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Hello Thundar, I will add some ideas and perspectives to consider to the good ideas already offered.

OBE and Astral Projection are essentially the same thing- A re-focusing of your conscious awareness somewhere else and beyond its usual location inside your head and within this present Physical Reality. There are multiple ways and methods for getting 'beyond', and a multitude of perspectives available to us; it is not just 'here' or 'there'. The 'classic' OBE you experienced in your youth is the most often reported first and early form of this separation of consciousness; but it is just the beginning. As we progress, we realize there is a vast complexity to this idea we call consciousness and just what we can do with it and where it can travel.

When considering consciousness perspectives, you already have at least several by now- Your present awareness centered within your head and this Physical Reality. Another perspective was your OBE in your youth. Also, your nightly dreams are an obvious form of unconscious re-focusing of consciousness/awareness, both non-lucid and lucid, the lucid being a form of dreaming bringing almost complete awareness into the picture. And, like the other forms of focusing, your lucid dreaming focus can be improved with knowledge and practice.

So, a lot of this begins with a more clear understanding of where we are and what we are trying to accomplish.

And here lies a dichotomy that we shouldn't get lost in too early. Much of the literature of OBE speaks to the idea of floating out of one's body and floating around your apartment/dwelling...and this is what happened in my case as it does with many others. You will also find in some of the literature a complete repudiation that this is what is actually happening, that it is actually a form of understandable misinterpretation on the part of the experiencer based in a physical body perspective. Personally, I am still undecided on the matter; having had dozens of my own 'etheric' OBEs, it certainly seems to be what it appears...but I remain open to changing my opinion at some future date. My point is to make you aware of this but also to strongly advise just go with whatever experience you are getting, be open to differing experiences but just always go with them and go with the flow as best you can; don't fight the experience. This is an ongoing learning environment.

Nonetheless, for the majority of us who do start out with these 'classic' OBEs, they do change at some point...and this is where the next concept comes into play, which is Phasing or instantly shifting from this Physical Reality to another Non-Physical Reality. It can happen through your normal dreams, a lucid dream or an opportunistic moment early in the morning or during an afternoon nap...you are relaxed and tired in just the right way...and you shift. You can learn to do this by becoming more aware in your dreams by expressing an Intent, even better when you find yourself in a Lucid Dream (LD)...just express an Intent to go somewhere or find somebody.

So, my point in this post is to help you become aware of the wider context of consciousness that you are already operating within. Write your dreams down, keep a dream journal...ten years from now it will prove invaluable if you keep up the practice, you will see patterns and clues to unlock. Pursue the standard OBE, but be open to the Phasing exit, as well.

As LB mentioned, up in the Stickies on the first three Boards are good reads- Xanth's free Primer, Personalreality's How I Got Out For The First Time, Lumaza's Doorway thread, Symptoms/Signposts...

Have fun and feel free to ask!

EV

This is a great find, thank you for it Loerie!

I stumbled across Journeys Out of the Body when I was 11 years old, back in 1973...it was possibly the second book I had ever purchased...that's how important I felt it was, even given my limited funds, lol Talking with the staff at Monroe, this kind of synchronous book encounter was not unusual at the time for many of us.

The interview is excellent but newer listeners may be put off a bit by Monroe's terminology. You have to understand that he was not particularly religious beyond a basic and non-specific, Christian upbringing and so, he had to necessarily create his own and personal descriptions, terminology and framework of reference for what he was perceiving in the Non-Physical Realms. So, there are some slight incongruities within his ongoing descriptions...God bless him, he is a Pathfinder for all the rest of us!

His mention of his I/There is easily lost and confused to the audience...by this, he means his Oversoul, his Soul Group, deciding to construct his current Self of its various parts...and that speaks to both you and me and us...

So, Monroe is actually describing an awareness of, and a communication with, his Higher Self and Parts...

Bruce Moen describes the very similar idea of his Disk- A series of many personalities which are permanent members of his Disk, his Soul Group, from which new, experimental combinations of Disk Personalities are combined and placed within various Realities such as ours...

Now I have done 5 week-long courses at TMI, but I don't pretend to have reached this level of experience...We make attempts at it with Focus 27 and 34/35 and 42 excursions...this seems to be a hit or miss kind of exploration, both for me and the other participants. I will say that I think the possibility of the experience is there. I feel very close to it. Many of us get glimpses of it, from time to time.

Robert Monroe was a natural for this; it turns out he was destined to be our new world 'pathfinder' for this exploration of the Non-Physical Realms.

 

Welcome to the Astral Pulse, Loerie

Your post makes clear that you have a fairly good understanding of the projection process, either by etheric exit or by Phasing. You suspect some form of blockage and that is very possible at any point. I am still dealing with occasional lack of vision in various levels and situations.

