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I have been dealing with this stuff all of my life.  As far back I as I can remember.  I was truely awakened at about age 8.

It has been stated many times that children can see and hear things beyond what the normal adult can.  But it is not a matter of you use it or loose it.  I think it is more of it being schooled out of you.  You are taught beging with your parents that certain things to not exist.  Ghosts, boogie men, the infamous imaginary friend, and so on.  Then school does the rest when you start taking science classes.





David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com

My experiences with them has been rather odd.  Not really fitting to what most people say.  I personally do not consider it to actually be a shadow, but rather just a dark person.  I do not knw oif they are dark because of thier nature or because of the possibility of them comming from an alternate plain.  But here a few ideas.

My personal experience.
 Since I was about 8 there was always an individual around.  Following me, almost studying me.  Now I never knew what a shadow person was until a few months ago.  I was never scared by his presence but I did always make note of when he was there.  It never really made any movements towards me or did anything but stay in one place and watch.  As of late I have become perplexed by this because most people say that shadow people do not like to be looked at.  But I wold look at him rather frequently and he would look at me back.  I did not consider this entity to be bad or good, and it was not a spirit.  And it was definatly male.  I never had any feelings of dislike towards me or hostility of any kind.  There were a few times that he scared me but only because I did not realize that he was there and then boo.  I would almost run into him and he would move and because of the movement I would see him better and then realize he was there.  Almost forgot.  He is no longer around.  I do not know if I just can't see him any more or if he left.

 But because of my experiences with this I have come to believe that the "shadow people" that most people see are one of two things.  
 1.  The first being that they actually spirits, which do not like to be looked apon because we ware not sappose to see them.  They often use distactions to get through certain areas. With no one noticing.  These being what I call free will spirits any how.  Definition being spirits that are not bound to a certain place or function.  Those that actually are stuck like that are not true spirits in my eye but only an impression of a person.  Like an energy residoo.
 2.  The secound being that they are actually beings from an alternate plain.  Which would exlain a few things but then that would mean that I do not believe that I have seen one.  Since my definitions do not match up.


Now from my friends view point.
 Now a friend of mine has seen many things while he has been lucid dreaming and astral projecting.  There is one thing that he noticed though.  There is one person tha is always there watching him.  It fits the description that I gave about what was following me.  But for him it is only there when he projects or lucid dreams.  Now he says that the thing that he sees is there as a guide and protector.  Sometimes it can be moody and hide and become offened when he looks at it.  But most of the time it is just there.  Watching.


 An idea of what you saw.  If it was an actual dream then it could be just your mind playing with or.... You could have started to project and for some reason this thing stopped it and your mind finished the rest of with a dream making it the bad guy.  Or you did project and if this was what my friend says they are then for some reason you should not have been there and it was protecting you.  Or you should not have been there and you ticked it off.


At anyrate if you have not seen it since I would concern myself with it.




David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com

The thing of it that you have to apply bits and parts of different scientific fields.  You have to take what we know of quatum physics, moleciluar physics, newtonian physics, and the medical science.  Now in the first three gravity effects differs from field to field.  Basic newtonian says gravity is a constant, but quatum argues different because certain space anamolies have different gravity fields in respects to stregth, and to get even more confusing would be at molecular level were gravity effects are based of the molecual being affected. Just a side note, Popular Science Magazine published an article a year or so ago entitled, Unified Physics in 50 years.  They are working on combining all levels of physics down to one basic set of rules.  So far they have gotten everthing down to 2 basics but they are having the most problems with getting molecular and quatum physics down.  Plus with some of the more rescent discoveries in quatum physics that have blown some of the most solid arguments out of the water.  
Sorry side tracked.
Now stick with me here.  And anyone who wishes to correct/add to this feel free as I am no expert.  Just well rounded.
Starting with medical.  The brain is known to emitt certain wave lengths or more basically(not really), small amounts of fluctuating, positive and negitive, bio-electic energy.  This is a given.  They have equipment that can detect and monitor this.  This is one of the ways they cann tell if a critical patient is,  forgive the term, brain dead which is the brain no longer has the copacity to keep the body going.  Now through learning to control this so that the mind fluctuates less or heavily to one side you could then,  theoretically (sp?) effect things at an atomic level.  You could bind various molecules together to produce the desiered effect.  This being because they carry a positive or negative charge.
Now accumilating enough particles in the correct spot could change the effect of gravity on an object.  This of course pending the base charge of the object to be affected.  And that there was control enough not to group the particles together in sucha way as to form another completly new object.  Rather the point would be to control the energies that bind and group them together.  Granted the larger or rather more dense an object is the more that would be needed to effect change.  With the exception being at a quatum level were gravity is not a constant.





