Help with Kundalini...

[robertk4you]

go to those 2 pages,read and practise
http://kundalini-support.com/
http://www.urday.com/indexs.asp

[James S]

Hi AlphaOmega,

The warnings about kundalini raising are there for a very good reason. This is really something not to mess with unless you've spent a lot of time practicing energy raising techniques such as NEW (I'm talking years, not just days or months), and is something that must be taken very seriously. Do not attempt it out of a desire just to see what it's about.

Reason for this is the same idea as trying to go and swim the English channel after not long learning how to swim, or taking a hit of pure heroine when you've only ever smoked a couple of joints. There is a great ammount of energy involved that you need to train your body to cope with. Not doing so can literally damage nerves in your spinal cord, as it is your spine that is the channel for the kundalini.

Sorry if I'm sounding a little over dramatic, but I really do want to impress that this is not something to take lightly. There are sites on the internet that will tell you how to do it. Some of the ones I've seen I would consider very foolish and irresponsible, while others just don't really know what they're on about.

As a first step towards this goal if you are serious, you could try concentrating on Robert Bruces NEW techniques - esp the full body circuit. Studying Yoga can also help get you there, as NEW shares a lot in common with Yoga. The energy raising practices must be kept up very regularly because, as I mentioned, there is a good deal of conditioning that is needed for kundalini raising.

Regards,
James.

[The AlphaOmega]

Thanks James, I will be cautious when studying Kundalini.  Also thanks Robert, I've looked at a few links you sent me and they are helpful, however I still haven't found any "methods".  It's all just stories and warnings, no real "here's a way" info.  Any peticular link to look at for such things, if it exists?

[Kalonek]

Well two ways : kundalini yoga (coming from cashmirian shivaism, quite effective on long term) or waiting for Mr Bruce's Kundalini Dynamics to be published [] hehe Search for "kundalini" in the forums, you'll find a interesting article of RB posted by Richard Kwang or something like this.
Kundalini is my goal too, but i still have many years of NEW to do for this purpose [] (only 1 1/2 year of daily NEW training behind me)

[boydster]

When I was in my late teens I embarked on a definite spiritual quest. I fasted regularly and I engaged in several types of yoga which were designed to clear the chakras and the etheric body. I engaged in this type of discipline for something like 2-4 hours per day for about 4 years.

One day when doing a meditation on the Divine Mother Aspect of God, I started to feel a strong burning sensation in my chest which sent me into bliss. I'd never encountered anything so strong and it really concerned me. It happened the next day and the next. Finally, I remembered reading about Kundalini in a Theosophy book and put two and two together.

From there I always said prayers to an Ascended Master to protect me and keep me from harming myself with the Kundalini fire. Over the next few years I taught myself to move the fire into whatever chakra I wanted and hold it there for as long as I desired. This practice has given me many of the traditionally stated experiences and abilities (google "Kundalini" and read for several weeks) that are mentioned in popular literature.

That said, I have to echo James warnings. If you go ahead with trying to forcibly raise Kundalini but you don't have your chakras and spinal channels cleared out and your emotional life in order, you may well land in a mental hospital or worse. I've heard it said that Kundalini "brings liberation to yogis and bondage to fools". If you say, "I accept all the risks" it makes me think that you think you can play with dynamite and just get lucky.

Regarding finding a guru....I didn't have one in embodiment. I kept a very tight relationship with an Ascended Master through devotion, prayer and constant good works over years of time. This is available to anyone, anywhere. If you don't have the humility or patience for this then you really, really shouldn't be getting involved with Kundalini.

I subscribe to an email list for people who have experienced (mostly) premature or unwanted Kundalini awakenings. The suffering many of these people endure for months and years is pitiful. Yes, even people who aren't ready and are otherwise in pain sometimes have periods of ecstasy and cosmic awareness. But if you get acquainted with their whole lives you would see that they went from being normal functioning people to semi invalids.

Learn to do NEW. Become a master at it and do it for 2-3 years. Read all you can about Kundalini and get into the spiritual aspect of it. You're dealing with GOD here. It's not just some mechanical thing you do to gain psychic powers.

I appologize if I've sounded patronizing. But it's really a serious thing and I get kind of fired up if I think people are approaching something like this with a cavalier attitude.

Lest you think my reply was just to be a poop-head, you asked specifically for a technique to do the raising. I told you how I did it.

