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I'll just pass along what I've read about wbtb, if you fall right back to sleep after 4.5-5hrs, then you didn't get enough sleep, so now try 6hrs. You are like a scientist testing things out. If 6hrs makes you too awake, then adjust down between again.  Changing length of being up is other option during wbtb.

Also, my wife has sleep apnea and went un-diagnosed for decades. She has a machine now though. Something I did get for her that you might want to look into is a essential oil mist diffuser and search for essential oils that could help with breathing like eucalyptus oil or I read maybe Thyme. If your overweight that will be a factor too for breathing. My 2 cents.

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I'm a bit overweight with a combination of diabetes (type 2) and mental illness. Last night when I tried getting up I tried to go to sleep with an intention to wake back up during the night. It didn't work. I'm going to try to do the alarm technique (which means waking up with an alarm).

Here is Raduga's verision of what he did

http://obe4u.com/how-to-astral-project-micro-sleep/#more-3010

Thanks.

I've been setting an alarm for 4.5 to 5 hours after sleep. I had to set it to take a picture because I kept using the shaking option and fell back to sleep. I also am going to stay up for 20 to 25 minutes and then set alarms every 40 minutes until I awaken between 8 and 9 am.

I'm going to use this alarm for the 40 min awakenings.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.splunchy.android.alarmclock

Wish me luck.

You guys really do underestimate your natural abilities!  If you use technology this way, you are learning to "rely" on "it", the technology, which negates "effort".

I think the only technology I'll be using is alarms. Mostly because I looked at the sleep cycle apps and didn't understand it.

Also are there any people with sleep apnea that have been successful with the obe4u techniques?

Each and every one of us have our own "internal clocks". I see you are using affirmations. I wonder some time if people just go through the action of just thinking a quick mental affirmation or if they really put "effort" into it. There is a difference. Just saying mentally saying without feeling, is going to have you go back to sleep no matter what clock is used to awaken you. Thinking and focusing on it with real meaning, purpose and emotion will have you staying awake.
When I use a affirmation, I visualize the letters in the chosen affirmation as well. I spend a bit more time on my chosen focus, then just going through the motions. I notice there is a big difference between going through the motions of just saying "I will be aware in my Dreams" and really "believing it" and putting a charge into it.

I've been trying to do it in combination with a picture of myself doing it. It took me minimum 2 to 3 days to erase the fear of seeing myself out of my body.

Sounds like you started with the intent to do something in the middle of the night but you were too sleepy to carry through. I have done this before. Our bodies don't like being woken up except at the end of these ~3 hour sleep cycles. There are apps that measure your breathing and wake you up based on these cycles but they don't work very well in my experience. Next time I try this I will set an alarm and set the phone up with a 5 minute reoccurring snooze. That way you can dismiss it over and over but it will keep coming back until you are ready to go.

What app(s) on android do this for free?

Thanks.

Last night I set an alarm for 4.5 to 5 hours after sleep. When the alarm went off I went back to bed and didn't attempt anything. I also had another smartphone and shut if off because of the loud sound.

Any advice?

Thanks.

Hey Luffy
I also have sleep apnea which interferes with breathing while lying on my back. The only thing i do is turn my head left or right to open the passages better yet they still slightly close which isnt good when you try to hover at the sleep/wake state. As far as Radugas technique.....as soon as you awaken in the morning and remember you are trying to go ob, then simply relax enough as if you were trying to go back asleep BUT remain conscious. My problem with Radugas technique is i am usually unable to remember that i wanted to attemt an obe before its to late and i have awoken to much. You need to stay right at that sleep/wake line without awakening to much. When i am able to do this i get vibrations in which i am just recently learning exit texhniques. Good luck and keep trying!

Thanks for the input. One technique I'm trying is a combination of visualization and affirmations. Saying them out loud and combining it with visualization.

I'm reading a book called out of body adventures by Rick Stack. It's pretty good and features the same technique as obe4u. The only difference is that it doesn't tell you to cycle through techniques.

