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Another possibility could be, that it is not possible to do that. Because it all happens in your mind.
But this is another story..

Lionheart, I have also a question about your 30 years trip. You feel it was like 30 years, right? But you also experienced 30 years? Like day and night in astral, 365days a year and that for 30 years? So you should have memory about eating or going to somewhere, relationships, jobs, friends, university, natural disasters, war, happiness, sadness and so on? In 30 years you should remember about 2000 people you have met.

The whole Aware Study failed. 5 Years study for this? They want to go on with it but it would be better to stop this right now!

Or there should be someone else who leads this study, someone who has knowledge about this stuff. What do you think?

yeah, look at the results of this 5 years study. But what about a gigantic study with OBEler? Because of internet there are more OBEler than in the 70s or 80s. You can find them more easier.

And then you do it with modern science and not with the science methods n the 70s where some people like Uri Geller can foul scientists.

TylerSnotgern show your stories. Maybe Sam Parnia read this article so his next study will not be about NDE but about OBE. There he can do the image tests with 1000 of OBEler.

And then there is no "maybe these, maybe that" as a result.

By the way here are the results of aware study:

http://www.abstractsonline.com/Plan/ViewAbstract.aspx?sKey=98ecd07e-214a-4bc4-9e2a-3e16692fdfb7&cKey=d6b5998d-9962-42c8-b184-a57d57ef8353&mKey={951E351E-429C-4B2E-84D0-8DA73B00DE45}



"Placement of images corresponded with only 33% of all CA locations. " What that mean? Does it mean, that only 33% of all CA locations had placed images?

If I understand correctly, there are 16 of 2060 cardiac arrest who had a real NDE. And there is ONE of 2060 who accurately described details corresponding with a verifiable period of at least 3-5 minutes of CA. But in his room they had not placed images. So all in all no one saw these Images.

You say 99.9% of all validations happen unexpectedly, I ask me really why! why u cannot control it if its real possible to get new information in OBE. You would have such a big advantage.

I will be skeptic, but you are right. I will try again some experiments! OBE is a big secret and I do not really know how this another world really works. For example why you can hear music from a orchestra you never heard before and it sounds good? the mind has such great power!

I dont want to change my whole worldview just on stories some people experienced. If I would experience such unbelievable stories on my own, I would gonna go crazy.  It would destroy my complete worldview from one day to another.

I made a lot of experiments in OBE at the beginning to get to know this phenomenon better. Until now I had NEVER experienced something that would change my normal worldview. On Obe I looked at cards to see if I can read them, I remebered things, I interacted with food, Objects, with my cat, talked to my family members to see if they can remeber my visit, read books in OBE. There was nothing unusual or paranormal (Just the coke story maybe but thats it).

I want to say that I prooved for myself and other people should also try to proove to theirselve and not just read books about how real OBEs are. The story about the bag behind the fridge might be very scary and nice to read but you should build your beliefe if OBEs can be real or not primary about your own experience in OBE.

Ok that's the strangest story I ever heard, I respect your perception that there could be something more. But it was no OBE, sounds like remote viewing? Sometimes I hear also voices before OBE but they say things that doesn't make sense.


Now I tell you about my experiment: I wanted to know how you can taste food in OBE and if its like in reality. So my first experiment was about to buy an Mc Chicken from Mc Donalds and I ate a half of the Mc Chicken before I went to bed and the another half I wanted to eat in the morning.

I started my OBE, fly to the Mc Chicken which was near to my bed. I opened the package and there I saw a full Mc Chicken. I ate only a half of it and it tasted a little bit dry but however there was the typical Mc Chicken taste so I was surprised how real it was. On the next morning I forgot that I ate the one half the night before. I went to the package, opened it and expected a full Mc Chicken. But there was only a half, so I thought first I ate it in OBE. I was scared, I asked everyone in my home if they ate a halfe from my mc chicken ( which was hidden on a cabinet) but of course they didnt.  A few weeks later I realized, that I ate a half of the Mc Chicken before I went to bed and i just forgot it.

