Real-time Projection Into Space

[Nagual]

quote:I can't be more straight forward than that.

Yes, that's a bit too "straight forward"...

You base your proof of having an RTZ projection on spherical vision...
So, I asked you if you meant it's impossible to have spherical vision while APing?
You answer "I'm not saying anything that I haven't said" and that you only experienced spherical vision during real-time projections.
So, if it's not the case, I ask again what proof.
And you go back to the "spherical vision" proof...
A proves B because you only experienced A in B (which was proved by A).
Don't you agree something is wrong in your theory?

[Matthew Kingsley]

I get the feeling your not listening to me and your confused. Reread the
messages I've posted. If you still don't understand me, leave this topic
alone. This is a forum for "Memorable, unusual, and mystical Astral and
out-of-body experiences". Don't bother to further scrutinize me. There's
nothing wrong with my theory that spherical vision is only apparent in RTZ
projections and is absent in astral experiences ( including lucid dreams ).

I'm starting to understand that some people lack the ability to grasp and
understand these concepts regardless of how straight forward and clear I am.

Sincerely,

Matthew Kingsley
winterman@vif.ca

[Frequent Flier]

Matthew,


I don't understand how it can be so evident that spherical vision would take place in RTZ only.

Maybe it's your experience, but i don't know how you can say that it should be such an obvious thing..it isn't.

If you have a theory about it or if it's just your experience, please tell us..

[Nagual]

quote:Don't bother to further scrutinize me. There's
nothing wrong with my theory

Sorry, I have a bad habbit of trying to understand things too hard...
I will leave your thread alone.

[Matthew Kingsley]

Frequent Flier,

It's my experience and my theory that the real-time projected double is a body
separate from the functionality of the physical body. The same, the astral
body is a body separate from the functionality of the physical body. These
subtle bodies exist in dimensions with laws of physics differing from
each other. The mechanics of how each subtle body operates and perceives
is radically different than one another. For example the real time double
when projected into the real-time zone possesses spherical vision. This is a
hall-mark sign that the participant is using the real-time body to perceive.
Each subtle body has it's own unique attributes and functionality in it's
dimension of origin. I believe the physical body to behave like a focusing
lens and concentrate subtle body awareness- making up physical waking
reality. To prove this to you the best I can please imagine for a moment
a beautiful landscape. This is a reflection perception of your astral body
actively perceiving in it's dimension of origin - the astral dimension. It's
perception is intact while your wide awake. Aside from this I'd like to point
out that the real-time double has spherical vision as one of it's attributes.
This attribute is totally different than any of the other subtle bodies
because it resides in a dimension of it's own origin. When in your physical body
have you ever had the feeling someone was behind you and then felt their
hand on your shoulder? This could be the real-time double perceiving for you
behind yourself and telling you someone is behind you with a feeling and then
a presence with a hand on your shoulder. Robert Bruce believes that the etheric
body which is tightly enmeshed with it's physical counterpart generating subtle
bodies. I don't believe this. It's my experience that the etheric body acts
as a home base or interface to access and transfer awareness into the dimensions
of origin where other human related subtle bodies exist. This has been my
experience.

Sincerely, your friend,

Matthew Kingsley
winterman@vif.ca

[shedt]

I'm just curious though as too why so many people in the Astral and other dimensions can and have experienced spherical vision.

Are they imagining it then ?

[Matthew Kingsley]

Shedt,

If someone experiences spherical vision during an Astral Projection that
person *IS* imagining it. It has to do with the behavior of how the
astral body behaves in its dimension of origin. The astral body *IS* the body
of imagination. It's in fact imagining the behavior and attributes of the
real-time body in it's dimension of origin - the real time zone. I've
personally have never heard of this taking place, that is the astral body
possessing spherical vision. I would have to give an educated guess and
say it is possible but only as an imaginary dream like effect and reflecting
an imaginary thought form of how the real time body operates in it's
dimension of origin - the real time zone. I've used other subtle bodies
like the Mental body to perceive and travel and have never
observed spherical vision in that body, or for that fact any other than
the real time body.

Sincerely,

Matthew Kingsley
winterman@vif.ca

[darkangel13]

MK, I believe what you say about your experience, so don't think I'm shooting you down or anything, but what you said to Nagual was quite rude... If someone had said that to me I know I'd feel bad.  He/she was just trying to understand your theory on spherical vision.  I think you should apologize, but that's just me.
-Kristina

[shedt]

yeah, this is your theory. I did not think it was cool how they were judging you, but here you are saying things like sperical vision is only somthing that the real time body can do naturally.

if i learned anything in life, it is too not say that somthing is always absolute, or to think that my way, either it be thought thinking or belief, is the only way.

-thats my 2 cents

[Matthew Kingsley]

These forums have given me the ability to share with you all my life's work.
When I was a child I was taught how to meditate at a school teaching
experimental education and since then I've learned much about the nature
of our multi-dimensional human consciousness. I believe I was born to meditate
and understand enlightenment. This may sound far fetched but it's true.
Forgive me for being so straight forward but we need people in these forums
with real experience to share. This is what these forums are for. I've learned
many things from these forums and from other peoples work in related subjects.
If it wasn't for the work of Robert Bruce I would not be able to put into
words my experiences due to the lack of fully understanding the nature of the
etheric body which I was confused about until I read his book "Astral Dynamics"
. When I learn things from these forums it contributes to my understanding
of who I am and the nature of how I function as a whole. I need these forums
as much as I need the work of others to help me understand what I've experienced
during the course of my life. I'm greatfull for the work others share in these
forums, the books I've read, my own experience and the works of Robert Bruce.
Forgive me for any misunderstandings, my purpose here is to share what I know
and learn from others.

Sincerely, your friend,

Matthew Kingsley
winterman@vif.ca

[shedt]

Dear Matthew,

It's good to hear that you have lead a life so far that many of us did not have the chance to have.

Also it's nice of you to share your experiences, but just like anything in life you should not asume that your way or thought is the only way. You don't want to limit yourself...

[innerpilot]

Sometimes the compartmentalization of all these various bodies adds more confusion than clarity to the subject. Another possible scenario is that separation is an illusion; that projection is only possible because there is a unified field, a continuum of consciousness experiencing various frequencies so that it seems like there is a differetiation of bodies but in fact there is only one body continually expanding, and it's the limitation of our knowledge parameters that creates the illusion of separate bodies. By the way, I protest language that relegates dreaming to an inferior or less than real status.

[Matthew Kingsley]

I was a teenager when I began to get interested in projecting my real-time
body into space ( I called my real-time body my etheric body then ). On
one of my successful occasions I projected my real-time body directly into
space just outside the earths direct gravitational influence. I was looking
directly at mother earth when from my side a huge boulder sized piece of
space rock floated past. It hit the earths gravitational influence just
below my altitude and hit an impossible speed and began burning up. It looked
like the starship enterprise going into warp speed into earth atmosphere from
slow motion as it entered earths gravitational influence. This was one of my
most awe struck moments. From all around me I started noticing all kinds of
space debris, mostly rocks and boulders, float past and burn up in earths
atmosphere. I awoke thinking there's a lot of material entering earths
atmosphere and burning up.

On one other successful occasion I projected into deep space. The moment I
gazed into it's darkness I began feeling myself stretching in all directions.
Like I was expanding to find the walls of a room or the like. I couldn't
stand the feeling and I aborted the experience to awaken and vomit on my floor.
Some people say they can sustain their consciousness while in deep space. I
know I cannot be far away from mother earth without waking up sick to my
stomach. It's vast out there believe me.

Matthew Kingsley
winterman@vif.ca