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Way to go Aaron!!!

Can we break out the bubbly now?! That was a good standard RTZ obe and, as Xanth said, you got most everything you could expect out of a first-time obe!

The 'drugged' feeling will diminish with further experiences and your awareness will build. Plus, you will start developing your senses and 'motor' skills!

And you get a new understanding of phrases like-"I was beside myself with excitement!"

Glad to see all your hard work and effort has paid off! Now you KNOW you can do it!

Lionheart, that is a BIG truth. And AZ, a very key adjunct observation. What you both point out are lessons/realizations that only come with experiencing the NPR over time.

I agree with everything Contenteo is saying, but would also stress that you are approaching or already in, an important transition point, in the symbolic way you're interpreting your experiences.

Everything reads gaming characters. That's okay to start, but this needs to evolve. This is no game at this point; these characters represent aspects of YOU, or aspects which can teach you lessons.

Don't disbelieve the importance of this. It's not the reality of the characters, they are NOT real in any sense other than the symbolic message they convey to you, minus the symbology you automatically grant them. This is your Higher Self communicating to you in the only avenue you are giving it. Misunderstanding is possible, so take plenty of time to think about this.

These are,as Contenteo said, muddy experiences; they can be difficult to figure out.

The symbology of the characters should, over time, evolve or mature. JMO 

I am with AZ on this in that I have not had any experiences along this line. That's why your words, LightBeam, were so significant to me. I can conceptually 'know' the concept, but your firsthand experience and description of it fills in so many gaps!!! You present the 'feel' of it! That way, I get it. Thank you!

I've had nothing on past or future lives (yet) but have experienced multiple, simultaneous focuses, which leads me towards the concept.

That's why I especially value the different experiential viewpoints of our moderators; priceless!

LightBeam, I think there's not much more to say; you answered that succinctly and in beautiful language.

I like it so much, I'll have to print it off for my notes.lol

I like the book analogy, it's a great Physical world example of something that is otherwise untranslatable.

The only thing I might add is that the idea eventually occurs that--- given multiple experiences of simultaneous second and third person perspectives, the concept occurs to one that the Soul does not reside in the currently-incarnated Physical person (me) but is rather just presently focused there. And we can switch or multiply the focus any time we figure out how to...

Thus, the idea opens that we are not actually projecting from our Physical because we are not actually there to begin with...

That leads to a whole semantical argument of where 'there' is...

The simple answer is ' don't be so self-important'.

Moving 'about the veil'? Avoiding the 'dark ones'...? Seriously? You should just throw up a Proper Banishing Ritual and be done with it or log off permanently from sites like this. Or grow up...we really are, in a sense, running short on time...if your true experience is solely with the dark ones, then I'm sorry...you are truly in the ghetto... Let us know when you work out of there.

It may also be tapping into your own subconscious, paralleling with aspects that identify with these other personalities so that they might be expressed. Possibly this pulls ideas from greater, more original thought streams, we don't necessarily originate them, but power them along...just an idea...

Rakkso, are you open to Sunday night 12 to 4am EDT teleconferencing? Be open to the possibility. Report any hits...

Always be looking...

EV

My advice would be to not be so concerned with going into trance and avoiding all those little difficult physical things like saliva, itches, tickles, noises, etc. trying to work towards an OBE.

That's like the hardest thing to do...if you can, great, but otherwise for the most of us, not easy.

Look for opportunities...during a nap; or set your alarm for the middle of the night and try WBTB, or notice an opportunity in the early morning.

If you catch the right opportunity, most of the issues you describe will not be there. No physical stuff, no control issues, no emotional issues...it will all happen rather automatically. If you let it happen, it will just unfold. You will have a moment where your fear or doubt or need for control will surface, but if you sublimate this urge the experience will continue. It's tricky; part of it is automatic, part of it is needing your 'intent' to allow it to continue. This is a unique moment for each of us. When it happens, it's a memory you will always keep special to yourself.

Go find it!

I have noticed the same issue over the last several years and have gradually had improvement. IMO, it's two things, one that needs attention, the other that just needs observing.

1 is that you always need some form of 'intent' or purpose for each OBE. It needs to be declared and articulated in your mind. Too many times, I've found myself 'out' with nowhere to go. And nothing occurs to my NP consciousness. Early on, you have to have this pre-determined goal both to instigate the OBE and to proceed within it.

2 is that by the proper application of 1 you will gradually build up your 2nd personality, the NP personality. Then, over time, ideas and motivations will begin to occur to your NP personality spontaneously.

