Entity Identification

[McArthur]

Hello Silversunset,
                    how to discern what type entity it is... ok well there are various options. Shamans might call them "Power Animals", Magicians/Witches call them "Familiars", The Irish refer to "the little people", or perhaps a "spirit guide" (but you say its not) or an Elemental or a Thoughtform or an astral shell or one of the various Astral Wildlife that Robert Bruce talks about at this link: http://www.astralpulse.com/articles/robert/articles_1.htm

Finding a catagory for various Inorganic Beings is no easy task. The first thing to find out is whether its helpful/neutral/unhelpful/not nice.   From what you say it seems willing to be helpful but you also say it is "attached", what do you mean by that?

Other questions i would ask myself is;

1. Does it respect my wishes (i.e. goes away when asked to.)
2. What does it want from me?
3. Why is it contacting me?

etc.

You say you have dealt with not-so-nice entities so do you feel this one is a more positive one?

you also say:

quote:
i have dreamt of it, and in this dream it appeared to me as a female human, bird, rat-like, dog/wolf like. it can change 'shape' like this in my waking state as well, however it is not a "shapeshifter" - it physically is all of these creatures that it morphs into.

Physically? Could you explain more what you mean by that? A lot of astral entities can change shape due to the fluid nature of the astral and is fairly common. And some can/will take a shape of things gleamed from the mind of the person they contact.

Also have you read "The Art of Dreaming" by Carlos Castenda? There are some parts in there you may find interesting and/or useful about his encounters with Inorganic Beings. You can get a free copy here: http://www.voidspace.org.uk/psychology/download.shtml

So would you mind sharing some of these chanelled notes you have?

[Silversunset]

ok McArthur - thanks for being the ONLY person who replied...*sigh*
well i'll try to answer your q's best i can, here goes:

quote: The first thing to find out is whether its helpful/neutral/unhelpful/not nice. From what you say it seems willing to be helpful but you also say it is "attached", what do you mean by that?

well Neena seems to be helpful. the impressions i get from her are most always postive, and the rare negative ones i have gotten came when we were in a dangerous situation and they were directed towards the things that were threatening us. when i say "attached" i simply meant that she favors me above others.

quote:1. Does it respect my wishes (i.e. goes away when asked to.)
2. What does it want from me?
3. Why is it contacting me?

1. as long as it isn't dangerous for me (or her) to do so, yes, she does what i ask.
2. from what i can tell it wants nothing really FROM me....however until i know what she is i can't be sure.
3. i honestly don't know yet.

quote:Physically? Could you explain more what you mean by that?

basically she IS a wolf/dog and she IS a rat-thing, and she IS a human. she cannot change into what she is not - therefore she cannot just make herself a cat or a butterfly. i have a theory that i have been toying with about what she is. Basically, if my dreams are glimpses of past lives, then she was with me IN those past lives. my theory is this: she is some sort of extention of me, and if not then she is some ... entity ... that has found me useful or pleasent or something. in the beginning she WAS one animal, such as a wolf/dog and then in my NEXT life she was a rat-thing, but could change between the dog and rat, and then in the next life she was a bird, but could change between rat-thing, wolf/dog and bird. catch my drift? that's how she seems to operate with her changing.

basically, for the notes (which are mostly things that would make no sense to anyone but me) she says things like "listen to me and i can help you" and "i can teach you how to ______" or "I've seen Nana and she is well" (nana being my great-grandmother who died when i was 5) ... stuff like that.

does this help any??

[Nagual]

quote:thanks for being the ONLY person who replied...*sigh*

I did not reply since I have no real answers to your question...  And I am sure it's the same for most people.

Anyway here's a few questions for you (and for it if you wanna ask him):
Did it ask you to do things on its own?
Did it ask for help with something?
Did it introduced some of its "friends" to you?
Did it show you his home world?
Did it offer to teach you things in exchange of something (like energy) from you?

But, personaly, I like freedom; so a "parasite", even an apparently friendly one, is a no no for me.  Especially if it avoids to answer why it sticks with you...  If you ask something about your safety and you get no clear answer, imagine the worst case answer...