[achilles]

i've got two books i would recommend to you - one about experiences, the other about an actual method. the first is gopi krishna's 'kundalini:the evolutionary energy in man' (it also goes under different names, i think). if you haven't already read this i think you should because it is a first hand account of what can go wrong on the kundalini path. it also contains the most beautiful descriptions of enlightenment that i have read anywhere (i've read a lot).

the second book is mantak chia's 'awaken healing energy through the tao'. this describes a version of the microcosmic orbit meditation. you can awaken kundalini with this, but it is safer because you circulate the energy, rather than just make it rise up the spine. you may want to adapt the method to suit your preference. or maybe this method won't appeal to you at all, in which case look elsewhere.

good luck.

[James S]

Boydster,

Thank you for your input here.
My opinion on this matter is based on research only, whereas yours is based on real life experience, which I believe counts for a whole lot more.
Your thoughts really are of great value to the AP forums.[^]

Alpha,

I've found a link to a discussion on Kundalini that started nearly a couple of years ago. Robert Bruce posts some good info starting on page 2

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1016

Hope you find this link helpful. []

Regards,
James.

[boydster]

Thanks, James!

It's a topic very near to my heart. I've been thinking of this issue for a couple of days now and have a few more insights.

I really think that (as has been stated by RB and others)the Kundalini is the way provided by God for a soul to ascend out of this mortal condition. A very natural manifestation of this is as follows:

A ripe old soul who has had enough bs down here after a few thousand lifetimes or so, feels the need to move on in consciousness. The power of unification is what we call "Love" and the desire to reunite with ones Source or God Presence becomes an all encompassing preocupation at a certain stage in the career of a soul. So while the soul is earnestly desiring God, her love pulls down the divine masculine fire which, over time and through much devotion (many years or even lifetimes) purifies the bodies and chakras of the seeker.

When this purification has reached a stage appointed by that higher self, a fundamental change happens. Metaphorically, the soul beginning her ascent back to God as represented in the loosening of the seed atom or Kundalini, and the feminine aspect of the personality of God ascends up the spinal stalk to reunite with her lord, the masculine aspect of God in the crown chakra. The action is liberating.

So, it's something that is completely natural and doesn't need to be learned, like some magic trick. At least that's my take on it. I'm well aware that there are ways of hastening this process, some more defensible than others. In the case of a soul who is getting closer and closer to the last incarnation, and has mastered the Kundalini in past lives, the shortening of the process via yogic practices is natural and is entirely waranted. But for those who artificially force this action, with the only goal in mind being the gaining of advantage over others via psychic powers or the agrandizement of the ego, I think that there are grave risks. Ones motives should be carefully investigated.

[achilles]

Hi Boydster,
So do you think that an advanced soul, whose intentions are pure, and who has mastered kundalini in previous lives, will naturally be protected from being fried or going nuts, even if it is induced rapidly with intense practice?

[Kalonek]

quote:Originally posted by achilles

Hi Boydster,
So do you think that an advanced soul, whose intentions are pure, and who has mastered kundalini in previous lives, will naturally be protected from being fried or going nuts, even if it is induced rapidly with intense practice?

Well as far as i know it's said that whoever raises totally kundalini (full serpent effect etc) is freed from reincarnation by the destruction of its karma ... And in any case kundalini is a body aspect, so i guess that everything has to be done again with as much risk if you still recincarnate (as you have a new and totally different body).

[boydster]

quote:Originally posted by achilles

Hi Boydster,
So do you think that an advanced soul, whose intentions are pure, and who has mastered kundalini in previous lives, will naturally be protected from being fried or going nuts, even if it is induced rapidly with intense practice?

I'm not sure that I'd state it exactly as you have. Inducing rapidly with intense practice seems to me to be a rash act no matter who you are. Robert Bruce frankly mentions that he died (temporarily) the first time he did it....[:O]

I would, however, say that one who has mastered Kundalini in past lives has probably formed for himself a set of physical/spiritual bodies (this time) which are capable of somewhat greater ease and eficacy at doing it again. Spiritual mastery is at least semi-permanent. The soul remembers the path, and each new set of bodies are the product of past good karma and attainment.

With pure intent, it seems, the timetable for these things isn't something which needs a lot of hurriedness or hand-wringing. There is a rhythm and cadence to everything in life. If one simply desires to reunite with the higher self with all his heart and soul, the path will unfold.

For instance, I believe that quit a few catholic saints have experienced Kundalini. When it unfolds naturally it doesn't have to entail a monumental eruption. And once the light begins to flow, the person can see what is happening and learns to work with it in an instinctive and natural way.

Look up Saint Francis of Paola. The guy was an adept in every sense of the word...he could levitate, walk on water, precipitate physical objects, read minds, etc. But if you read the story of his life, he never read books about Kundalini or practiced any "techniques" that he got from others. He became one with his higher self through intense, consistent desire and love. The Kundalini and everything else just fell into place.