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David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com

Your point is well seen but consider this phrase.

You must judge for yourself before you can choose your path.

Just because you judge a person on thier actions or words does not mean you are doing a bad thing.  Or you are considering that person to bad or idiotic.  Judging other people is another way that we decide what is good for us.  You see some one do some thing and decide wether or not you will take the same path as them or not.  You are required to be judgmental of people, places, and things.  That is how we decide if we like them or not.  We judge things on our own set of ideals.  But our open mindedness comes in when we decide to give that person our opinion or not.  Are we close minded and go and tell everyone what it is that we think they are doing wrong?  Or are we open, and let that person do as they wish and not say anything?
 It is important for us to judge, so that we can decide, so we can then learn.





"I'll be the judge of that!"


David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com

Tom,

   I understand the point that was being made there.  But I also understand what dido was saying as well.  The current "paying" for services or classes is due largly to our current sociaty were a person requires money to servive.  But it is mirly a slight warping of an old tradition.
   It used to be that a person did not actually use money to pay for such lessons.  This also was also true for martial arts and almost any other taught skill.  But instead the student would bring gifts or repay his teacher with services.  It was/is custom for the student to show graditude and devotionto the teacher.  
   If we were not so heavily dependant on hard currency then things would be different.  My brother-in-law teaches martial arts as a hobby, and because of such the monitary amount that he requires from his select students is usually only enough to pay for his gas money when metting them at various locations.  But for me since there is the relation there I do not actually pay money.  Instead between him and I we stick to tradition and I occationally bring him gifts or do things for him.  But also regaurdless of the relation he is my teacher and that respect remains and only serves to stregthen our bond.




"I had a  duck once....But I lost him."


David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com

Okay some good points.
Now i have been trying some of these things but I automatically rule out the minute.  I will continue trying until I have a solid and definite responce from an object.  As of yet there have not been any major results but I still try and I still believe that it can, and will happen.




"The shadow rules in the cover of night."


David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com

You know I am really looking forward to the monsoons this year just for tha reason.  I was at work when it rained so I was unable to put a serious effort into energey raising at the time.  But there will be more opportunity later inthe year.

David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com

Goku22.  
I think if I got that correct you were agreeing with me?  
Basically It is our beliefs that make it exist not the univers.
But sense it is there for most of us it is easier to describe hings in that manner.

Did I get that correct?





"I'm running out of things to put here."


David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com

Well, it is well documented of people fasting for up to 3 months but they were usually hospitalized or dead afterwards.
I guess that if during that time you ate the correct foods you could go for longer but the term fasting means only intake is water.  You couldvery well live off a very well constructed shake. Technically it's not eating.  But you could make a shake that has all the nutrients that the body would need is say an 8 oz. glass.




"Have you ever seen a chicken with lips....No that's scary!"


David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com

Bring a hobby for sure.  If you can.  The thing I hate about travelling is the fact that I have to leave my computer behinde and I do not yet have a laptop.  But it will be a long time if you are unable to do anyof the things you enjoy doing daily.




"And now for something completely different!"


David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com

Okay Qui-Gon.  They are naturally forming Energy just off the Physical plain.

Here is my reasoning.
Perfectly spherical would point towards naturally forming. And since using the basis that the "orbs" that have been photographed are based or at least attached to the physical plain because they are caught of film.  Which would require some basis in the physical. AND THESE ARE NOT ORBS as you stated after viewing the photos, they are then not based on the physical plain. Also pointing towards this would be that they are not affected by the Earths energy, gavity, ect.  If they were they would not be perfectly round, would they.  Makes sense to me.
The only thing that might through this off would be the possibility of intelligence.  Are they itelligent?  Do they move in patterns or seem to react to other objects?




"The 1st step to freeing one's mind is to have one!"


David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com

I agree with the whole good and evil as far as it existing but it is bassed on my view of things.  But for just for the good conversation. A question.
A person with absolutly no concept of good or evil commits an act of violance(which is considered evil).  Does that make him evil?  The concept is not there so for him it is not wrong or right.  Good and evil if I may re-word the point Winged_wolf was trying for, and correct me if I am wrong Wolf.  Good and evil, a question of beliefs and concepts.  For instance....The sea lion.  The male sea lion when getting in fights over the herd will often end up killing the challenger.  Due largly to the manner in wich they fight.  But does that make it an evil creature?  No because that is the nature of the beast.

