What do religions or you say about homosexuality?

[onefromsomewhereelse]

Gand,

I'm not concerned about cancer.....that doesn' mean it isn't real.  Perhaps you should be more concerned about the things of the Lord.

"Every knee shall bow"

[xander]

quote:Originally posted by onefromsomewhereelse

Gand,

I'm not concerned about cancer.....that doesn' mean it isn't real.  Perhaps you should be more concerned about the things of the Lord.

"Every knee shall bow"

Your Christ says that no one is fit to JUDGE, cept GOD. Thus since you choose to judge others and do not even look at your own behavior you are committing sin. Thus according to your own rantings YOU SHALL BURN IN HELL![}:)][}:)][][}:)]

Xander

P.S. when you say every knee shall bow, does it mean your "god" likes BJ's?

[beavis]

I dont know about you, but I'd rather touch a penis than a turd. So what's the big deal with touching a penis to an anus instead of a turd?

[xander]

quote:Originally posted by beavis

I dont know about you, but I'd rather touch a penis than a turd. So what's the big deal with touching a penis to an anus instead of a turd?

Cuz anus's are where turd's come from and from a mythological perspective, the penis to anus is similar to the snake that eats it's own tail, the beginning/end that has no beginning/end.

Either that or the xian homophobes are trying to make themselves feel better for having that scat fetish eating away at their conscious.

Xander

[beavis]

Cuz anus's are where turd's come from

Mothers are where penises come from (and the rest of the baby). Does that mean its ok to put a penis there, but not a turd? I dont think she'd like either.

[xander]

quote:Originally posted by beavis

Cuz anus's are where turd's come from

Mothers are where penises come from (and the rest of the baby). Does that mean its ok to put a penis there, but not a turd? I dont think she'd like either.

I think you're confusing anus with vaginal orafice.

Xander

[beavis]

Humans have invented a rediculous system. Only certain things can go in certain holes and only in certain directions. For example, nobody cares if a turd exits an anus, but they'll damn you with hellfire if a turd enters your anus. A penis can go in a vagina but not an anus or a nose (if it were really small, ask George Bush about his). Its sometimes ok to stick a finger in a nose, and less often ok in an anus. Most sex toys are also taboo. Why do people care what other people stick in other peoples' holes?

[Gandalf]

Gand,

I'm not concerned about cancer.....that doesn' mean it isn't real. Perhaps you should be more concerned about the things of the Lord.


Sorry, your 'Lord', and no I dont happen to swallow all that rhetoric that depicts Jesus in the style of a Roman emperor, where the english word 'lord' is a translation from the Latin 'Dominus', a word incidently also used the by the rulers of the later Christian Roman empire. Christianity was transformed by the adoption of it as part of the Roman state, where we get all this 'bow the knee' bovine excrement.


"Every knee shall bow"


'Nuff said'

Douglas

[Mustardseed]

Hi Douglas
I have been reading the thread and wondered if it is a bit off topic to start another "christianity pisses me off and is bovine excrement" flaming session.? The one starting it asking: What do religions or you say about Homosexuality. This is the beef of the matter. I realise you are not in agreement with very much the Bible says, and I do not blame you much seeing how Christians in the fundementalist category have used it to elevate themselves and put others down in a very selfrighteous manner. However they are not the only voice of Christianity.

IMO it seems pretty clear that Homosexuality in the old testament was a pretty bad thing, a rebellion against Gods way and obviously if one chooses to believe a literal interpretation, it is enevitable that this would influence such a believers opinion, when they would try to figure out Gods position!!!

The New testament is harder to figure out. While on one hand there are the obvious mentions of Gods wrath in Romans 2, this seems to be a reiteration of the old testament in Pauls words. That taken into consideration and Pauls general attitude of almost "anti sex" or death to the flesh, one wonders. ?? I heard once some gays quoting John saying that he was gay "laying on Jesus breast" but I doubt that. It is obvious though if one reads the whole New Testament and considers the scriptures over all that the "sin" of Homosexuality if there is such a thing, is no worse than adultery, and substance abuse and seemingly way less important to God than the sins of the spirit. i.e. Pride selfrighteousness and judgementalism, and a lack of faith on God and even rebellion.

Whether God considers it "good or bad" is actually in a way quite unimportant. We have free will and the ones choosing this lifestyle will do so wheather they believe they are in "gods will" or not. There might also be some personal considerations in the equation and likes and dislikes, but the attitude of looking down on the Homosexual as an inferiour person, sinful or whatever is entirely unsupportable seen in the light of scriptures. We should not judge our brothers!!!There is no if and buts about that.

