Discussion of Archangel Michael's answers

[BlackBox]

My thoughts are on the 19th page of the mediation with Michael thread.

I have nothing else to say except:

It's my strong belief that with continual interactions between SD and whatever he is mediating, SD will whither away slowly but surely.

It's a form of distraction, which in our society, is the main tool for control. SD could very well die one day to realize he was duped!

Of course, I could be wrong but I strongly doubt it. My intentions are sincere and rooted from my experience in reading heavy amounts of this type of material. I strongly caution all who read his answers to be vigilant.

[LordoftheBunnies]

quote:SD: 2) Do you know of the existance of an empire called Mu on earth Between 250,000 and 15.000 years ago? Or aren't you allowed to answer such a questions directly either?
M: China, that's the Mu Dynasty. Has a different name in some texts now. In general this mediation, I remind, is for spiritual matters.


I'm sorry but that's not the correct answer to my question. But never mind, I dont need the answer from you, I'il learn how to find it out myself in the astral!

Reality, I'm curious, what is the correct answer to that question?

[BlackBox]

quote:Reality, I'm curious, what is the correct answer to that question?

Mu = Lemuria.

All asian/oriental cultures root from the Lemurian race. Easter Island's stone sculptures were created by Lemurians.

There are theories that the Lemurians went 'underground' and the rest can be spotted from all those who carry the genetic strands. The eye-slid structure of asians/orientals is a clear indication of Lemurian descendance.

Lemuria existed thousands of years before Atlantis and ended after Atlantis formed (thousands of years after). I believe Qigong and all branches of it (Taoism) like Yoga, Tai-Chi, etc, are all forms of energy-development techniques which survived the last cataclysm (approximately 13,000 years ago).

You can get some really good stuff from the Cassiopaean website's search engine: http://www.cassiopaea.org/search.htm

Namaste.

[LordoftheBunnies]

Hmm, if asian characteristics and practices like Yoga and Chi kung originated in Lemuria, then it wouldn't surprise me if part of Lemuria was a dynasty in China, like Michael mentioned.  After all, there are many Chinese legends about their history that seems to go much farther back than anything we currently known.

Either way though, we know little to nothing about Lemuria, or even Atlantis for that matter, other than information gleaned from the Theosphical society and New Age channeling sources, both of which I consider highly questionable.  Therefore, I wouldn't call the things mentioned so far proven fact.  It seems to me as if much of your suspicion of Michael is largely due to the fact that the things he says go against other channeling sources like the Cassiopeans (aren't those the future human race that's supposedly contacting us through time? [B)])

[BlackBox]

Lordofthebunnies, I don't have a lot of energy today,(sore from the gym) but I'll humour you.

Firstly, your knowledge in regards to C-transcripts is lacking.

Second, when I say something like this:

quote:All asian/oriental cultures root from the Lemurian race

When I say this, why would you respond with this:

quote:Hmm, if asian characteristics and practices like Yoga and Chi kung originated in Lemuria, then it wouldn't surprise me if part of Lemuria was a dynasty in China, like Michael mentioned. After all, there are many Chinese legends about their history that seems to go much farther back than anything we currently known.

Wouldn't my original comment make you think that by "All asian/oriental" I really mean ALL? I think China is a pretty good example of an asian/oriental culture...(s-a-r-c-a-s-m)

Sorry for my rudeness, but your response really makes me wonder what goes through your head when I say something that indicates 'hands-down' that China would be included.

[LordoftheBunnies]

I say that because I'm not entirely certain as to whether there was a Lemuria from which asian cultures originated or not, and was noting that Michael said Mu/Lemuria was a dynasty in China, which would therefore not make his answer invalid. []

[Nay]

So are you SD's agent now, Lordbunny? []

Blackbox, I agree with your concern that this could be something other than a Arch Angel..I've felt this from the beginning, not only from a feeling but from some things that "Micheal" has stated.

I hope it doesn't turn on him..yikes.[:O]

My opinion..of course..[^]

Nay

[BlackBox]

-- There will always be truths (or half-truths) within the schemes of manipulation --

[BlackBox]

quote:I hope it doesn't turn on him..yikes.

If SD realizes that everything that he experiences, even if it is manipulation, adds to his experience and ultimately makes him stronger, then he'll know that no one here is witch-hunting against him. [^]

My concerns are for his wellfare.

[LordoftheBunnies]

quote:So are you SD's agent now, Lordbunny?

No, I'd have to charge him 60% of all the money he makes for me to be his official agent, I run a hard bargain.  Anyway, if your refering to me posting this new thread, I did it because the original one was getting to long and no one else had done it yet. [xx(]

Blackstream, I plan to read through the Cassiopae and Ra material, that way we can discuss this more in depth.