Winged_Wolf.

As far as where they come from I have not figured out yet.  But I do think the age is important.  I have met people who are so purely fasinated by so many things it would seem as if they were forever stuck at age 5.  Hence the belief in new souls.  A soul that has not experienced many lives and drives a person to investigate every thing.  And I have met other people who nothing ever excites, and they have concepts, and ideas well beyond the grasp of norm.  I feel as thier soul is older, it has been there and done that.  They know things beyond the grasp of thier physical age.  My neise is a good example.  I know that she has been here before.  She knows too many things and she is only 4.




"sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you are one."


David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com

Qui-Gon.

Okay no eye problems for you.  Lets see what else.
Naturally forming energy.  2 Things only probelm one points yes and the other no.

yes.  Liek snow flakes.  Not a sinle one the same.  Naturally forming and so on.

but no.  I think of energy more like water.  When uneffected by an outside source it forms a perfect sphere.

So are they perfect spheres or are they more random.



"If i had a nickle for every time I was right I'd have a....a....nevermind i'm broke."


David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com

Good answer Mobius.

The actual physical learning of most martial arts is more for conditioning.  The removale of fear through familerization with it.  Like being hit.  But most everything else can be learned through reading and practice.  You may need a guide sometimes to point out errors you can not see.  Training reflexes can also be more mental than physical.  Part of the biggest thing is anticipation.  A Sensei that I had one time encoraged us time imagine as we were walking down the street.  IE.  Your walking, la la la, and some begins to walk past you.  Imagine what that person could in a attack.  And how you would defend.  As it turns out it is very natural for people do think in this manner, but as always it is what you do with it that matters.




"The conciesness of self is the greatest hinderance to physical action." - Bruce Lee.


David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com

I do not think that you could give up eating all together.  But I do suspect you could get away with eating less only because your could it a point were it processes things better and more effiently.  




"If you are what you eat, then I'm a pizza.  Looks good but often gives your heartburn."


David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com

Winged_Wolf.

Agreed. They are different. Nor or they interchagable because of the beliefs that are involved. But I do think that in the most basic aspects they are the same.  Its is just a different path.  It is much like religion in most respects.  Most people of faith will tell you that thier way is the only way and all others are false.  These tending to be the fanatical.  But in all actuality almost, key word, every religion is designed to teach a person the basic rules of existance.  Don't kill, lie, cheat, steal, and so on.  
I do not mean to offend by this next comment.  It is only how I see it.  Nothing more, nothing less.  And to put your minds at ease.  I am but one person, my opinion means nothing.
To continue.  In any prectice the possiblity for a person to become blinded by it is great.  They begin to think that thiers is the only path, the true path if you would.  That all others are bad and/or evil.  Wars have been started over such foolishness.
Things are bound together, regaurdless.  You may take a different path but your goal, quest, and trails are the same.  You must yourself the same kinds of questions.  And challenge your beliefs as you would with anything.




"If life is like a box of chocolates, then I'm the nut in the middle."


David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com

Winged_wolf

I believe that the souls get reused.  Hence when I said new or old.  I have found that by looking at a person I can guage the age of there soul and it's relative nature.  Hence the good/evil.

A penny for your thoughts.



"I once had rabbit named George, I would hold, and sqeeze him, and pet him, and ......."


David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com

Very interesting.  I gave the first one a read and have desided to try it.  I do not see much difference from practicing the new system.  Its just that you have to practice.  I rather liked the part about challenging your beliefes.  It mostly fits in with what Mr. Bruce says along thoughs lines.  I will post if I have any results.

Here is a quicky because I already tried the dice trick.

1st roll of 100...Test
1=12 2=14 3=20 4=15 5=25 6=16
2nd roll of 100...same die. trying to force 4.
1=14 2=12 3=15 4=22 5=19 6=13    Result positive out come.
3rd roll of 100...New die no pretest.  Trying to force 4
1=20 2=13 3=20 4=17 5=19 6=13   Result.  Kinda ran like the 1st test. No realy positive number.  Hard to tell.  I am going to keep trying.




"But where is my other hand!!!"


David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com

Okay a body dream.  I have not heard that term.  Please explain.