You will begin to see this personality developing. Never forget that intent is the biggest part of the calculus.

The good---For a few years, starting when I was ten, I would come aware outside in the night, usually in a field near my house. Most of the time I was already flying like Superman and it was the most thrilling experience I could imagine! Zooming low across the ground, buzzing the trees and arcing up into the night sky! Sometimes I would come aware, still on the ground and, knowing I should be able to fly but I couldn't get off the ground! I would take off and reach about fifty feet in the air and then come floating back down, laughing at myself for having forgotten how. Other times, I still couldn't achieve flight, but I could make huge leaps like the Incredible Hulk, leaping hundreds of yards and sometimes as much as a mile.
I had no direct understanding of what this was but I knew this was somehow not dreaming. My suspicions of the nature of consciousness had begun at about age eight and now I was gathering experiential evidence that would lead me forward. I quickly found there was little point in discussing this with anyone in my family; this simply wasn't within the realm of their experiences. Then, I came across Monroe's book, Journeys Out of the Body when I was thirteen.

The bad---During the ages six and seven, I had a terrible recurring experience that I thought was a nightmare but now realize was probably something else. Unlike a normal nightmare that opened with some kind of basic storyline that quickly led to the fearful crisis-point, this experience was different. It was always the same simple, vague situation and I would just slowly gain lucidity to the point of recognizing where I was. It was like sitting on the floor of an infinitely large room, pressed into the corner with dark, gray walls stretching off beyond my vision into darkness. And there was some force or gravity that kept me pressed into the corner where these walls and floor met. I couldn't tell up from down; I could barely see into the darkness. With great effort, I could push away a few inches, but the force would enexorably pull me back. And I was stuck there for what seemed like hours, sometimes the entire night. It wasn't like a nightmare that I could eventually struggle awake from yelling or crying, my mother running into the room to see what's wrong. This experience, I could never escape. There was nothing to do but wait it out, until my awareness gradually faded on its own. After about the fifth time, I knew it would repeat the same, just as before; there was no lack of personal memory, as in most nightmares; I knew exactly where I was and every other time this had happened to me, and I knew I would be stuck here for hours. My face pressed against the wall for hours, endlessly. That just added to the terror. It felt like I was trapped in an insane asylum. Besides the fear and the loneliness was the frustration and anger at not understanding what was happening; I tried telling my parents, but could barely articulate a description; they were baffled and could offer no help. I finally just quit talking about it.

Looking back on it, the probable answer is that I was etherically/RTZ projected and simply floating against the ceiling in a corner of my bedroom. It answers the question of why my awareness faded 'into' and then 'out of' the experience unlike a normal nightmare. It explains the level of lucidity, my continuity of memory and it explains the 'feel'.

I guess I didn't have that crazy, whacked uncle to explain the concept of OBE to me.

But now... I'm that crazy, whacked uncle!

Howdi Caldura,

We have plenty of alleyways here, just leave some popcorn...we are all looking...

When it comes to a challenge such as meeting a friend or observing something nearby to them, there is not much better...that engages your intent better than just about anything mundanely considered.

So, do it.

You may get varying results, but the effort is definitely worth it. You will get an experience to log.

Lol...I'm not meaning to dog your post, but there it is...and here I am. Others will certainly have opinions, so I'll throw mine on the fire while I'm thinking of it.

It does appear to be normal to hit walls or plateaus from time to time. I'm in one right now; frustrating. That fact should indicate that you are missing something, need to keep looking. Sometimes you just need time to process the previous experience. It's a very personal thing.

Focus 10/affirmations are always good, anytime. IMO

Sharing these revelations with friends is a tricky thing; the desire to benefit others needs to be weighed against their immediate need for this info versus a possible egoistic impulse on our part to be helpful and important.

I am very impulsive on this and wish to share but have to hold myself back. Mostly, I stay silent...just give little hints. I figure the more I hold back, the more wisdom may hit me as to when to talk about it.

The trick to finding the right mindset is to go ahead with the speech anyway!

The message of your second dream was a very simple one, yet a great indicator of your state of mind, at least in my opinion: You are the Captain of your own ship. You are in control and you know you are running things.

Beats finding yourself naked in front of a crowd about to give speech!

Give yourself some time, you are doing great!

Hello Raymond,

Projecting in and around an afternoon nap can be effective for many people. It is somewhat easier to find that balance between physical tiredness and conscious awareness and experience the necessary mental state.