It can be the same, maybe more real than the physical, I experience it a lot. At the beginning of any scenery if you managed to be aware anything, it takes observational experience and still you won't know for sure that you are seemingly walking from one reality into the other, the shift between worlds is really quick for me, I don't notice them for first. I've learnt that there are no really big differences, maybe that we are here in an intensive focus and we got used to this physical world from the countless ones. I guess your NP self or the system tries to show you that other worlds or realities are as real as any other. It still amazes me too and it only takes intent to achieve bigger awareness in them - even if it just daily mind noise.
So noticing that you are there... well if you are doing it under regular sleep like me, it takes a while, maybe the whole scenery is 3/4 way over (I hate it because not so much "time" left and I tend to mess it up many times with even a slight thought of my physical self here, his memories etc) already when you realize yourself lol. If you have the intent to be aware, I think somebody will help you with various or nonsense tools. But everybody is different. Maybe you will see a relative (sibling or parent) three times at the same place (lol) or shoot blasts from your hands and it does the trick.

This is basically my experience also. The reason I don't / can't notice the NP is because it's too realistic. Also when experiencing things that can't happen in the physical world or unusual experiences like the spiderman experience. I'm so used to seeing it be so real in the movies (even though the movies are fake like wrestling) it feels like I'm watching a movie and my consciousness just treats it like a vivid dream experience.

I don't want to post another post. I want to know experiences accessing the NP from a non-back (or regular sleeping position) positions? The reason I'm asking is that when most people think of NP experiences they think laying on their back. I'm trying to do a visualization exercise I'm reading in a book called Out of body adventures by Rick Stack.

Thanks.

Two suggestions:
1. Try to do things that yo can't do in the physical, like flying.
2. Try to remember how you got in the situation you are. You probably won't if you're dreaming.

Would I be better off doing it with visualizations? I don' know how I would be able for example try flying in the physical. Could you describe how you would attempt flying (or morphing into another person)?

Thanks.

I wanted to also know how to know the difference between the NP and physical? The reason I'm asking is that I don't notice (especially during a dream state) when I'm in the NP. When I've had lucid dreams I've felt like I'm controlling it 80-85% of the time at the most. I also want to know what type of signs I can tell myself (or notice) when I'm in the NP. The reason I'm asking is that I know the NP is / can be virtually like the physical when it comes to senses / perceptions etc...

Thanks.

I didn't get much sleep last night. I noticed that when I did sleep, for the 3 hours I was asleep a lot of it was like a video game / animation. I had two vivid lucid dream type experiences. One was where I was in a forest but the setting was like a suburban neighborhood with people in it. This experience was real. The other experience was like that of a very realistic video game. The experience was spider-man and Harry Osborne (PP's best friend from the comics) fighting. Harry Osborne turned into sand man and he and spider-man were fighting. It was like watching TV or playing a video game. I didn't notice / remember it till about 30 minutes prior to this post.

I wanted to know if I could do wbtb / and or obe4u with obstructive sleep apnea. Has anyone with any type of sleeping disorder like sleep apnea still been able to do the wbtb technique / obe4u technique?

Thanks.

I'm in the process of reading the phasing_primer book. I wanted to ask on pg.30 Eyes Closed / Body Still (EC/BS) State what did you mean when you said that you had 6 experiences in a row? Were those 6 experiences in one day? Or 6 experiences within / over 6 days meaning 1 each day?

This basically explains obe4u's technique in one page. The only difference is that obe4u says to be still upon awakening. Then try to separate for 3 to 5 seconds then if that doesn't work just do minimum two techniques for 3 to 5 seconds each.

See, this is what I mean by people limit themselves by the labels they use.
You already ARE projecting... 2 to 4 times per week.  You're just arbitrarily calling it a lucid dream.

You're consciously aware that you're in the non-physical while you're in the non-physical... that's a projection.
Sounds like you're doing great already!!  Better than most people on this forum, in fact. 

So, you see, there's nothing more you need to do.  Just enjoy yourself now.  Do what you want to do!

Btw... I *LOVE* that website.  I'm gonna have some fun with it.    hehe

That was before now I'm rarely if ever even recalling a dream. Also, I know that LD and AP do happen in the same dimension.

I'll post more once there are more replies.

Hi,
I posted a thread in 2016 about my experiences trying to obe with techniques from a site called obe4u.com. I ended up listening to affirmations I made with a site called http://www.fromtexttospeech.com/ Within 2 weeks I was recalling 5 to 6 dreams a day and was having at least 2 to 4 lucid dreams a week.

