War of the souls

[Logic]

Theres no proof because its not real, its a belief. I can't stand the countless people who come on claiming they are some special privelaged being who instinctivly know about "the demon war", just because they have seen it somwehere in another post.

[halfphased]

I'm in a debating mood as my jyana yoga studies are kicking in.  Logic, I propose that all views of reality are just a belief with the only proof to support them being other beliefs.  None of them are real as in being absolutely real...  

Now, it may just be me surmising what The Founder is saying, but I had the impression that he had some innate knowledge of this war and that this has lead The Founder to look for others with similar views and not the other way arround.

As for "weird" things happening, it has been my experience that the more I seek things out the more I am proned to noticing things that I had not before.  Perhaps, I would be in a better position to "objectively" observe these shifts if I was not at the same time actively working toward creating shifts in my reality.  I would say all of my life has been surreal...

How can nothing actually change?  Are we to say that all things are permanent and unchanging?  What do you mean by saying things appear twisted or distorted?  

Round and round we go, where we stop:

[The Founder]

OK this is good, a very promising start here. You have shown both sceptisism and open mindedness. I was prepared to be accused of only believing in the war because I had picked up on rumors elsewhere, and my responce is this, although I have searched for explanations for what I know the fact remains that I have always known about the war, yes instinctivly.. do I feel priveliged? Cursed,would perhaps be a better term. I do not wish to seem holier than thou about this but I have discovered much about the war from both looking within myself and comparing it to what others have revealed to me.

Logic, I feel enclinced to ask you.. Why do you think there are so many people claiming to know about the war? Why do you assume that they are ALL fakes? I can't change your beliefs but I can offor the truth as I have found it and hope you take what I say into consideration. Regardless of what you believe there is a major confrontation on the horizon and if you refuse to accept it that does not make it any less true. You must keep an open mind to all things, you want evidence? when you find me evidence for AP or OBE I will find you evidence of the war. You simply cannot find physical evidence for a none physical matter, and I would if I could. All I can say is that I am clearly not the first to speak of the war here and I am definitly not the only one here who feels it coming, if you seek proof then look around. The psychic comminity had lighten up in recent times and its all coming to a head soon.

I ask only that you all consider this to be possible, if you can all just accept the possibility that there is a war on the way then I will have done what I came here to do. If anyone wishes to know more of what I have discovered about the war then please PM me and I will tell you what I can. I will also reply to any messages in this thread for a while. Thankyou for your patience.

The Founder

[halfphased]

How will I know when the merge happens?  Is this the same thing as the suppossed transition to 4th density?  How would one be lost in the transition?  If there is a war, what is the average joe suppossed to do?  Will we all fight or are there only a few that will be fighting?  
Are there any signs that will be pointing the way?  If so, have some occurred already and what are they?  
What should one do in order to prepare for this?

I guess that is good enough for now.  I'm sure I will have more questions.

[Blackstream]

Well I'll admit to the feelings of incessant de-ja-vu and "something's not right" occasionaly, but mankind I'm sure has been having those feelings for centuries upon centuries.  What makes you think that this period is different?  Have you actually seen physical changes or is it all an innate feeling inside you?  Cause I'll tell you one thing (and I know this from experience), the mind is a powerful thing.  Once you really start to believe in something, your perceptions and assimilation of those perceptions will snowball into affirming and reaffirming what you believe.

For example, I was talking to one person who was a diehard believer in reptilians and he used a quote from a tv program out of context to try and prove his point.  Even though it made no sense to an outsider, to him it did and it reinforced his beliefs.

Of course, at the same time, you can't just not believe in something out of fear of it not being true and you getting deluded, but at the same time, do you have any reason to believe in this war besides your gut and everyone else's "I think the world is going to end now" notion that has litterally been going on for thousands of years?

[The Founder]

LOL! Ok, I'll try to tackle this as best as I can..

How will I know when the merge happens?
The merge is always happening but there will come a day when the veil just cannot sustain itself anymore and it will fall. We will merge completely with the astral and become astrophysical, What this will be like I cannot even imagine, but it will be unlike anything you can think of. Just prepare for anything and more.

Is this the same thing as the suppossed transition to 4th density?
I have been informed of this theory and yes, as far as I can tell it apears to be the same thing, I am also aware that this will mark the interaction with aliens, this too fits in nicely. You see most other alien cultures would probably come from worlds where there is no veil in place and so they would be astrophysical. Scince our planes have been seperated into astral and physical they would be unable to make direct contact with us untill the veil falls.