It's up to you but, personaly, I would "push him against the wall" with specific questions and, if I get no clear answers, I would clearly state that this relation is over...

[McArthur]

Hi Sunset,
         just a quick post for now because i have to go do stuff. In what way do you communicate with her i.e. is it just in dreams or more than that? How long have you known she is there? I see from your site you go Ghost hunting in graveyards etc, do you know any basic Psychic self-defense techniques in case you pick up a stray astral shell?
Here's more about astral shells (or one view):

http://www.clairvision.org/CKB/CKBB/CKBB_000_218/Index.html

check out the entity FAQ as to why you may come across them in Graveyards.

(And a quick link from another Adams fan: http://www.empirenet.com/~dljones/  and also whats wrong with the Dark Tower series?! its one of Kings best! [] )

[Mystic Cloud]

quote:Originally posted by Nagual

quote:thanks for being the ONLY person who replied...*sigh*

But, personaly, I like freedom; so a "parasite", even an apparently friendly one, is a no no for me.  Especially if it avoids to answer why it sticks with you...  If you ask something about your safety and you get no clear answer, imagine the worst case answer...

It's up to you but, personaly, I would "push him against the wall" with specific questions and, if I get no clear answers, I would clearly state that this relation is over...

I would also 'push it against the wall'. I would myself never trust someone who appears as a guide and does not 'emit' a feeling of love/Being one with Nature. I've also noticed that egos/Negs try to get my perspective to change about some guides I have. They try to 'mask' as them and then give me all perverted negative thoughts.

[Silversunset]

youguys just dont get the point.
She's not evil - she's not a parasite. i always get an answer from her, other than 'who are you.' she seems like she wants to tell me, but can't. i was just looking for help to see if anyone had heard of something like that, because i hadn't.

mcarthur - i know plenty about protecting myself, and have been doing it for a while. i didn't pick up a stray anywhere....

another thing that speaks in her behalf - my rat died recently - this rat was VERY special, i.e. he could see things and would respond to them. he also had a musical prefrence and knew when i was hurt or sad even if i wasn't home (meaning when i was at college 40 miles away) and hadn't been for a while. he is very picky when it comes to people he likes and doesn't, and he has fallen for this one. he's not yet passed onto whatever it is he's meant to go to, he is sticking around - partially for me and partially for morgan. when he is not with me or morgan, he is with Neena. this speaks volumes for her, since he will NOT go with anyone/thing he thinks is dangerous or gets icky feelings about.

[Tayesin]

Hi Silver,
Who is Neena ?  Is this the name you have for this being ?  The feeling I get is that she/it is no harm to you, and is a helper/guide.  The ability to change shape is the same for all us Souls and may well not mean anything other than her trying to jog your Soul memory.  She has obviously helped you and as you say she was with you in previous times, so I feel she is here again to help you come to know who and what you are, in the bigger picture.

Who or what she is seems less important if you feel she is a helper, and if you feel her care/love for you.  She may want to help you reach higher awarenesses.  You will have made a contract with her before coming to this world again, so why not ask her what her task is with you this time ?

Love Always.[]

[McArthur]

quote:Originally posted by Silversunset

youguys just dont get the point.
She's not evil - she's not a parasite. i always get an answer from her, other than 'who are you.' she seems like she wants to tell me, but can't. i was just looking for help to see if anyone had heard of something like that, because i hadn't.

Well it certainly sounds like what is called a "Familiar". And some Familiars are like pets, they need to be fed. Either way i certainly wasn't trying to hint that what you are in contact with is "evil". Just providing various options of what she may be, which i believe is what you asked for.

quote:
mcarthur - i know plenty about protecting myself, and have been doing it for a while. i didn't pick up a stray anywhere....

Of course you did, you picked up Neena. Was it you who chose to contact her or the other way around?

Anyway i was just offering you various bits of information that may be related because you asked. You then complain you only had one reply and now seem to be complaining about the replies. Anyway, i hope your relationship with Neena turns out for the good.
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[Moonburn33]

what she's complaining about is the fact that you people have obviously had no real experience with anything other than your own imaginations.

[Tayesin]

quote:Originally posted by Moonburn33

what she's complaining about is the fact that you people have obviously had no real experience with anything other than your own imaginations.