People seem to miss the fact that if you don't have a very intense tethering to the higher self, then even forcing the Kundalini and gaining a bunch of psychic powers doesn't actually give you access to that much energy. You've got to tap into the Source.

[pod3]

Wow. Bruce's explanation strikes me as very graphic, but I'd like more info on the actual technique of raising kundalini to this degree as it ties into some of my work. Sadly, though that forum string seems to have ended about a year and a half ago, I can't find any links to Bruce's "Treatise on Kundalini" in either print form or as an Ebook. Will be asking him myself, shortly.

Thanks, James.

quote:Originally posted by James S

Boydster,

Thank you for your input here.
My opinion on this matter is based on research only, whereas yours is based on real life experience, which I believe counts for a whole lot more.
Your thoughts really are of great value to the AP forums.[^]

Alpha,

I've found a link to a discussion on Kundalini that started nearly a couple of years ago. Robert Bruce posts some good info starting on page 2

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1016

Hope you find this link helpful. []

Regards,
James.

[The AlphaOmega]

All very helpful insights, and I thank you for your responses.  However it sounds like a lot of fear to me.  I've seen little if anything, websites included, that encourages and teaches one once they've stated precautions.  It's all mostly very intense people telling me to be afraid, be very afraid (so to speak).  Fear however is not a barrier for me, and neither is the belief in reincarnation.  I believe this life is the one and only life I will live or have ever lived on this planet, and want to spend it in deep search of my spirituality.  Kundalini for me is just another prospect that I am not currently trying, but interested in learning all about.  When I say I accept all risks I wasn't saying that I don't take them seriously.  I just believe that with enough info and practice they can be avoided, and that is the stage I am hoping to get information on.  Is there ANYONE who can put all fears aside for a moment and speak plainly about ways to reach a high state of Kundalini?

[Kalonek]

quote:Originally posted by pod3

I can't find any links to Bruce's "Treatise on Kundalini" in either print form or as an Ebook.

That's totally normal, as he hasn't write it yet It too bad, i can't wait to read it, although i will wait until i have at least 5 or 6 years of energy work to start working with it. Bruce says that this writing requires many investigations, and that he doesn't have the time for it right now

The AlphaOmega => many sites just repeat what they read elsewhere, that's why they just say "ph3Ar !!" without telling us anything else. I guess that only a few people know exactly how to start raising kundalini. Fortunately, boydster seems to be one of them, so i think he is the only one here who can answer by experience to your question I'm looking forward to it too !

I don't know why but eversince i've heard of kundalini for the first time, i decided i would do it, no matter the time and the efforts to spend in it. I really feel attracted by it, eventhough i don't really know why. It's one of my goals at middle term (in the next 10 years), to help me in my will of spiritual growth on the long term.

[boydster]

quote:Originally posted by Kalonek

I don't know why but eversince i've heard of kundalini for the first time, i decided i would do it, no matter the time and the efforts to spend in it. I really feel attracted by it, eventhough i don't really know why. It's one of my goals at middle term (in the next 10 years), to help me in my will of spiritual growth on the long term.

Kalonek,

I think you have an extremely healthy and realistic outlook on this. Not only that, you have a plan, and a track record of executing on it. Anyone with the discipline to do NEW daily for 1.5 years (along with any other disciplines I don't know about) is on the right track. Just hold on to your goal and desire it for the right reasons and you will not be denied. Believe me, you DO want to have the benefit of purifying your physical and spiritual bodies with milder forms of spiritual fire before you experience the initiation of Kundalini.


AlphaOmega,

Since you are ready now for this initiation[][][], the issue is that within the base chakra is a chamber which is sealed in 7 sheaths and within them is the serpent fire. Someone here correctly mentioned that a small amount of the fire comes out all the time and is partly responsible for animating our bodies with life and supplying us with the power to create...aka the sex activity or even just creating things like music or ideas. But it is largely sealed and for good reason.

The natural way for this unsealing to happen is by a gentle, gradual unwrapping of the sheaths by an action initiated by ones own higher self according to a safe timetable. This is something which just "happens" and, although it still takes a lot of work and patience to accomodate, it brings a greatly enhanced state of consciousness which also brings with it an understanding of what's happening and how to deal with it.

