My wife committed suicide. How to find her?

[TheWanderer]

Oh come on, "experts"?  You're at the stage that you will believe anything to see your wife one more time, and I can't blame you.  Your wife wasn't attached to a negative entity, negative entities only exist in the Astral and the most that they can do is scare projectors back into their bodies.

Your wife may have just of had a weak/unstable mind (energy imbalance), and was just too rash in general to think things through.  If you are a Christian, then you know how the Bible refers to suicide.  You wouldn't be seeing your wife on the other side.  If you're not a Christian, I suggest enrolling in mysticweb.org, and talking to much more experienced people with the Astral and life in general, and they can tell you what they have found (through their own experiences) happens when suicide occurs.

Hope that helps at all.

[cinnabardk]

I recently described an experience in the topic "Physical and astral presence at the same time" where I met a person whom I had longed to meet again. In my case, it was enough to simply WANT to meet that person. That I have no, or little fear, and have had some OBE experiences before that encounter are probably contributing factors.

I see that you live in Europe, have you read "Astral Dynamics" by Robert Bruce ?. You can do a price search on www.addall.com (personally I use WHSmith/bookshop.co.uk). I also recommend the books by Robert Monroe (Ultimate Journey, etc.). Though you could very well have your first OBE just by trying the methods mentioned on this website, you will be able to gain a much more comprehensive understanding of the out-of-body environment by reading these books.

[xander]

quote:Originally posted by TheWanderer

  negative entities only exist in the Astral and the most that they can do is scare projectors back into their bodies.

The experience of myself and countless others disagree. I accept that you have a differemt opinion than most and would suggest you read up on subjects of supernatural phenomena, demonic posession, etc.

Xander

[TheWanderer]

Look, obviously I'm familiar with demonic possession and the like.  This isn't a case of that, other-wise I doubt this lady would have been wanted by any man, since she would have been a nutcase.  Why do you people always have to pass everything off as supernatural?

And, you can sort of still see your wife, you can see her personality in the Astral.  Not her soul or spirit, but her personality.  That is what ghosts are, personalities of individuals that aren't ready to move on.  Your personality is acquired through one life, and lasts for only one life (whereas your next life, you will acquire your next personality, which is completely based on the physical world around you and how you interact with that environment).  It lasts a while longer after you pass away, before it fades away into oblivion.

While you can interact with your wife's personality, and as real as she might look in the Astral, you aren't truly interacting with your wife.  Mark Pritchard has talked about this in his lessons, and is light years ahead of any of you as far as progress is concerned.  Don't believe me?  Enroll at mysticweb.org and prove it to yourself.

-- TheWanderer

[Ramiel]

Generally suicide is frowned upon, however I think its possible that this was a lesson to see of kamil's soul could handle his life partner killing herself.

Its very possible kamil has had a series of suicides in past lives, and this is one way that his Guide and Council is attempting to curb this. If he is able to live through his life without resorting to suicide, even after the loss of a loved one, then this lesson may have finally been learnt.

Thats just the intuition thats come to mind in regards to this specific case. Dont argue with me, its just what I'm feeling.

[TheWanderer]

Kill this person to see if this person kills himself.  OK...

I'm not arguing with you, and in some way, shape or form you could actually be right, but I believe it to be highly unlikely.

[xander]

quote:Originally posted by TheWanderer

Look, obviously I'm familiar with demonic possession and the like.

?? What evidence have you provided for this[?][?][?][?]

Your last post stated something which is disproven by the experience of others. Besides neg interaction is different than demonic posession.

Xander

[cinnabardk]

To Kamil, I am sorry to have gone a bit off-topic with this post, when what is (or should) really be of concern, is your topic. My apologies.

TheWanderer:
I don't know what game you are playing (if you are playing, that is). But I find it a bit odd that you as a new member have mentioned mysticweb.org in 5 of your 7 posts (and it isn't part of your signature). I realize that there are people trying to promote what they believe is right, and I don't blame them, if they had some experiences which made them believe so.

quote:Originally posted by TheWanderer
Mark Pritchard has talked about this in his lessons, and is light years ahead of any of you as far as progress is concerned. Don't believe me? Enroll at mysticweb.org and prove it to yourself.

quote:from http://www.mysticweb.org/phps/netclasses/
The teachings given throughout the courses on Mysticweb come from VM Beelzebub's own experience.

