I am a new member and have several questions

[Mobius]

Hi Astrud

You seem to be fairly familiar with the terminology & experiences felt while an OBE is occuring, lots of authors have different interpretations on what you are experiencing, if you havn't allready, get hold of Robert Bruce's "Astral Dynamics", it explains things in a way that doesn't get heavy with abstract concepts that you are not likely to relate to & has physical & mental exerices to increase clarity & recall. The books by Monroe, Moen & Buhlman are excellent as well.

It is good that you can relax so easily in the daytime, well afternoon anyway & you probably are allready having OBE,s at the time of your nap, hence the sunset or darkness you perceive shortly afterwards. The dog incident very well could be interaction between the both of you on an astral plane & the fact that you patted it & remembered it enforces that idea, then again it could have been a dream, I guess you will be the best judge of that as you piece together more info about yourself & OBE terminology.

The vortexes are possibly doorways into a particular astral level or to an area particular to you, are they circular? or do they take other forms as well?

"Ocasionally I am dreaming at the same time", suggests something that is talked about on page 79 & 80 of Astral Dynamics, either "Astral Sight" or "Remote eye projection", depending on what you actually experienced while you were aware you were dreaming.

Anyway, you might get some other ideas off other readers of this post & the previous pages as well, as the experiences you have talked about have happened to many in here, good luck & good journeys.

Mobius

[Patty]

Hi Laura,

I have had similar experiences to what you describe. I think afternoon is a good time for vibrations and so on because your body doesn't sleep as deeply; also because there is more light (although your experience with different lighting happens, too).

Just keep at it, I don't know that you are any less 'knowledgeable,' I think we are all just sharing our individual paths with similar journeyers - Definitely read that Monroe books, he talks about a lot of what you said including deceased pets.

Patty

[Astrud]

Thanks for responding guys, I'm so glad I finally have people to talk to about this. In reference to my previous question the vortexes I see are round, one was in the side of a wall and colorful, and I felt like someone was pulling me in and I got scared and went back to my body. The other times the vortex was black and white and going underground. My question is that if the vortex is going underground does that mean that I would be going to a "lower plane"?

Laura

[Patty]

Hi Laura,

I've never seen vortexes, so i don't know - but I believe that what you believe, is what you will see on the astral planes.  (Apparently I believe the astral planes are dark and quiet, because that's how I always see and hear them! Although daytime experiences often have more light associated with them, for me.)

If you are concerned that the vortex goes to a lower plane, then it might take you there simply because you believe it would. My advice is to spend time where you feel it would be most useful. If some element persistently presents itself, like for the next 10 experiences, then you might want to address it - but otherwise you'll probably have such a variety of elements to choose from in your experiences that you won't need to approach something unless you wish to.

I've never seen vortexes - were they as concrete as the walls and so on in the experience?

Patty

[Astrud]

The vortexes were like ones I've seen in science fiction shows, one was was about 5ft in diameter and the others were about 2 ft wide. They were all moving in a circular swirling motion not sure what direction, but they were going in a direction. They were fluid in feeling. Seems like I had read something about them and then began having the experience, so the belief theory seems to make sense to me.

[ralphm]

the vortexes sound interesting, maybe they are astral plane entrance. i vote to try it, you could always abort. i'm a little leary of going underground- the only time i started falling into the earth i went back to the body-but who knows, it might have been interesting.generally i try to head upwards which is supposed to get you to the astral if you do not see any entrences.

[Astrud]

I have been having these experiences for about ten years now and I am anxious to finally ask some questions. I usually have these experiences in the afternoon when I nap. I am usually slightly awakened by intense vibrations and feel myself to be leaving my body ( at first I thought these where just dreams of astral projection) I usually think that I am in real time except the lighting is different, it usually appears dark or at sunset. I am usually in my house trying to move around, usually everything appears like it does in my waking conciousness, but sometimes some things are different. I have seen and petted my deceased dog and many times seen vortexes. Sometimes these vortexes are going underground and sometimes they are in the side of walls. Once I felt something pulling at my ankles, and another time I felt a hand on my lower back. Occasionally I am dreaming at the same time. I have never been able to induce a concious OOBE. I have tried many techniques for clearer vision during these OOBE or AP's, but nothing seems to work. I know these are alot of questions, but this is the first time I have been able to talk with others who knowledgable about this. Can someone please help?

Laura