There are lots of ways that people use to "take heaven by force" which I believe is the inner meaning to this phrase, which is to force the raising of the Kundalini without regard to any commitment to true spiritual attainment or union with God. Some do it by having sex but teaching themselves to stop short of orgasm and forcefully willing the light up the spinal stalk and into the higher chakras. Others mentally focus on the base chakra and rupture the sheath by sheer will power. These people almost always get hurt pretty bad. Others have figured out ways to erode the sheath away by applying pranic energy to the base chakra which kind of burns the sheath away. This may be a little more gentle since it takes time, and you may get the benefit of numerous smaller releases which either cause you to smarten up and back away, or else it will have the effect of clearing the pathway by burning away dross a little more gradually. It will still hurt though, and if it gets out of control you're screwed.

The way I would advise people to proceed is to work on your heart chakra, make it a kind of magnet of love. Do lots of NEW which will serve two purposes, 1. It will teach you to be able to manipulate energy via your will. 2. It will gradually purify and cleanse your chakras and connecting pathways so that Kundalini will not tear you up and damage things when she comes. The other thing is to meditate on ones highest conception of God or ones higher self and practice communing with a blindingly bright Light/Intelligence hovering above you. Talk to it and send your love and desire for reunion. It is your self--your Greater Self. It is a guru you can always count on. Here is a visual representation of what I'm talking about:

http://www.prismgraphicdesign.com/presence.jpg

These are artists renderings of a visual way to relate to our higher self. I've found that by looking at the bright, shining figure in the pictures, I begin to actually make contact with my own higher self. And once you get the hang of it you don't need the picture.

[The AlphaOmega]

Boydster, thank you so much.  You are the first so far to genuinely give advice and some guidance, and not simply warnings.  I know from your previous posts that you take this seriously, and my respect lies in that, honestly.  I hope I do not sound arrogant, but I might, and if so I appologize.  Kundalini is a prospect for me... an option, not a necessity.  I have read many many books to help me on my journey (ET-book of mormon, bible, nurmerous works on buddhism, countless authors on OBE, etc).  My point is this...
I speak to my higher self almost on a daily basis.  The spirit never rejects me, but some days I simply don't try.  I am FULLY in touch with God and my soul and have complete faith in both.  Likewise, I have been doing NEW for many years, and inducing energy within myself is effortless (takes 5-10 seconds to make any part of my body activily energetic).  I greatly appreciate ALL the advice given, but I assure you, knowing myself better than anyone, that I am prepared for the work and suprises that will come to me as I seek a higher level of my own spirituality (OBE or not).  I feel that every post has helped me much, but to further my progression can only be made by myself.  I encourage and hope that any more insights will be shared in this post, for I will check it regularly, and take it to heart... however from this point on I will take the info I have and venture out on my own.  THANK YOU ALL!!!!

[Kalonek]

quote:Originally posted by boydster


Kalonek,

I think you have an extremely healthy and realistic outlook on this. Not only that, you have a plan, and a track record of executing on it. Anyone with the discipline to do NEW daily for 1.5 years (along with any other disciplines I don't know about) is on the right track. Just hold on to your goal and desire it for the right reasons and you will not be denied. Believe me, you DO want to have the benefit of purifying your physical and spiritual bodies with milder forms of spiritual fire before you experience the initiation of Kundalini.

Thank you for your kind words boydster ! It gives me a lot of courage to continue on this way ! And indeed, i do want some spiritual and energetic purifying before atempting this It's why i said i still have about 10 years to train using NEW on the secundary and primary circuit. I want it to be able to recieve kundalini without to much problems, and if possible gradually.

Thank you also for your explanations, they are very useful ! This is definitely some text to print and read 2 times a day If you have any more things to share with us on this great experience, i look forward for them !

Thank you again !

Kalonek

[boydster]

OK dudes, here's an interesting little exercise which can help on this path--

Do you ever wake up in the middle of the night with a monster erection? A whole bunch of sexual energy has created a pool in that region and seeks expression. It is an energy which I would classify as very similar to Kundalini. Next time this happens, see if you can quickly pull all that energy up into your crown or brow chakra. The effect is that the erection dies in no time, along with any erotic feelings or fantasies. And the light can be felt rushing up the spine and creating a burning/humming feeling in the target chakra. Keep your attention on the target chakra for as long as you want, the longer the better. This is something which will help step up the overall light carrying/handling capacity of the chakras and will serve to clear out obstructions along the spine which would otherwise need to get run over by the freight train of the Kundalini.

This exercise will also serve to help you avoid a somewhat dangerous pitfall on the path. For those who are unprepared and who experience Kundalini awakenings, one bad thing that can happen is the rushing in of the fire to the lower chakras responsible for appetites such as sex. They get locked into a resistless riptide of sexual fantasy/fulfillment which is like a nightmarish "merry go round". This goes for any of the lower appetites if they are not conquered before the initiation of raising of the Mother Light.

