Discussion of Archangel Michael's answers

[James S]

Lord of the Bunnies,
What you and Spectral are doing together is excellent!!! Very good way to learn and develop. Keep an open mind towards the issue of trust though. The more experienced you get, the more you will learn that there are spirits who will come to you that you should indeed trust. Working on a basis of trust with the spirit world is a very important step. That is not to say that you should trust anything or everything. It is to say that as your skills grow, your intuition and your sensitivity to the spirit world will tell you more accurately just what you should and should not trust.

Keep up the good work! []

Akensai,
Could I suggest please that you spend a little more time studying mediumship before making such comments. I mean REALLY studying it, from people in the business, and from books by people in the business. Your comments are way off!

My definition of a mediator is NOT MY definition! It is the definition of mediums and spiritual teachers who have written books on the subject, and the definition used by those who study the practice.

You seem to be treating what I say as a personal attack against Spectral. Far from it. I believe, especially after what LoB has just spoken of, that he certainly is well on the way to having the skills needed to be a very good medium, and I'd dare say he could cofidently call himself a medium already - it appears he has the clairvoyance and clairsentience abilities there already.

When a medium gets to the level of skill to be a mediator, trust in the spirits being channeled is either absolute or not at all. A mediator must be that good, or they should not be mediating for others.

This is why I say I would rather listen to the words of someone who is honest and open in admitting that they are learning to be a medium, rather than someone coming straight out and saying they are mediating a high level being. The latter is not by any means impossible, read up a little on people such as Edgar Cayce. But it does require a skill set that I feel has not yet been shown here.

However, if Spectral or anyone else here CAN show that they have put the time, effort and study in, and CAN show that they have the skill set necessary to be a mediator, they are welcome to channel here.

Why I bring up this point is that this forum has had enough people passing themselves off as channelers, and more than enough arguments over the subject. I think it's time for that to be turned around, for people to firstly be completely honest and up front about what they can or cannot do, and NOT be in it for an ego boost, and secondly for others to realise that being a good medium requires a great deal of patience, practice and development, and not to shoot them down if they make a mistake.

If either of those things cannot happen, then perhaps people should seriously think about whether they should be channeling for a forum like this, or if perhaps they're better off developing their skills amongst friends and other mediums in their area, or just working one on one with people online via email or PM.

False channelings, as have been seen in abundance on the internet, do nobody any good at all.

Spectral,
I apologise if any of my words to you have come across as negative or discoraging. Please, whatever you do, don't be discoraged! I'd hate to see someone with your skills put off developing further because of disagreements on the internet. I come at this from a position of wanting to make sure that what is being presented here from the spirits is trustworthy. Yes, there's that word again, but I maintain that trust is such a very important element that people need to learn if they are to continue dealing with spirits, especially trust in self.

That, I think, is probably all I need say here on this whole subject.
As a forum moderator, and as a "medium in training" myself (in Australia learner drivers must display an "L" plate on their car - I should probably wear one when attending my psychic development circle []), I'd really like to see this whole topic of discussion be taken out of the realm of the snake oil salesmen, and put squarly back where it belongs as an important and useful area of spiritual development.

Kind regards,
James.

[SpectralDragon]

quote:Originally posted by James S


Spectral,
I apologise if any of my words to you have come across as negative or discoraging. Please, whatever you do, don't be discoraged! I'd hate to see someone with your skills put off developing further because of disagreements on the internet. I come at this from a position of wanting to make sure that what is being presented here from the spirits is trustworthy. Yes, there's that word again, but I maintain that trust is such a very important element that people need to learn if they are to continue dealing with spirits, especially trust in self.

quote:Spectral, I'm sorry but as far as mediators go, this is not correct.

I am also going to say that what I said about mediums always being put to the question is not just my own... it's a known fact among many mediums. That Cassiopean site, for example (fake though it seems to be, I can't seem to find any Cassie's anywhere, nor reptilians unless they are in the guise of such to confuse I will note that I HAVE seen greys, surprisingly enough), also says "there is a chance something can go wrong" (they then go on to say that "but the chances of us going wrong are slim to none) Mediumship is just like everything else in life, there is always something that can go wrong, and especially with this. Since you seem to have made your choice in this that's all I am going to say on that matter except that this is a very questionable situation that mediums have been arguing about since the subject of mediumship was explored.

