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Hello, Jobun, a warm welcome to the boards.

So what kind of experience do you have OBEs, AP, lucid dreaming, etc.. ??

When did it all begin for you?

I might have thought that myself, too, Xanth, that it was neurological. I highly recommend not going there, I am sure you have salt and a snack baggie in your house. My mind was blown when this worked, but it somehow miraculously does. My situation was so bad/ongoing that I was literally ready to try anything. I can't imagine not having tried this. It would have been a supreme miss to be sure. I have do doubt the coffee isn't helping, and I am all but certain that like with tobacco we lace coffee beans these days. Aside from a single year in my life when I was working round the clock for a period of time, I've never touched the stuff. This is saying a lot as I've engaged in fairly everything else that is 'addictive', lol. Coffee has just been one of those things I could never do. It was incredibly hard to start, incredibly hard to keep at, and incredibly painful to stop. This is how I think I know what I do about the lacing. Anyway, I hope you will try the salt packs sooner than later. The relief this supplies is nothing short of miraculous.

[Right now I'm suffering through some restless leg syndrome crap which is making it VERY HARD to sit still or even fall asleep.]

You and me both!  I stopped actively practicing a good ten years ago... deciding to get back into it.
Right now I'm suffering through some restless leg syndrome crap which is making it VERY HARD to sit still or even fall asleep.  Working through it though!  I'm giving up coffee for a while to see if that's the trigger - soooooooo sleeepy now.  haha

Xanth,

Since the onset of my OBEs I have had an anomaly at the base of my spine that causes the legs to shake. It used to be a lot worse, of course, ( it has been near 15 years ), and although generally very slight now it has never fully gone away. Years back I made a discovery that actually works for this. I will quote myself:

"The something is SALT, a good quality mineral salt placed externally both at the base of the head and/or base of the spine. Measure about a half cup of pink salt, or maybe more and pour it into a snack baggie. I then place this into a cotton/canvas type sack and tuck it into the waist of my pant there at/near the sacrum. It stays in place all night. *Another can be placed at the base of the head when reclined on a pillow. ( but I have never needed it ).

When I first heard ( from the Galactic Historian ) to do this I was not holding out any hope of it actually working. I just thought let's try it, let's see what this is. I have been experiencing this stray energy thing down my legs for so long. To my astonishment, IT WORKED. It has been working since the very day I first tried it, and, I will tell you squarely, in all these years nothing has been able to help me with this.

For years I have been confounded as to how exactly the salt pack work. It just does, it works and works and works. Every time. Even if I don't get the salt pack in place until after the wacko energy begins at the sacrum. I place the pack there and WITHIN A MINUTE the energy returns completely to right. Just recently it hit me. When I was being directed to some information on grounding.

"The salt of the Earth." - yes it must be that the salt is acting as a ground.

Grounding the energy so it stops going haywire."


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Being so grateful for the information coming my way, I like to pass it on to anyone I think it might also help. If you try it, ( it is so simple ), let me know if it works for you. I will note here that the salt, being a crystal, periodically needs to be cleared to continue working. I place my salt packs onto selenite bricks, quite inexpensive to acquire, this way they just always stay cleared.

Kodemaster, I notice, though it doesn't happen often, when it does nightmares can happen in clusters for a period of time. Are you doing Inner work? ( processing your shadow ). Just eating late at night? Something in between? Is there anything you can identify that was a precursor to this? How many nights has it been going on now??

Ok! I believe I got her back up and online!!

Check it out:  https://astralpulse.com/frankkepple.html

Most of the links on it don't work, but I don't want to mess with it right now. 
It's accessible now, that's all that's important. 

Good job, Xanth!

Thank you for the effort you put into this.

I remember it being Frank, and this resource that first brought me to The Astral Pulse.

Good memories. Good energy in all this, still ( ! ).