Besides the good advice already given, I would like to add certain fundamental points that can be overlooked or forgotten:

A proper and defined Intent is almost always required. It's not like the Physical Reality where you can just walk outside and take a look around. You need to have a purpose, question, person, place or thing to go visit or to engage in a lesson, and you have to express that Intent fairly clearly. You might ask to meet a Guide or ask for assistance from an Invisible Helper in order to exit. You might discover that you are in an environment and wonder what you are supposed to do, which might mean you have been placed within a teaching simulation that has been prepared for you personally, in which case you can simply ask the environment 'Why am I here and what am I supposed to learn?' You might have an Intent to visit the Akashic Library. A great default Intent is to simply ask mentally to be shown the next best experience for your learning. So, Intent is always important.

Limiting Beliefs- Most of us like to think we have left our fears behind, but it is likely there are still some lingering doubts just under the surface about things like What is actually out there? and Can I be in danger? or Do I really believe I can do this? or do I have the ability? A very talented Monroe practitioner, Bruce Moen in his book on Afterlife Knowledge, said that if you suspect you may be blocked, then you likely are. He described a light, meditative process of just asking mentally What Inner Aspect of mine is holding me back and why? It is okay to simply imagine the inner conversation to get the ball rolling and explore what issue(s) might arise. Maybe you get nothing the first try, then just use the session to reset some Affirmations asking and giving yourself permission to explore the Non-Physical Realities; affirm that you are safe and protected, etc. If you do discover an inner limiting belief, then have a conversation with that aspect of yourself to find out why it has that belief. Thank your aspect for carrying that belief but explain that the belief is no longer needed and that your instruction is to release the belief and replace it with a new belief that supports the new behavior you are expecting. This technique is worthy of exploring and best of all, it's free!

Affirmations- These, I found out many decades ago, are very necessary and vital to success. Use two or three affirmations at a time for several weeks before changing them. Keep them simple, present-tense and positively-worded...like these:

I am safe and protected when I explore out-of-body
I give myself permission to have out-of-body experiences
I ask my Higher Self for permission and assistance in exploring out-of-body
I would like the assistance of my Guides and Invisible Helpers in exploring out-of-body

Mix and match, come up with what personally resonates with you. Repeat them every night and before every session.

Energy Work/Chakras- any type of energy work is clearly beneficial, since everything IS energy (including us) and this is very apparent in the NPRs, so it is essential to get the energy flow moving. The brief OBE you described read like a good example of that energy- early OBEs are often powered by the second or Sacral chakra which relates to our sexual organs and that stimulation is apparent and can also result in a quick, unintended return to the Physical. As you progress, the energy centers powering an OBE or Phasing will gradually move higher, ideally moving to the Heart chakra and noticing stimulation in the higher centers. Laying on the floor and having a friend hold a pendulum over each chakra can show which are active and which may be underactive or even dormant.

These are some ideas and resolving any single issue may unlock your experiences. More than likely, it will take some work in all these areas, but these are the basics that I have found. Good luck!

EV   

Since I started APing at age 4, and at age 5 woke up to a UFO hovering outside my bedroom window, which then abducted me, I have always thought there was a likely connection. Never directly observed a cryptid, but I was certain some invisible ones lived in my closet and under my bed, lol.

So, I'm a 5

Since this discussion has drifted slightly into the idea of "group focus", I thought I would add my own ideas and context.

Over the last nearly ten years, I have tried the 'group targeting" of the Astral Pulse Island, the EIC Barbecue and only had very limited results. Honestly, I had no visuals and only limited, what I could define as, energetic impressions of each place and some of the possible people there.

According to psychology, I am like most males and primarily dependent on visual stimuli and so I expect direct visual feedback in my astral excursions...the trouble is, I don't always get visuals and that becomes quite frustrating. Through many experiences, I had to learn to experience through different and mostly energetic and non-visual means. This is a different form of learning: Learning from understanding of energy, complicated by emotional context, complicated by contexts I still do not fully understand.

This complex of ideas and understanding came together more completely when I attended several of the residential Monroe Institute Programs, which I highly recommend. It was during the second program, Lifeline, where we do Retrievals, and then the Starlines Programs, where we venture about the Multiverse that I found a better, though not complete, understanding of the "group focus". The strange thing was, I still had limited visuals of the "gathering places" but I seemed to have better intuitive understanding of what occurred there than the participants around me. It was highly interesting what some people experienced, yet others didn't; me included. Some experiences, I totally received; others, I did not. In the Lifeline exercises, we would meet at the astral version of the TMI Living Room, but I never really had a solid visual of that...still, we would descend to F23 and retrieve some souls. In Starlines, we would gather and board a starship and travel the solar system and later, the Multiverse. I never had much of a visual of that until Starlines 2, when we boarded the starship and I had a vague idea of where our 12 participants were within the ship. That night, not feeling very confident, I proposed a quiz- write down on a piece of paper where everyone 'intuited' they were on a 12 o'clock dial...
Surprisingly to me, my map was the most accurate and agreed upon...it wasn't perfect but everyone agreed it was the most accurate. I was absolutely surprised because my visual sense of the scene felt like 20% at best. There was also some multi-person interaction that occurred that totally verified the situation for me. My take-away was that so much of our understanding is also coming through on subconscious, energetic levels...and to recognize that and not deny it.

