =)

[veliki grizli]

Amadeth

Did you tried this technique?

[Amadeth]

I tried it today and suceeded. This is the first time I projected ever and only thanks to my great visualization abilities.
I wasnt about to project but was only practicing visualization in the morning and havent realized that I projected until I went to school.

I started this morning while still lying on the bed. I visualized myself walking in my room. It was hard at first to imagine that I was walking (vertical) since I was actually lying in bed (horizontal) but after a minute or two the strange feeling dissapeared. Then I tried the living room, bathroom and the kitchen.
All seemed fine. It became a bit harder when I walked out of my house since I didnt know what to expect. I imagined cars passing down the street but couldnt tell if it was real or just an imagination. Then I went few blocks away and stopped when I saw a green old car parked in someone's backyard. I didnt know if I just imagined it or it really was there, but I thought it would be a good idea to check it out when I go to school. On my way back I spotted another old car, but this one was white. After 20 minutes or so I "waked".

When I went to school later that day I went to check for the 2 cars I saw in my visualization. They were both there. Same colors, however the cars werent old. They were both quite new cars (mercedes and opel if I can recall). Also, I remember seeing a man working on my neighbor's house roof in my visualization although it was obvious that there were noone since the roof was complete.
I am not sure why some of those things were opposite than they should've been, but the cars were good enough proof to me.


Sorry for bad english, I was in a bit of hurry [|)]

[veliki grizli]

quote: I tried it today and suceeded

The experience you described was not a projection. Your consciousness probably left in your physical body, but you get information of cars in the street. Read the text on 1st and second page I posted.
It is just first stadium of thes technique.
First stadium is practise of getting information of other places, and secind is making astral body and transfering consciousness to it.

[Murt]

I've been trying this tech. for the last 4 weeks. Ten mins of imagining the body, and about five creating the room. I'm definately getting results, albeit slowly.
The feeling of being in the room, while putting mind into the body, is getting more real, and is getting easier.
I found it difficult at the start, but now I can get into the body, and do the LBRP quite easily.
Still doesn't  feel like true A.P. yet

[Ramiel]

Murt,

It appears that the pages he was hosting have gone. I was wondering if you could find a host to put these back up to, or if you could write down how to perform these techniques?

Thanks,

-Alex

[Murt]

Alex,

Tried to load the pages myself... no problem. Try again, if you still have a problem, get back to me, i copied them.

I have more valuble info on this techn. if you want i will post it.

There's alot more to the body of light method, than meets the eye []

[Ramiel]

I'll try and load them again, but I would be very interested in your extended information.

If its not too much trouble I'd like to read it!

Thanks,

-Alex

[Fat_Turkey]

1st page of this topic and I was already annoyed.

Apparantly in Golden Dawn they don't teach spelling now do they?

~FT

[veliki grizli]

Murt Can you see your physical body, or get true information(object in the room) whan walking in other room.

Keep trying you are on a good way, this technique requires lots of training.

If you have some more informatin of this technique please send me on mail dslunjski@inet.hr . Thanks

I can send these pages that dissapeared on download area, but I have no time now, I will in next few days.

I found some other book that has better explanations of this technique: W.E.Butler--"Apprenticed to magic"

Fat_Turkey Yes they do, but spells are only a small help for conentration and visualisation, when doing changes to astral world , that will effect(cosequence) physical world.

[Murt]

Veliki, Ramiel,
Great to see this thread here.

As far as I am aware the chaldlaean Oracles say,... Stay not in the precipice, with the dross of Matter, for there is a place for thy Image in a realm ever splendid..
This is a reference to the higher, and lower Astral, and the fact that you can rise  'beyond the higher Astral, towards the formless divine fires of the Spiritual realms', using the Body of light.

Although creating the body of light takes time, apparently it is well worth it.. here are some advantages...

1. The body is created with your imagination. Your imagination moulds the 'matter' of the Astral plane into whatever shape you want, so if you create, a body of light, being made up of the 'material' of the astral plane,  can enter those planes, quite easily, and more freely.
Also alter your personal circumstances, including finantial, with MUCH more power.
2.You can use it as a watcher, by sending it to a place, where it will watch and record what is going on, and report the info. back
3. It can also be used to guard something.
4. it is possible to transfer, disease to the body, and then treat illness.
5. it is possible to rebuild in your imagination, your body of light as you were when you were younger. And by a system of transference,
change back your physical body, into the body of light. A sort of reverse process, but this takes a great deal of advance knowledge and training.
6.As all things have a counterpart, on the planes, you can go, in your body of light , to the counterparts, and merge with them, and then control them.
With again, alot more power, for instance, merge with a negative organisaton, and control it's direction.
These are only the tip of the iceberg.
According to Blavatsky it is the Mayavi-rupa, the thought or dream body, the sheath of the mind and memory and emotion, known and named in Theurgy, as the Body of Light.
Hermes said about it- "thou shalt separate the fine from the gross, acting with great sagacity!"

I expected it to be slow work, so I'm not expecting much very soon, but it is building up very slowly. What I'm doing is getting an old tape cassette, marking it side A, and B, then fliping it about, so I don't know which side is which, and putting it behind a clock, on table, then using the body to test which side is facing up. So far no success yet, but it's early days.

What is happening is that it was hard to get into the body, and see, but although i can't see very well, my attention is not wandering, and it is slowly becoming more real.
I am performing the LBRP while in the body, for two reasons, one for protection, and they say you must train the body, to move, and function, just like a baby learning to co-ordinate for the first time.
The LBRP, uses actions, and words. Also the LBRP, replaces all the gross matter of the Physical, with higher more subtle matter, with is more similar to the planes, hence easier.
If your body is very dense, or heavy you will find it hard to get out.
It becomes dense over time, with negative energy, hence alot of younger people project- easily.
This is where the phrase, He/she is very dense, Or He/She are very thick... a reference to the fact that a person who is quite negative, and thus cut off from higher guidence, ect. These people seem untelligent, because they are negative and are literaly 'thick'.

I am walking slowly around the room, to create it in the astral, as well.

Also you can recite an invocation to help ' I tread upon high !'
' I tread upon the firmament of Nu !' ' I raise a flashing flame with the lightening of mine eye, ever rushing onwards in the splendour of the daily glorified Ra giving my life to the dwellers of Earth !' 'I rise, I rise, like a hawk of Gold !'
The first two are supposed to be good.

I have more info, and I'll put it up tomorrow.