[Sentential]

I would like to add that I honestally believe that he is in contact with Michael and not a demon. Ive been around alot of demons before, his anwsers do not seem to suggest that it is one. Strangly they are alot like my own guide's responses.

The guide I have now is most certianly *not* a demon. Seeding such ideas in his head is bad. If you *convince* him that Michael is a demon, then you will begin to see outsiders get their words in edgewise.

Michael's anwsers have helped me personally in a great time of need. And for that I am ever greatful. As skeptical as SD is, I feel that Michael is infact his guide.

The angelic refrain from revealing too much too quickly. It is dangerous to have too much information when you are not ready for it. Micheal is slowly revealing more, as my guide has. If he told him first hand that SD is important enough to recieve an archangle as a guide, his Ego would have destroyed him.

Until I see otherwise, I would believe what he says. Those words come from the heart and are open to intrepretation. You must all remember, even the divine is flawed. You must understand how lonely it is for the archangles. Such intimate contact with a human is probably more exciting to Micheal than it ever will be to SD.

[Nay]

I meant it seems you are speaking for him alot..that's all.[^]

Sentential, noone said anything about a demon, you got demons on the brain..[]

quote:The angelic refrain from revealing too much too quickly

This is not true, infact just the opposite...true guides will not lead you along, ask you to hang in there for the next installment, nor be vague.

quote:You must understand how lonely it is for the archangles. Such intimate contact with a human is probably more exciting to Micheal than it ever will be to SD.

 If I was in the presence of God all the time, I'm thinking I wouldn't be bored one bit.[]  In my opinion, Arch Angels are just to ummmmmm..large for us to take in, so contact with a person in the physical seems unlikely. Of course I could be sooo wrong, but not according to my guide. []

quote:If he told him first hand that SD is important enough to recieve an archangle as a guide, his Ego would have destroyed him.

 Someone's ego is definately being destroyed..

Nay

[BlackBox]

quote:You must all remember, even the divine is flawed.

I am not going to respond to rubbish.

[LordoftheBunnies]

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I am not going to respond to rubbish.

How is it rubbish?  Do you have conclusive proof that the divine is indeed perfect?  How, ultimately, would you define perfect?  The makeup of universe is formed by beings that are more evolved than us, but none of them have absolute power or perfect knowledge, thus still have room to grow, and thus are still flawed in certain ways.  Then, as you go up even higher, you get to a point where things like existance and God become so far beyond our comprehension that terms like perfect and flawed don't really describe it very well, in other words chaos.  Personaly I agree with what Michael said, if the 'divine', or rather, the finite defintions that form our existance were absolutely perfect, free will would be impossible, and there would be no true growth.

[BlackBox]

There is structure. There is chaos.

Everything is quite simple if you do not overcomplicate the issue.

What you consider 'imperfection' or 'flaws' is due to your SUBJECTIVE bias, point-of-view, perspective. Take - Your - Pick.

Do cells of a body question the objective of the man or woman? That is how silly it is to assume such things from your shoes.

Perfection involves a preference. Perfection for a whale may be imperfection to a bear.

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I am not asking you to believe in what I believe. I AM saying that if you take the time to study the C-transcripts or the Ra-material, or perhaps both, you will realize that when someone claims that the Universe has "flaws" or that it is "imperfect" or whatever, it is due to their subjective interpretation. Cellular insanity, if I would be so bold to call it that.

Birth in the realm of 3D brings a lot of confusion when a foundation of objective knowledge is not presented to a child. Time is misunderstood. Amnesia from 'before' is in deep-lingo.

Do you know what your brain does? It converts THOUGHT into MATTER.

All you can see is MATTER and so you do not understand that all there REALLY is, is THOUGHT.

The way you think BunnyMan, is through using your limited perspective to set YOUR 'expectations' upon the UNIVERSE. You are playing the role of a CELL questioning the BODY, except not through knowledge but ignorance.

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I apologize for being bold and I think even particularly rude, but I am putting effort into my words and trying to spark the scholar in you to perhaps consider stepping back, or flying up a few miles up in to the air so to observe EVERYTHING from the eyes of a bird. The virtue of objectivity.

This is the path of practical enlightenment.

[SpectralDragon]

Before I make my long winded reply I would like to ask you blackbox: why do you feel the need to make a personal attack? is your beliefs that much on the line here?

Please people, no rude attacks, we are only human but because we are human we have control to a certain degree. I would not want to see this degrade to a simple bashing thread.

[BlackBox]

I'm really low on energy today and I apologize for the term "BunnyMan", but that is where the 'rudeness' ends, SD.

Considering the big topics we are covering, I don't think it is a big deal.

Stick to the topic.

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EDIT: In hind-sight, I agree that from looking at my post(s), I've brought a bit of emotion into my thoughts and that allowed some 'abusive ad hominem' that shouldn't have been placed.