If you can train yourself to be able to remove your attention and interest from any desire via your will, you will be immune to one of the pitfalls of this path. Practice this and see if you can turn the trick in less than 30 seconds. It is more intense than NEW activity on the the chakras though in my experience, so be careful and don't go nuts. Be nice to yourself.

[Kalonek]

quote:Originally posted by boydster

OK dudes, here's an interesting little exercise which can help on this path--
[...]
Do you ever wake up in the middle of the night with a monster erection?

LOL the beginning surprised me ;P However thank you very much for this information, i'll try it as soon as i get into ... condition Is it useful to direct this energy to zones of energy blockages ? For example i still got some difficulties to activate my heart chakra, feels kind of "rusty", though you said it was necessary to prepare for kundalini. Could this help ? Or what is your technic of meditation to open it ? Thanks

Kalonek

[boydster]

Yeah, it seems a little vulgar, but I just didn't know how else to say it...

I think that raising this fire to the heart chakra will definitely quicken things. It will spin the chakra faster which has an action kind of like throwing off density. My heart chakra is one that I've had to work the hardest at too. That and the throat.

Another approach which I recommend involves pulling light down from the higher self. Within the heart chakra is a chamber within which is terminated a type of cord similar to the crystal cord that AP'ers see. But this one leads from the heart of ones higher self down to this heart chamber and it supplies us with a type of spiritual light which we need to live. So in the place where this cord of light terminates there is a little flame. It has intelligence and consiousness and is a small portion of the essence of your higher self.

When you meditate on your heart chakra and you acknowledge this link with the ocean of light above, it amplifies the connection, the stream of light descending and also the amount of cosmic consciousness you have. You can get into a feedback loop where you feel joy and love and gratitude for the connection which ascends up to your higher self, who then responds by sending down to you greater light, love and understanding. You can get very, very high doing this. And it also serves to wash away debris and blockages from the heart chakra also.

There is another by product of this though, and it's one of the things which I feel is wrong with just focusing on the Kundalini alone. The heart meditation I described above transforms your chakras in another peculiar way. You see, the light descending from above is (from within the framework of this discussion) masculine in polarity. The Kundalini is feminine in polarity. If you can nurture the relationship with the higher self first, it serves to make your chakras kind of like magnets which can pull energy from either direction. And it appears that this magnetic power, which could possibly be termed "divine love" is what alchemically magnetizes the mother light up the spine in what I would term a natural, safe Kundalini awakening.

I'm not sure if this is very clear. But I would say that anyone who wants to get deep into this mystical path and reach the highest peak of their spiritual abilities in this life should spend as much time as possible cultivating this vertical relationship with ones higher self. Do it until your heart literally burns and burns with (spiritual) flame. If you approach it from this angle, the Kundalini thing will just fall into place.

[Targa]

Boydster:  You are a master of eloquence!  As I read your posts, having just raised kundalini a little while ago for the first time, I actually got a head-rush and my whole scalp was tingling.  A few comments:

quote:and the feminine aspect of the personality of God ascends up the spinal stalk to reunite with her lord, the masculine aspect of God in the crown chakra.

This really hit me as being so true for me personally.  I'll explain this in a minute...as it ties in with something else you said:

quote:I would, however, say that one who has mastered Kundalini in past lives has probably formed for himself a set of physical/spiritual bodies (this time) which are capable of somewhat greater ease and eficacy at doing it again. Spiritual mastery is at least semi-permanent. The soul remembers the path, and each new set of bodies are the product of past good karma and attainment.

A couple of hours ago, I was reading an older thread regarding kundalini, and decided, "what the heck, let me try this" (crazy, right?).  Keep in mind that I discovered this website and NEW energy ways only 1 week ago at most.  In the other thread, Robert Bruce was saying that it's quite probably impossible to raise kundalini if you don't have enough control to consciously OBE (which I haven't done yet), and of course all the usual warnings were given, etc...so it seems like it would be "impossible" for me to do it, right?  Wrong!  The first thought in my head as I was reading everything was, "No two people are alike, and nothing is impossible.