I have had many good friends who were gays, my wifes brother was gay and died of aids a few years back. He was a very dear friend but though he was not a Christian he was in his own words quite troubled by the lifestyle he and his friends were living and felt they sort of "did it to themselves" ? We never touched on what the Bible says, he knew it well, and I did not see the need.

The question in the thread is interesting though. I personally would like to ask what people think of the average single gay lifestyle as opposed to the hetero, in terms of spiritual values. Is there a difference and if so what is it.

Regareds Mustardseed

[Gandalf]

Hi Douglas
I have been reading the thread and wondered if it is a bit off topic to start another "christianity pisses me off and is bovine excrement" flaming session.?

Not really, in case you hadnt noticed the fundis were on the attack again, which was inevitable as this is one of their favourite topics.


The question in the thread is interesting though. I personally would like to ask what people think of the average single gay lifestyle as opposed to the hetero, in terms of spiritual values. Is there a difference and if so what is it.


The problem here is with the term 'average':
There is no 'spiritual' difference between hetero and homo, again as anthropologists keep having to remind everyone about characteristics between racial groups and also human 'traits' between different groups (although no-one bothers to listen):

'The differences WITHIN groups are invariably greater than the differences BETWEEN groups.'

Therefore you get some gay people who are very interested in spirituality and you get many others who are as shallow as the day is long.

However, the same can be applied to straight people as well.

I heard one poster talk about how 'shallow' and sex obsessed the gay community was and how 'all their relationships are based on lust and physical attraction.

The thing is, if this person had bothered to observe what goes on in 'straight' bars and clubs on an average Saturday night he would find exactly the same thing.

Also, there is a more fundamental mistake. When he refers to the 'gay scene' he is only referring to that certain proportion of the young gay population who naturally are out looking for a good time and most likely a bit of action, which is exactly what most young straight people are looking for when they hit the town on a Saturday night as well, its just a facet of being young.

Actually, there are many gay people who are not into the 'scene' as it were, many of whom are older and have grown out of the 'single scene', or others who were never into it, they are into other 'scenes'... but again, there is no difference here to straight life.

You might therefore wish to criticise the actions of the young in general, (although the young have always enjoyed a good time so I don't see any sign of that stopping, nor would I want it to), but this cannot be used as some kind of method to single out the gay community specifically, that would be hypocrisy, as you think it perfectly all right or 'less sinful' for young straight people to act the same way.

So in sum, yes the single gay scene can be shallow and sex obsessed but so is the young single straight scene, I know, I used to be a part of it but I've grown out of that stage now and cant really stand the notion of going out 'on the pull', not because 'its wrong' as I don't think it is, its just the biological drive tends to settle down as you get older........ ah, the passions of youth!


Douglas

[exothen]

Gandalf,

quote:To Exothen_ Chief bible Thumper:

Stop it, you're making me blush.[:I]

quote:What is the definition of 'unnatural'.
Something which doesnt nececerelly fulfil its biological function?
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Where is your evidence that this is 'wrong'? What do you mean by wrong?

Unnatural...hmmm...maybe that which goes against nature or is not of nature. That which is not natural. Wrong would be that which ought not to be, which is supported by the obvious 'unnaturalness' of homosexuality. Something which is morally wrong.

quote:Some animals exibit 'gayness' on occasion. Are they 'wrong'?

No. Animals are incapable of making moral choices, but humans should know better.

quote:Are 'Gay genes' are a 'biological defect' or not?

There are no such things as 'gay genes.' At least, none have been found.

quote:Therfor, if you happen to be born with this orientation then there is nothing wrong with following it. There is no 'danger to society' as some alarmists have slavered, since the proportion of Gay people in any given society will alaways be in the minority.

That's a mighty big 'if' Gandalf. As it stands now, it seems to be choice that determines if one is gay. Any biological predisposition
remains to be seen, if there is any at all, although I won't rule out the possibility it may exist. But biology as stands right now, is against the notion of being born gay.

quote:The 'moral' objections in the bible are simply based on prejudice and ignorance of anyone who is different... nothing new there.

No, they are based on what God has said and on the purposeful design of the human body.

What is scary is that people just accept this and are incapable of seeing any moral wrongness with this behaviour. Kind of like the recent story of the cannabalistic German who claims he did nothing wrong.

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quote:Not really, in case you hadnt noticed the fundis were on the attack again, which was inevitable as this is one of their favourite topics.

