Death

[waterfall]

quote:Originally posted by Daniel:
I have always been taught, always believed and have come to know that negative beings must identify themesleves....has this been your expereince as well?

fides quaerens intellectum

Yes, absolutely... but they don't always want to offer the information freely.
namaste
waterfall

[chohan]

quote:Originally posted by Frank:

Waterfall...

Basically, you said in your posts that you did "soul retrieval" work. This sparked off my interest because I recently met an entity who took me to a large garden full of children who had been "retrieved". So my curiousity has been doubly ignited.

Also, it sparks off questions such as whereabouts on the Astral do you retrieve these entities from, and where do you take them? Who are you "working for"? How did you get recruited? How do you know which ones to retrieve? Do you work from some kind of list or do you project and get directed somehow?

I'm thinking also, you must have to navigate with a very high degree of accuracy; and the art of navigating to specific places is something I am avidly working on, so I'd be grateful for any hints and tips.

Sorry for all the questions, but if you could do your best to fill me in, in layman's terms (if at all possible) as I am not well versed in mystical terminology.

Yours,
Frank

Frank - I'm quite sure I'm not waterfall but you sound so earnest in your questions so I hope you don't mind. I think if you borrowed or purchased Robert Monroes 2nd book "Far Journey" and 3rd book "Ultimate Journey"
you would not be wasting your reading time. A rough map of the astral is presented in the second book and since you are becoming more adept at navigation this might prove beneficial to you. His 3rd book goes into some detail on "The Park" which is on a high region of the astral or from his perception "focus 27". Since you are quite familiar with focus 10 and mind awake/body asleep not to mention conscious obe it would give you good basic groundwork and answer your questions about who you retreive, who you work for, direction, the park, etc. Also, the knowledge presented in those 2 books has no religious overtones at all, he seems to approach the whole thing like an objective un-attached scientist or a curious explorer which I perceive you may relate to. Speaking just for myself, I would love to see you locate that park or reception center he speaks of. That garden with children sounds pretty close. I believe the park is the hub of this somewhat vast reception station so to speak. Keep us posted.

My best to you on your journey.

peace,
cho

[PeacefulWarrior]

I am firmly of the belief that there are indeed those people who, after dying, simpyl do not realize it.  I think deep down somewhere they know, but they don't want to face it.  Usually it doesn't last too long, speaking of them not realizing they are "dead" because really they are not dead, they have simply sloughed off (for lack of a better term) their physical body.

THen there are those who think, "Wow, I can do whatever I want and not get in trouble".  For example, the sex fiend who hangs around the real time zone exposing himself and watching others have sex...although he cannot fulfill his unchecked sexual desires due to the lack of a physical body, he will hang around until he can overcome the problem(s) that he should have overcome while he was still alive in the phsyical.

Others who have lived lives in which they have gotten in touch with their spiritual nature and have developed self control will move on and continue to progress.... for whatever level of intelligence and enlightenment we attain in this life will remain with us in the life to come.  I think it's failry straightforward.

fides quaerens intellectum

[Frank]

Thank you, Cho, your perception is spot on.

About 6 weeks ago I read Ultimate Journey for the first time and I was amazed at how my Astral experiences matched those of Monroe. Particularly in the way Monroe looks at the Astral from an objective, more scientific viewpoint. Plus, there's no talk of dungeons and dragons, demons or gods. Which I believe is no coincidence to the fact that we both are only too aware of the effects of releasing emotional energy on the Astral.  

There was one *major* difference, however, which was the sheer extent to which Monroe had travelled. It was kinda depressing realising that, even after having had hundreds of Astral adventures, I had just scratched the surface. But there were so many parallels in our work, it brought out a terrific new sense of Astral excitement. As it happened, reading the book became a *major* turning point. To the extent where I now look at the Astral in a totally different light.

I was already working on developing a more controlled projection process, and became thoroughly fascinated by Monroe's concept of "phasing in" to the Astral. Compared to what used to be my "normal" projection process, i.e. shooting off at high-speed and hoping to land somewhere of interest, Monroe's technique seemed like the ultimate in accuracy and control.

Now, after 6-weeks of daily practice, I feel I am finally beginning to get somewhere, navigation-wise. The other morning I'm almost certain I travelled to a place that I've been to before. Which was rather fascinating. But I'll have to go there again another few times to make absolutely certain it really is the same area.

Thanks again for your pointers.