So anyway...on to what I was going to say.  As I'm raising energy, I'm getting really "spacey" and out of nowhere I ask for help from Ra and Isis!  Where the heck did that come from?  If anything, I would be considered Christian, and I have no knowledge about Egyptian religious beliefs.  *boggle*  The only thing I can think of is that I intuitively connected with a past incarnation from Egypt.  And the most awesome thing is that THEY CAME!  Ra placed his hand on my head, and Isis stood behind me, holding me to her breast.  I wept.  Isis stroked my hair as the white serpent unwound around my spine.  I see your statement (feminine aspect) has a specific relevance for me, as I had to surrender my "maleness" and embrace my feminine side before the serpent emerged.  But more specifically, it's notable that Isis was pressed against my spine and Ra had his hand on my crown chakra, just as you stated...the feminine rising to meet the masculine in the crown chakra.  Other than your explanation about preparing in past lives, I have no way of explaining how a 1-week crash-course on the chakras and the energy body can result in me raising kundalini.  And to top it all off, I have no ill effects (as of yet).  The only effect that I noticed was that I was stumbling around like a drunken sailor for about 10 minutes.  My body felt as if it was being pulled around by "gravitational anomalies" is the best way I can describe it.

quote:the issue is that within the base chakra is a chamber which is sealed in 7 sheaths and within them is the serpent fire.

Yes, yes, and yes!  This is experienced (or was, by myself at least) almost exactly as would be expected.  Namely:  Normally, over the last week, when pouring alot of energy into the root chakra I would feel it on the perineum.  And indeed, I felt it tonight most keenly.  I pumped up so much juice that it felt like my perineum was sitting on a stove!  But as soon as those 7 sheaths broke....viola!  Pumping energy into the root chakra no longer affected the perineum, but sent energy up the spine.  I hate to put it this way...(but hopefully we can all be adults about this), but once the sheaths broke, when I pumped energy into the root chakra, it felt like I had a 2-inch (or so) diameter "energy snake" entering my anus.  My point is, the chakra is based in the tailbone, and when the 7 sheaths break, now energy shoots toward the spine rather than "spinning" on the perineum.  Either that or there's just a "focus shift" for that chakra.

I have to admit that I'm not sure yet exactly what happened, and I certainly don't feel "enlightened", and I didn't experience "energy body orgasms", so perhaps it wasn't a "full kundalini release".  I can detail the entire process I went through if anyone is interested in how I did it.  But before anyone says "Well, then that wasn't kundalini", let me say this:

1.  I distinctly felt like I a had a snake wrapped around my spine, and had to massage my back afterwards, because it felt like a boa constrictor had been squeezing my spine.

2.  Up until the point of activation, sending energy into my root chakra only resulted in (at most) a burning sensation in the perineum.  Once this was activated, every time I pumped energy into the root chakra I felt it spiral around my spine and enter my brain!  ie: little or no sensation in the root chakra, but flashes of white light and PAINS in my brain. It literally felt like every time I pumped energy in, I was in danger of having my skull split open.

3.  I had what Robert Bruce calls "The medusa effect".  ie:  First I felt like a worm had grown out of my skull.  Then another.  Then it felt as if the top of my skull wasn't even there, and where my hair used to be was now "wiggly worms".

If there's another explanation for what happened, I'd like to hear it.  Felt like a snake to me, and felt like kundalini to me.  I believe thet everyone's experiences are different, and no one can tell you "This is what you'll feel or experience".

I should also state, just for the record:

1.  I couldn't care less about "getting attention" from people on an internet forum.  This is not a bid for anything.

2.  Ego involvement at this time is as near zero as it's been in my entire 45 years of life.

3.  I'm a healthy skeptic, and highly logical and analytical, and almost never get emotional.

EDIT:  Let me state here that when I asked for Ra's help, I visualized him standing in front of me.  My "third eye" was not seeing things, and I did not see them with my physical eyes either.  He put his hand on my head, and Isis appeared behind me and hugged me <-- those things happened "spontaneously" (ie: I didn't visualize them first).  Figured I better add this before someone thinks I'm seeing Gods and Godesses walking around my house! []

I will try to find time to raise kundalini again either tomorrow morning or tomorrow night, and report back with my results, as well as any physical/emotional/mental effects I might be experiencing.  (it took me over 2 hours to do it)

P.S.  It really feels like that snake cracked my spine!  Neck was hurting a bit also, and my ears are burning now.

[boydster]

Hey Targa!!

Congratulations!! I loved your post too. It's funny how these experiences cause one to think in such a poetic way. There is drama and allegory to this stuff for certain. I completely believe in the personages and help you cite.

I think you're at a great time in your life for this experience. I was 24 when it started up for me. I was ready in many respects but I have to believe that it's harder for a younger person. The reason I say this is that (as you'll find out in the coming weeks and months) the serpent fire enlarges and enhances everything about you--intellect, sensitivity, spiritual abilities, etc. But it also magnifies the problems also. That is one of the main pitfalls. So if you take the average person in their late teens or early twenties, there are a lot of things that they just haven't mastered yet. One is appetites of the body, including sexual appetites. Another is pride or fear or idolatry or self esteem issues, etc., etc.