Have you ever opened a book on black magic ?, if so you will know what "Beelzebub" is. Whoever needs to call himself anything to do with "beelzebub", whether a real entity or not, is in my mind discredited by his name.

TheWanderer, if you have any disagreements, I would very much appreciate that you make your own topic.

I have had what I can only describe as a fake memory implanted some years ago. Because I believed this fake memory, I almost killed myself. It took me some time to come to my senses, and realize that what I thought was a real memory, was not. Whether it was  caused by a neg, or not, I do not know.

I wish you better, Kamil.

[Arc]

beezlebub is a high ranking demon of some sorts, right?

[xander]

quote:Originally posted by Arc

beezlebub is a high ranking demon of some sorts, right?

He is Lord of the things of the air. One should be careful when communing with demons. TRUST me on this[8D]

Xander[}:)]

[Tenacious]

quote:Originally posted by TheWanderer

Oh come on, "experts"?  You're at the stage that you will believe anything to see your wife one more time, and I can't blame you.

First off I'd like to start off by saying that this man has had a very tramatic experience, and your "pfft" attitude is probably not going to help at all.  The reason that the Astral Pulse is here is to help other without making them feel like they are completly wrong, in every way shape and form.  I understand your reasoning, but common, Can't you atleast word your statement a little more wisely?

quote: Originally Posted By TheWanderer

Kill this person to see if this person kills himself. OK...

I'm not arguing with you, and in some way, shape or form you could actually be right, but I believe it to be highly unlikely.

Again I have to stress that you feel you are an expert and are degrading the members here.  I'm sorry, but even trained Phd's can 't answer everything correctly.


Lastly-

I'm sorry to hear about your wife kamil.  I find that my loved ones await for me on the Astral plane, as my Grandfather has spoken to me in my dreams lately.  Very Vivid and exciting.  So to answer your question, Yes, you can always find what you're looking for. []

[beavis]

Kamil, continue looking for her in your dreams. Most dreams are at least partially in astral. Since you think about her frequently, it should be easy to dream about her.

When i dream, and she comes to me i feel like nothing happened

Thats because dreams are a weak version of astral travel. Learn to astral project and it will become more real.

[Euphoric Sunrise]

Kamil, if you believe it is possible to find her then i say go for it. I believe it is possible for you to find her. I have no experience with it so i don't know if there's a certain way it works, but i would guess you just focus on her while attempting to get out of your body and you will be taken to her. OR perhaps once you are out you can call to her. Perhaps somebody else can help me with this part?
The Wanderer seems to think he/she KNOWS the truth. Nobody knows anything for sure. Don't let others stop you because they seem knowledgable and experienced.

The Wanderer, i don't mean to offend you, but you did seem to state your views as solid facts, which they are not.

[seth817]

Kamil, there are some people who do retrievels maybe you could have some one retrieve your wife. The monroe institute has a program called the lifeline program and what they do is retrieve people who have died and might not know they are dead. So they go out of their bodies and find the person let them know they are dead and bring them to a higher level. Especially with suicides people can get stuck in lower dimensions and not know they are dead so it might be a good way to help your wife out.  I think you can also learn how to do it your self.

There is a guy named Bruce Moen who is the auther of four books. I read his books and he has done allot of lifeline retrievls, below I put his  website. Im sure if you explore theese resourses you can find someone to help you out.



Bruce moen's website: http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com/

He has a message board on his website so can you post messages there.

The name of his first book is Voyages Into The Unknown; by  Bruce Moen.

If you want to see the lifeline program page at the Monroe institute website then here is the link:
http://www.monroeinstitute.org/programs/lifeline.html

Good luck.

[kamil]

Thank You very much.

I know Monroe Inst. - Im going to participate in Gateway, and then in the Lifeline program. Bruce Moen is also known to me, just like Robert Bruce.

But, day by day i see that nobody could help me - i see only advices. And it is OK, because i almost know - that only person who is able to help me it me myself...