How would one be lost in the transition?
I should have explained that more clearly to begin with. If you do not have a strong mind then I would imagne the inability to adapt to the dramatic shift in enviroment would force you to trap yourself in yuor own world. Convincing yourself things are going on as usuakl and ignoring the various threats around you. This is only as thery but I have had it for a long time and it seems logical. If you cant accept just an amazing new world you would trick your mind into not being able to see it. Either way you MUST be fully prepared for the merging, I can't stress that enough.

If there is a war, what is the average joe suppossed to do?
Good question, while the godsent forces try to counter this threat there will be an otherkin army (these would be those of you who have felt the 'calling' to fight that I have described) They will probably be protecting the weaker humans who cannot fight for themselves. The godsent forces may be stronger but they are fewer so its always gonna be a problem when demons slip through the net and get to the humans. If you wish to fight then I suggest you begin training your mind and soul and try charging a weapon to aid you. It's still a big risk though.

Will we all fight or are there only a few that will be fighting?
You all have the option but those who feel the caaling will probably be expected to do so, In either case... it's up to you.

Are there any signs that will be pointing the way?
I'm not quite sure what you mean by this but I have heard a rumor that we will all be forced to AP the night the veil falls and we will meet and be arranged into armys and teams. Probably organised by the angels or whatever. Other than that you just follow your heart, do what you desire to do but just make sure your on the right side, it's easy to be manipulated.

If so, have some occurred already and what are they?
Again, I'm not quite sure by what you mean here.. if you mean are there any signs for the falling of the veil occuriong? Then yeah, plenty. I have seen many people come to me asking for answers to explain that 'spinning sensation' I mentioned in the atticle and I have seen many other warrior preparing for the war. most of which were just as suprised as me to see that it is widly known and not just something they were the only ones to know of. Also, I forget how long ago, but.. the demons busted a small hole through the veil and unleashes an astral squadren to watch the humans and no some reconiasonce on their defences. These are harmless though and are just here to watch us, but I remember how messenger that I was on at the time simultaniously lit up as litereally dozens of people came on asking if anyone else felt it. My good friend Chamuel said he saw the angels crying and it seems that everybody who is remotely sensative to the astral became aware of it. This ould have been, ooh, maybe 4 or 5 months back.. I ahve terrible estimation though so I'm probably wrong, lol. So yeah there are many signs that the merging aproaches besides ordinary feelings of anticipation or that something is on its way.

What should one do in order to prepare for this?
Everything. you can't do enough, martial arts, meditation, spiritual practises. I'm not sure if it is possible to be completely prepared for just a drastic event but you must still try. As I mentioned earlier try charging a weapon so it has astral qualitys and I suggest you try some kind of dicipline training. Anything that can help make this easier for you. What aproaches is gonne be big and I can only make you aware of it, I am powerless to stop it though, as much as I would like to. So be prepared, thats all I can say. Just to make something clear, I don't just have vaigue feeling about the war, I have always blatently KNOWN about it, scince childhood, and it has nothing to do with fly-by-night rumors as I only discovered others knew about it last year. Yes we have always had these odd sensations and feelings but never to this intencity. In recent times these things are far more common and seem to be stronger as well.

Again thankyou for your patience.

The Founder

[volcomstone]

it seems tha DBZ'rs have evolved a bit.  Their websites are looking more "genuine" ("brief but accurate")
especially with the nice waterfall and all.
Im still notso inclined to believe ppl how walys pmispeall wrods buecase tehy mkae no scents and I tanc derustnad dem


--THE FOUNDER--

is the only reason the "article" on "the war of the souls"  so accurate  because YOU WOOTRE IT? or would it be as accurate if say, I wrote it?

tiuq lobwnig oury now rnoh

[The Founder]

Yes very mature there... well done. I appologise for my rushed typing and I am glad you subtely pointed that out. I dont watch the dragon ball cartoon and I don't care if you don't believe me, I only care if you do. I'm not here to convince you but to warn you. I will offor any more info that I can do but I won't talk to childish people with closed minds.

The Founder

[volcomstone]

Subtle like an atom bomb ***boom((88888

but how can you expect anyone to take yourself seriously if your only "information" is made by yourself?

