what is shen energy?

kenshinhan604 · October 20, 2003, 04:37:18

the strongest one is the one who dosent fight back

Clow · October 21, 2003, 05:11:03

Aphotica Shen is not a projetile =P. Well As I've always heard it shen is emotional and corresponds with the limit break. Isn't our spirit what gives us emotion what seperates us from the machine. True fighters may not be ruled by emotion but can show emotion and it might even make them stronger. Anger is known to make people pass thier limits of strength and if you could harness that anger(hmmm they don't have a light bulb smily guess I gota make one)(0)(thats not a very good light bulb but thats what ti's supposed to be =P). Anyway If you could harness anger, shen then you could make yourself super powerful. Not like hulk he has no control... NO ANCHOVIES AHHHHHHHH YOU MAKE HULK MAD PIZZA BOY MUST DIE!!!!!!.

neo · October 26, 2003, 10:32:39

a fighter without emotion is like a soldier with out a war, they are both useless[

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MJ-12 · October 26, 2003, 19:00:37

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neo · October 27, 2003, 08:29:33

emotion is not a weakness, its the only advantage we have over demons(evil or bad things) they have only hate filled hearts and no love. without love they dont have that urge to succeed.

MJ-12 · October 27, 2003, 13:40:40

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Escasoni · October 28, 2003, 16:01:05

hey i know i just joined but i was interested in this and what better way to start (than join a argument). i agree with MJ as in the comparison of emotions and fire, in that when you let your emotions get out of control you most likly will hurt or destory something, sometimes what is not even the person or object you where angry at. But when used properly can be your biggest asset ever known. And just to tell you people yeah i am a DBZer, but not for the reasons of anger, energy and such, but for the fact that they are allways trying to advance and better themselves, that is what i like. seeya

Clow · October 28, 2003, 17:19:34

Mj is correct to much can be bad but if you can control it. CONTROL is what you want.(Not that bad stuff Goerge Bush has when someone assaults his country. *Bombs his own house*)

kenshinhan604 · November 21, 2003, 01:59:51

good question wats the difference?

SanctusIgnis · November 27, 2003, 15:52:32

Shen is the power of the pure spirit, transending duality, it is not really generated through anger, but deperation(ie. one has such a strong desire to do something that they just do it, without even thinking.)What all of you must understand is that one is capable of much greater things if not held back by fear. None of us are "only" human. Hopefully your souls are old enough to understand. Mock me if you wish but by doing so you only show your blind ignorance and immaturity.

Mistic-Idan · December 24, 2003, 08:48:45

Hi.
First of all peoplr are getting off this subject on this forum, if someone asks a question answer him and don't bullish!
Anyway Shen energy is the spiritual anger energy, when a human gets mad or depressed he uses an energy called Shen.
The shen energy is usually used when someone gets in an imergency situation and can't do anything, it cames for self-defence.
When the Shen is used by a human, he can't control it very well because of the anger, he can't relax and think twice.
the anger makes him to feel much stronger and self-confidence in a high level.
well there is more info on the web you can search everywere and find a various of answers for you question.
Hope i could help, happy holiday!

kakkarot · December 24, 2003, 10:09:29

shen is at least as important to the calm and peaceful type of person as it is to anyone else.

here's some websites which explain shen and some other things (note that not all are from actual chinese sources):

"SHEN -That which makes humans more than an object in motion."
http://www.chinesemedicinesampler.com/introduction_to_tcm_shen.htm

"Jing energy, also called "essence", is the primordial energy unique to an individual that is passed to them at conception. Shen is said to be the driving energy behind activities that take place in the mental, spiritual or creative planes. Qi is the most dynamic and immediate energy of the body."
http://www.naturalways.com/treas.htm (or http://www.naturalways.com/treas1.htm for a somewhat more fleshed out description of the three)

some "Notes for a talk given by the British acupuncturist and herbalist at East West Seminar at Bore Farm, July, 1997".
http://www.planetherbs.com/articles/psych_tcm.html

This is an excellent page which goes into detail about a couple of things regarding differentiations between chinese and japanese meanings of a couple of words. "The close relation between the writing systems of these two countries has sometimes given rise to suggestions of a shared ethnicity, such as the theory of "common script, a common race." Yet when two differing cultures use a common script, there are bound to be numerous differences in the connotations of the words used. A classic example in Chinese and Japanese culture is that of the characters shen #31070; (pronounced shin or kami in Japanese) and xin #24515; (Japanese shin or kokoro)." of course there is much more so check this one out.
http://www.cityu.edu.hk/ccs/Newsletter/newsletter3/HomePage/CulturalDiff/CulturalDiff.html

"The three things are "Jing", "Qi", "Shen". The key is to nurture the mental stability to anchor oneself to make good judgments. Fear, anxiety, egotism and other unstable emotions can undermine all physical training. Although Wan did not explain the meanings of "Jing", "Qi" and "Shen" in Wushu Hui Zun, in the book Shaolin Liu-He Style, published in 1984, a group of his students explain that "Jing" refers to the bodily fluids that nurture one's body, "Qi" is the energy that powers one's body and "Shen" is the mental capacity that directs one's actions. The book asserts that the development of the three interlocking elements strengthens the life force."
http://www.nardis.com/~twchan/wan.html

as anyone can see, (to use programming logic) anger != shen (aka, anger does not equal shen, so shen is not anger)

to quote the first website, "The temptation to understand Oriental Medicine by fitting it into western models is strong. But reconciling eastern and western medicines is a vast ocean that is almost entirely uncharted."

i hope this answers the original question [|)]

~kakkarot

kakkarot · January 02, 2004, 13:32:30

to really understand chi, jing, and shen, a person HAS to get away from the idea that they are types of "energy". to think of them as such is like thinking that math has to do with addition and subtraction only.

i admit that it is simple to call them energy, but in reality they are not merely energy.