Finding that same mental state with the WBTB method requires recognizing and tailoring certain variables to your personal situation. The first is to experiment with how long you initially sleep, ranging between 2-5 hours. Next, is how long you stay awake and what level of activity you engage in. Personally, I find the minimum is 20 minutes and usually 30-45 minutes helps with lucidity and length of OBE. Activity should include some light physical movements but nothing strenuous; likewise, some mental activity like light reading is good. Finally, and very importantly, you should not lay back down in bed. Try propping yourself up into a semi-sitting position or go to another room and kick back in a recliner. Again, these are suggestions and you should experiment with them to find what best suits you.

Concerning your dreams that night, I think you displayed excellent awareness, observation and had significant insights. In the first dream, you recognized that you were dreaming and then had the confidence over your fear to display the fact by jumping. That was a key realization.

Next you had what was to me a symbolic dream that tells me something about you; what do you think that was?

Then, in the final dream, if your level of awareness (lucidity) was very high and you had these realizations clearly, then yes, I think this qualifies as a true projection (a DILD, I guess). And to have these realizations in the sequence you did and all in one dream was an indication of excellent progress! Whether it was in a dream or otherwise, you realized you could exit your body, then you had the confidence to pass through a solid object, next you shifted your environment, and finally you had the knowledge you could create/change something, which you began doing.

Nicely done!

The floaty feeling is common in the traditional etheric obe and early on it can be normal to get 'stuck' partially in, partially out. The second event sounds like you exited to an upright position, then your vision opened up. The white face you saw was probably a hypnagogic image from your subconscious; these images/sounds/feelings can appear during exits and manifest as long as you stay within close proximity to your physical body. Once you move about 15-20 feet away, they should diminish.

If they persist, it is an indication that you need to work on your emotional control.

It sounds like your first projection! Congratulations!

The experience of several encounters will help. Emotional neutrality is needed; a passive curiosity to pull you forward. As Szaxx says, go with the flow and be confident. If things ever get difficult, overwhelming Love overcomes all.

Enjoy!

Good experience!

You showed your willingness to help someone out and you noticed a mirror and used it as a portal like you intended to from an earlier post. Not keeping awareness past the transition is frustrating but still, it's good progress, well done! Maybe intend that, next time...

I don't get a read on the hospital part, but the fact that you have some subliminal sense that more went on maybe after the mirror transition is very good.

I know that it seems like very small steps, but do you see your 2nd NP Personality slowly beginning to develop?

You should, because it is.

I assume you mean't 2014, right? Just noticing...or are we discussing your progress that predates your current experience? I still have trouble with that time concept, personally...lol

Hello Condiments,

Welcome to the Pulse!

Take some time to read the bright blue Sticky threads at the beginning of the first three Forums. Try Everything you wanted to know about Sleep Paralysis, Szaxx's Astral Blueprint, Xanth's Phasing Primer and PR's 'How I got out for the first time'. That should answer a lot of questions.

Anything after that, feel free to ask.

It's amazing what incredible sensations you can experience with just a little effort, isn't it?!!

You're on the right track! After the initial reality of the sensations hit you, it's natural to have a little fear and trepidation. Don't worry, you are very safe. Your own fear is your only obstacle at the moment. Stay calm and passively curious in your next experiences, whatever may show.

Your higher self most likely displays both masculine and feminine qualities. The feminine voice may have been chosen because it is less threatening to you.

Testing comes in many forms. Initially, your true desire and capacity to project will probably be tested by pulling images and audios and feelings from your subconscious to throw at you while you are experiencing out of body exits and in close proximity to your physical body. Noises designed to distract you, frustrate you...visuals that will push your emotional control, fear namely. These, I liken to a subconscious safety mechanism, testing whether you are really willing to do this.

Later, I guess, your higher self or other instructors begin testing you in more sophisticated and subtle ways.

Given this, do you see how even though you had a warm, feminine voice inviting you to follow her, your astonishment was enough to end the experience? Not that you did anything wrong (you did very well, in fact!), but do you start to get a sense of how important it is to control your emotional response? Over-excitement can be almost as disruptive as fear or panic.

Don't be afraid. Nothing can harm you.

You already have displayed a good, natural response to the exit impulse; The sensations did not shake you too much.

The only thing to fear is your own fear. And if you let it get out of control, it can turn into a bumpy ride.