My point in all this is that- A visit to The Halls of Aventi, Astral Pulse Island, Bee's Barbecue, my group's Retrievals or Starlines adventures...all those experiences are available. It likely depends on a person's individual ability to focus and probably the remaining energy sustaining the destination. If you want better experiences, then put in the work to improve them.

I think this is actually a really great and original question- Why do so many of our Non-Physical experiences of inquiry result in failure and near obstruction?

It seems to be a quality of our Earth/human experience that some of these existential questions remain unanswered and even blocked at times...maybe it's as simple as that, to keep us in the PR game simulation to learn from that perspective alone. Much of my own 60+ years exploration has been a combination of some success and mostly failure, much as you describe. The successes are pretty self-evident, the failures very perplexing and frustrating in their nature. One quality of the failures that stands out to me is the contributing imagery and lifelong struggles within my own subconscious...the images and storylines and inner difficulties...

This seems evident in your narrative, Chloe...the characterization of your inner exploration within the framework of your engineering background. It's not right or wrong, it's just your unique perspective. And within this context, anyone can offer advice, but only you can come to a more complete understanding for yourself.

My own voyage of discovery has involved many or variants of the situations you describe...I find the library, I read the book, decipher the language, but cannot make the complete translation, cannot understand the mathematical equations...the last several years it has devolved into lucid dreams of pulling out drawers and dumping a hundred useless objects I feel I must sort through...endless scenarios of that silly bedlam...

So much of this imagery comes from our personal subconscious, and the message I think, is to search elsewhere, mostly into your subconscious and how it communicates into your dreams and NP experiences...when I figure it out, I will let you know...if you figure it out first, please let me know.

Do not despair. this is the drudge work, the digging with a shovel...digging through both the NP and your own subconscious interpretation framework.

Welcome to the Pulse, Chloe!

Here, you may find many answers and some of them possibly right, regarding your questions!

Look at just how quickly your Intention has produced results, nicely done!

I would add a few of my insights/ideas to consider into this conversation besides the good points made by Volgerle and Lumaza.

That feeling that this was somehow more than a usual dream is your intuition gaining experience. This feeling is a signal that will grow clearer and more evident. Also, the fact that you noticed the differences in the situation and behaviors of people around you.

A 'do-over', a 'repeater', a 're-set', a 'loop'...these occur in both very personal and important dreams that are sending us a message we need to understand, and also in teaching environments (simulations) such as this retrieval likely was. So, again a very strong signal that this is not a normal dream.

In an experience such as this, the learning environment is purposely designed to be very simple: in this case, an elevator, a child and a waiting area with an apparent parent (guide?). Being an arrangement of energy fields, each component has its unique form and function and the challenge in navigating the NPRs is to be aware of the infinite ways we perceive the form and function of a being or situation we encounter. This is especially important within a retrieval. One function to consider is the elevator and how a child can get lost within it; in a symbolic fashion, I mean.

The other aspect that stood out I think may relate to any concerns you may have had about controlling your emotions in such a rescue environment. This scenario allowed you to notice the lack of emotion with the child, the parent and even yourself. It feels like an invisible curtain or dampening field is placed around you. Early on, I wonder that the Guides may do this for us, but gradually we learn to do it ourselves. You even seemed to have questioned the 'emotional cloaking' by seeking even the slightest emotional response from the 'parent'...again, I wonder that was your intuition at work and another lesson within a lesson.

Excellent experience!   

YesmarOO,

Initiating retrieval work may take some time and further work, or you may be already prepared for it. Like Lumaza wrote, it is a decision made by intelligences on the Other Side, the Non-Physical (NP). It does involve how much preparatory work you have done in balancing and controlling your emotions both here in the Physical and in the Non-Physical. It is a form of emotional maturity and mental discipline.

Like Lumaza mentioned, his very excellent thread Souly for Retrievals is a good place to start, reading through the whole thing. Many clues and insights are to be found here.

Beyond reading about others' experiences is also the kindness, patience and discipline you display in your daily life and recognizing how that reflects within your Non-Physical existence, your dreams and astral activities.