Thank You very much once again.
Kamil

[seth817]

Hi another thing you might just want to look into is cutting the ties that bind by Phyllis Krystal. It is sort of a meditation that can help you cut attachments that you have to people. Now I don't know if that is something you would want or if it is right for you but I will just leave that up to you.

[TheWanderer]

My friend, don't cite the site if you're not going to take the lessons to understand why he's called VM Beelzebub.  He describes this in detail in his course, and how it isn't what you think, just the old human (ignorant) perception.

What I'm saying aren't facts, true, but they may be.  Meanwhile, tons of people lose their family, I've lost family as well.  I'm sure that your wife doesn't want you wallowing in misery, so move on just like everyone else does.  Don't forget her, but live life to the fullest, because for all you know this might be the only life that we have.  It's not your fault that she is dead, and even if you did find a way to somehow communicate with her, it will NOT bring her back.  In fact, it will probably only make the hole in the heart that was created by her loss even bigger by being constantly reminded of her, yet never being able to have her in your life again.

PS - I am just a student from Mysticweb, and I just really encourage those who want to improve themselves to enroll there, it's well worth it.

[cinnabardk]

Kamil:
It's good to hear from you. Best of luck to you in your endeavour.

TheWanderer:
If you have had some good experiences with mysticweb.org, why don't you tell us (more) about them in your own topic ?

I am not going to say anything more, since this is not the topic to do it.

[Makaveli]

I took the lessons and would recommend against mystic web even though some of their projection techniques can be useful.  It's too much like a cult, when I was there most of the people were extremely dogmatic about the teachings and they would always discourage going to any other source on projection and spiritual stuff plus they had a lot of censorship.

[xander]

quote:Originally posted by TheWanderer

My friend, don't cite the site if you're not going to take the lessons to understand why he's called VM Beelzebub.  He describes this in detail in his course, and how it isn't what you think, just the old human (ignorant) perception.

PS - I am just a student from Mysticweb, and I just really encourage those who want to improve themselves to enroll there, it's well worth it.

Indeed you are looking for new recruits for your cult. Perchance I can interest you in some cheap kool-aid. As for VM Beelzebum, I highly doubt he's anymore than a million other guru wannabees.

Xander

[MJ-12]

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[kamil]

Well. Thank You. I dont know what to think.

Regards
Kamil

[Rob]

Hey Kamil, I am so sorry to hear of your loss.

There are a few ways I know of which might work to get in touch with her:

The first is a simple telepathic connection, preferably from deep trance. Use your mind to send out a call to her as loud as you can, then relax and try and establish contact.

Second requires you to learn OBE, which is perhaps where your biggest hope lies since you actually want to interact with her like she was physical. There is a training guide on OBE on the mother site www.astralpulse.com - and if you find that good but want to know more the book is obviously around. Before, or after you get out, again call her telepathically to you. Or perhaps use the virtual reality creation thingy with a mirror and cut out picture.

Third would be to use dreams, if you can get lucid you might be able be able to do the above like in an OBE. But dreams are more fickle, so IMHO you might want to work towards OBE at the same time as this. It seems that to get the best results you will need to teach yourself to become lucid - reality checks, affirmations, etc.

Fourth - and I am only putting this in for completeness, I dont expect or advise this - is to get in touch with a medium.

I'm guessing you'll have the will power to get OOB, that shouldn't be a problem, so make sure you spend a lot of time working on relaxation.

I really hope this helps, I dont think I can add too much more that you cant find elsewhere so.....good luck!!

OOoh except one unrelated point - people who have passed on seem to appreciate our prayers......

much love
Rob

ps to everyone: avoid mysticweb like the plague. Trust me! But I'm not interested in a discussion of this point, especially not from anyone within their fold.

[Kerrblur]

Hey Kamil, I am sorry this is so long

    Hey, I got to say something that most people might take sides on.  Rather your a christian or a wahtever from that website.  I have some serious opinions about your wife.  My whole life, I've never had "natural" telepathy, telekinesis, AP skills, blah blah blah.  But I ALWAYS always (depending on who I was around)  Saw random people in houses, well when I was a kid, I thought them as Random people, my parents knew about it, my father's mom which is my grandma told me bout it when I was 9 whom had the same special gift.  but that was rather worthless speaking, but lol a ice breaker at that.

