Attention all Reptilian conspiracy theorists

[Moonburn33]

and the sun is eclipsed by the moon

[Eol007]

quote:Originally posted by Moonburn33

and the sun is eclipsed by the moon

Isn't it all cheese anyway... [][)][]

[Leyla]

EOL: It took me a minute to catch your joke -the moon being made of cheese.

MOONBURN- Funny you should bring up the topic of the eclipse.

BLACK MADONNA IN THE BIBLE

The Jews count days from sundown to sundown. Because Night came before the Day.

Example One: Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was without form and void. and darkness was upon the face of the deep And the spirit of god moved upon the face of the waters."

Example Two: Samson "the sun" and DeLila "the night." Keep in mind this story is in the Bible. It is not known for being goddess friendly.

There is only ONE circumstance in which the Night overtakes the Day, and that is the Solar Eclipse.

There are many old rock carvings of sun-faces with rays so long and wavy they could easily be taken for hair. Samson had his long hair (rays, sun beams) shorn off by Delila.

Solar Eclipse In Chinese Myth: "A dragon swallows the sun. The dragon has to chased away by beating of drums and shooting of arrows into the sky."

Solar Eclipse in African Myth: "A snake emerged from the ocean and grew so large that it moved to the sky and swallowed the sun." The snake can be scared by beating of drums.

But for goodness sake, she always gives him right back. Although he might need a cigarette afterward.

Female energy is consuming. Think of this in terms of sexual intercourse. She swallows him (phallis/sperm) into her darkness to create more life.

And even the pagan gods of the (pre-Islamic) middle east are centered quite plainly on eclipse myth:

Before they were Moslems, tribes worshipped Leyla (darkness/night) and Qays (god/idol.) Forbidden to see Leyla, Qays goes mad. His name is then changed to "Majnun" meaning "Wild Man." Like any other pagan forest god, he runs into the wilderness to live among the animals.

Here I have an excerpt of the tale. The writer spells out in plain language this is a Solar Eclipse myth.

1. Every morn Mejnun went forth to school
Where, freed of care, he mastered every rule.
2. With studied ease he followed all the lines
Of Leyla: never book marked love's confines.
3. His heart with pleasure sang when'er the day
He, like the sun, pursued his constant way.
4. At school a happiness he looked to find
The happiness of love, not yet unkind.
5. When passed the day that Leyla cameth not
The sun was darkened, tho' its rays were hot.
6. All sunless sped the day, and school, as night,
Fell dark and gloomy, darkened, without light.
7. He guessed that Fortune's cunning trickster hand
Had turned from him the pleasure he had planned.
8. The jealous gossips, so the thought was born,
Upon her petalled rose had cast a thorn.
9. With grief at heart and sorrow in his mind
He railed at Fortune, calling it unkind.
1O.'What evil have I done? What left undone,
To kill my soul by banishing the sun?
11.'What sin mine, that now, in sad eclipse,
Thou dashest wine of pleasure from my lips?

[SpectralDragon]

A star Dragon is supposed to be the equivalent of a seraphim, which is a galactic entity, which means they are galaxies in of themselves. this info I got from micheal, Kereen, and other spirits I have spoken to.

[Leyla]

Then I suggest you read the above again, very carefully. []

[SpectralDragon]

quote:Originally posted by Leyla

Then I suggest you read the above again, very carefully. []

I know, you basically said the same thing[] I was just putting it in much fewer words wich in my view is much easier to handle. Some people like long texts and some people like to the point. Now we have both [B)]

[Leyla]

So...you're saying the goddess is a galactic entity, a galaxy in of herself? Well. I suppose that's one way of seeing it.

I can summarize. It's very very simple.

God= The Sun.

All sun gods are born December 25th, on the winter solstice, when the days begin to grow longer.

Goddess= The Night, Draco "The Dragon"

The dark fertile womb, the dark fertile earth, the dark fertile creative chaos of space that scientists call "dark matter."

Thus patriarchal religions teach us to hate and fear the dark and the dragon, because these things belong to the goddess.

[SpectralDragon]

quote:Originally posted by Leyla

So...you're saying the goddess is a galactic entity, a galaxy in of herself? Well. I suppose that's one way of seeing it.

I can summarize. It's very very simple.

God= The Sun.

All sun gods are born December 25th, on the winter solstice, when the days begin to grow longer.

Goddess= The Night, Draco "The Dragon"

The dark fertile womb, the dark fertile earth, the dark fertile creative chaos of space that scientists call "dark matter."

Thus patriarchal religions teach us to hate and fear the dark and the dragon, because these things belong to the goddess.