"And there I was in the middle of nowhere with out close loking down thinking...Man it's cold."


David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com

Invictus.

That was a heck of a read.  Long.

My spin of things.(short version)
Maybe what you said is true.  But then again maybe it is not.  We exist to learn and grow.  To do so past our current state.  Evolution in the works.  I heard that a paper was published saying the evolution of man has stopped.  Stating so because it is now not only the strong that survive.  Not true however.  It has only shifted.  Our evolution is currently mental in nature.  The more it is done the more we break free of our constrants.  That is why we are all here on this forum.  Not every thing is lost through death, only that which is unimportant.  What is needed surpasses death and is passed on to our children and then to thiers and so on.  We live and learn not for our sake but for that of the next generation.




"My brain is full...Can I go now?"


David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com

SteppenWolf
Winged_Wolf
^^^^^^^^^^^   11 for both kinda odd.

Sorry side tracked.  

I guess at points some of the stuff we openly talk about as being real just kinda throws a person for a loop.  Part of it being that I have no personal experience with it other than I learned that it was all part an elaborate game that I enjoy.  I guess in most respects I treat some of this stuff the same way I treat the thought of god.  Until he says hi to me I really don't think he is there.



"If your in your car going the speed of light and you turn on your headlights does anything happen?"


David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com

Bismart

Okay lets try a process of elimination.

So your not seeing orbs.

When was the last time you had your eyes checked.  I know when some one sees sparks it is often the result of nerve sparks resulting from an array of diffent things.  The fact that you see them with your eyes closed could point out a problem.

Qui-Gon

Same for you.  Elimination time.  Just out of curiousity first do you see them with your eyes shut as well?
If not. We can rule out orbs per your last post. Spirits?  I lean towards not.  I would shutter to think they so many could collect in several spots without mass casualties.

What else can we shoot down?



"When all else is removed, the remaining no matter how impossible must be the truth."


David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com

Question.  Is not the general term "magic" the same as what we or most of us are working on anyway?
Don't be offened yet....Here is the spin.
Think...What is magic.  The ability to alter, affect, change, be aware of, (and so on) ones reality.  Is it not?Is not metaphysics, energy raising, astral project just a more current term for magic?  Terms given to the asme things by people with inate ability.  Magic and the crafts can be learned, taught, and so. I know that there are many levels of "magic users" leading up to the individual who creates or does by thought alone.  Is that not what we are all working on in some form or another.
Lets look closer at the ways of the spellcaster.  A beginer with no talent to begin with, but only the faith that it does work.  They have seen it, they know of it, and can feel that it works.  So they spend thier time learning the spells and practicing until they can do what it is they have seen.
Now average Joe Shmoe picks up the NEW system. And he learns that anyone can do this you need only to imagine.  With days or weeks he is using NEW like a pro.  Then finds, say, telekinesis, and figures that he learned new he can learn this.  Since the princibles are the same he applies himself learns to do it in the same amount of time that he learned new.

Both people can pick up a pencil with out touching it and with out physically saying any thing.  They are the same but learned in a different maner. One just does it and the other thinks of his spell.  The whole thing behind "magic" as I see it does the same thing as what most of us have learned, are learning, or can do.  It is mirly another maner in which to learn it.  They have both opened the channels in thier mind to lift the pencil.  One believes that it was a spell or "magic", and the other believes that it was his onw doing.  For some one who uses new, or any other energy system, or school of thought to say magic is bad,  is wrong. ONly in the hands of the wrong person.  And to say that energy manipulation is the only true way to go is also wrong. Magic, spells, and cerimonies are the same thing as Mr. Bruce's NEW system.  They are both capable of taking a normal, every day person, and gifting them with truely awsome abilities.  It is what you do with them that makes it bad, wrong, or what ever else you want to tag on it.  
Personally I would view magic as the long route.  Because at some point a person using magic would have to realize that it is not the magic, but it is themselves that is causeing the willed effect.




"Fear is the mind killer."


David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com

ooooo 2 cents..  That's a lot...  But seriously I would have to agree.  
An easy test.  Work on the new system.  If you can raise energy then you can project.  Simple, eh.




"I'm so poor I can't even pay attention."


David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com

So some one else has to get you started on this.  It's not like the NEW system were you can just reading and follow instructions?  Interesting.  So how does one go about getting an attunement?  one more. Can/do/ did you feel the difference before and after the attunment?



David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com