How many?

[Ides315]

Hey, all

Tisha, I have to agree with you. Unless you do something to generally annoy them, or cause yourself to be percieved as a threat, they really do not care.

[astralc]

Tisha

I like your post, in my work I see a few psychics, and their biggest problem is not dodging psi investiagtors but in getting their crappy psychotic life together, relationships. In fact relationships is far more damaging than any shoot me up MIB. As for being traced and hounded, it is the market researchers that do that, as Tisha says. But then, I might be wrong too.

Astralc

"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson
www.shoal.net.au/~astralc
"The marriage of the ancient arts of astrology, taoism, tantra and the modern science of psychology."

[weagle]

the internet is one area where they can track your activity for example doubleclick ads network was doing that and still is doing if they see you visiting a specific category ie say kids stuff then they'll later on start throwing kid stuff ads on other sites that show doubleclick ads etc...  what is freaky is this microchip thing and they say the military are the guinea pigs to test this thing ie their national id and it can also be used as a debit card.  So imagine they track everything you do, even locate where you are (if they have GPS technology in the future) at any point of time.  Oh gee we wouldn't need a large police force to keep crime down and wouldn't need officers to give tickets, they'll send it in the mail. All this boils down to is automation and job cutting.  They call it the new world order, the only thing that I don't like is they have problems with wars/terrorism and want to become one government in the future, one religion, one education system, one economy etc..  How can you force people to follow a new system when everyone has their own set of beliefs/thoughts?  The catholic church which is like 1billion christians hasn't changed or doesn't plan on changing to adopt to the new one belief system.  I think the same with the muslims to which is the second highest population in religion.

[cainam_nazier]

Well dang it was just a thought.

I personally am not worried or paranoid I simply playing out a thought.

But, be alert.......the world needs more letrs.


David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com
I am he who walks in the light but is masked by the shadows.

[kakkarot]

i'm a lert. isn't everybody?  

~kakkarot

Secret of Secrets

[Ides315]

Hey

Maybe most people posting on this site are, or are becoming. The vast majority seem very comfortable in their little filtered version of reality.

Kinda sarcastic, I know. But true from my experiences.

[justine]

Associated Press Writer
Monday, June 24, 2002; 5:38 PM

WASHINGTON –– The FBI is visiting libraries nationwide and checking the reading records of people it suspects of having ties to terrorists or plotting an attack, library officials say.

The FBI effort, authorized by the antiterrorism law enacted after the Sept. 11 attacks, is the first broad government check of library records since the 1970s when prosecutors reined in the practice for fear of abuses.

The Justice Department and FBI declined to comment Monday, except to note that such searches are now legal under the Patriot Act that President Bush signed last October.

Libraries across the nation were reluctant to discuss their dealings with the FBI. The same law that makes the searches legal also makes it a criminal offense for librarians to reveal the details or extent.

"Patron information is sacrosanct here. It's nobody's business what you read," said Kari Hanson, director of the Bridgeview Public Library in suburban Chicago.

Hanson said an FBI agent came seeking information about a person, but her library had no record of the person. Federal prosecutors allege Global Relief Foundation, an Islamic charity based in the Chicago suburb, has ties to Osama bin Laden's terror network

The University of Illinois conducted a survey of 1,020 public libraries in January and February and found that 85 libraries had been asked by federal or local law enforcement officers for information about patrons related to Sept. 11, said Ed Lakner, assistant director of research at the school's Library Research Center.

The libraries that reported FBI contacts were nearly all in large urban areas.

In Florida, Broward County library director Sam Morrison said the FBI had recently contacted his office. He declined to elaborate on the request or how many branch libraries were involved.

"We've heard from them and that's all I can tell you," Morrison said. He said the FBI specifically instructed him not to reveal any information about the request.

The library system has been contacted before. A week after the Sept. 11 attacks, the FBI subpoenaed Morrison to provide information on the possible use of computer terminals by some of the suspected hijackers in the Hollywood, Fla., area.

In October, investigators revisited the county's main library in Fort Lauderdale and also checked a regional library in Coral Springs.

At least 15 of the 19 hijackers had Florida connections.

The process by which the FBI gains access to library records is quick and mostly secret under the Patriot Act.

First, the FBI must obtain a search warrant from a court that meets in secret to hear the agency's case. The FBI must show it has reason to suspect that a person is involved with a terrorist or a terrorist plot – far less difficult than meeting the tougher legal standards of probable cause, required for traditional search warrants or reasonable doubt, required for convictions.

With the warrant, FBI investigators can visit a library and gain immediate access to the records.

Judith Krug, the American Library Association's director for intellectual freedom, said the FBI was treading on the rights it is supposed to be upholding.

"It's unfortunate because these records and this information can be had with so little reason or explanation," Krug said. "It's super secret and anyone who wants to talk about what the FBI did at their library faces prosecution. That has nothing to do with patriotism."

Krug tells worried librarians who call that they should keep only the records they need and should discard records that would reveal which patron checked out a book and for how long.

She is frustrated by the hate mail she says she receives when she speaks out against the Patriot Act.

"People are scared and they think that by giving up their rights, especially their right to privacy, they will be safe," Krug said. "But it wasn't the right to privacy that let terrorists into our nation. It had nothing to do with libraries or library records."

Some libraries said they will still resist government efforts to obtain records.

Pat McCandless, assistant director for public services for Ohio State University's libraries, said, "State law and professional ethics say we do not convey patron information and that is still our stance.

"To the best of our ability, we would try to support patron confidentiality," she said.


Hermits Unite

[Mobius]

Hi all

Virtually every phone call, fax, email & text message sent anywhere in the world is captured & analysed by ECHELON, which is controlled mainly by the NSA.

Typing those words may or may not trigger a flag, but you would hope & think that these people are responsible enough to realise this is a peaceful forum & website & we have no terrorist tendencies.

Echelon is a global spy system operated in conjunction with General Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) in the UK, the Communications Security Establishment (CSE) in Canada, the Australian Defence Security Directorate (DSD) & the General Communications Security Bureau (GCSB) in New Zealand.

In 1992 the London Obsever reported that Echelon dictionaries targeted Amnesty International, Greenpeace & even Christian ministeries.

They definately have the manpower, technology & capital, to know a great deal about all of us, but I guess if you are not doing anything wrong you should have nothing to worry about & wouldn't expect to be hacked unless you wrote words that sent flags up to certain peoples interests.

There are other ways than trying to remove yourself from the information network.

Good journeys all, sleep tight.

Mobius

[cainam_nazier]

Here is a good one for all you conspiricy people.

How many web sights like this one, that deal with these kinds of things, do you think that various world governments are watching?   Possibly as recrutment start for thier various projects. (the ones we all know they are doing but won't admit)


David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com
I am he who walks in the light but is masked by the shadows.