Actually, I am saying that the so called "goddess" is a seraphim, a servant of god.

God=The universe, a being so vast and so complex mankind still cannot grasp understanding of him/her.

Also, the dragon is in of itself a sign of loyalty, courage, honor, and wisdom. There is no need to fear the dragon.

[volcomstone]

it actually depends on what culture you follow, in hinduism, woman is the sun and  man is the moon,

what it all seems to stem from is duality, which is why I think taoism doesn't need "gods" and "godesses" however taoism isn't exclusive and the concept of god can be incorperated into taoist philosophy

quote:I have read the family names listed as those of "Alien Blood," including the Bushes. Unless it was their intent to produce an enclave of incompetent learning disabled alcoholics then the breeding program should be dismantled post haste, because it is a pathetic failure

hahaah!, that's exactly what Im saying, how could bush be so damned evil? its not that hes a really sinister evil person, its just that he's too stupid and ignorant to be a good person!

but maybe its all an act, and he goes home everynight to practise sexmagick, along with the illuminati, and the nights templar, and the queen of england, and they drink the blood of innocents.


anyhow, scientifically speaking its not an impossiblity that some reptillian creatures evolved to become sentient, and with evolved chameleon skin  it would be very hard to find one, or a group (damn, if you want a challenge go try and find a bear, or a pack of wolves)

which of course also supports the bigfoot idea,


but what it all boils down to is this

Unity ---> duality --->trinity

[Leyla]

There is a God and a Goddess. A long time ago they had sex. Scientists call this "The Big Bang."

When we look at ancient peoples and their pantheistic religions we proclaim that their Gods were the product of ignorance. We picture dumb dark primitives bowing down to rocks. We are smug in our belief that truly advanced peoples know there is *Only One God.*

It's very difficult for someone raised in this westernized way of thinking to break out of it.

Consider, if you will, the Greeks. These were an advanced and civilized people. Inventors of art, architecture, philosophy, algebra, geometry, astronomy, politics and government. Were they "mere fools" with all their gods, or were they ahead of their time, like they were with every other human advancment?

The Laws of Nature are reflections of the Divine Laws and Principles which operate in a Higher Dimensional Plane behind those of our Physical Plane.

Simply put- If sex and gender exists here, it automatically means it exists out there.

All the forces in the universe work in balanced pairs: acids and bases, protons and electrons, from the tiny double helix of DNA swirling inside each living cell; to the polar magnetic forces that keep our entire galaxy spinning and suspended in perfect balance. The Goddess and God are divided for love's sake for the chance of union. This is the Great Mystery and the Source of all Life. When you see a cell divide, you have seen The Gods.

Spiritual perfection lies not in the absence of opposing forces but in the balance of them. But this does not mean a neutered she-male "it."

Certainly, the gods are one. When they're having sex.

[Leyla]

quote:Originally posted by volcomstone

it actually depends on what culture you follow, in hinduism, woman is the sun and  man is the moon,

Most cultures acnowledge the moon is female b/c it cycles every 28 days and so do women. It controls the tides and the female blood flow. Our modern electic lights have messed up our natural cycle, but among tribal people and the Amish, women still cycle every new moon. City women will cycle with the new moon, half moon or full moon.

Also many goddesses recieved a "sex change" when we switched from mother rule to father rule.

quote:but maybe its all an act, and he goes home everynight to practise sexmagick, along with the illuminati, and the nights templar, and the queen of england, and they drink the blood of innocents.

ROTFLMAO!

[SpectralDragon]

quote:Originally posted by Leyla

There is a God and a Goddess. A long time ago they had sex. Scientists call this "The Big Bang."

When we look at ancient peoples and their pantheistic religions we proclaim that their Gods were the product of ignorance. We picture dumb dark primitives bowing down to rocks. We are smug in our belief that truly advanced peoples know there is *Only One God.*

It's very difficult for someone raised in this westernized way of thinking to break out of it.

Consider, if you will, the Greeks. These were an advanced and civilized people. Inventors of art, architecture, philosophy, algebra, geometry, astronomy, politics and government. Were they "mere fools" with all their gods, or were they ahead of their time, like they were with every other human advancment?

The Laws of Nature are reflections of the Divine Laws and Principles which operate in a Higher Dimensional Plane behind those of our Physical Plane.

Simply put- If sex and gender exists here, it automatically means it exists out there.

All the forces in the universe work in balanced pairs: acids and bases, protons and electrons, from the tiny double helix of DNA swirling inside each living cell; to the polar magnetic forces that keep our entire galaxy spinning and suspended in perfect balance. The Goddess and God are divided for love's sake for the chance of union. This is the Great Mystery and the Source of all Life. When you see a cell divide, you have seen The Gods.