I mean there is "substance" to the whole war thing.

but you shouldn't live inthe future, you shouldn't waste your time "preparing" for the war, you should try and PREVENT IT.

You should try and change the living conditions HERE AND NOW.
what good is training to be a holy warrior, if you don't try and change the way things are in the present?

and I can see my own faults, they are always evident,
can't you see the similiarities between your belief structure/ki-training/DBZ/website and ALL of the other ones that everybody has already heard about (over and over and over again) (andagain) to the death of it all

I want the world to change, but no demon war from the 4th density will cause this, and I think many gifted psychics and spritiualist are often throwing away their own dignity and become hypocritical simply by suscribing to such a  usless and complety non-benificial belief.

having a premonition of somthing horrible to come is often a stressfull and emotionally draining experience.  I would hope one would try and PREVENT the event (rhymaster) from happening, instead of preparing for when it happens.

and don't say its not preventable, thats a cop-out.

[volcomstone]

ahh dang, I don't even know why I get involved.

[Logic]

This is so tedious. Maybe if everyone just stops paying attention, all the radki / demon war people will go away.

[The Founder]

Yes that's right, just ignore a problem and it always goes away doesn't it? If you don't believe me then fine but what good does acting like that do anybody? Try adding a counter-oppinion like Volcomestone just did. I told you that I am aware I ahve no evidence and I would like to stress that I do not expect anybody to believe me, I accept that what I say is unlikely and hard to swallow.

Volcomestone, do you not think I ahve both tried and considered preventing the war? I am even working on a plan as we speak, but Im not gonna refuse to prepare because of it. The veil was only temporary and WILL fall cos it has simply outlived itself. It possibly can be recreated after but thats much further down the line. I WILL train for the war because I don't intend to just sit here and watch innocent people get hurt.

The Founder

[MJ-12]

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[Logic]

quote:Originally posted by The Founder

Yes that's right, just ignore a problem and it always goes away doesn't it? If you don't believe me then fine but what good does acting like that do anybody? Try adding a counter-oppinion like Volcomestone just did. I told you that I am aware I ahve no evidence and I would like to stress that I do not expect anybody to believe me, I accept that what I say is unlikely and hard to swallow.

Volcomestone, do you not think I ahve both tried and considered preventing the war? I am even working on a plan as we speak, but Im not gonna refuse to prepare because of it. The veil was only temporary and WILL fall cos it has simply outlived itself. It possibly can be recreated after but thats much further down the line. I WILL train for the war because I don't intend to just sit here and watch innocent people get hurt.

The Founder

Theres no need to restate any counter-opinion which I have already gone over in the past. Where exactly do you people think you are getting this information from?

Someone should make a demon war forum, so that the posts arent scattered all over the rest of the forums.

[Jenadots]

When, in the history of man, hasn't there been war?  Always with us one way or another.  Seems to be inherent in our nature.  

So to predict a war -- is, not exactly news.  Of course, there will be war somewhere.

And right now, there seems to be a whole lot of people in the world just itching for one big one.  I might add these are mostly men, but some women too.

And people, many innocent and good people, will die in it. The when or the whys don't matter. Ordinary people will suffer and suffer greatly.

And yes, we, collectively, do have the technology to destroy every living thing on the planet.  Some leaders might even be arrogant enough to use some of those weapons whether they be biological, chemical or nuclear.  Somehow, it doesn't occur to them that they also could die from a retaliatory strike.  

Now, if you could come up with a way to prevent wars of all kinds, that would really be something to report.

[Quiet Storm]

Hmmm, to be honest, I have taken a look at your site "The Founder" before you even came onto this board. I think it was on the veritasacademy where I first heard of you, or perhaps another board like ki-teachings.com

Anyways....

I have looked at your site, and you speak of the elven race being in this war also, and will be fighting for the side of "neutrality".

Now, if you may not know... there is a thread in this forum called "The Year 2004: The Prediction" that was started by some guy named Oazaki.

Now... he says he is an elf. Take a look at this post http://www.occultforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=9034&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=oazaki+elf somewhere in there he explains that he is an elf.... now I haven't really read that thread, in fact, I found out he was an elf when I read a signature that said "Wait wait wait.... So not only does Oazaki rule the universe and have complete power over god, satan and all the demons, angels etc etc.... but he's also an elf??" on the occultforums. I dont think he ever claimed to have power over "God" but he says that we are all God, realizing this, and developing your spirit increases your manifesting, and creation abilities. So we are manifestors in this whole universe, the universal mind... we are all part of it. I think the one God who is the universal mind, is that, "God" that is responsible for the whole unvierse, but I don't like the word "God" just, the source, which is the natural essence of the universe, like an energy all by itself, which is the manifesting.. the creative energy.