Secondly: I never said I was questioning myself. I will have you note that I have caught some spirits trying to fake micheal (very easy to spot them, micheal is quite unique.) I made no claims of my skills in mediumship up till this point because quite simply, I was pushed into doing this, and knew that eventually this thread would become "ovverriden/locked out/told to stop" It was inevitable. If I boast of my skill to prove that I can do something that is, quite frankly, contradictory to most people claiming to "set ego aside" for such things.

The pure reason I am telling people to question mediums: As a former skeptic, I understand that people do not want to trust this kind of thing. They have no reason to, and nobody gives suffiecient proof in the eyes of a skeptic.

James I agree you are only being fair here, but you seem to be...not trying to understand my point of view.

One thing I don't qualify for: very hard for me to translate the "vision/ atmosphere" way micheal speaks into words, very difficult to do If you wish me to stop because this is causing problems I completely understand.

Unfortunately I am having trouble getting my contacts.

Finally, from what you said above I am guessing you want me to halt my mediations for the moment?  Can I do the questions people wanted me to do on saturday but I didn't get to yet?

[James S]

quote:Originally posted by SpectralDragon
I made no claims of my skills in mediumship up till this point because quite simply, I was pushed into doing this, and knew that eventually this thread would become "ovverriden/locked out/told to stop" It was inevitable. If I boast of my skill to prove that I can do something that is, quite frankly, contradictory to most people claiming to "set ego aside" for such things....

.....Finally, from what you said above I am guessing you want me to halt my mediations for the moment?  Can I do the questions people wanted me to do on saturday but I didn't get to yet?

You can detail your level of knowledge, experiences and skills without being boastful. It is not being egotistical to speak of your credentials when someone has asked about them.

Nobody has stepped in to shut down your thread, and nobody I know of intends to. This is your decision to make. If you feel you were pushed into this, do you feel that you are doing the right thing by others here by continuing this type of mediation?

As I mentioned previously, these actions carry with them kharmic responsibilities and concequences. I can't make the decision if you are or aren't doing the right thing here, only you can. Only you can say when you think this should stop. I won't get in the way.

Regards,
James.

[PuffAddr]

It seems that everyone here is saying the same thing, but from a different viewpoint and everyone thinks it's different.  But I don't see much difference.

James feels trust verified from a more 'professional' type angle - an outter mentor, would make him feel comfy because he is the moderator and doesn't want any hokies on this forum and is worried about his readers (I assume here).  That is his best.

Spectral Dragon has cautiously gained trust in the Michael/Spectral Dragon relationship thru his own private methods of inner testing.  This is his best.

Akensai opinionates that true trust can only be had by the one doing it because the rest of us are spectators. This is his best view of it.

Lord of the Bunnies is helping Spectral Dragon verify as much as possible thru doing buddy work on the inner. This is his best.

So guys, it looks like everyone is all looking at the same object here, and it looks like a consensus has been formed.

I, for one, do NOT want to know what Spectral Dragon has had to go thru to get to this point.  It really is none of our business, and feel it would be very unfair to make him bare his soul needlessly.  I agree with Akensai, that, like anything else we come across in life, we have to do our own evaluating to see if we want to use it.  We do that with all other things (even going to the doctor).  It always boils down to that no matter what the source is. That is the bottom line, nitty gritty folks.

So, to the best of Spec's ability he is working his heart out for us.

I say to all of you.  There are those of us who like what he is doing, WE trust it, even if you don't.  If YOU don't like it, leave the thread.  There are many other interesting threads here.  This thread's purpose is not to provide proof to anyone about anything, I don't care what you want.  Like Spectral Dragon says -- take what you can accept or get off the boat and go where you feel comfy. And that is why he says it like that...you never force your stuff on anyone.  

It has already been established (as much as possible) that this is not a hokie site, those of us who are asking questions are VERY sincere.  And I, for one, don't want the rest of you messing up and chasing away this talented guy!

I came here to this forum expressly for this purpose.  I read all the way thru all the posts on 2 other channeling threads and everyone chased away the guy because they wanted proof, they weren't happy.  And neither was I when I got all the way to the end to find this out.  So don't I have rights too?  Give people some credit for brains here, ok?

Spectral deserves some space.  He has rights too!  You people have no idea how hard it is to find someone like this who is sincere and has scruples!  Don't chase him off.  

I think everyone, somehow, is slowly realizing they are saying he same thing from different aspects, and wants to continue.

......>putting duct tape over mouth before I get dragged offstage....

[Sam]

Heya Puff, very good that you mentioned that as reading through this thread I was amazed at the amount of times I'd seen the same argument come from the different perspectives.