Hi,
May I ask who is anyone to say what is real for another person, or what their experience is worth ?

This thread is exactly what was sought by Silver Sunset, various perceptions of a specific situation.  

Sometimes feelings get frazzled in large forum populations.  So it is up to each of us to discipline ourselves.  And we all slip up somtimes, I sure do.

Love Always.[]

[glassmtn]

higher self?

[McArthur]

quote:Originally posted by Moonburn33

what she's complaining about is the fact that you people have obviously had no real experience with anything other than your own imaginations.

And what exactly is this post of yours offering to the thread apart from ad hominem?

[Moonburn33]

silver is kind of my girlfriend.

i hope that you'd listen to me if i told you to look out while walking out into busy traffic.  what is real can be answered- it just involves brain power and an ability to look beyond one's own fantasies.

[Nagual]

quote:what is real can be answered

And...?  Can you explain everything?

quote:you people have obviously had no real experience with anything other than your own imaginations.

Really?  Man, thanks for pointing that to me.

So what are you two, with real experience, doing on this forum if we are all a useless bunch of people imaginating stuff...?
And so why do you complain that ("thanks for being the ONLY person who replied...*sigh*") nobody answered your questions?

It just annoys me when people ask for help and, if the help they recieve is not good enough, just "insult" and complain.  If you don't like it, just ignore it.  No need to become aggressive...  [B)]

[Moonburn33]

i or silver may not have a taxonomy of every class of entity, but we know what isn't true.  SHE was looking for valid, sound advice.  when she got a whole bunch of junk about higher selves, guides and familiars i got frustrated.  when someone started to get snotty, i got angry.  this is her thing, not mine.  

everything can be explained- if people weren't to take such a passive stance with intellect.

[Nagual]

So, you guys don't know what this entity is; but do know what it's not...  Interesting...

Your friend talks about Past Life and say "although i have yet to really discover any past lives other than those from the dreams."  Only from dreams???  That's not a great example...

She met an entity and you expect people to tell you what it is precisely when you yourself don't know...?  Like there is only one possibility with such cryptic description...

quote:what is real can be answered- it just involves brain power and an ability to look beyond one's own fantasies.
everything can be explained- if people weren't to take such a passive stance with intellect.

You just throw this, but it does not mean anything.
You did not answer my question which was "Can you explain everything?"  Of course you can't.  So what's the point?

Man, you two need to come down from your throne or something. [|)]

[Moonburn33]

a.  yes, we do know what it isn't- it's called ruling out possibilities.
b.past lives, if they exist at all are lodged deeply in the subliminal parts of the mind.  i would expect any first inkling of a past life to appear as dream related phenomena first, before any other experiences.  it's a stellar example and a common one.

she wasn't looking for precision, only sanity.  and it was only cryptic to you.

why did you even bother to ask me if i could explain everything?  that's like asking a tractor truck driver if he could drive the crawler that transports the space shuttles in america;  or if he could do doughnuts in his truck.  your question seemed diversionary and it exemplified the cursory look that you gave my post.  
what i said meant a lot- you just lack the attention span to think it out.  throwing the concept of "everything" out there to bewilder the reader's mind is a cheap tactic at best.  by stating the all at once scenario you are calling attention away to the fact that knowledge is gained in a slow, piecemeal (spell) fashion.  by my stating that knowledge can be explained in the inpersonal sense, i was applying it to myself and everyone else.  i was being broad.  
what i don't get is how you think you can smugly state all of the points of what i said in some vain effort to outsmart or upstage me.  don't bother.  i'm on my throne for a reason- you won't win.

[Moonburn33]

having said this- if you want to argue further (i thrive on it) i suggest that we do this in private message- so as to keep the general forum out of it.  

if you are as tired of this as i am then i will graciously admit that i was being a viscious, petty dork and call it a truce so we can get on to the original topic.

[Nagual]

quote:past lives, if they exist at all are lodged deeply in the subliminal parts of the mind. i would expect any first inkling of a past life to appear as dream related phenomena first, before any other experiences. it's a stellar example and a common one.

So that's your example of "involves brain power and an ability to look beyond one's own fantasies."?  I am not impressed.

quote:she wasn't looking for precision, only sanity.