Given that fairly simple framework, it is simply a matter of making your request known 'to be of Service to the Multiverse and the Greater Good of Humanity and Existence'...or words to that effect.

Make yourself available, ask to become an Invisible Helper, ask to become involved in the Retrieval Process...make these declarations in the form of a nightly prayer or affirmation. Do it every night and during daytime moments of reflection; if you are truly serious, do it for as long as it takes to get a response.

It is really that simple and straightforward. But it does require commitment.

 

Volgerle, let me add my condolences to your loss and thank you for the wonderful sharing of the experience of those years; many of us have and will necessarily undergo similar difficult times as we assist family and friends through these transitions.

The Trainers at Monroe you mentioned- They all seem to excel in their specific teaching methods: Sciambarella, I have only seen one video on, but he was quite impressive. Tappe is a new name for me and i look forward to reading his book. Paul Elder, I have personal experience with, having done two Monroe courses with him...a wonderful and excellent person, his book is highly recommended.

My best thoughts for you, V

EV

A cleanly-executed handover Volgerle!

When you appeared in the scene, did you have an instinctive 'knowing' that this person was your retrieval target?

This Retrieval caught my attention because it is unique and may afford a wider discussion of what appears to be happening. The "Retrievee", as it were, is in a very commonplace setting, performing a common work task. There is no indication of a violent or disruptive event that led to his passing...no war, no conflict, no traumatic incident, no indication of malevolence towards him...he may have suffered a heart attack while working or possibly died peacefully in his sleep.

This question has long bothered me from time to time- If I pass silently at night, in my sleep...how will I necessarily know that I have passed from this existence into the next? Might I just automatically take up my regular activities within my own personal astral space upon my normal schedule of awakening, not recognizing the difference between here and there? And of course, how many times does this transition occur for people while performing some normal activity such as cutting the bushes?

Following the Monroe idea of Belief System Territories, the simplest forms appear to be like this one described. They are personal belief system traps where a person is still so closely identified with their personal worldview and the energetic frequency that it aligns with to the point that their prior PR world fixation creates their current afterlife circumstance, and it plays out endlessly until certain factors may enter and interrupt it.

And it's not the personal BST purgatory of a suicide, addict or murderer...or the complexities of a consummate liar, schemer or narcissist...I have read about how those personal purgatories play out in the Bruce Moen books. This does speak to the idea of eternal damnation or a very long time. This is just an example, maybe, of a common death.

I need to ask this question more directly the next time I attend a Monroe Course- What is the distinctive quality that makes a still-extant human such a benefit in a Retrieval? My understanding is that our connection to both frequencies makes us recognizable to the Retrievee, whereas the higher frequency Guide is just out of their range and therefore renders them sufficiently invisible...that is where we come in.

The sad part is that the story of the 'gardener' may be a very common circumstance; It makes me think there are a lot of us humans hung out there in these little semi-purgatorial traps of our own misunderstanding of the Wider Reality. I get the impression that most will work their own way out, but we can sure speed the process up with retrievals. There is also the additional question of retrieving lost aspects of ourselves...that was one of the sessions at Monroe and a very powerful one for me...something to consider.

Great discussion material Volgerle!

 

Bob,

By "data", do you mean the personal data of your account? If so, I can kick that up for an Administrator's
decision. If you mean your individual threads or post responses, then I think the answer is no. Unless the threads or posts are particularly offensive or antithetical to the alignment of the Pulse, we retain them in order to maintain the continuity of the threads, i.e. no obvious and confusing holes in the conversations. Your posts and responses have always been reasoned and valuable, so I wouldn't recommend deletion of those.

You could make your reasons known in a PM to Xanth, for consideration.

All the best to you,

EV

March 14, 2025

Mid-morning wake-up, bathroom then back to bed

The last two years have been under similar conditions- wake up early or mid-morning and then back to bed with a semi-lucid dream following within an hour, sometimes as quickly as fifteen minutes and that is an unusual indicator for me. By semi-lucid, I mean that foggy thinking, low level, barely there kind of awareness. It was Szaxx and Lumaza about thirteen years ago, who both helped me realize that some of that foggy thinking is simply low dream awareness, but that, at some point we realize the underlying dream plot is too lengthy, too complex, too sophisticated...and that our foggy thinking is not just lack of awareness or lazy dreamtime, but that our dream cognitive awareness has been purposely dampened or suppressed within a structured learning environment, possibly for more than a few reasons.

And over the last two or three years, this has been my dream environment, and I can see my slow improvement. Maybe it is part of developing what we discussed years ago about the Non-Physical Personality and the often subtle and sometimes surprisingly and starkly different ways we operate within the NP. Perhaps it's part of the development such as Tibetan Dream Yoga...I find myself at a bit of a loss in communicating all the subtleties and nuances of my suppressed thinking as this dream progressed...but here goes...