I apologize again. Today has been a rough day, and I will remain civil. []

[cube]

Here's a question I'm going to ask Micheal about this, maybe thinking about the question will make things less complicated:


On the topic of the divine, is it accurate to interpret the word 'perfect' to mean 'in complete balance' as opposed to 'cannot be improved upon'? It seems to me that if the Creator desired to experience everything, then that is a desired improvement. I would also think that the Creator would not desire to not be able to improve because that would result in eternal boredom.

[halfphased]

Hi, just going to pop in for a sec.

If you are not so into the Casseopians or Ra, then you could check out the ideas of Jyana-Yoga which claim very similiar things.  Except, they would not say ultimate reality is thought, but rather it is objectless conciousness.  I think that this is a rather important distinction to make.

Anywho, to talk about perfection or imperfection or whatever thing that you take up as an object of conciousness is to talk about something that is only relatively true.  We are unable to talk about perfection without also admitting to imperfection.  The very notion of perfection implies the concept of imperfection.  We wouldn't have any need to talk about perfection if there was no imperfection.   Further, the only reason why we come up with ideas like 'perfect' and 'imperfect' is through our senses and thought processes and these things will never allow us to see things as they really are.  They take reality and tint it a certain way.  It is only when we stop modifying and naming and conceptionalizing reality that we can directly experience reality and at that point it makes no sense to describe what reality is for it simply is that which there is none other.  To talk about it being perfect or imperfect is to give it a form and that would make it one among many when it is neither one nor many it just is.

hehe, I'm sure in time I will perfect [] my ability to explain things.

[LordoftheBunnies]

If you are speaking of terms of perfection being relative and subject to interpretation, then I would agree with you.  Whenever I meditate, the awareness of the moment brings a peace with it where chaos, perfection and flaws no longer apply.  However, what I am speaking of is this new age belief that everything is controlled and structured exactly as God intended it to be, and that it is therefore perfect.  Because everything that has form, from humans to karma to God, is finite and striving to become more, it is thus not perfect in the sense of being complete and having no more need of growth.  In other words, sometimes even God can make mistakes.

quote:Do you know what your brain does? It converts THOUGHT into MATTER.

All you can see is MATTER and so you do not understand that all there REALLY is, is THOUGHT.

The way you think BunnyMan, is through using your limited perspective to set YOUR 'expectations' upon the UNIVERSE. You are playing the role of a CELL questioning the BODY, except not through knowledge but ignorance.

I think you misunderstood my post. I don't expect the universe to act in any specific manner, other than in developing love.  The universe, us, grows because it has the will and desire too.  Still, that does not mean that everything always happens as is intended, and thus flaw in that sense does exist.  

However, it seems to me that you are projecting your own views, views heavily influenced by your preference for the C and Ra channelings.  Although I will read them, you talk about it as if I need to read them to gain true knowledge.

And, as I'm sure you may think this, I must state that I do not totally agree with everything Michael said either.  I may be a cell questioning the body, but, well sometimes us ignorant cells don't get as much oxygen and glucuse as we might like, and wonder why the immune systems don't keep away all the bacteria like they're supposed too.  Nevertheless, so far most of what Michael has said makes more sense to me than the generic New Age goobledegook that gets put up on the internet.

[SpectralDragon]

quote:Originally posted by BlackBox

I'm really low on energy today and I apologize for the term "BunnyMan", but that is where the 'rudeness' ends, SD.

Considering the big topics we are covering, I don't think it is a big deal.

Stick to the topic.

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EDIT: In hind-sight, I agree that from looking at my post(s), I've brought a bit of emotion into my thoughts and that allowed some 'abusive ad hominem' that shouldn't have been placed.

I apologize again. Today has been a rough day, and I will remain civil. []

That was not what I was talking about THIS is what I was talking about:

quote:is through using your limited perspective to set YOUR 'expectations' upon the UNIVERSE

Again I ask you, why the personal attack? Low on energy just...seems like an excuse. I am not asking you to reply to me, but ask the question of yourself.

Now I will start on my long winded reply.

[BlackBox]

True enough LOTB.

I think I have said my peace. We all have our own realities and perhaps I'm consuming myself with trying to get others to see mine.

Foolish indeed.
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Anyways, back to creative-writing of fictional worlds.

My final note: The draining effect that SD experiences was my initial point before I went 'postal'. That is my concern and also my thought on perhaps NOT asking SD to further summon Michael's energies.

I have a gut feeling that he is being distracted and diverted. He obviously creates a lot of energy. For that reason alone, manipulation to suck it out of him on a regular basis is a particular agenda.

Namaste.

[halfphased]

But the striving is just an illusion.  You are that which you are striving for.  Errr, well maybe that isn't exactly correct, because what you think you are striving for may not be THAT but rather an concept of what you think THAT is.