So, I am putting together this puzzle, of things I have been reading on spirituality, on the things to come in the future, and I went to go searching for where he says he is an elf. Thats where I got the above link.

Now.... he is "aligned" with what you say. You say elves are going to be fighting for neutrality... Oazaki has also said of a war to come including beings from higher realms, angels, demons, aliens, and humans, and also the "earth" with her catastrophic natural disasters. SO.... what also intrigues me, is that.... he is ALSO spreading the idea of incorporating both, good and evil, light, and dark into your being, and to not deny both sides of the reality of the universe we live in. To incorporate both duals. That MUST be the neutrality that you are talking about.

I myself beleive in the coming war which you speak of. I have read about it countless number of times before, I denied it at first, then I realized the truth in it, and still denied it, then did my own research, then did soem more of my own research, my intuition guided me to the right information, on, thnigs to happen in the physical reality, regaurding natural disasters, and also the war in the coming future, and they are all aligned. The natural disasters are also part of the war.

It is possible that since there is so much turmoild going on in the physical realm that also there is turmoil going on in the other realms... because that is the way it works. All realms coexist with each other.

So all in all, I have been putting this puzzle together, and I seem to have a huge understanding of whats to come now....

Its incredible. We ARE in for some awesome times.

I think, the reason why this is all happening is because of the universal collective consciousness, which is.... "God's plan".

If you don't beleive in aliens, elven races, demons, angels, and all those other beings, and also "radki" techniques, and DBZ things.... then think about this. If everyone manifests, it is possible that everything that can be thought of by A mind, any mind, exists in another realm. The human collective consciousness may have not beleived in elves, or aliens, or demons, or angels, but enough have THOUGHT about it, which is ENOUGH to make it manifest, not in this physical realm, but in another, and now, it is going to show.

This all may sound like an "RPG" game , so many have told me that, but since we all have manifesting abilities we have the power to manifest these things.

But also.... consciousness is all the same, maybe humankind hasn't thought of these races, maybe another race, but all in all, SOME consciousness with intelligence has thought of these races, and enough to make them manifest.

Open your mind, let it go, from the heart, feel it flow, dont waste your seed, make it grow, say after me "I AM FREE!" - Beleive it or not, that last quote is from a song that I am hearing right now as I am typing it. Damn synchronicities, they never cease to amaze me.

[Quiet Storm]

I am going to repost this, becuz I feel this is important:

As in a synchronized event, this morning I opened up a book called "Oneness: The Teachings" which I left off from about a month and a half ago.

The first things I read were:

There is much that can be said about what is transpiring in your dimension. And the prognosis for a more positive outcome than had originally been anticipated is very good indeed. The addition of the free will factor of the collective consciousness to the equation has resulted in a shift in what might have been a cataclysmic period in the history of your planet. These events are not carved in stone, but are very much dependent upon the actions of humankind as a whole and the choices made by those in a position of leadership.

It is entirely possible to transcend a prophesied series of events that once seemed so likely as to have been considered inevitable. There is no event that is so inevitable as to be resistant to the focused intent of the beings present. Efforts to orchestrate a common focus on a given concept, in unison with vast numbers of other beings have a profound effect on an outcome that may have been predicted. Humankind has succeeded in altering that outcome and has manifested in its stead a radically modified version of what had once been forseen.

The real work has now begun. The collective consciousness of those incarnate in your dimension has excercised the power of its will and has manifested an unprecendented result. The harnessing of this power is the opportunity being presented in this time frame. In so doing, it will begin to become obvious to many of you that you are, indeed, creating your reality. As each adds the power of personal intent to the collective, the sum-totality moves that much closer to the point at which a measurable result can be made manifest. And an obvious correlation will emerge between the implementation of the collective will and the modification of anticipated events.

With this tool in hand, you are empowered in the collective to co-create a reality, as you would wish it to be. once you know that you are not living at the mercy of events beyond your control, but are indeed drawing the blueprint for those events with your thoughts, attitudes, and presumptions, you will begin to take very seriously the responsibility each of you has for your part as the co-author of the "movie" you call life.