Spiritual perfection lies not in the absence of opposing forces but in the balance of them. But this does not mean a neutered she-male "it."

Certainly, the gods are one. When they're having sex.

Leyla I hate to say this, but you seem to assume that if their is gender down here that there is gender up there, you can't go by assumptions. Maybe there is not gender, maybe there is gender, maybe the gender doesn't work the same way as it works down here. (The latest one is the one that, based off of my own experiences and some conversation, seems to be the case) If you think about the idea though if you can think of every cell in our body as a galacy then yes the idea that two gods having sex thus creating the universe we are in does seem plausible.

However, on the other hand if you think in terms of structure, below what we can't and never will understand there is base chaos, and above is is higher chaos which we won't be able to understand until we further evolve and get to that point. (Please keep in mind this is based off of only one theory, but I base my opinions on this around personal experiences that you may or may not believe) if you think about it in those terms something could be happening on that level we simply can't understand until we experience it. They say the universe is infinite, after all.

[Leyla]

One of the oldest tenantes of mysticism is the concept of "As Above, So Below." Our physical world comes from, and is a reflection of, their world.

We are here to learn, live within, and understand the *higher spiritual meaning* of the cycles/forces of birth, growth, reproduction, decline, and death

I fully understand why you're so horrified by the idea.

The old belief in sexuality as a Holy Spiritual force came directly from Goddess worship. Naturally this female power was abhorrently evil to the new "Male Only" religion.

Sex to the ancients was a form of religious worship, as evidenced by old texts such as the Tantras, and the Kama Sutra.

What does a man think about when he looks at a woman but sex and fertility? They have bouncing breasts for nursing children and their bellies swell with pregnancy.

New religions popped up declaring celibacy as the most holy of paths. Sex was declared dirty and sinful.

Even today it is hardly possible for anyone brought up in one of the western nations to comprehend the ancient world's opinion of sex as an experience of divine pleasure or a preview of heaven without deliberate, laborious, intellectual progress toward such an opinion.

[SpectralDragon]

quote:Originally posted by Leyla

One of the oldest tenantes of mysticism is the concept of "As Above, So Below." Our physical world comes from, and is a reflection of, their world.

We are here to learn, live within, and understand the *higher spiritual meaning* of the cycles/forces of birth, growth, reproduction, decline, and death

I fully understand why you're so horrified by the idea.

The old belief in sexuality as a Holy Spiritual force came directly from Goddess worship. Naturally this female power was abhorrently evil to the new "Male Only" religion.

Sex to the ancients was a form of religious worship, as evidenced by old texts such as the Tantras, and the Kama Sutra.

What does a man think about when he looks at a woman but sex and fertility? They have bouncing breasts for nursing children and their bellies swell with pregnancy.

New religions popped up declaring celibacy as the most holy of paths. Sex was declared dirty and sinful.

Even today it is hardly possible for anyone brought up in one of the western nations to comprehend the ancient world's opinion of sex as an experience of divine pleasure or a preview of heaven without deliberate, laborious, intellectual progress toward such an opinion.

Who said I was horrified at the idea?

All I said was to keep an open mind, and that what goes on above can never be fully understood. The idea that there can be sex after you have been enlightenend intrigues me greatly actually for several reasons

The fact of the matter is you can't know what goes on up there till you have visited there. As a projector I have been up to high levels, but I don't think anyone ever got past the archangel level unless they became enlightened.

One thing you seem to be assuming is that I am christian, well I am not. I practice what seems to be commonly called chaos magick, which is an open belief system of sorts. I don't like the name of it as chaos magick in my book refers to something very horrifying. I do believe that the universe itself is god, and that there are demi-gods or solar entities on a level far far below god. Below (or above, we really don't know) that are the archangels we know of, that are part of the very fabric of the universe.

[Leyla]

quote:The fact of the matter is you can't know what goes on up there till you have visited there. As a projector I have been up to high levels

Heh heh. You think I haven't visited there? And you think I haven't been up to high levels? As far as astral travel goes, I'm a frequent flyer.

I never assumed you were christian btw, but like most westernized people you have been brainwashed to believe that sexuality and enlightenment do not mix. To the ancients sex was the very pathway to enlightnment.

Prostitutes were holy women, and prayers uttered during sex were said to be especially potent. To embrace passionatly your opposite half and become one perfect whole, therebye being elevated to the heights, was a form of worship. This is where we get the concept of "religious ecstasy."