No matter what anyone claims God is trying to do or is doing etc. it will only be correct up to a certain point, for all knowledge claims rely upon our sense and thoughts to derive their meaning and those things are only able to give us a view of reality which is tinted by lense that it looks through.

[halfphased]

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Whether or not it was intended as a personal attack, it simply is how it is.  We all suffer from our 'limited perspectives' placing 'expectations upon the UNIVERSE'

We can only describe the universe through our perceptions, which are naturally limiting.

Just trying to shine some light via a disco ball spinning in the center of the room.  If it is not appreciated, I understand.  Have a great day.

[SpectralDragon]

Let us start with a fresh new page. Put on the title: "Channeling/ Mediations"
list of mediations:
-Michael (my case)
List of Channelings:
-Michael
-Ra
-Lizard-Man(sorry forgot the name of them)
-Zeta's
-Cassiopeans

WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT CHANNELINGS:
-The Entity takes control of the physical body for a time, pushing aside the consciousness but not altogether pushing it out of the body.
-In cases on the internet, automatic writing occurs (Euphoric Sunrise I hope you are reading this)
-When the body is left in the "I am free to be taken over state"  any other spirits who look to take control will jump in. During this state the mind of the channeler goes into a very temporary state of "deadness." This state is so brief that another human will not notice it happening.
-The two consciousness's are in the same body, but the original consciousness is "buried"

WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT MEDIATIONS
-Not a channeling
-Is the same as if talking to a spirit, as that is what is going on. The Mediator later relates what was said OR relates as is being said.
-If neg is to try to take advantage then they will have to copy the atmosphere and essence of the being. Or take advantage of first time contact and unept knowledge and understanding of what essence and atmosphere of being are like.


WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT NEGS
-Like to find ways of making reality apparent so they can twist perception to a form that suits them.
-Steal energy
-like to do things in ways that will leave them with maximum benifit and little loss if something goes wrong.

From here I am going to read the Ra and other channelings.

Negative's of all:
-Highly Questionable and highly unverifiably source from all sides
-All sides have made some people very upset, going against the "god and higher beings are perfect" assumption.
-Individual negatives:
RA

Ra apparently is an alien race of beings. If the relationship between god and these beings is true the egyptians were...fooled. However the statement: we will be seen more and more.... can be related to the multiple reports of UFO's across, however the description of this ship and the description of those ships do not match. Furthermore, the dates are somewhat wrong for these occurences unless "soon" spans many, many years. (first UFO sightings recorded: early 1900's,)(The year of statement: 1974)(Year of bursts of UFO's: 1960's)(another burst: recently in mexico 2004)This of course could be "other spacefarer's"

APPARENT RA TACTICS NOTE: If you have studied war tactics and some small psychology you would not that there are some major tactics using apparent "You are the bad guy we are the good guy" hints in the channelings. This is a common tactic used by military to ground the home people onto thier side. In this case it is used to suggest the wanted feelings subtely and without the awareness of the intent. This tactic is very old and used a lot. These Ra people are either doing it on purpose or perhaps it's part of thier naturality.
MORE, PLEASE WAIT

Cassiopean
Can't seem to find any actual channelings, a lot of articles about why thier channelings are accurate which would appear to hint that either they are not sure of themselves, or something else, but actual channelings seem hard to find, even with search engine.

Micheal Mediation (Spectral Dragon's)
The apparant hard to understand words of this mediation makes people wonder if the mediations are designed as "a glove that can fit most hands" because of the crypticy of the mediations. Also, most answers cannot possibly be verified. Some people, looking for answers, have been bluntly turned down. Some people have also found that the answers were most unsatisfactory.

Positives of each:
Ra:
Years and years of answering questions and still going is a huge plus for this. The fact that UFO's are sighted is also a huge plus. Some of the answers, while somewhat cryptic, can be used for self-enlightenment as told by many people going by the channelings here.

Cassiopean: while I myself could not find channelings from them on the particular site given to me I have spoken to a known good source that these channelings have been researched and verified in small ways. The fact that they present some proof for thier own channelings is a big plus as well.

Micheal: people have benifited from this mediation. (that's seriously all I could come up with at the moment)
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Now that I got the "official looking basics" down I would like to say that on the "official looking basics" My mediations seems small and mediocre compared to the other sources. However the points against Ra in particular lead me to believe something else going on behind the scenes is occuring. Go figure, someone said the same thing for mine. The best conclusion I can come up with is:

TAKE CHANNELINGS WITH A GRAIN OF SALT.

Further, I would like to add that Micheal does not speak to me with words. I have to translate the atmosphere/visions he is giving me, and as such a huge reason those answers are cryptic is my own fault, even if micheal doesn't want some answers to be plain as day.