Stuck in Paralysis - Can't Project!

Nagual · December 11, 2003, 07:48:16

How long did you try the rope before giving up...?
When you do it, you must really give everything you have. Put all your intent into it. Are you good at concentration?

About the pain, can't be sure but, many times, it's not that the pains appear, it's that you become more sensitive and aware of it.

Anyway, you did not waste your time apparently; you got a bunch of interesting sensations...

Dragen · December 11, 2003, 08:05:17

Hey Nagual!
I like your signature! lol
Yea, I don't think I wasted my time. It was a very interesting experience.. I got a lot further this time ever since the first time I reached vibrations. Because of all the reading i've done, I understand what paralysis is and why it's happening, so i'm not scared.

But I have a problem with the Tactile Imaging. It's not very easy for me to imagine being in a void while climbing a rope I can't see. My problem is how easy it for me to actually see the rope, etc. I gave everything I have in to using the ROPE, and it's just very difficult.

I read a short passage from Robert Bruce in his Treatise, and he says "physical pain" can occur if you are exerting pressure on your astral body, but your chakras aren't active or energy blockage. He used the stomache as an example.. depending on what you eat, if it hurts there.. you are kind of "tied" down to the physical body until you do energy work. But this was in my arms up in the biceps.. I don't lift weights or anything like that.. strange..

Dark_Phoenix · December 11, 2003, 08:18:23

What you should do before doing this again is stretch out and do warm up exercises so the energy flows faster and the pain doesn't appear. it might take longer it might take shorter. But I think this way might prove some use.

Huwie · December 11, 2003, 08:23:31

I feel compelled to congratulate you, my friend! That's clearly the closest you have got to projection so far. It sounds to me like either your concentration just isn't quite there yet - in which case it will come, with practice - or something to do with your chakras. Try spending more time stimulating them. After a lot of practice with this, I can actually feel my base chakra sometimes, in just the way Bruce describes.

I never quite seem to get the paralysis myself (if you're not supposed to move a muscle though, how can you tell?), but I definitely feel a lot heavier and woozier afterwards.

I just tried too, and got closer than I have for a long time. I was trying ROPE and it wasn't working, so I just returned to meditation, having pretty much given up. I was probably on the borders of sleep, when suddenly something seemed to, er, 'flip' or something. My vision (eyes still closed) changed and my head felt really light. I immediately tried ROPE again and got so close! I'm sure it'll happen with enough practice, for both me and you. Just don't give up! [

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Dark_Phoenix · December 11, 2003, 08:27:46

Interesting....... you 2 have had this problem......

All you have to do is train your mind and do some mind training and do warm up exercises....well at least thats what worked 4 me.

Good luck.

Dragen · December 11, 2003, 08:35:27

Thanks for the input Dark_Phoenix! Maybe you are right.. doing some warmup exercises and stretching may release some tension. I guess I need to keep practicing.. it will come. It has to!

Heya Huwie! This is the closest I have come since the first time I got "vibrations". This was a full paralysis state, and it's quite funny, because all though you aren't supposed to move.. you somehow know. This was verified when 2 hours passed, I decided it was time to throw the towel in for the night... and I couldn't move. But after trying real hard, I was able to pull my right arm up, then my left arm, and sit up. When I stood up, I almost fell over.. my legs buckled... oops.. I should probably pace myself next time!

That dang ROPE technique. I wish there was something I could do to increase my tactile imaging skills.

Dark_Phoenix · December 11, 2003, 08:40:20

Here's a exercise for you to do although it might be hard for you to do. It has to do with mind training. what you do is close your eyes and picture a apple and notice everything about it{ the way it smells, tastes[if you eat it], the way it feels} and so forthe. until you can do it "snap" just like that. this should help you as your picturing a apple just like you would the rope.

Dragen · December 11, 2003, 09:04:28

But you aren't actually supposed to "see" it?

Zarklon · December 11, 2003, 09:47:32

You should read my post about helping those who cant get past the paralysis stage if you havent already. I cant really type much cause I'm in school right now. Try reading my post and let me know if it helps. Good luck

Dark_Phoenix · December 11, 2003, 09:55:05

{.....Man this is getting iratating....deep breaths...1..2..3..4..5..6..7..8..9..10.}

yes you are soposed to 'see' it your also soposed to feel it and so forthe.{only in your mind though unles you have trouble, then i would sogest that you put it near by just in case you need help with it.}

Sorry if I seen synical, I was just told that my g/f fell down the stairs of her house.