I suggest you get the book "sacred sexuality" by A T Mann and Jane Lyle -  its full of erotic ancient texts and sexually graphic sumarian/babylonian/egyption artwork. It'll turn your old ideas on their ear.

[SpectralDragon]

quote:Originally posted by Leyla

quote:The fact of the matter is you can't know what goes on up there till you have visited there. As a projector I have been up to high levels

Heh heh. You think I haven't visited there? And you think I haven't been up to high levels? As far as astral travel goes, I'm a frequent flyer.

I never assumed you were christian btw, but like most westernized people you have been brainwashed to believe that sexuality and enlightenment do not mix. To the ancients sex was the very pathway to enlightnment.

Prostitutes were holy women, and prayers uttered during sex were said to be especially potent. To embrace passionatly your opposite half and become one perfect whole, therebye being elevated to the heights, was a form of worship. This is where we get the concept of "religious ecstasy."

I suggest you get the book "sacred sexuality" by A T Mann and Jane Lyle -  its full of erotic ancient texts and sexually graphic sumarian/babylonian/egyption artwork. It'll turn your old ideas on their ear.

Uhh, no actually I am not horrified at the idea. Just because I live in the USA does not automatically make me one of your "unbelievers" Leyla, you are assuming way too much. I know about Kundalini, and I know that the old practices are only partially based around truth. You can become enlightened through sexual magic, but that path is not for everyone. Everyone has thier own path.

What gives you the idea that everyone in the western hemisphere thinks this way? You are generalizing way too much. There are other possibities to explain some of these things, and I for one am not going to go in any particular direction unless I see that there is promise there. I like doing much thinking on where I am going before I actually go there.

I wasn't saying that you haven't gone to higher planes, I simply said that I have. You can't completely understand anything up there while you are there, you are like a child just born into the world anew each time you go. Every time you go there it changes you in drastic ways.

your ideas are limited to one particular type of religion. This is causing problems with communication between us. I am thinking on very, very broad terms while you are thinking in narrower terms. Both have thier ups and downs.

[Leyla]

quote:I know that the old practices are only partially based around truth.

Sumaria/Babylon/Mesopatamia were not dumb dark primitives bowing down to rocks. There were advanced civilized people who started the forms of magick and meditation we still practice today.

It seems to me that you have very limited knowledge about the ancient culture be judging what they believed or why they believed it. This is why I suggested the book.

I am not talking about one particular religion, or even one type of religion. I am saying that the ENTIRE WORLD thought sex brought you to god; until the patriarchy came along to "correct" us with the new "truth" that sexuality took you away from god.

This is why everyone in the western world believes that "heaven" is a place of celebacy and that god is a neutered "it." Stop anyone on the street and ask. Our ancestors would have laughed at the idea.

You are telling me that world of spirit is sexless and genderless and I have been there enough times to know that it's not.

I understand your mind-set, I too was raised with those ideas and I know how hard it is to shake. I still struggle with it.

I believed that purity, spirituality, and enlightenment were as far away as you could get from things like passion, sensuality, and desire.

You could either have one or the other.

Now I know that that is a new idea under the sun, only recently has humanity had this concept forced on them, and that it was manufactured for political reasons.

All I'm saying is, open your mind. Thousands of years of human history isn't "wrong" just because the culture you were born into says so.

[SpectralDragon]

quote:Originally posted by Leyla

quote:I know that the old practices are only partially based around truth.

Sumaria/Babylon/Mesopatamia were not dumb dark primitives bowing down to rocks. There were advanced civilized people who started the forms of magick and meditation we still practice today.

It seems to me that you have very limited knowledge about the ancient culture be judging what they believed or why they believed it. This is why I suggested the book.

I am not talking about one particular religion, or even one type of religion. I am saying that the ENTIRE WORLD thought sex brought you to god; until the patriarchy came along to "correct" us with the new "truth" that sexuality took you away from god.

This is why everyone in the western world believes that "heaven" is a place of celebacy and that god is a neutered "it." Stop anyone on the street and ask. Our ancestors would have laughed at the idea.

You are telling me that world of spirit is sexless and genderless and I have been there enough times to know that it's not.

I understand your mind-set, I too was raised with those ideas and I know how hard it is to shake. I still struggle with it.

I believed that purity, spirituality, and enlightenment were as far away as you could get from things like passion, sensuality, and desire.

You could either have one or the other.

Now I know that that is a new idea under the sun, only recently has humanity had this concept forced on them, and that it was manufactured for political reasons.

All I'm saying is, open your mind. Thousands of years of human history isn't "wrong" just because the culture you were born into says so.