Perhaps you missed your post on page two where you started going against the Christian position. Or where I merely stated my position, was 'attacked' and have merely defended my position ever since. You seem to like to start arguments, particularly against Christian beliefs, and then blame others for them, particularly Christians.

[abcdefghijklmno]

I think it is quite disgusting. I do not know how people can be that way! It makes me sick! I'd rather be dead than to be  a homosexual. that is my opinion of homosexuality. I also think all homosexuals will be damned in the depths of hell.

[xander]

quote:Originally posted by abcdefghijklmno

I think it is quite disgusting. I do not know how people can be that way! It makes me sick! I'd rather be dead than to be  a homosexual. that is my opinion of homosexuality. I also think all homosexuals will be damned in the depths of hell.

Go away you ignorant troll!!

Xander

[beavis]

abcdef... (what an original name!) It makes me sick!

Thats what you get for not wearing a condom! You have to stop having sex. Dont spread your herpes.

[kakkarot]

the topic is asking for opinions people. don't bash peoples' opinions. they were asked for, this is not a debate nor a "is it right or wrong to be homosexual" thread. it is asking for opinions, which abcdefghijklmno gave, though it may have been a bit rude it was still his/her opinion.

~kakkarot

[xander]

quote:Originally posted by kakkarot

the topic is asking for opinions people. don't bash peoples' opinions. they were asked for, this is not a debate nor a "is it right or wrong to be homosexual" thread. it is asking for opinions, which abcdefghijklmno gave, though it may have been a bit rude it was still his/her opinion.

~kakkarot

I'm not sorry for stooping to his intellectual level. Now however, i shall surpass them.

It was asked is it right or wrong. well is it right or wrong to be heterosexual? white? black? female? male? etc? Or is it simply the way one is.

Xander.

[Huwie]

I have this to say about homosexuality:

I have friends who are homosexual and they are some of the best friends I have ever had.  In fact, my closest male friend is homosexual and my closest female friend is bisexual.

I couldn't ask for better friends.  They're there for me when I need them to be, and they bring me nothing but happiness by being my friends.  I love them dearly.  If that's wrong, I don't want to be right.

[abcdefghijklmno]

screw you people!!!

[Nagual]

What does screw mean?  Hum...  Why are you so upset by what others do...?  It's not like they are showing off and doing obscene things in front of you.  Are you soooo important that everyone around you should pay attention to what you think?  I am sorry but, if I was homosexual, I wouldn't give a damn about what you think about me; you're nothing for me.  As I am nothing for you.  I am sure you already have a lot of work to do on your life; so just leave others alone.

About homosexuality, I think that, from a sexual point of view, it's not natural.  But from a love point of view, I see no problem...  In the end, people should be free to do whatever they want as long as it does not hurt others...

And just wanted to add that animals do it too.

[Huwie]

Current scientific thinking - contrary to what some people have said in this thread - indicates that 100% heterosexuality is relatively rare in the animal kingdom.  Including Humans.

[beavis]

kakkarot the topic is asking for opinions people. don't bash peoples' opinions. they were asked for, this is not a debate nor a "is it right or wrong to be homosexual" thread. it is asking for opinions, which abcdefghijklmno gave, though it may have been a bit rude it was still his/her opinion.

I dont think that really is abcdefghi's opinion. He's trolling. If it was his opinion, I would have said nothing.

[xander]

quote:Originally posted by abcdefghijklmno

screw you people???

Are you asking or offering? Male, female, dom, sub, what's yer pleasure?

Xander

[beavis]

I'm not gay, but if abcdefghijklmno wants to screw us, thats what he will get. Which orifice do you prefer? I just hope I dont catch his herpes. [xx(]

[onefromsomewhereelse]

xand,

What is this about noone but God judging?  "By their fruits ye shall know them".  We are to judge, but not by a standard we wouldn't judge ourselves!  

"Judge not, lest ye be judged"....that is the standard.  As mentioned, we are to be fruit inspectors; that is a judgment, ol buddy.  You better learn a little about something you criticize, for credibility.

You compare homos with skin color....you cannot control your skin color, but you can control your homosexualy cravings!

Get real....IAYA

[xander]

quote:Originally posted by onefromsomewhereelse

xand,

You compare homos with skin color....you cannot control your skin color, but you can control your homosexualy cravings!

Actually one can change skin color.....Just ask Michael Jackson.

You claim homosexuals can control their sexual cravings, cant heteros control their sexual cravings?

Xander