I have obstructive sleep apnea and had a sleep apnea machine. My insurance took it away because they didn't want to pay for it. I'm currently in college and want to astral project (instead of LDing) because I want to learn how to get A's in college from spirit guides/spirits of those like Tesla, Ramanujan, and William James Sidis. I got good grades last semester. I also have some hemi-sync recordings. Also, I just got the obe techniques made by William Buhlman and have yet to listen to it. I also have both versions of Astral Dynamics (print) and have an obe book by Rick Stack. I even have two copies of MAP by Robert Bruce also.

I have to wake with an alarm named Alarmy. It's on the play store and it is pretty good at waking me up. I have four to five Android smartphones I use inside my house for listening to music and waking me up.

I want to know how to wake up in the middle of the night after doing the WBTB technique. Is it good to program myself during the week when not doing the obe4u techniques during the day? I want to use the techniques from obe4u to have an obe, not a LD.

Thanks.

Hi,
I want / need to know once I astral project (still trying a book called Mastering astral projection which I can only do on weekends because of school) can I gain skills from reliving past lives?

The reason I'm asking is that once I spoke with a person in complete German for 10 to 20 minutes. I suspect the reason I was able to speak German was that it was unconsciously from a past life.

I need to know whether I can relive a past life and learn abilities from them such as math or computer programming?

I know it wouldn't be instant and I would still need to practice in the real world (I just got done reading a book called "the first 20 hours" I've been practicing the process from it and it's been good so far).

Also can I gain abilities from reliving other peoples lives (like Einstein or this guy https://morcanbooksandfilms.com/2014/07/04/move-over-einstein-meet-william-james-sidis-iq-250-300/)

Thanks.

Hi,
I want to know if it's possible to remote view within a dream? I don't know if it's (remote viewing) possible withing an obe / ap.

But I've always wondered if it's possible within a lucid dream.

If anyone has experience or a book / article / websource that can tell me more please let me know.

Thanks.

I've wondered if I can do sex, but with a celebrity that's an emulation of the real celebrity.

Like a computer generated copy that's not the real one.

Thanks.

For me you have to grab the feeling of whoever you are thinking and think as closely you can to their mode of thinking. Obtaining a diffrent mind set can be very difficult because their mind sets were created by many diffrent experiences. I've done some experiments with trying to have Einstein's point of view; however I've found that I just don't get that point of view but it combines with your own point of view.

I still can't be certain if I obtainted Einstein's point of view or not but I feel like I was close.

What do you mean when you say "but it combines with your own point of view"?

Also could this work? I would then do the work / studying let's say for engineering for Tesla's point of view. Then learn the ways of him doing work / studying. Then trying to do it in an engineering book.

Would this work?

Thanks.

I also want to know if anyone else has experience with the above.

Has anyone done homework for college (or school) in the akashic records / astral plane, but from a different person's view?

An example could be doing a problem set from high school Algebra but you're doing it in another person's body, but both from your point of view and their point of view at the same time? I could be doing it from Ramanujan's view [for math] or Einstein's view [also for math / physics] or Nikola Tesla's view for engineering [since he was both an EE and mechanical engineer].

Also what are the best books on doing astral projection / obe from a waking state? This can include sites or articles or courses online.

Thanks.

Thanks,
I'll read that one of my dream signs was good looking females (especially ones on the news like on networks like CNN). I remember a day a couple of weeks ago where I saw two good looking females on a bus and said to myself in my head "am I dreaming"? I kept switching between the two and repeating until I got to my stop.

I'm reading a book called "adventures beyond the body" and the author William Bulhman says he experienced other people's lives while out of body that he wasn't an incarnate of. In other obe's he experienced direct past lives.

I've only seen myself in a dream once and it was sexual in nature.

If I do this (when I saw the two women) while doing a physical action would this make lucid dreaming more possible? I'm asking because so far this year I've had three lucid dreams.

Thanks,
Also can previous lives be accessed during lucid dreams or am I better off learning astral projection / obes?

I also want to know if when you're experiencing lives (I know you can do this with your own current live).

Can you do what if scenarios with other people's lives? Like an alternative ending or an alternative action.

If you play video games developers are known to do this with the main story line especially if it's based on a manga/anime or a comic book / known / famous video game.

Thanks.

ha yea I've had vivid sexual dreams as well sometimes, i haven't got them written nowhere I can only recall some of the parts, mostly thee fun parts lol. Let me know when those MP3s start working good for you,i may want to give it a try,  i'm tired of my dry spell. i also tried techs from an astral projection book called practical guide to astral projection by Denning & Phillips.