You will awaken to the realization that you are responsible through your actions and choices, for setting the stage for parallel efforts on the part of those within your sphere of influence. you will begin to understand that the magnitude of the difference you are able to make is in direct proportion to the degree which you are able to live your word. And you will teach what you know by practicing what you know.

Your word can become a powerful tool through which you are able to cultivate awareness in others who are magnetized to your energy. Yet, the word alone is but an outline for concepts that take root and blossom as deeds. The choices you make in every moment exert their influence vibrationally, and by example, on all whose lives you touch. And as each touches and is touched in return by the actions of the collective, a harmony of intent begins to resonate. When that intent is heart-centered, it is indeed possible to alter the course of what you would consider to be "destiny."

Recognizing your power to create your reality is your key to turning the page and beginning a new chapter in your own life story. Having released the ties that once bound you to repetitive patterns of experience, you have emerged with a fresh perspective and a new sense of self-definition. And you have come to understand the potential in sculpting that identity, as you would like it to be. For the tools for creating your personal reality as a masterpiece of manifested intent are right there within the parameters of your consciousness.
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This was a complete summary of what I have come to realize after pondering life, and the future events, and the things I am writing, and sharing with others and also others sharing with me. To read it this morning was all synchronized. To post it now in this time of events, has been synchronized, all this has been synchronized to let each other know that we ARE manifesting the future of our lives, and will continue to do so.

To summarize. WE manifest our future. Each individual can add to the manifestation.

If you beleive and anticipate change in our society it will manifest. This is going to occur and is occuring as we speak because so many have realized what I have just type on an unconscious level.

[The Founder]

What you have said... it has helped me come to understand a thing or two. One or two things about the war that I hadn't quite peiced together so far. Perhaps on some level even the war is a result of our own actions as humanity. Sadly the chanses of every living being realising this and changing their thinking in time for the war is unlikely at best, assuming of course it would do anything. However it has come to my attention that this might well explain the so called 'light at the end of the tunnel'. Now I am not a stubborn or a gullable person but I myself have prophesised that there is a kind of... ether, or glory, if you will... at the end of this war. My logic tells me this is nonesense, every war is fough for a mysterious fantasy land at the end, and all that arrives is more war. Yet I still could not deny this feeling of perfection and freedom I felt would reach us in succesion of the war. What you have said has perhaps clarifyed that for me.

It is apparent that this confrontation will open many eyes to the truth, the truth of evil (for lack of a better term) and perhaps aliens. The humans will be made to understand the balence of both nature, and the equilibrium of the astrophysical world. They will understand about demons, and psionics, magick no metaphysical subject will be tabu. They will come to understand the truths of the universe, this is not wishful thinking this is what my basic logic tells me. How can they not come to realise these things? How can these realisations not have a positive effect on the development of our cultures? We will all come to understand the responcibility of freedom and the importance of respect for these matters. I'm sure that with a little time and understanding the humans will come to understand these things, and when they do perhaps that knowlege alone will be enough to alter the path of things to come for a more positive future, just like you have said. Maybe the collective belief that we need no more fighting will be enough to make it so, and the war may be just the catalyst we need to ensure that.

I hope I have not strayed too far from your origional point and misunderstood too much of what you intended to get across, I would like to talk with you on messenger some time. Thanx for listening.

The Founder

[Quiet Storm]

The Founder, if you have AIM, my screen name is xXTha 0neXx. The O is a zero.

We are all together in this learning process. With the new information, provided in this very same forum, you too can put this puzzle together, and see what is headed for us. I suggest you read the entire post by Oazaki in this forum called The Year 2004: The Prediction, he and his Zhedi Order have some interesting things in store for us. I beleive he is real, because I WANT to beleive he is real because I KNOW that I can be a part of this creation, and I know for a fact I am, along with others making it happen.

I beleive there is a "light at the end of the tunnel" like you have said. Because, we are going to have freedom, freedom of mind, and freedom of expression, freedom to evolve spiritually, and many many many good things can occur from this.

The war IS going to happen. The only way to attain the freedom that we so rightfully deserve is to get the "powers that be" off our back and stop them from keeping humanity in the bondage that most of humanity are in. I KNOW that their loss is already determined, because the human spirit will win, its the way it was meant to be, but I doubt the "powers that be" will just quit and call it a day, chances are they will go out "guns blazin", which is why this war is going to occur.