For the first couple of years that I was regularly doing my little Kundalini meditations, I faced those things in myself and I had to smarten up and get control of the faculty of my attention fairly quickly and learn to discipline that faculty. Like, if you are having a kind of sucky day and you say so, and *feel* it, well, things can get a lot worse very soon. You can get feelings and phrases orbiting around your aura pretty quickly to the point that you are obsessed with it. You may think I'm overstating things here, but a person who has this enormous creative fire coursing around in his body can, if unguarded, spiral into a suicidal state pretty quickly.

Depression, anger, fear, pride, idolatry, (there's more I'm sure) you've got to cultivate the ability to instantly withdraw your attention and agreement with these states. And frankly, most people indulge themselves in these things. They give themselves outright permission to have periods of wallowing in these emotional states. That's one of the very largest pitfalls to this deal.

Don't be in a hurry....you've got a lifetime to build on this. Be nice to your body. I've been doing this for 20 years now on an a very regular basis--that's thousands of Kundalini meditations spread over years and years. There's no way that I'd want to compress any of that into a shorter time for the sake of quick results. And don't give up on NEW--even with all that I've been through I've become of very big fan of NEW. I just never realized such an obtuse thing as pulling prana in through your feet and hands. I'm really grooving on it.

Another thing, I smiled when I read Roberts assertion that anyone who can't do conscious exit obe's probably can't do a Kundalini raising. Like you said, everyone is different. We all have our own unique mix of momentums and gifts and specialties. I had a conscious obe when I was 3 years old--and none since then. I have no idea why. It's not something that I've spent much time on though either. My teachers placed no importance on it. For me it was 1. conquer my lower appetites and urges, 2. form a mighty union with my higher self, 3. serve life by helping others whenever possible. From this has grown joy and the fulfillment of all my needs and the attainment necessary for all challenges. This sometimes does include special powers and cool, cosmic experiences. But that's not the real point. It's not the end. For me the end is fulfilling the potential of my soul and graduating to the next big thing.

[Targa]

Morning After Reflections:

Back is very painful this morning.  I do have a back injury, so it's difficult to tell where this leaves off and the aftereffects of the white snake begin, but it seems much worse than is usual.

Have a sense that life is an illusion, or like a movie...but not in my head, in my vision.  ie:  It seems like only what I see with my eyes is "real", and everything not in my line-of-sight is "the universe".  Hard to explain...  Imagine you're floating in the cosmos, and with your eyes you can "peek" into the 3rd dimension through a small hole in the fabric of space.  Behind, above, below, and to the sides, 3-D reality just "isn't there", because I'm not looking at it.  Very weird sensation.

I feel as if my energy body is no longer contained within my physical body's boundaries.  It feels as though my energy body is stretched to the far limits of the universe and all other dimensions and planes of existence.  It feels stretched and thin.  I tried to send healing energy to my wife and children.  Not alot, just about "4 breaths" each.  By the time I was on child number four, I felt totally depleted and weak.  (Interesting to note here that during energy raising to awaken kundilini I had to stop periodically to rest and allow "expansion" of my energy body.  I felt it was sort of like stretching a balloon; I had to fill it up, stretching it to capacity, then had to wait for the "skin" to normalize before I could begin expanding it again.)

I'm still feeling what I can only describe as "energy waves".  As I sit here writing, it feels as if I'm sitting in the ocean and waves of energy are hitting me from behind.  I can literally feel my energy body rocking forward and backwards.  Feels sorta like my energy body is "breathing" in and out, and I can feel that movement.

It seems to me that I overextended my energy body, sorta like running a marathon when being out of shape, but forcing yourself to finish through sheer willpower.  Other than that and the back pains, I observe no ill effects.  I don't believe I've gone insane or anything. []

Boydster:  I agree with you totally about younger people being ill-prepared to deal with something like this.  No disrespect intended, as I have children of my own, but they need time to deal with their emotions, desires, ego, etc... just as you mentioned.  I would not wish them an extra burden on top of that.