Really?  So why did she say: "if anyone has any ideas as to what i have become friends with, i'd appreciate it. I have yet to fully understand what he/she/it is, and any ideas would be useful."?

quote:why did you even bother to ask me if i could explain everything? ... throwing the concept of "everything" out there to bewilder the reader's mind is a cheap tactic at best.

Because, when you claimed "what is real can be answered", it implies everything...  And in the following reply you say: "everything can be explained".

quote:i'm on my throne for a reason- you won't win.

That's a great challenge!  I like to go after people who are more clever than me... [|)]

quote:if you want to argue further (i thrive on it) i suggest that we do this in private message

I must confess; I am like a mirror.  Nice to nice people, aggressive to aggressive people...  I am not trying to convince you; I don't care at all about you, so forget about private messaging.  I was just barking back. []

But, as you said, people might get bored; so I shall accept your truce.

[Moonburn33]

good- cause i know that we could go on for months- which would be completely unproductive in everyone's case.

my impressions of this entity are as follows:

she has yet to demonstrate her full abilities, but i am assuming that she is quite advanced- due to the ability of her/it to manipulate my girlfriend's dreams, keep powerful entities at bay and help her rat adjust to the "other side." i also think that she's a genuine entity- neither fully bad or good.  she has her impatient moments and her wise moments- just like everyone else; this should be taken into account.

i read yesterday that most negative entities will do that odd strobing phenomena to move.  she does this when she feels like it, but she can move "normally" if she wishes.  the strobing is more for effect.

[Moonburn33]

there's more, but let's start with that

[Silversunset]

don't misread Moonburn on the strobing part.
It only really 'appears' as strobing - the reason is that she can move slightly faster than is normal and it comes across as looking like strobing...partially because i see her the most at night and my eyes are crappy (i tend to not wear my glasses when i am doing this stuff - especially outside, they just fog up)

and just to make it known that i'm not a wimp:

quote:So, you guys don't know what this entity is; but do know what it's not... Interesting...

Last i checked this was called "Process of Elimination"

quote:She met an entity and you expect people to tell you what it is precisely when you yourself don't know...?

yes. hence the coming on here and asking for help from those i thought know what they were talking about.

end of argument. no more fighting, it's ridiculous.

[McArthur]

Perhaps it would help then if you gave us a list of what you think this entity *is not*. And btw, even lower-astral entities can manipulate dreams. A succubus is one example and Robert Bruce gives other examples of Dream Intrusion in his Psychic Self Defense book. So just because it can manipulate dreams does not mean it is "quite advanced". As far as entities are concerned one needs to learn to suppress ones desires (i.e. wanting it to be something it is not) because a lot of entities can become/pretend what you want them to be so long as you continue to feed them attention. I'm not saying this is what is happening in your case, just giving information learned from experience. I would also be hesitant to claim information given in dreams as past-life stuff.

[SpectralDragon]

Moonburn, it would seem that when your girlfriend asked for help, and was open for ideas, you came in and "closed the door" on her. She said any and all ideas were welcome.

All possibilities are true unless they are proven false, this is a simple and easy way to look at things, thus you simply need to test this entity using this manner and you will eventually find out what it is.

[Silversunset]

ok, so it is NOT (for sure):

• some sort of demon
• Parasite
• Shape-Shifter
• Spirit Guide
• Some sort of angelic being
• familiar
• my imagination

i was talking to "Crew" last night (group of friends who do this stuff on a daily basis) and one of them had brought up the fact that my ability to see 'water people' and 'dead people' was an interesting combination and she was able to do a type of ... i dunno exactly what it's called. she does this thing and gets impressions of you and your abilities and past lives and then comes up with where you may have first gotten the ability. The fun part is that one of the things she said was identical (no, not similar...it was dead on) to one of the recurring dreams i've been having lately.

also, I am not saying that because this entity is in my dreams then they MUST be past life dreams, but i'm not saying that's not true either. I don't often have recurring dreams, and when i do they either tell me something that is going to happen or something that has happened that i was unaware of - so i have learned to pay attention to a dream i have more than 4 times and can remember clearly. helpful?