You laid this out really well. ( Congratulations )

Yes, I have had many such experiences, sometimes it is through a quick shift in perception, as you've outlined, sometimes a slower, more gradual process. It can be different depending on whether I floor sit or lay myself down. I seem to get 'further' if I lay myself down, but I am making strides in the floor sitting position. The first thing that happens when I deliberately go in for data, is a shift in feeling. In easy words, my whole experience turns inside out. What this is, is a shift from a physical based perspective to a consciousness base one, where nothing remains outside of myself -- all is in what I myself AM. Once I recognize the 'turn'/change/shift, at this point I generally begin receiving symbols. I follow and note them until they stop. This is when activity and scenes begin to unfold. Dialogue between those present and myself can happen. I follow it all for as long as I can. For the most part this all occurs from a primary position in the Void, but there can be phases within it all where, like you, I pop more into a 3D surround sound experience.

This whole process is much like what you hear from the Monroe Explorers, where they are taken into a booth, guided inward, and report back ( to Bob ) from the out of body state. Learning to speak while in this state is no easy feat. I practiced it myself for a year or so a few years back. If anyone is interested you can read and watch me move through this process here. I recorded the sessions, there are many videos to chose from. I would be interested to know if anyone else here has ever given this a go, and what your experiences were like.

Regarding the sensation you felt at the brow, Donut, and even interior to it >>

I consciously "go in" a lot, every day, for many years, and I often watch the process of moving from the blackness in front of my closed, through the void, hypnogogs/hypnopomps, into where it is that full lifelike 'dreams' begin to come in. I have discovered, within myself at least, a certain geometry that lay in the center of the skull. Two interpenetrating conical shapes. Situating myself inside the ( diamond shaped ) center of these I have access to more than I can ever describe. To see the shape/geometry I am mentioning and read a bit more about this <-- you can look here.

This is sad beyond belief. I have no words.

I have always had the vibrations in some way, shape or form. They are not always the MEGA vibrations they were when I first began going out, but they are always something. Not necessarily each and every time, but way more often than not. I suspect it is because I remain conscious within every aspect and element of the shift. My consciousness has always broken it down into discernible components. It has been an area of great fascination and study for me. I want to see every little bit of what happens in there. Internal frame workings have always been what holds the bulk of my attention. I will say, also, that due to this, due to at all times throughout the OBE centering myself first within the shift ( ie: remaining in wave form ) I experience synchronous states, what Tom Campbell calls parallel processing. I can be in multiple environments all at once. <— This is the kingpin for me. It hinges on wave form, the vibrational state ( fractaling down into its frequency components ), centering my attention within the shift itself — I am able to ride all the waves.

It has been a long time since I have written in any detail on the subject but a decade ago I wrote this:

Synchronous States: Holding Multiple Realities Simultaneously

Vvvvrrrrmmmmmmmmmm

It is the joy of discussing these things with each other, isn't it? — it leads to deeper and deeper contemplation. Our ideas evolve as we learn more, and as they evolve they are becoming more open to an increasingly greater spectrum of possibility. Our 3D minds struggle to hold it all for more than mere moments. Discussion helps keep it all alive. I am not sure I will ever cease to be amazed at the experiences we are given in expanded states ( yours mentioned above being an incredible example ). Nor at the shifts into and out of them. May I ask what was behind your original impression of the television? Why did you first think it to mean what you did? I like that you have shifted focus from what you thought of the tv screen, to the Guidance, and the tv being a representation of what they might have been placing there. It can even all be true, all at once, can't it?

Thank you for explaining further what you mean by "outside forces".

Altogether clear now.

EV, yeah, wow, your experience of discovery ( in real time ), ever so much better than mine. I had just begun spontaneously going out of body and couldn't figure out what was happening to me. I had been a disciplined spiritual student multiple decades, I was accustomed with meditation, but not with this! Notably as my experiences involved ET contact. I popped a few words I felt associated with my experiences into a search engine and Robert Monroe was one of the first hits. I listened to some videos on youtube and was blown away to hear that others were experiencing this also ( and it wasn't new! ). Not many videos were out at that time. I bought the trilogy post haste to get more information. The same day I also found Frederick Aardema, his forum board, Explorations in Consciousness. It became my favorite place for many years. SO grateful it was there and active during that time in my life. Transitioning from spiritual student to OBEing near daily for 4 years was not easy. Fun!.. incredibly fun, and intriguing to say the least but the learning curve was nil. I hit the dime and I was running. Fred was a student, or studied the Monroe material. So it was like a replacement for Monroe not still being here. Interesting phenomena for sure how these things come about.