Yours,
Frank


     

[waterfall]

quote:Originally posted by PeacefulWarrior:
I am firmly of the belief that there are indeed those people who, after dying, simpyl do not realize it.  I think deep down somewhere they know, but they don't want to face it.  Usually it doesn't last too long, speaking of them not realizing they are "dead" because really they are not dead, they have simply sloughed off (for lack of a better term) their physical body.

THen there are those who think, "Wow, I can do whatever I want and not get in trouble".  For example, the sex fiend who hangs around the real time zone exposing himself and watching others have sex...although he cannot fulfill his unchecked sexual desires due to the lack of a physical body, he will hang around until he can overcome the problem(s) that he should have overcome while he was still alive in the phsyical.

Others who have lived lives in which they have gotten in touch with their spiritual nature and have developed self control will move on and continue to progress.... for whatever level of intelligence and enlightenment we attain in this life will remain with us in the life to come.  I think it's failry straightforward.

fides quaerens intellectum

Hello peacefulwarrior,
After thinking about this for a while I understand where I am getting bunged up in my thinking Trying to integrate my own near death experiences and pondering about the process of death and transition... What I was feeling is that after you have been through the tunnel or traveled to the light and crossed over to the other side there is a process. During this process and after this process I don't think that you can truely know that you are still alive. You can deny the fact that you have crossed and create your own little *hell*...as you have said.
I have come across and done retrival work on what you might call earth bound spirits. They have ignored the call from the light and pushed it away...staying in this realm. ..but it seems that once we get them to go to the light and get on with their souls life, so to speak. They don't come back as confused or nasty..they may come back to guide others having been enlightened or even to say thankyou.
love and light
waterfall

[PeacefulWarrior]

Waterfall,

Hello!  Well, one things is for sure, until we actually die none of us here will know EXACTLY how it is/feels, etc.  After having read your posts I think highly of you and I respect all of your ideas and experiences, I think you have a great deal of knowledge and are a very open minded and truthul person.

Regarding death, I am taught by those whom I regard as prophets that all travel to the light eventually, and then even after that they are once again placed behind a veil and either choose progression or create their own personal hell...not much different than this life really.

Anyway, this thread is one of the of the most interesting in a long time!

-Dan

fides quaerens intellectum

[Alex]

Hi everybody,

Lately I was wondering upon the matter of death...
I'm young, healthy and my thinking of it has nothing to do with the fear of death...

But I don't understand one thing and I hope someone here will be able to enlighten me in this matter.

Robert describes death as the final OBE. But when you OBE (eg. everynight's OBEs) you have problems with remembering it. Everyone knws that they take place, but still the _mind_ when OBEing is on a different level of existing during this phenomena. And that causes problems when reintegrating - physical level of mind has a lot of problems with the mind-split and it appears (at least most of the time with average person) that we cannot recall the memory from the OBE.

So my question is - what level is the consciousness and mind at when we encounter death?
Because if it won't be the "normal", physical level (that we are used to), than our physical consciousness will not be existing. So we'll be trapped in a 'dream'. Our physical mind will be no more. So maybe we won't be existing there as ourselves, but as the other (a bit more divine) part of ourselves? If it's true, than it is true also, that we just cease to exist after death (in a way that we used to).

And there's yet anoter question. I quess that when we die because of an accident, etc., we have the feeling that we're dead and we will be able to go further. But what happens when we die at sleep...? It will be just a never-ending dream for us. Or maybe even we will consider our new environment as our new reality. I hope some of you watched the movie 'What dreams may come'. If yes, you'll know what I mean

hope someone wil help me in this matter, 'cause it's troubling me all the time. Again, it's not my fear of death that causes that thinking - it's just my curiosity. I've got my own theory at this, but I just want to know what is the others' opinion on it.

Take care,
Alex

Human life is full of magic, one only needs to spot it.

[Pauli2]

Waterfall, give me some tips because I regularly come across entities on the lower regions that died long ago that don't realise it.

Many, I have found, have body-parts missing, etc., and are still writhing in agony after suffering the most horrendous death.

It's the children, especially, I have a "problem" with. Not so much the adults. I've tried "communicating" so many times and all I get is a blank stare, I'm afraid.

What's the secret?

Yours,
Frank

Send PUL.

[Astral316]

Send PUL.

Now there's an answer worth waiting a decade for. I hope Frank appreciates it.

[Lexy]

holy resurrection 

[Xanth]

Let's please stop with the 9+ year old thread bumping please. 

The point of me adding the links to these threads in my PDF was so that you could "read" the threads in their entirety and gleam some other helpful advice from the other many people who posted in them, and not just over-analyze Franks posts.