So this experiment showed me, that in OBE you can have almost the same taste of a certain food you know like the taste in reality. But what about food you never eat before? What taste would it have in OBE?
I buyed pralinen I never ate before and I had no Idea how they could taste by looking at them. I put three of them on my cablinet and then I ate them in OBE. All three pralinen tasted like nothing. It was strange, It was like eating a cardboard.
This experiment showed me, that it must be all in your mind. Your mind cannot create a new taste, because it dont know how these things could taste. It has no memory about it. So your OBE must connect with your mind, since this I believe 100 % it is all in your mind.

ok, you have a better story than mine? I know u can only prove to yourselve. I am curious what it could be, I want to listen about your experience. And dont cite any spiritual autors, share with me your own experience.

If this story is good, I will tell you another story, an self-experiment I did for myselfe two times on OBE. Since then I know the power of your mind and its limitation. Since these experiments I know it is all in your mind.

How is this book from Anthony peake called which u have recommended? I want to read t.

"All the famous Autors..habe never come to the conclusion 'its all in your mind"

As i said already, no one would read books about this phenomenon if the Autor says its
All in your mind. This book would be boring and no one would buy it.
With OBE there is a market of esotheric freaks who needs new stuff and magical stories.
Monroe knew how to sell and he made a business of this phenomenon. He is like Uri Geller.

Yeah there should be some people with their OWN true experience. But where are they? Most of the people only tell stories of other peoples who write about other peoples who experienced something unusual. And then there are so many peoples who read  esoteric books about OBE, that their experience about OBE is distorted and they believe in everything ( ghosts, angels, dead people flying around). They should not follow these ridiculous theories, this does not help to clearly understood this phenomenon.

There are too much theories out there, the best explanation is still that it is all in your mind. Because your mind has the power to create these worlds. If you can get informations through obe then in evolution these people would survive at the best and everyone would do an obe. But actually only some people do this and they have no advantages to those who dont because its all imagination and just for fun.

I hope the aware results bring some esoteric people back to reality.

ps: I am not Randi, I am Ofen

What I want to say is, that most of them are lying to themselves.

I had also some stories where some of you would think that this is a real evidence. For example I started an obe where I was flying to my brothers house (I live in another town). There I went to the fridge because I wanted to eat something. In the upper shelfs there were a lot of bottles of beer.
Normally there is no beer in the fridge, because my brother usually dont put them into the fridge. But there was something I was more surprised: in the bottom shelf there was a single bottle of coke. I was really wondering why there is a coke there. Because my brother don't drink coke. I drinked the coke, taste was good

After 2 month of this experience I visited him. And as I opened the fridge, there was this coke and I remembered sawing this coke in my OBE. Apparently he changed his drinking behaviour. He buy almost every day a coke and put them into the bottom shelft of the fridge.

So this could be a good story for evidence, BUT I dont want to lie to myselve. I remembered hardly when I saw my brother before this OBE experience and could it possible that he drunk coke before and I also saw it? And yes I remembered there was one time where he buyed a coke before my OBE experience.
Yeah, do not underestimate your mind! You can forget things and see them in your OBE again and there it could be new to you but you saw it already.

So whats your story?

@ desert As I already said, these are all just stories. I cannot understand you, you can experience your own OBE one hundred of times and proof to yourselve if its real.

I guess you never had experienced such incredible stories like these people in the magazins or monroe. Why you believe these people? They could write these experiences just for money! If an autor writes a book or an article about his experiences in OBE where he writes, that nothing is magical about obes, that all is just in your mind like a dream and that is his opinion, nobody would read this.

And why are so many people so naive, thinking that if someone who experienced an OBE or near dead experience, that this person must be a good person who could never lie?

I have many years experience in OBEs and did a lot of experiments in terms of verification. First I thought it must be real, because it looks so real. But everyone who do this for a longer time comes to the result: its all in your mind.

There are many crazy stories around the world about obe, near death experiences. Someone will say, why should all these people lie?
But you must realize,  there are also many storys about ufos, nessie, big food and so on. People can lie on themselve. And sometimes, they lie for money and a little bit attention. So go to bed, start an obe and make your own experience and do not read so much stories.


I hope this study will be serious and give us the results so that esoteric people can change their perception about obe s. I love this phenomenon, but reading all this bovine excrement from some esoteric people on the internet disturbes me.

http://www.horizonresearch.org/main_page.php?cat_id=279

"At this time, they anticipate being able to release the preliminary results obtained during the first five years of the study in September or October 2013 to mark the fifth anniversary of the launch of the study."

Where are the results?? I guess they have nothing really special. However they should have been released these results already..