After the bathroom and a cool swish of water, I lay down and almost immediately entered the dreamstate. A thirty-something young black woman and I were being escorted by a middle-aged man through what I assumed was a condominium complex on what I initially thought was a tour just for her. Through my suppressed thinking, it occurred that I owned a unit here and I had faint memory of it...the faint memories would continue as if I somehow knew everybody there but just could not quite remember them.

We were shown a heavy metal door, partially obscured from normal view and the tour guide explained that this would lead us to a Club Level that we could join. I vaguely remember having been offered this before as a buyer but had never looked further and was now wondering what the monthly dues might be. We were led up three flights of narrow stairs and onto an outdoor landing which I assumed was a rooftop lounge of sorts. There were probably 12-20 people roaming about, some with drinks and engaged in pleasant conversation. We were introduced to 8-12 people all of which seemed to already know me, which reinforced my earlier idea of ownership within the community, but I still couldn't remember anyone beyond a vague recognition. (All this time, my subdued cognitive processing was humming along at a pretty strong pace. and I was intuitively recognizing NOT to interrupt the flow of the LD but to just go with it)

Thinking this is all just an invitation to some form of club membership, as I was introduced to people, their conversation was vague, yet directed in a determined fashion towards me and whether or not I would accept the position...they wouldn't say and I would not ask...was it Governor of the State? or Mayor of the City? or Head of the Town Council? Head of the Condominium Association? I made a few subtle entreaties but received only vague responses...I was confused, but not so much that I didn't recognize that I was adrift in a sea of subtle dream ambiguity...and I had the determination to wait them out without "breaking the flow" of the dream storyline and falling out of the LD. Even the younger black woman reappeared, maybe to make another challenge on my awareness, this time a sexual challenge- she walked straight by me in a slinky, low-cut dress that I hadn't noticed before and as she walked by she said something like- Yeah, he knows what he's looking for...I had no idea what that meant beyond the low-level sexual nature and the classical NP narrative of perplexing, mysterious questions and answers...

So, then it got creepy...and I still am yet to figure out if this is singular to me and my personal development or that it is a more normal occurrence for many, if not all of us. Twenty years ago, when I got a creepy feeling from a dream, like it was turning nightmarish, I learned to bring my awareness up in a flash and exit the dream. Ten years ago, I learned to slow that process down and sometimes let the creepy parts play out or unfold...and I learned something. I learned that quite often these creepy, semi-nightmares are actually healing dream processes that I should allow to unfold.

The 12-20 people in the room (now there is a ceiling) had formed a kind of conga line, moving in rhythm to the music and they were snaking their way around to me. About the fifth person back, she was holding a watermelon-sized glob of energetic material, like a glob of neon green silly putty. When I looked over my shoulder, I saw it and had an instant feeling of creepy mistrust (here goes the old creepy initiation ritual again, I thought). The glob of neon green was extended along the conga line of dancers like a taffy-pull, and the head of the energy was working its way towards me! Pulled along the conga line of dancers, the green energy was like a 20 foot long snake or dragon head and they brought it up right behind me. Only because I have been near or through similar creepy moments many times now, did I have the understanding that 'nothing can hurt me in the NP' and therefore I let it happen...twenty years ago, I would have run screaming...

The snake/dragon head very gently bites into me or attaches itself, from my neck and shoulders down to  my butt. The energy begins to gently surround my torso, and I don't resist it. Trusting it, the energy envelopes me and I realize that I can simply disappear, I turn into an energy whirl and instantly disappear...I am gone for two seconds or twenty minutes, I cannot tell. When I reappear, I become aware and am in a large room with the 'club' group and I feel different and highly energized. I float upward until I am halfway up into the next floor, then float downward until I am halfway into the floor below me. Holding my arms out to my side, I can make the floorboards move like liquid waves, and I say to the group of 'club' onlookers that this is much like a simple OBE but I can now maneuver between levels as I desire; very interesting.

Next moment, I am standing in the room and many of the 'club members' are giving me subtle congratulations; just on what, I am not sure of. One of the seventy-year-old guys walks by chuckling about how much time and effort he spent giving me subtle dream hints to get to this point and knowing that I could do it. For the first time in this LD, my lucidity pops up and I ask him bluntly- Why didn't you just tell me directly?
He looks at me and chuckles-Because you know full well that's not the way it's done!
And I know he is right...