You have to maintain tight control over your emotions, no fear and not too much excitement. You will get tested from time to time. Just remain mildly curious to what happens next. Observe...

This voice is most likely from your subconscious or your higher self, inviting you out. Pretty wild, isn't it?

Go have an adventure! Have fun! That's the whole point, right?

That's really good progress, that you differentiate activity resulting from False Awakening, Lucid Dream and Sleep Paralysis! Well done!

Some people find their Guides early on; for others, they show up later. Just form the request as a mixture of thought/feeling/intent, make sure it is genuine and sincere, and mentally broadcast it. Do this when you are in a calm, meditative state or when in Trance, you should already have a good idea of this. Trust that it is being heard; it is. Speak it, think it. It's being heard...

Your sincerity is the key.

Keep us informed on your progress. There are many here willing to help.

Both times, I took too long pondering between two options; 2-3 seconds maybe; the second time I missed the correct decision by a nanosecond!; I felt it!...but that's all it takes for a fail.lol

My NP personality still needs development, I feel like half natural talent and half moron.

Your response confirms and clarifies my thinking with the necessary nuances indicated.

Thank you, Szaxx!

EV

1) Go with the FLOW. Expect the unexpected. Do as the locals do.---Okay, that clears it up for me; I have no problem with that. I'm going to be the flowing-est dude the NPR has yet to see! Knowing that it was a test, I guess I just have difficulty in determining when to stay within an observed rule set and when to depart from it.

2) "I threw the last of my determination and intent into the struggle, but it was not enough; I was going down."

Szaxx asked---What were your exact thoughts here? It's a unit error or did ANY doubts creep in?

What do you mean by a "unit error" Szaxx? As the flight system began to malfunction, I reasoned that this was a test of my determination or willingness to quit. Maybe that was an outright mistake or maybe I should have quickly switched to "going with the flow" and adapting to whatever came next. I 'knew' that I could probably fly without the apparatus, but I worried that would be a rules infraction. Then, yes, I had a doubt about my ability, some frustration and everything faded...

3) In the second lesson, when given the opportunity to put on the blue helmet and submerge into the water, I really didn't have a physical fear of doing that. What seems to have caught me out was my confusion over why the hoversled had transformed into a helmet. A moment of confusion and probably a hint of doubt. As well, my lucidity was not quite as high as the previous lesson since I had just come aware in a LD. My NPR personality is still a bit of a dope at times. I can see it improving however.

4) Szaxx said---Perhaps you should have read their minds and obtained the required data. That would have wiped off a smile or two. When there's too much data in speech you read them. They knew this act would bring you some recall.

Once again, you amaze me Szaxx!! How did you know that happened at that point in time?

I didn't include that part in my first post because it had happened so quickly and I hadn't fully processed it yet to properly put into words.

In the first lesson, when the young instructors and the older woman quit talking to me all at the same moment, I had an instant knowing that they were pausing to give me a chance to read one of their minds. The pause was a second at the most, then she asked me if I was ready?

During the pause, my thought process was this---I thought, how would I do that? Him or her or the other woman? All right, the young girl; she seemed to be presenting herself. Should I ask permission first? I put out a mental request and got nothing back. I formed the intent and mentally reached out to the young girl, but quickly withdrew when I didn't feel an immediate connection. I had a brief mental image of awkwardly reaching out and somehow sticking my thumb in her eye, or somehow possibly injuring her mind. I certainly didn't want to risk injuring her and didn't want to appear brutish and insulting; I felt this could quickly turn into an embarrassment on my part. I couldn't form a coherent picture of what I wanted to do, so I dropped the idea altogether. Concurrently, I was realizing that she probably didn't have any further specifics on my lesson; those specifics would likely be supplied by my subconscious.

Just this one second during the lesson took me a couple weeks to process. That was a lot of thought and mental action to stuff into what was a second or less... I realized how 'accelerated' my thinking became for that one second. Those thoughts and mental actions would have normally taken me 8, 9, maybe 10 seconds to run through. Also, I was still in that 'filtered' mindset I had described, like my awareness had taken a step back inside my head.

I realize now that this was an example of the 'mental acceleration' Szaxx had said would be required in some NPR environments in order to operate effectively. I got a strong sense of how much my thinking can accelerate or compress (once again, words limit) and I also sense this acceleration can be taken much further; I may have just barely hit the throttle.

So, within even a small failure, I have found a completely different lesson and a success of sorts! I wonder how many other lessons were in there that I have yet to uncover?