~kakkarot

kenshinhan604 · March 03, 2004, 01:37:43

quote:
Originally posted by neo

a fighter without emotion is like a soldier with out a war, they are both useless[]

emotions can distract the fighter e.g. if i pull ya gfs breasts whilst your fighting it will upset u & cause you to make mistakes that can lead to lethal results

KenYang · March 03, 2004, 03:20:10

quote:
Originally posted by kakkarot

to really understand chi, jing, and shen, a person HAS to get away from the idea that they are types of "energy". to think of them as such is like thinking that math has to do with addition and subtraction only.

i admit that it is simple to call them energy, but in reality they are not merely energy.

~kakkarot

With all the misconceptions out there (and BS like Radki) its hard to not find the misinterpreted versions, Kak.

kenshinhan604 · March 03, 2004, 03:21:44

quote:
Originally posted by KenYang

quote:
Originally posted by kakkarot

to really understand chi, jing, and shen, a person HAS to get away from the idea that they are types of "energy". to think of them as such is like thinking that math has to do with addition and subtraction only.

i admit that it is simple to call them energy, but in reality they are not merely energy.

~kakkarot

With all the misconceptions out there (and BS like Radki) its hard to not find the misinterpreted versions, Kak.

josh my man uv done it again u solvd the mystery of misinterpretation that shappnd throughout asia!!!
wat can i say!!!
they all develop in different paths but they have the same roots!!!
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KenYang · March 03, 2004, 03:26:24

The thing about many paths, though, is that most of the legitimate paths are made by researching, studying, and respecting the paths that came before it and adding in what was "modern thought and technology" at the time in order to create that path. Paths are still being created even in modern times in the martial arts. Look at Jeet Kune Do as an example of a new path that is merely an upgraded version of an old path.

Misconceptions lack such respect because of things like greed and ego. The people who follow such misconceptions do so due to ignorance (not knowing any better).

kenshinhan604 · March 03, 2004, 03:36:16

quote:
Originally posted by KenYang

The thing about many paths, though, is that most of the legitimate paths are made by researching, studying, and respecting the paths that came before it and adding in what was "modern thought and technology" at the time in order to create that path. Paths are still being created even in modern times in the martial arts. Look at Jeet Kune Do as an example of a new path that is merely an upgraded version of an old path.

Misconceptions lack such respect because of things like greed and ego. The people who follow such misconceptions do so due to ignorance (not knowing any better).

in th olden war (china and japan) they all created there own kungfu including korea however they all came from china beliefs but developed there own ways !!!

these days we are thought there ways regardless of knowing where the original was created !!!

KenYang · March 03, 2004, 03:39:20

If you do enough research, you can find history on your path and find where it was created.

Most paths (as far as I understand) trace from Japan to Korea or to China, Korea to China, and China to India.

kenshinhan604 · March 03, 2004, 03:44:06

quote:
Originally posted by KenYang

If you do enough research, you can find history on your path and find where it was created.

Most paths (as far as I understand) trace from Japan to Korea or to China, Korea to China, and China to India.

josh my man uv done it again!!!
2 thing uv done
one this is an hot topic
and two u do ur research im touched lol[:I]

however theres one flaw witht he history bit
that the traces are not that clear so iv seen they sometimes fallin a hole where they are lost or go elsewhere e.g. when the chineese dynasty had rebelled the shiolin temple was partly destoyed so the students and masters ran off else where some to japn others other parts of asia so this is still unclear however in some cases some thought that they ha ddeveloped there training in different paths to others!!!

KenYang · March 03, 2004, 04:15:55

I meant my trace to be displayed as a path backwards.

As in it started in India and went to China. It went from China to Korea. And both Korea and China were sources for the Japanese.

Your Shaolin Temple bit you spoke of can be one of the explinations for how it got from CHina to Korea and Japan.

kenshinhan604 · March 03, 2004, 05:09:54

quote:
Originally posted by KenYang

I meant my trace to be displayed as a path backwards.

As in it started in India and went to China. It went from China to Korea. And both Korea and China were sources for the Japanese.

Your Shaolin Temple bit you spoke of can be one of the explinations for how it got from CHina to Korea and Japan.

josh my man wat can i say i truley under estimatd u now i remember wat u mean INDIA

well i hav heard about there successes and teaches from yonks ago from the old emporers hav u heard bout thjere king called ashok theres a film of him in hindi it shows his ascedation that he encounters after loosing his true love that was in 5BC i think

Dark_Phoenix · March 09, 2004, 12:32:48

i would say love is the 'shen' you talk about....as it does count for the increase strength...to lift cars off loved ones...hint...'loved ones' so thats what i think it is...

kenshinhan604 · March 10, 2004, 05:05:13

quote:
Originally posted by Dark_Phoenix

i would say love is the 'shen' you talk about....as it does count for the increase strength...to lift cars off loved ones...hint...'loved ones' so thats what i think it is...

lift cars???

Dark_Phoenix · March 10, 2004, 07:52:09

yes...lift cars.....i have done research on this and it shows that when someone that you care about is in trouble i.e. under a car ..you fill with strength and are able to help them escape...by lifting the car off them....

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