Standing in the middle of this apparent large living room, I realize that either I or someone else has tossed a small white object onto the carpet before me. It is like my Apple EarPods case, about 2.25" long by 1.5" wide... I am a bit baffled...two cats amble into the room, one a dark gray, the other an American shorthair. The shorthair rolls onto its back and playfully and expertly tumbles the white case within its four paws until a moment later the cat and the case turn into a furiously spinning curl of energy and suddenly disappear with a small lightning crack!

I realize that is what I just did and the damn cat is showing me that it's 'cats play'!

About four feet to my right, the air crackles again and the cat, in a furious little spin of energy, reappears...kicking the white case off to the side and walking away as if nothing special had happened.

That was the end of the lesson, but the dream doesn't necessarily always end at the same time. Nameless gave me a hint that helps.

The dream shifted to a downstairs kitchen (maybe downstairs is the first clue, lol) where I was holding half an uncooked chicken. My brilliant NP awareness was quick to ascertain that I was not there to cook chicken and I searched vainly for a trashcan but couldn't find one...finally I gave up and tossed it in the sink and walked away.

Nameless' very good advice is- When the Lucid Dream gets THAT stupid, it's time to walk away!

Honestly, I am still learning that lesson...

 

   

Welcome to the Pulse, LucidTraveller!

At the top of each Board are the high-lighted dark blue 'stickies', which have particularly useful knowledge. Or type in a search word or short phrase.

Deafness may be a hindrance with regard to guided visualizations and such, but may prove a benefit in the long run as an internal indicator of your frequency shifting; just be on the lookout for possible internal tonal changes.

Lucid dreams have long been a favorite of mine and I am still learning what they have to teach; I will shortly be posting a recent LD that clearly showed me some new material.

Whether the purpose is to induce an OBE, a LD or any such (NP) Non-Physical experience, or to enhance my awareness and memory of them, I have found significant success with daily and nightly affirmations- keep them simple, short and positive and repeat them every night for at least two weeks before changing them.

Happy travels!

EV

Over the last forty years, I have paid attention to planetary alignments and such...and honestly never really noticed anything. maybe I am just an insensitive knucklehead...

Again, nothing with this weekend's alignment, although I did notice a remarkable increase in my tinnitus over the weekend and the first of the week...also, I did get a pain in my right ear which indicates a form of infection. Now, on the third day, it has subsided a bit but, like LB, I find it rather remarkable in that I can't remember the last time I had an ear infection...maybe ten years...

Suffice to say I was once a big fan of planetary alignments...now, fifty years later...not so much...at least, in my case,lol.

The fact that you have joined the Pulse and offered some experiences obviously expresses your intent to 're-involve' yourself in this tradition of seeking higher, spiritual and personal knowledge...and I think you are already seeing interior responses from yourself, as in the lucid and semi-lucid dreams you just wrote about.

I especially wanted to comment on the Fur Elise dream but had to do a bit of background on the song first.

Have you studied piano and was this a piece you practiced on early? It appears to be a common practice for students and fans of classical music. This is a work that is highly recognized and appreciated around the world. It offers on various levels both a simplicity and a complexity that have captivated players and listeners throughout its history. Even beyond its musical mystery is the question of just who it was written for or about.

Given all that, and from a NP, Non-Physical perspective, it is a great lucid dream that I think speaks very eloquently to your subconscious desire to reacquire and pursue your Non-Physical learning...in fact, an excellent metaphor! In this, Fur Elise represents your NP challenge- Learn or re-learn the piece, learn of its deeper complexities, learn who it is truly meant for...this is the NP challenge.

Possibly the older woman observer is an Instructor or Guide...any further thoughts about her?

It is not unusual that when our determination changes towards learning more about our place in the Universe, our dreams tend to reflect that and assist us.

One definite lesson I get from the second dream is to pay attention anytime you are on a bus!

EV
 

Thank you, Tak, for such an excellent response. There are many insights in there and beautifully expressed; not much that I could add, but much I can take away for myself. Stepping outside of one's self in meditation/contemplation or even the magnitude of an OBE is one thing...not sure how well I have managed it during a bout of anger, lol...something to work towards...

We are the pure Consciousness, which observes

I agree that this may be a 'little victory'.
I could possibly speculate as to a more complex answer, but often I think the simplest answer is probably the correct answer.

Especially as it relates to tastes and smells in the Non-Physical Realms, I can only remember a very few and sporadic experiences such as the one you described. So, I think the simple answer may be that you are learning to develop the NP equivalent of the sense of taste and smell (which work together). Just like learning to see and touch, communicate and ambulate- these are PR senses and coordinations that have their NP equivalents, but they have to be learned in the sense of converting/translating energy/information into more recognizable versions of their PR forms. First, we learn to translate them into our PR terms, then we broaden our knowledge by understanding the extent of these senses in their NP forms. Some NP senses, such as communication, will naturally evolve into more complex forms such as telepathy and direct sensing. Other senses, such as clairvoyance, intuition, reading others, although relatively uncommon in the PR will become strengthened and improved as we move deeper into the NPR, their more natural environment.
So, it seems not so strange to me that we get these brief lessons in bringing new senses 'online', as it were. Taste and smell happened for me in very small and brief moments, just as you describe. I had the same questions back then...