Whew! ( so glad to hear it )

When downsizing and going into minimalistic mode ( for the umpteenth time, lol ) some years back I gave away my entire library. Hundreds and hundreds of books. Those I felt the closest connection with I save and held a give-a-way specifically for my closest friends, most of whom are associated with consciousness studies. Would you believe it? .. of all the books I gave away, that I have EVER given away in all my life the Monroe trilogy was the only one/set that ever came back to me. I figured it must be for a reason so I still have them. Thank you for reminding me of this.

Given my understanding so far of 'outside forces', I realize the broader and deeper context to this idea. It is not a perfect or ideal answer that I wanted, but I can understand its nature.

Please don't stop here. Please continue ( ! )

Goodness. Vacation? I sure do hope those WERE mosquito bites and not bedbugs ( ack ). The latter are notorious for biting in groups of three in a straight line. I had a horrible experience of this in Los Angeles I hope to never repeat in all my life.

Lightbeam, exactly!

We are the very first recipient of all we think and feel. <--this is "karma"

It is not as though we ever have to go back ( or forward ) to correct anything. We are right now in our current life expression the sum total of all we are ever meant to harmonize. So the cessation of what is causing disharmony in us NOW is all that is required to end [ - ] karma. We learn. We are very first recipient of all we think and feel. And we begin to change the way we think and feel. Which changes the way we perceive and experience reality, .. ie: ourselves. Which, in turn, opens us up to the larger order of reality. It is a thing of perfect beauty.

I had a challenging and scary episode a few days ago that put in perspective the fear factor within human experiences. I have known for quite a while now that fear holds a very strong energy when comes to creation. Creation both good and bad. Human characters are born with natural fear programmed in them for the purpose of survival. But that is both a blessing and a curse.

When we set goals in life and deadline by which we want to achieve things, we automatically bring fear in the equation. Fear of not meeting the goals. Whether we want it or not, whether it's conscious or subconscious, it's there by nature. But I realized, the longer I live and the more knowing I have about the multiverse and the journey of the soul on the grand scheme, the less serious I take life and the less I tend to set any deadlines or goals. Thus releasing automatically the fear factor. And I am noticing that good things then just happen and fall into my lap effortlessly. I know what my heart desires, but I don't declare it as an absolute must for happiness.  What I do, is just know that no matter what happens here, I already have all that I desire somewhere in the multiverse. It's all mine. It's just a matter of focus and I can pick from the pool of probabilities, because our lives are not linear. If I manage to release the fear of failure or the fear of the unknown there will be nothing standing on my way. But releasing fear is difficult. I manage most of the time, as I mentioned I don't take life too seriously, I just have fun with whatever comes my way and focus completely on each present moment without holding on to hard past events and without worrying or hoping about the future.

But going back to my recent scary episode, that was a great test and I saw how miraculously it resolved after I successfully removed my fear. It was challenging, my heart was pounding, but I knew I had to face it head on and toughen up. I started repeating "I am not afraid, I am not afraid", but in my heart I was. Then I raised my mind above my character, I thought about the grand scale of my existence on the background of infinity, and I realized that no matter what happens here, it is so insignificant. It passes like a blink of an eye. All of a sudden when I lowered its significance, the fear started to subside. I felt my knowledge expanding even more and swallowing the fear completely. I almost laughed at the fear. I felt at peace in the midst of the fire. Soon after, the episode resolved itself. I think the absence of fear dissipated the energy formation of the episode. There was no "glue" to hold it together.

Perhaps we can use these mental tools to deal with challenges and test manifestation of events, notice how they change based on the changes we apply in our thoughts and emotions.

Bravo!

In many of my experiences I refuse to be afraid. It is almost an innate feeling of disdain I have for weakness. I tap into it. I am curious about the details of your experience, Lightbeam. Are you up for laying the situation out for us? Did it take place IRL or in the inner fields? Is there any more that has come to bear since it happened and you making this post?