Like I said I suggest you read Oazaki's thread, I think there is alot to learn within that thread, as I have, and it has lead me, along with your thread to put the peices of the puzzle together.

[The Founder]

Well, it seems fate has conspired against us. I do not have AIM but I have MSN messenger, I will read through the 2004 thread and see what I can pick up and I am already in legue with one or two of the members of that order. I search for the truth whatever it may be and will accept whatever I find in the proccess. It is very pleasing to meet others on the same path and I wish you well on yuor journey. I hope we can work together in this course.[]

Oh, and Just to captivate your interest, in the links section of the hidden truths site in my sig and at the beggining of the thread you will find many other war related information sites, including the infamous 2012 theorys. Hope I helped at all.[]

The Founder

[MJ-12]

asdfd

[Quiet Storm]

quote: understand the temptation of fighting, but what exactly are you fighting? Demons? Astral monsters and evil aliens?

The way I see it is that we are fighting whatever is keeping us in bondage. The aliens, and the demons... although I am not sure if they manipulate humans also, but I do know that we are able to control demons with magick, if we learn how.

My freind is in the rosicrucians, which is a "society" that is not that much secret as the illuminati or the masons. They teach light and dark magick. That freind told me that in one of their gatherings they higher ranked ones will summon a demon and perform magick on it.

So.... my theory is, that we are here on Earth to transcend polarity, and also linear time. That is just part of the journey but that is why we are here, for those of you who are planning to acheive spiritual evolution.

I think that the higher you go in spiritual evolution, your body also changes. Right now the human body of humanity on Earth (because there are other humans in the universe not just the ones on Earth) has the "reptilian brain" which was implanted in us by the reptilians for the sake of control, because it emits fear and doubt and lower vibrations. Oazaki says that we are going to overpower that part of our brain when "Erectheus".

I think its safe to say that we are fighting this war over what has kept us in bondage. Those who are able to  transcend duality can see that we have created both light and dark because it was all part of the human cycle here on Earth. So we have created both angels and demons. They were all manifestations of the human collective consciousness. Since we created it, you can have 2 choices. You can choose to stay within duality and pick a side, light or dark, and then you will fight a war with the opposing side. The second choice is the choice to fight against that which keeps us in bondage, which are the reptilians. I don't think humans have created the reptilians, I think the reptilians existed before humanity on Earth, keep in mind that there are other humans living in the Universe. Earth is not the only planet that has humanoid intelligent creatures.

Since humanity on Earth has created angels and demons, as a result of our polarized consciousness, we also have a chance to transcend this polarity and use it to our advantage, just as Oazaki's Zhedhi Order is doing. Zhe means light, Dhi means dark. Also Oazaki's Zhedhi Order has ALOT to do with numerology and symbolism, and it all has both light and dark incorporated in it. So that means they will have control of both "light" and "dark" forces.
Click here for more info on the Zhedi Order, what is is, and how it will participate in our future (look in the post all the way at the bottom) http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10642&whichpage=4&SearchTerms=Order,light,dark

Since we have created light and dark "forces" we can use those "forces" to our advantage. The "forces" we have created are like armies. Those armies are the demon armies and angel armies, and they are always fighting against each other because they participate in polarity humanity on Earth has been and still is functioning on. Both light and dark forces are not "whole" so they fight against each other.

Those who can transcend this un wholeness can "love" both sides of reality, and what I mean by love is awareness of the vibrations darkness gives off and learn how to deal with it by "loving" it, or more so accepting it with non resistant pure unconditional awareness, no fear of it, no hatred or anger towards it, because we are here to transcend that, we are not to function on what we are trying to transcend if we are going to transcend it.. get it?

Now, since humanity on earth is living in bondage we are going to transcend that bondage, and fight that which keeps us in bondage, which are the reptilians, AND the reptilian brain.

On the physical level we will be fighting the reptilians, and perhaps the other "aliens" that might want to join in on the fight, and on the more spiritual level we are transcending our reptilian brain. To prove that, I think it is safe to say that emotions are being stirred up in our beings right now so that we can deal with them, and then transcend them. These emotions are function on fear and derive from fear. But right now, these emotions are being triggered so that we "love" the vibrations it gives off, and then transmute it, thus transcend it thus, not letting the emotions have power over us, and keeping us in our OWN bondage.