You missed a few of the people off your list though, what do you think about Nay's opinion, or Blackbox's opinion?  Or should we stop singling one another out here and start trying to be a little more objective about what we are trying to prove.

I could make an assumption about what you just said, then post a big huge quote from somewhere...

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...but that would make it seem like I have no ability to think for myself.  People be clear and consice about what your intentions are, because no-one wants to read through 2 pages of someones personal opinion.

Unless people who make posts on this forum are careful to tip-toe around everyones nay-saying triggers, there is always a big argument that is like a playground argument.  I have seen absolutely no tangible evidence in the arguments presented in this particular thread, other than mindless name calling.  Thanks to the provider of this website, but you really need to keep your children (of all ages) under control.

SD is doing his best to help other people, and if you don't need his help, don't abuse him.  So is every other decent person around here.  You wouldn't walk up to an ambulance driver at an accident scene and try to take his keys because you think automobiles pollute the environment too much would you?  If someone is trying to help other people who respect and request such help, what possible motive will drive you to try and stop them?  Is your help BETTER?  Is everyone being helped perhaps more stupid or ignorant than you because they trust the person who is helping them?  Do you realise this is how you are making the help-seekers feel when you attack their helper?

I talk about help because SD has helped me a great deal, which in turn has helped me actually get on with life.  If that isn't help then I don't know what is.  If you (yes, you) feel that this is wrong then that is your problem.  At least I am happier and don't think about killing myself every day any more.  Thanks SD, for reiki and advice and helping me deal with those pesky negs.

Anyway, rant over, feel free to flame me because I have the nerve to stand up and defend someone who has happened to help me a great deal.

[Nay]

Yikes!  someone pee in your cornflakes this morning Sam?

Haven't seen you about lately, how goes it?

I thought most of the posts in this thread were stated in a matter of fact way, not flaming as yours and puffs...Hmmmmmmmmm..very curious.

I would love to hear how Spectral has been helping, feel free to discuss it!

Smiles~ Nay

[PuffAddr]

When I care, I get emotional.  Taking drink of tea...[:I]  Hmmm, so that is flaming.  To me it was discussion, and I rather enjoyed it.  Will try to be more 'tame' in the future, just be aware I have a portable soap box (my most favorite piece of junk furniture).  As I am aware you have a quick 'delete' key!

Wrote it this a.m. before leaving for work, so apologize for leaving out everyone else.  Early morning thinking isn't my cup of, well, tea.[]

[MJ-12]

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[Mystic Cloud]

quote:Originally posted by Nay

Yikes!  someone pee in your cornflakes this morning Sam?

Haven't seen you about lately, how goes it?

I thought most of the posts in this thread were stated in a matter of fact way, not flaming as yours and puffs...Hmmmmmmmmm..very curious.

I would love to hear how Spectral has been helping, feel free to discuss it!

Smiles~ Nay

He has helped verify own view-points of things. First you come up with an idea that this must be so or close atleast. Then it gets verified.
As simple as that []

[Nay]

Ahhhhhh..ok, thank you Mystic cloud..[^]

Smiles~ Nay

[SpectralDragon]

Since things have seemed to cool down here at least a little bit, I am waiting for lordofthebunnies promised "list."

[LordoftheBunnies]

Oh I'll get it eventually, I just have to round up a bunch of people and see it they want to add anything to it or not.  Since some of them haven't seen this debate, I'm not sure if they'll agree.

[SpectralDragon]

Posted - 04 March 2004 :  17:45:07  

Ouch, I have only done 20 mediations since then? [xx(]

88 pages on 10 point font...ouch That's a lot of reading you guys who just started this are doing...and that's just the questions and answers.

EDIT: I take that back, I am trying to make an easy to read thing for you guys but only got it down to 68 pages... ouch.. that's just Q&A not anything else.

[narfellus]

You know SD, people get mediations like this published. Genuine ones (which i feel this is for the most part, aside from "interference") that are presented openly and honestly for humanity are wonderful to read. I've been studying The Kryon and other channelings and find it all fascinating. Still, i have to admit that the answers Michael gives are sometimes so cryptic and short that the answer is more frustrating than the question!

[SpectralDragon]

quote:Originally posted by narfellus

You know SD, people get mediations like this published. Genuine ones (which i feel this is for the most part, aside from "interference") that are presented openly and honestly for humanity are wonderful to read. I've been studying The Kryon and other channelings and find it all fascinating. Still, i have to admit that the answers Michael gives are sometimes so cryptic and short that the answer is more frustrating than the question!

That's my fault. I gave an explanation of this a few posts back.