 Anyway until about 4 years ago, more and more encounters of what I always said as "ghosts" would just appear and talk, was terrifying, but I read and soon met the author of this book titled, "Talking to Heaven" by James Van Praagh.  I read his other books and went to his conventions and one of his cruises.  I know you may not posess the things I learned but understand this, Suicide is very hard topic but in a way, has only 2 easy sides.  when they say if your a "christian" then you will never see her again.  but how can that be!? specially if your wife was also very beautiful, smart, had everything going for her, but what if the true criminal was due to mental illness or some kind of factors of self doubt and fear which affected her actions.

 Now I do know when someone just commits suicide of arrogant reasons like "not going to jail" "Cant live without her" ect. that is such a sin! you will suffer and watch that suicide like a broadway play for as long as you were expected to live on this earth and know what you did to yourself and the people who loved you.

 Now theres the other side, people can not understand completely whats happening, due to mental illness, your wife for example, you can CAN reach her through telepathic connections, through Astral Projection, simple mind development exercises, God knows if it was due to mental illness.  They pass to the spirit world to be helped by the higher beings, I'm not saying this is right, i am sorry.  But I promise you that you will see her, "talking to heaven," by James Van Praagh will be a great start, he taught me alot of information that I questioned!  James is also a full blown christian []

 Another thing your wife might be having a hard time excepting what she had done and may feel you wont forgive her, or cannot rest til you get rid of some doubts and mindless thoughts you may have of your own, I know that sounds ridiculous but, she knows your emotions, your thoughts, so therefore, you must except what has happened, and know god needed her for a reason, It was planned before she was even born, i know you may have excepted it but, if she is trying to reach you, there something she HAS to reach to you for before she goes on. if you keep what happened in mind, denial, blaming yourself, self-doubt, your success in your life will be affected along with emotions, everything []!

 Like you think you cannot live without her, or your just drained to go to work/school from what has happened, remember your wife wants the best for you. Expectancy of failure is doubt of success. Doubt of success leads to a fear of attempting. Countless people have deprived themselves of great achievement simply by not attempting the thing that could have been achieved due to fear.(Dr. Gene Emmet Clark).  So try and just BELIEVE, you will meet her on some sort of level, she has a message, just keep trying.

[TheWanderer]

Hey hey, let's just take it easy there fella.  Number one, it's not as if Mysticweb brainwashes you into thinking they're only right, you obviously still have your free will intact.  However, this is the comparison between Astral Pulse and Mysticweb that I derive:

Astral Pulse = a bunch of typical people that try to improve themselves for the sake of thinking it's 'cool' to have mental powers, AP, and the like (fair enough, I agree, it is cool).

Mystic Web = a bunch of people intent on trying to improve themselves to become better people first and foremost, then letting the latter come after.

You say there is heavy censorship in the forum?  I've been posting in those forums for a good year, and the only people that I've seen censored were irate people who had no place posting in the first place.  Yes, you can almost say it's cult-like, but then you'd quickly take that back when you began to research what real cults are about.  It's just a community, no different than this one -- you just don't like the fact that a man that claims to be very experienced in the other realms tells you information as if it were facts.  Well, once again, nobody said you have to believe it, however, there is a lot that you can learn other than that.  If Mysticweb had a motto, it would be "Here's the tools, now go see if we're wrong".

They don't encourage you to accept what they say for face-value, they merely provide you with the tools to find out for yourself.

Ya, that's a cult alright.  Back to DBZ land for you.

PS - As for me being callous, who the hell do you think you are?  You don't know this guy, you don't know if he's BS'ing you, you don't know ANYTHING about him.  Why don't you start caring about people in your own damned REAL LIFE community that you SEE dead on the news (yet I'm sure you just flip the channel there)?!  But oh, look at you "pour your heart" out for someone that may be full of sh*t that you will never meet in your life.  You make me sick.

Kamil, if you're not making up a story for the hell of it, then I do feel sorrow for you.  But, just because we're communicating through digital particles of information, it doesn't mean that I have any more of a link or friendship with you than I have with the old couple that was just murdered downtown, in fact, I have less since I can at least put faces to that poor old couple.