On the contrary, you don't understand me or my ideas at all, nor are you even trying to. It's close-minded people like you that are the reason I stop debating, as I am going to do right now. With that, I respectfully leave this argument.

[coben]

It did sound, at the very least, like you might have a problem with the idea of sex and 'enlightenment'. You didn't say that Leyla was wrong in her As Above, so Below theory, you implied it and implied that you had knowledge that she did not have.  That's how it read, perhaps not your intention.

I don't think the Goddess serves God.  They are equals.

[SpectralDragon]

quote:Originally posted by coben

It did sound, at the very least, like you might have a problem with the idea of sex and 'enlightenment'. You didn't say that Leyla was wrong in her As Above, so Below theory, you implied it and implied that you had knowledge that she did not have.  That's how it read, perhaps not your intention.

I don't think the Goddess serves God.  They are equals.

Even after specifically saying I didn't? [xx(]

quote:All I said was to keep an open mind, and that what goes on above can never be fully understood. The idea that there can be sex after you have been enlightenend intrigues me greatly actually for several reasons

[wisp]

Leyla,
No offense intended, but I'm not sure your aware of the intense anger your projecting. Spectral is right to let this argument go. You do seem to be as closed minded as the christians you want to persecute.Pay attention to what SpectralDragon is saying.

Your on a path of understanding with some things, however your not aware of the vastness of spirituality, and you seem to cling to some ideas that are of a dangerous and questionable nature. I want to warn you of this.

Fragmented information can be deceptive. Many have reached the point where you find yourself. My own experience has led me to the same realm you describe.For me, it was a passing phase, a dillusion to get past. Yes, it does have the appearance of higher astral, but it may not be. I've come far in my spiritual journey since then. I can only see your ideas as my own past misconceptions in my early learning and experience. The thing I didn't do is to get involved with these same notions.

Leyla, there is more out there. Be careful not to get stuck in these beliefs. I can't help but think that your unresolved issues with your earlier life and/or church experience has left you vulnerable to some things. Forgiving others including yourself may be a good start.

I get my experience from waking visions, knowledge doesn't come quickly, it comes in increments. Trying to disprove other's beliefs will get you nowhere. We all have our own path(s). Your revelations are premature. Stop judging others. Judge yourself first, it's interesting the direction it will go.

[MJ-12]

sdf

[Leyla]

The definition of "closed minded" is the refusal to look outside ones own cultural referance. You're just trying to say it to me before I can say it to you.

Spectrals statment about how "THE GODDESS IS THE SERVANT OF GOD" was certainly interesting.

Also interesting was the statment about how belief in the Goddess is merely a "90's Fad" that has overstayed it's welcome. Who knew a religious faith could become so unfashionable? Tell me, who is the "trendy" got to worship these days so I can alert everyone to their social foux pass?

The part on Wiccans and Pagans being hateful people is just wrong. I know several, none of them are "lesbian feminists," nor do they persecute Christians. But I do know one who's child was thrown out of school for wearing a pentacle.

I think you're reaching too far when you say the inquisition never happened, and that it's all a big lie concocted by man-hating goddess worshipers. It's like the Nazi's saying they never killed any jews, and it comes off more than a little "crazy."

quote:The fact is...Christianity offered individual spiritual emancipation...that Pagan religions could not hope to provide.

Oh dear...

[coben]

wisp

quote:Stop judging others. Judge yourself first, it's interesting the direction it will go.

reread your post and just see for a moment how Leyla might, surprisingly enough, read the entire post as judgemental.

In general,
I mean when are we going to get over the transcendant incorporeal male God who has problems with sex FAD.

MJ-12
you seem to have managed to express your ego, just fine, making it a group of egos (including my own) on this thread.  As far as scholarship your post seems neither better nor worse in that arena.  
While Christianity may have offered the individual a more individual sense of personal development, that development demanded that they carve out portions of themselves in the process.  There was also a rather strong world denying element in there, body-sex denial, all very much at the cost of the individual.  There are insights that, if lovingly blended with the pagan religions's strong points could have created something wonderful.  I do not agree that Christianity was a next step in religious evolution.  It had something good, mixed in with its problems and the pagan religions also needed to evolve.  But just as the Romans colonized and did not merge strengths, the Christian relgion, via the Romans (but at least inpart because of the seeds of problems within it) colonized and eradicated pagan religions that had a lot to offer Christians.  And they still do.

Leyla,

[SpectralDragon]

quote:Originally posted by Leyla

 "THE GODDESS IS THE SERVANT OF GOD" was certainly interesting.

Tell me, when did I say that? Now I think you are simply looking for a fight lady, and you are not going to get it from me.