Dragen · December 11, 2003, 10:07:37

LOL, I hope the "man this is getting irritating" part wasn't directed at me! [B)] But I will keep working at the visualization. I don't think people realize how much work is involved when trying to do this. It's amazing.

I hope your girlfriend is ok Dark_Phoenix.

Dragen · December 11, 2003, 10:10:16

Oh hey Zarklon!
I actually DID read your post.. and I tried the things you suggested. First, I was trying to roll out.. the only thing thrasing my arms did was get me to snap out of paralysis and get up physically. I think your technique will work very well (to get out) if my focus is a little better.

I wonder how many other people have problems in this state.

Avalon · December 11, 2003, 11:31:09

I've had the same problem during meditation/AP. I've not tried to AP in awhile but since I've begun, I have had several "waking paralysis" episodes.

The bad thing about the waking paralysis state is that it is very uncomfortable. The last thing that comes to mind during that state is trying to AP. I'm working on that issue though.

This happened to me just last night. I awoke feeling slight paralysis with the "feeling" of my husband sleeping nearby on his back. Then I looked at him, think it was astral sight (mine has a blue hue like moonlight). I had the thought to "slide" or "float" myself over to him. Thought that was kind of a weird thing to think to myself. SLIDE/FLOAT over to him?? I could have just rolled over. Then I fell back to sleep.

Wish I could offer some piece of advice to you. I've found that it's taken a lot of patience but also a fair amount of perseverence for the few odd experiences I have had thus far.[

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Zarklon · December 11, 2003, 12:45:40

Its good that you've read my post. Dragen , I was talking it over with a friend of mine last night and we both realized that it helps to break paralysis and take control of your astral body when you relax a bit during the paralysis state. Maybe trying to move a bit and noticing the paralysis, then relaxing quickly and trying to move again might help.. I've broken paralysis and had an OBE many times with that simple exercise. Relaxing is one thing .. focusing is another.. you can relax your body and not focus on anything (or keep your mind quiet) but you could also relax your body and focus on it at the same time.. I find that if I relax my body and focus on it , it makes my awareness switch to my physical body thus ending the experience.. So be careful .. you will learn what I mean when you play around with paralysis a few times. You should notice the split feeling also.. the feeling of one body being directly on/inside your other body and one is your astral body still stuck to the physical and all you have to do it peel it away.. like shedding skin. Its really not as hard as it seems.. I may give a very detailed explanation on how I exit but it only takes a matter of seconds once I realize I'm in paralysis for me to get free. Dont overthink it ..its the worse thing you could do when the opportunity arrises.

Dragen · December 11, 2003, 13:09:24

Hey Zarklon!
Thank you for the valuable advice. You just hit it on the head when you said it feels like your bodies are "overlayed" per se. There were many times it felt like there were two of me right on top of each other.. tied together. That's why it felt like I had another hand laying there when I broke paralysis by moving my right arm physically.

So you are saying, you get bad results when you relax and focus on the body, where as, relaxing and just keeping my mind quiet should yield better results? I guess it's something I should experiment with. I'm hoping, now that I have reached this deep paralysis state, that it will be increasingly easier to get back to it in the future.

I mean, I do want this to occur right? Everything I have been reading seems to suggest that this is borderline astral projection!

Zarklon · December 11, 2003, 19:58:19

yes thats exactly what I mean about he relaxing and focusing on your body.. Your right.

I have projected while in paralysis from relaxing AND focusing on my body but I'm only be able to do that because I've been doin it for so long... it comes in time..

For oyu I suggest focusing little to none on your physical body while trying to get past paralysis.

I have a good feeling this info will help along with those 2 methods I posted.
Good luck!

Nagual · December 12, 2003, 03:07:38

In fact, if I remember correctly, you are not supposed to see the rope or visualize anything... What you want is to get feeling of going up. You know the feeling you get in an elevator... It's this kind of sensation that you want to focus on. Focus on the lifting.