Hello acheo,

I agree with LightBeam's perspective on what you are experiencing; this is a very normal situation to encounter early on. Let me offer a slightly different perspective on what may be happening-

As you relax and move deeper into your meditation/visualization, the 'fixation point' of your awareness is moving from the purely Physical into the Non-Physical...and yes, that can be the dream world or the astral...or a combination of both. When this happens, your awareness is moving back and forth grasping for a 'fixation point' within one of these awareness areas...and that takes time and practice and adjustment.

One way to think of it is like a Venn Diagram where you have an arrangement of three circles of Awareness, where the bottom circle represents your normal Physical awareness, and the other two circles are arranged one to the upper left, the other to the upper right, and all three circles overlap by maybe 20-30% at their inner edges. The second circle represents your dreaming reality and the other, your astral reality. This is not exact but works for our discussion. Also, don't discount experiences in one area or another.

Once you are deep in your meditation/visualization, your awareness is bouncing around within that overlapping boundary area of the circles, experiencing confusing moments of one 'reality' and then another, or overlaps of two or three areas. Learning to operate within this new region takes time and repeated experience and a certain amount of confusion is normal. Part of the confusion is also due to the idea that you are rediscovering Non-Physical senses that you originally abandoned for this Physical incarnation. Realizing and developing those NP senses is part of the learning process. Eventually, you will learn to 'fix your attention/awareness' within a single area and then can go exploring.

The 2Dimensional 3 circle overlapping Venn Diagram is a simplified version of the truer nature of our experience- It is actually a much larger 7 or 10 or greater number of Venn circles, overlapping one another in a much more 3D, 4D and higher set of relationships, the complexity and beauty of which is left for us to discover. 

Continue your practice and don't change anything for now; you are doing fine. This is a very normal period of initial confusion and adjustment; you will make progress with each new experience. Don't push or expect too much, be patient and just go with the flow.

Since you are doing breath work and energy bouncing, I lean to the heart chakra activity, as well. You might have a friend check the activity level of your seven chakras with a pendulum and/or do a meditation that recognizes and balances each one once a week or so. The chest pressure might indicate some blockage or imbalance but like has been said, if the rest of your practice is going smoothly, then just recognize it as a sign that your energy is definitely moving, which is what you want. Sounds to me like you are making progress!

LightBeam- Yes, I have also felt the shift and change in the nature of my dreams as we move into 2025. Actually, I felt the first significant shift back in 2017 as a precursor to the Covid dilemma. One particular night of very consequential Lucid Dreams gave me insight into the oncoming Covid invasion; and a few weeks ago, I received a more complete understanding of what may still come...what I originally thought was a 2017 LD of Covid is now revealed to possibly be something still to show itself. I need to go ahead and post that insight once I have more fully resolved the issue within myself. Funny how these things show themselves within our dreams...then again, not so funny. Many more dreams of interesting nature followed over the next seven years that suggested concerning changes. Most were barely remarkable, but most continued the warning narrative.

Just last night, I had a semi-lucid dream of going in for a medical check-up. After 63 years, I realize that this form of dream likely always means something personal and significant, although I may not recognize it at the moment. Over the last year, I have also had similar dreams to what you describe...I would call them 'adjustment or resolution dreams'. Dreams of completion or resolution of personal issues. Sometimes it is apparent, other times not so much...but it is obvious some form of resolution or internal correction is taking place.

Tak- I think your insights are almost always on target, both for your personal understanding and for all of us- the wider community...so thank you for those insights!

It sounds like you had a wonderful healing experience, but I want to add this for your and others' consideration. The terrible anxiety that creates the awful chest-tightening pain is often just that-anxiety as explained by psychology (a good answer, yet often incomplete). But, in my experience, this pain can also be part of negative or blocked energy around the heart chakra. I think that so many people worldwide must suffer from this because so much of our emotional pain results from broken promises, broken love relationships, sense of betrayal...and this also affects our energy through the chakras.

In my own life, I realized around the age of 8 that my parents were in an unloving, dysfunctional relationship and headed for divorce. This destroyed my little world and made me so distrustful of people and seriously damaged my own opportunities for future love and family (passive-aggressive behavior). The next thirty years of failed relationships only added to my sense of distrust. I won't go into the details, but I eventually realized just how much my blocked energy through my heart chakra was creating or adding to my problems...I don't blame anyone, it's just the path my life followed; now, I have a clearer understanding of it all, but the time has passed...my life has been one of contemplation of these issues within a modern world. My wish now is to just offer advice where it might help some others.