[Witness - Verified Personal Proof of Vibrational OBE Energy]

Now!...... back to the regular scheduled program:

Witness - Verified Personal Proof of Vibrational OBE Energy

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I guess I should back and read the original post now, lol.

[I'm with you, but at the same time, I'm tired of the lies of this world and in some cases likely beyond, and I don't want to be tricked any more, if there is even a trick? I simply don't know what the truth is for certain, and after twenty years of searching every nook and cranny, even in my own skull, or "intuition/inner guidance" I don't think I ever can know any particular truth for certain.]

"To discover at no time are we ever truly bound. ( not in the play world, not in the real world )"


I hope you are right. : )

Hi Omcasey,

Thank you so much for your profound message. I understood well what you are saying, in my own interpretation. I mentioned earlier in this thread that other sources I have followed over the years have said similar to what you pointed out, but in varying ways.

I find myself stuck in both points of view simultaneously, yours, play world/duality/unity/transcend it all, and the "duality", or apposing view that the matrix is not something one can escape so easily by un-thinking it out of form either individually and/or collectively.

Part of me believes that at a higher level, or a wider perspective/frequency, what you have said, is the way it is. All of this mess is thought forms I/We create and trap ourselves within, and we can at some point un-trap ourselves by undoing said thought forms, to put it simply.

The other part of me wonders... We/I have been lied to about just about everything, our world, our institutions, our history, on and on. This world is lies stacked on lies miles thick. There's very good reasons to believe that those lies continue on into layers of the "beyond." Thus, what if the idea that we can undo these creations by thinking or non-thinking our way out of it, is another one of those lies?

Some even claim the CIA invented the New Age type of belief system as a distraction, to keep followers docile, focused on love and peace, while other forces closed in around us over the century to follow. This could be AI, Transhumanism, and so many other things I won't get into on this forum, as it is not the right place for it.

Regardless, the point I'm making while playing devil's advocate to the unity/duality idea and transcending it, is what if that as well is another level of deception, that we can not "perspective" our way out of it, and we keep ourselves stuck by believing that we can?

What if we genuinely are physically/astro-physically, permanently stuck in a reincarnation, etc., type prison many layers deep that has nothing to do with what we think or what we don't?

Rather, it's what we do, as in, take action against the "prison guards" and their power structure to escape. I'm not saying this willy nilly. Many years of reading, thinking, not thinking, have gone into where I'm at, and I'm always willing to undo where I'm at when better information comes along.

As a simple metaphor of my point, think of a truly innocent man who finds himself falsely imprisoned for life, who finds his spirituality while in jail. He is taught in his spiritual books, if he creates all manner of positive intentions, etc., he will be free from his cell one day.

But, then in real life, he just stays there in prison, because in this example, that is actually how his reality truly works. He would have had to find lawyers and take physical actions within reality to truly escape. Thoughts nor his most powerful positive intentions didn't work in this example.

Years back, I actually wrote a thousand page trilogy novel somewhat about your perspective, in my own way of thinking about it. The back story started with God as a "she" character, and then how she brought about creation, her own initial "god children", unity, then duality, and the rather ugly fall out of all of that. Her god children and their infinite spirit children were supposed to evolve back to her level of unity via lessons of their struggles in duality, but it went way wrong.

Anyway, my own story philosophically twisted my mind up in knots for a decade until I just dropped it. Nobody was going to read it. Way too deep and weird. Lol.

Well, I could write another novel about this and I won't. I've derailed my own thread enough with this sort of topic. Anyway, I get your perspective, I like it, and I want it that way, but I've learned not to trust any particular modality, because there might be something or someone behind that modality whom is not trustworthy. (Not meaning you, meaning powers that be, hidden or seen.)

I'm with you, but at the same time, I'm tired of the lies of this world and in some cases likely beyond, and I don't want to be tricked any more, if there is even a trick? I simply don't know what the truth is for certain, and after twenty years of searching every nook and cranny, even in my own skull, or "intuition/inner guidance" I don't think I ever can know any particular truth for certain. Maybe even going OBE or outright death would offer nothing for concrete answers. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It is a challenge, I'll give it that!