Graupel · December 12, 2003, 06:46:53

When I try to do exit techniques or even get the vibrations (and the vibrations do come.. but with a most unfortunate side effect!).. I experience unimaginable, excruciating pain. It's like muscle spasms but like someone's sticking a bladed pitchfork deep in your muscle, twisting it and turning it, tearing out the muscle, re-pressing against the muscle, and so on. That's what my astral pains feel like.

And it always seems to be concentrate on an area on my back or spine. Like I'm somehow binded so close to it it feels like real physical pain, which could actually be it. I'm unsure yet.

Dark_Phoenix · December 12, 2003, 08:18:23

I am sorry to hear that everyone has been through somekind of pain when AP, but you should actually ignore it the best you can. another thing is that I've herd but haven't taking into concideration is that when AP it's like when your body dies{ the paralysis and not knowing how to get out} and the soul gets trapt there until one fiqures out how to get out and by then they get transported to the next life without even getting to take a 'free ride' in the astra plane of exsistence. It's a cruel fate the people that never know how have to go through.

Dragen · December 12, 2003, 08:55:07

The more and more I go through this, the more I am starting to think you are right Dark_Phoenix. I think a lot of people can get stuck in certain places and have a difficult time figuring a way out. I'm starting to come to the conclusion that i'm one of them. (Right now, anyway)

Graupel, I am sorry to hear you are having difficulties. Really, I fully understand.. because I am going through the same thing. I started this thread 2 nights ago, because I entered paralysis and couldn't get out. Then the pain started.

I started meditating at 6:30pm last night, and never came out of paralysis until 11:30pm. I couldn't be further from telling the truth. During this time, I was very relaxed, at first.. and then the pain in my arms started again. It feels like I have nails pounded in my elbow joints. And it throbs. This only occurs when I enter deep paralysis.

After this point, I am stuck here. I can leave at any time if I start moving my fingers and toes. (Which I am able to do) and then I can slowly start lifting my limbs. But I stay in this state, because many of you have suggested it is borderline OBE. But I can't get out. I am starting to get a little frustrated..

I put everything I had in to the ROPE technique. I attempted to relax and just focus on nothing. (Like Zarklon suggested) I also tried focusing on my body and 3rd eye. I tried using a ladder... the interesting part is how I can actually feel results for a brief period of time, but then I lose the visualization. It's like, I only get 5-10 seconds of "good" visualization.

Does anybody know what is happening? Why the horrible pain in my arms? Why am I stuck here for hours? Is it impossible for me to do this? I have been to a hypnotist before, and all his techniques never worked on me. I can't help wonder if i'm the type of person that can't do this because of that?

Any feedback or suggestions will greatly help me out. As well as others in this thread. Thanks guys. It's greatly appreciated.

Dark_Phoenix · December 12, 2003, 09:00:14

have you ever seen a anime show where a charactor fly's ?

maybe you should try flying out of your body instead of the 'rope' or 'latter' technique? maybe that will help.

Dark_Phoenix · December 12, 2003, 09:02:11

and ask for the hypno therapy, I to have never been in duced before even if i did everything i was soposed to do. maybe my techniques are to blame seeing as i to have had trouble in the past.

Dragen · December 12, 2003, 09:05:39

Hey Dark_Phoenix,
I'm willing to try anything at this point. I have attempted to fly. I could feel/visualize myself floating upwards inside of a long tunnel. I have also visualized myself floating up near the ceiling and I can even visualize myself standing up near my door.. while i'm physically laying down on the bed. (Which Robert Bruce says is difficult to do)

I thought maybe I was trying to hard. But I tried Zarklon's advice last night, and just relaxed. Relaxing caused more pain in my arms. I can ignore it.. but I think it is effecting my abilities to concentrate more.

I just don't know what else I can do. [V]

Dark_Phoenix · December 12, 2003, 09:08:05

ok can you wait a min or two so i can think of a way to help you?

Dark_Phoenix · December 12, 2003, 09:11:44

{hmmm..................................................................}

got it!!!

ok when you go into the paralysis stage, wake your physical body up just enough so that you can no longer feel paralysed and stand up in your astral body. maybe that will work I know i tried this way with my self and it worked a few times until i fiqured out a way to do it on my own without waking my body up.

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