Despite my best efforts, it was through a wonderful friend and fellow student at Monroe (who did a preliminary auric reading of me), the three wonderful 'Witches of Eastwick' I call them (whom we all performed chakra pendulum checks on each other) and the attending 'Healer' at the Monroe Institute who ultimately helped me release the "protector" thoughtform I had created over my heart chakra...that definitely and recognizably reopened my heart chakra. You cannot just dismiss the Protector...you created it for a reason...you must thank it for its service and gently, but consciously direct it to depart...

...and I'm still not sure it's completely dismissed and gone...we can subconsciously call it back, it seems...so, I still wonder...

just an idea to consider

EV

For me, the tinnitus that started around 2010 may be my personal frequency indicator, a slightly lower Hz reminder...when I go to the Monroe Institute for a week, I come away definitely buzzing at a much higher frequency, but within a few days it settles back down to my 'personal' tinnitus level.

Lumaza... the small, rectangular 'inset' within your eye...I have had that phenomenon probably to a lesser degree maybe twelve years ago but it faded slowly over a few weeks...since then I have read Whitley Strieber's Communion books and he makes definite mention of a small, rectangular window opening within one eye (much later in his books) and it displayed alien writing, somewhat cuneiform...and it stayed with him for months, if not years...he doesn't refer to it again, but may have instinctively incorporated the new sense into his ordinary life...I don't remember him saying either way.

Again, as some of us have seen, we sometimes become open to vastly strange yet often confirmable modalities of perceiving/receiving and incorporating new and strange information/data...

The information stream is there...it's just learning how to tap into it. I can manage it from time to time, though not nearly as well as Lumaza regularly does. I suspect it is an aspect of the Akashic Records and a conduit for creative ideas, music, arts, etc and higher learning...

I've experienced Astral Winds (not the smelly kind,lol) maybe seven to ten times but in different contexts, so I'm not sure if they all qualify.
Most definite are the Winds that occur almost immediately within what I call an Etheric OBE which is almost always starting in my current bedroom- the Wind is inexorable in pulling me away and into another environment, where sometimes I manage to maintain awareness and follow, other times I lose awareness.

Then there are a few times I have become aware in hypnogogia and a procession of catcalls, noises, bangs and other distractions finally result in a crescendo of being in the center of a hurricane or tornado and just standing there, fighting my momentary fear and exulting in the storm encircling me until it finally fades...maybe that is not the Wind, just another Fear Test. Either way, it's pretty cool.

I can't think of an environment or simulation where a Wind or tornado has whisked me out of there, certainly many more gentle forms of portals have presented themselves.

I will add the idea not to mistake an Astral Wind event for the more subtle experience some of us call 'the Pull'...this is a much less powerful, yet unmistakeable inertial kind of gravity that 'pulls' you in a direction, often over a fair distance of hundreds of yards or miles...and into a new simulation or environment...it can be very noticeable or very subtle...but it is a fact to be aware of...it seems to be a part of awareness development

I will take the opportunity to remind everyone of the very best-known tornado transfer portal in movie history...


Dorothy in The Wizard of OZ

I was not aware of midwayers. I will have to add the Urantia book to my readings; thank you Tides.

I wonder at the possible relationship of midwayers to elementals or the little guys on the astral surgical team? There seem to be some correspondences.

Thank you all for the replies! I was really intrigued and looking forward to your insights and personal experiences and it seems phenomena of this sort have touched many of us!

LB, it occurred to me as well that even without a direct focus on ET's, the all-day marathon of Ancient Aliens may have sparked a connection and response. I think you are right that they can monitor our thoughts and energies much more easily than we can theirs.

Frosty, you describe the knocks/whumps exactly as I experienced them- they seemed to resonate through my house and I also sensed the energy as being more 'generalized' as opposed to 'localized', like the entire front door and its frame were going to explode inward. You also mentioned once having the smell of cigarettes in the house...funny thing that Whitley Strieber recounts the cigarette smell with some of his ET visitations and earlier in his life encounters with a child-sized character he came to suspect as a disguised ET or NP entity that was constantly chain-smoking, with a weathered and worn face that made him seem ancient and very strange.

Lumaza, yes after my initial shock wore off, I had the thought of reassurance, letting me know they were around and maybe a pre-cursor of something to come.

Volgerle, yes...early morning hypnopompic imagery for me, as well! All sorts of noises and voices, all seemingly designed to communicate s/o presence, LOL.

I suspect the UFO/ET connections with our NPR/Spirit experiences are much more involved and complex than we know.