I'm by no stretch of the imagination an expert on this, but I think it's of vital importance for those considering awakening kundilini to ask themselves what their motivations are.  If it's for "power", psychic abilities, or things of that nature then it's a safe bet that it's Ego talking and not the "real person".  All emotional baggage, psychological problems, material desires, etc... should all be dealt with before even considering this.  It reminds me of a Jack Nicholson line in that Marine movie (I forget the title), "You want the truth?  You can't handle the truth!".  People need to seriously ask themselves:  "Am I willing to give up everything and follow a higher path?"  This reminds me of something I think Jesus said, "You must lose your life in order to gain it" (or some such thing).  I have no idea what the repercussions of my awakening the kundilini force might be, but I can sense that something essential has changed inside of me.  Long-term effects remain to be seen.

Interestingly, today I am not so eager to try to raise kundilini again.  I think my intuition is telling me that I need to rest my energy body.  Always trust your intuition!

quote:But that's not the real point. It's not the end. For me the end is fulfilling the potential of my soul and graduating to the next big thing.

We're on the same page with regard to this.  I've left behind my desire for material things, psychic powers, etc.  The only motivation I have right now is to fulfill my higher purpose in this incarnation.

I will continue to do the NEW exercises, thanks. []  It's nice to be able to connect with someone with experience when entering "unknown territory".  So your advice is to put a tight lid on emotions, feelings, and thoughts?  Try to sublimate the ego and just be the Observer?  As I said above, I have no idea what the possible effects or repercussions might be in trying to live with this.  It's always good to be forewarned on what to expect.

Do you visualize the heart chakra as green?  I know this is traditional, but some people say the healing energy from the heart is pink.  I also read one story where a woman with clairvoyant capabilities said that on some people she sees a pink center in the green heart chakra.  Just curious, and I am going to use your technique of visualizing that pocket and cord in the heart chakra to the higher self.

One other thing:  I won't quote your entire message here, but this is in regard to your earlier post about mastering the kundilini in past lives.  Is it your opinion then that the commonly held belief regarding awakening kundilini means an end to reincarnational cycles is incorrect?  Or are you perhaps saying that kundilini was awakened but not mastered (or enlightenment reached) in past lives?

EDIT:  You stated that you raised K to different chakras.  Would you suggest this as a normal path to take rather than always raising it to the crown chakra?  Next time, should I try to raise it to the heart chakra, do you think?  Or third eye?

[Kalonek]

Hello everyone !
Well Targa i'm so jalous (jk ) but also so happy for you ! You had definitely some unknown faculties for this ! I look forward to read the next days and weeks of results to this experience. Would you mind to post any strange things that happens to this because of Kundalini, so that we can have a real-time basis of observation ? it would be great !

Well, it looks like i'm the only basic NEW adept here, without any K raising lol I feel small Nevertheless i still prefere to wait before atempting this, i feel i still got more training to do.

I just canted to confirm your technic boydster, it is REALLY effective (the one about the night monster ... ) I woke up twice in this case tonight and immediately did what you explained : i had a real lot of sexual energy, i could feel it clearly, almost like a physical liquid in my 2nd chakra. I pulled it up to my crown chakra by my spine, and i really felt the energy flowing to the top of my head. The sexual arousal was totally gone in less than 15 secondes, and i felt my crown chakra to be mildly stimulated, in a gentle way. I did it again the 2nd time but with my heart chakra. The whole thing was less intese so i get smaller results, but i'm looking forward for other experiences of this kind !
So thanks again for your technic

[Targa]

Kalonek:  That's interesting!  I think I will start using Boydster's technique in this regard also.  And no, I don't mind at all keeping everyone updated on my experiences and the effects this has.  I think it will be useful to the Forum Community to hear about exactly what happens to me because of this.  I will say that right now (mid-afternoon of Day 1 after K awakening) that I have felt "odd" all day.  I injured my lungs somehow during the trance.  I was doing lots of deep breathing and using it to direct energy in time with my breath, and a few times I think I was almost hyperventilating.  I guess my lungs aren't used to a 2-hour workout!

I did a little chakra stimulation about an hour ago, and sent some energy to my heart and brow chakras, and got tired very quickly.  My back is still very painful.  Will post updates with any new insights/information/symptoms as it comes.

EDIT:  Let me also mention that I have had lower-back surgery, having 2 disks removed and my spine fused.  Then I got hit in the back with a forklift at work which broke the spinal fusion loose.  I have so far refused to go for more corrective surgery.  I have also had severe whiplash as a teenager and didn't realize it at the time and therefore never got it treated.  This resulted in frequent neck pains and pinched nerves, and a subsequent X-ray revealed that instead of a curved neck my spine is now almost completely vertical in the neck.  The point is this:  Neither of these "damages" to my physical body affected my ability to awaken or raise kundilini. (I have seen this question asked elsewhere, so figured I'd answer it definitively here)