Nice.

Due to you switching up your post I will keep this short.

You have left off in a good place ... "I don't think I ever can know any particular truth for certain."

Not knowing is always a good beginning ( and end, in the case of our 3D amnesia ).

It leaves us in a place of wonder. Of evolution and ability to grow change. This is what is most important.

The only truth there really is, that really matters, is where each of us IS in our unfolding, in the evolution of our own experience.

There is one critical element that tends to get by most of us, for as long as it does, and this is that WE ourselves are the reality we are experiencing. It is not some world out there --> it is ourself <--. We come to know this in quiet moments, when we silence the mind, in meditation. What is experienced in meditation/meditative states becomes increasingly more profound as we practice. As the practice becomes our natural, effortless way of being.

Self is the source of all. This is why Union/Oneness is true.

There is no real other. All is concentric. Spheres within spheres within spheres.

It is up to us the extent to which we reach in to the interstices and out into the cosmos.

Each is in command of their own ship.


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Remember >> thought, manifestation of thought.

Create the reality that you will.

A warm welcome to the fold, I don't frequent those other places but look forward to your insight and expertise here at this venue. --Casey

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As indicated earlier in the thread, my primary interest in personal OBEs, is to validate myself in some way, whether we are here by choice, or locked in a matrix of one sort or another, with no choice.

As I discussed, there's a good bit of evidence for the latter. If the latter is true, then I want to find a way out.

Hello, lostsole..

Myself, I always like to start with the basics.

In my own view, there is a real world and a play world. — the play world is duality, the real world, unity.

I lay things out like this because it is good to know which world I am addressing when contemplating certain ideas such as opposing/competing forces. This idea fits squarely into the play world. — and it is important to note that the play world cannot be broken free of from the level of the play world, contemplation must rise above the play world for this. Meaning, contemplation necessarily has to rest in unity. < — this is what so many struggle with, and why so many are still trapped. It is indeed their own mindset/focus they are trapped within. Inside it, all manner of stories are created and played out. The most notable being that of AN OTHER who is causing/creating/enforcing the trap. Hold a focus long enough, think a thing long enough and it will in some way be manifested.

Now compound this and spread the story until many begin believing it. Now what do we have? Exactly what is needed for the story to sustain itself. A matrix within a matrix. Wherein the enforcement of occupancy within the matrix is perpetuated. Note here that it is a false thought being occupied and no more. However, most, not realizing this yet mistakenly go to battle against a false OTHER. This is what has happened here in our Earth world. It is why many of us were sent, or have come. — not to get caught in the trap ourselves, but to see through it and begin dismantling its components, directing the attention of the masses, one by one back to unity. As I am now doing. This is the only real way out of the false thought. To discover that its web/matrix is ( born of ) our own, of ourself. To begin seeing through its illusion, cease pouring attention and energy through it, and instead let it fall away.

To discover at no time are we ever truly bound. ( not in the play world, not in the real world )


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We have work to do. And miles and miles to go to get here.


Casey

EIC was my favorite online watering hole for years, I moderated there for a time before Fred decided to close shop -- one of the saddest days of my life. I would love to see him bring the boards back one day. Thanks for the PDF, Orian, and the encouragement toward it, Xanth. I will certainly add it to my READ pile.

I think most people are familiar with my art.

I use a crystal, a camera and my consciousness to create what you see above.

In essence it is a form of contact with a variety of Galactic level consciousnesses who reach out to me in order to help create this body of work.

My website goes into it in great detail. If anyone has an interest in learning more.

This video might also be helpful.

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This phenomena, just to say, came about following a 4 year period of time of going out of body near daily.

Experiences with extraterrestrials were common to my OBEs.

Life sure got interesting as a result.

Please do enjoy.

You did it, Xanth!.. well done, I like the new look, too, I just don't see any tool bar, is that coming? I know you have your hands full. What is most important is that the board is still here ( whew! ) this was a close one wasn't it!

I've got all my fingers and toes crossed ( whew! ). Thank you for doing what you are, Xanth. You're a super hero. <3