Get it? Humanity on Earth has been kept in their own mental bondage by their reptilian brains, AND ALSO in physical bondage by our reptilian freinds.

So to recap, we are fighting agains those which have kept us in bondage, light and dark we are transcending that and we will learn to use those forces to our advantage and we can use that against the reptilians which only use dark forces. Yes that is correct, reptilians don't use "light" magick, only dark magick. According to Oazaki these reptilians did not come from the "all is love" plane before coming into existance. The all is love plane is a higher plane, and the reptilians derived from the lower and more physical planes, that is why their nature is purely physical, they have desires they have materialistic desires which drive them. We have spiritual desires, and that drives us, so that way we are able to transcend to the higher planes all the way up to the "Source" plane which is the highest plane, while the reptilians cannot, because they have no desire for spiritual evolution, they exist purely on the physical level. That is the advantage we have over the reptilians.

My mind is exhausted right now.... I have typed straight from what I have read and gathered for this puzzle, and all the peices fit and also as I have typed this I realize more and more how much we have manifested this, and how this is all truth.... becuse I KNOW it deep down (or up) on deeper levels of my being.

If I need to explain more please ask, but also look at Oazaki's post to save alot more time and to save me from explaining everything that can be explained Oazaki's post.

[The Founder]

Quiet Strom, it seems our little conversation amounted to very little, I would like to re-explain not only to you but to others who read your last post and consider it seriously.

Angels and Daemons have been around far, FAR longer than humanity, humans did not create them only the idea that they are good and evil. True good or evil does not exist, I am to be a murderer of many daemons yet I can still accept this truth. The illution that angels are heavenly glory and pure, happy, fluffy righteousness is man made, I agree. The same goes for the catagoricaly evil nature of daemons. However just because you may have invented these 'labels' to stick on angels or deamons doesn't mean the beings themselves are your creation. To use the metaphore I used to you last night. What are are basicly saying is that if you call a house a ball you can effectivly 'roll' a house. You may have invented the catagories such as good and evil, and even the characoristic nature of those beings, but it is only the belief that you have invented, not the truth. You can change only what you see, not what is, to change what is takes time and patience but requires a little more force than the preverbial click of ones fingers my friend. You cannot control daemons as they are sentiant beings with a will of their own. You can only control what you percieve them to be but not what they wish to be. To think you can would mean you are being manipulated, which is a gift they possess in plenty. If your friend tries to summon a daemon and control it he will be grimly suprised and I advise strongly against it. I speak not only from common sense here my friend but also from experience.

In responce to MJ-12, What you have said is, for the most part completely true, although I would hope to be credited with a little more grace of mind, lol. I am not just some grunt of war intent to slash at everything because I do have acertain amount of both experience and skill in the matters of war. You seem to imply we should fight withy out common goodwill and spirit, well quite simply, why not? It is all relative, when the veil falls and the spiritual world merges with this such things will irradicate evil as fluently as any blade. Trust only your senses MJ, tell me what you seek to do in this confrontation. I do not need battle tips but I am interested in how you intend to hold your own. I try to learn a little from everything I see.[]Cya.

The Founder

[Quiet Storm]

To quote from Oazaki's thread:

And finally, regarding *who* exactly The Zhedhi Order is, well there are indeed some members on this here very planet, including, fairly obviously, I myself. Of more interest though to most people I should think are the higher-plane entities who are members of The Zhedhi Order. There's a whole load of such higher-plane and off-planet entities who are members of The Zhehdi Order, including, but not limited to:

1. The Lords of all the planes above the Great Void (ie God in all his aspects)
2. All of demonkind
3. The entirety of the angelic host, including Lucifer and all his followers
4. Death, Destruction and other assorted entities of like nature
5. Zeus, Dionysus, Quan Yin etc
6. The Sirians (beings from the Sirius star system) and other assorted extraterrestrial entities

And many, many more besides.

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So yeah, I think that's a fairly detailed, account of what exactly The Zhedhi Order is. And of course, more on the nature of The Zhedhi Order will become apparent as the events of the upcoming years unfold...

all the best,
Oazaki.

[Blackstream]

I noticed you either intentionally or unintentionally skipped my questions in the first thread Founder, could you please answer those?  I'm not looking to debunk what you are saying, I'm looking for reasons as to why you believe what you believe as well as tossing a common hurdle at you that I'm sure others have mentioned (and thus should have a nearly premade response for).