[Van-Stolin]

Man, SD those anwsers are just great.  The kyubi that Michele talked about is also mentioned in an anime called Narato, a Nine Tailed Fox Youkai that ravaged the land, but was sealed into a young boy, a rather good anime.

I am very freaked out by his response to my other question though and I am fully convinced that this is real becuase he couldn't have known about her or the others in any other way unless you acctually 'know' me.  I won't post anything he told me here, it is too privite and I really need to think on the things that he said.

[SpectralDragon]

quote:Originally posted by Van-Stolin

Man, SD those anwsers are just great.  The kyubi that Michele talked about is also mentioned in an anime called Narato, a Nine Tailed Fox Youkai that ravaged the land, but was sealed into a young boy, a rather good anime.

I am very freaked out by his response to my other question though and I am fully convinced that this is real becuase he couldn't have known about her or the others in any other way unless you acctually 'know' me.  I won't post anything he told me here, it is too privite and I really need to think on the things that he said.

I didn't even know what the heck he was talking about [xx(] Though I knew what the kiyubi was I didn't know what he was refferencing it to.

But I am glad that it helped you out.

[Van-Stolin]

Yeah, I didn't think you would.  Though what he said is dead on, the strength through interference is right on with what happened, I don't know why he would start to mention this though and SD I have to say that this has to be true becuase you couldn't have known that I call my GF my mate.  I will think of some more questions when I can.

[Mystic Cloud]

During my 'enlightened' period last spring I gained
vast amounts of deep and very abstract knowledge.

It was so abstract that I was not sure about the truthness about it,
but to my surprise some of Michaels answers (not to my questions)
have indicated directly that most of it has indeed been true.
This is also one reason why it is easy to connect and relate
to the answers because many things about the structure I have
already experienced.

Unfortunately I can't even remember half of it because
there were so much of it []

[Sentential]

Yo SD, you havent been on AIM much, and Ive been damn busy as well. But I gotta get some more info on the Chimera ive got.

Micheal said earlier, that I myself am not the Chimera. But that beggs the question still... WTF am I?

I know its been difficult to analyze my aura as of late, and the negs have stepped up their effort. I think they sense that they are losing the war, and begining to see me make foreward progress out of their hands.

Although this news is somewhat dis-concerting. I almost feel like f*ing Frodo and the ring. No one gives 2 s**** about be, instead, what I have.

Im gonna have to be awefully cautious these next few days. Im not sure who to trust anymore. You already know that my judgement has been affected as of late. At this point I am on the verge of not listening to myself. All I get from my gut feelings are lies[xx(]

[Reality]

I like the new and advanced version of Michael.

Still I can't imagine why, if there are any here, aliens would steal life energy from us humans. They should know better?

[BlackBox]

quote:Still I can't imagine why, if there are any here, aliens would steal life energy from us humans. They should know better?

We slaughter 2nd density life for our food. Considering our placed ethics, morals, and advanced spiritual consciousness compared to animals, you would think 'we' would know better also.

[Mystic Cloud]

quote:Originally posted by BlackBox

quote:Still I can't imagine why, if there are any here, aliens would steal life energy from us humans. They should know better?

We slaughter 2nd density life for our food. Considering our placed ethics, morals, and advanced spiritual consciousness compared to animals, you would think 'we' would know better also.

Hmm haven't thought about that in the termes of densities []
Though I suppose we slaughter 3rd density life also for our food.
(Schimpansees for example, now talk about cannibalism [xx(] )

[Reality]

quote:Originally posted by BlackBox

quote:Still I can't imagine why, if there are any here, aliens would steal life energy from us humans. They should know better?

We slaughter 2nd density life for our food. Considering our placed ethics, morals, and advanced spiritual consciousness compared to animals, you would think 'we' would know better also.

Yeah that might be truth though. But in my frame of thinking the more spiritually advanced one becomes the more they despice taking advantage of others. Then again, if some one them supposedly have no emotions, they literally can't care. But then another...I can't imagine there are intelligent beings that have no whatsoever emotions at all, I mean isn't that the same like being a ...yeah..yeahh...a Borg?(first wanted to say computer)

[jilola]

Reality:

quote:But in my frame of thinking the more spiritually advanced one becomes the more they despice taking advantage of others.

Would it be fair to say that in the spiritual sense takining advantage of another starts when a person expects to gain more out of the other than what he/she needs?
In other words hunting for food, for example, is not taking advantage but hunting beyond the need for food is?

2cents & L&L
jouni