They were working till I stopped using them almost a week to a week and a half ago. Now I barely if ever get / recall dreams. It took me a while to (about the same times mentioned) to get / start recalling dreams daily.

I was recalling most days 4 to 5 dreams a night. This was a combination of listening to the mp3 once a day for 20 to 25 minutes. Also I took notes from the book "exploring the world of lucid dreaming". I recalled at least 20 to 25 (I know it was more than this) dreams within two to three weeks. I was then able to program some of the dreams once I noticed the dream signs. I also recorded an mp3 for this and replayed it once daily for 10 to 15 minutes a day daily.

If you want more info I can post it.

[(Like the mainframe computer in a supercomputer: You only look at the main screen containing all the informations, not the hundreds of supercomputers)]

I believe the Akashic Records are there only to teach wisdom and ways of thinking, also to feel emotions from certain situations felt by other people and your past lives. See someone's vague memories.
I believe it's also possible to learn mathematics and science etc., but would really be an inefficient way to do so.
I've only experienced the Akashic Records once and to me felt like a gigantic library filled with experiences covering almost infinite area in a somewhat void space (so vast that you couldn't see the walls and it was pitch black when you looked at the horizon).

What I mean when I say it's an inefficient way learn thing is that there's too much information. The human brain cannot keep all this information.
You would go around and try to learn something about mathematics but you'd soon be overwhelmed by the excitement and start reading everything on the subject only to forget everything you understood or make very little logical assessment of the things you have learned.
Akashic Records is a nice place, great wisdom to be learned from it, but only if you look at the outside and not the inside.
(Like the mainframe computer in a supercomputer: You only look at the main screen containing all the informations, not the hundreds of supercomputers)

It's not a place for humans to wander around casually learning random things that have barely any significance in the human world.
Most of the stuff learned from the astral planes for that matter have barely any significance in the human world.
Things we learn over there are for the after life. It's plain and simple.
The basic stuff we learn over there provide us with insight on the after life, it provides us with the inner proof that we know without doubt that there is life after death.
Unless you're in a situation where you need the Akashic Records because you have no answers to a current life problem that might've happened in your past lifes or someone' else life then I don't know why you would go there.
I actually happened to appear in the Akashic Records by accident, it wasn't even intentional and when I arrived there my reaction was to think to myself: -Wow! So these are what they refer to as Akashic Records.

I don't want to deny what people say about it but honestly... A place this gigantic, and people saying you can just go and wander around finding everything you're looking for in an instant and remembering most of the technical stuff... I don't believe it one bit.
I think that people see the place and they're like me except that instead of taking the time to admire the thing in itself, they get overwhelmed into actually going inside and reading/learning about all the stuff they want.
I think that as soon as you get overwhelmed like that, you actually end up your phasing/projection and just let yourself get carried away by your imagination thinking that all the things you learn is actually the real thing.

Otherwise we'd just see geniuses all over the world and they would all have figured the longevity and immortality formulas by now.
Akashic Records are made in the astral realm and in the cosmos for the astral beings/cosmic beings. It's like their "Fubu" thing, For us, by us.
Sure you can wander around about the place and learn a few things from it, somehow phase at the right time into it when you're in a dangerous situation and somehow learn how to get out of it in real life, but other than that, you'll only require going there on special occasions when you actually are part of being a permanent astral being...

There's good stuff in there, but nothing close to "I'll just walk in there and learn mathematics for fun".
You can do this much easier in real life and actually remember what you've just learned from reading a book.
And I'm saying this because how I've felt it, it's mostly life/afterlife experiences recorded there.
So if you'd want to learn mathematics there here is what it would look like:

1- You Astral Project
2- You start focusing already in a projection
3- You focus on your destination: Akashic Records
4- You teleport/move your astral body there
5- Try to remember what you wanted to learn in real life
6- Actually start searching for that specific thing
7- Find the book/memory you were looking for but actually you have to view your or someone else's previous life
8- Search in that person's memory where they started learning mathematics (see where I'm going now?)
9- Actually trying to focus enough so you can read the book that they were actually reading.
10- Understanding it. And for some rare people:
11- Remembering it

And that's if that person is not getting interrupted all the time by their life's situation. I mean... You'd be looking at multiple (increasingly more difficult every level) levels of focus.
Some people can skip 1-2-3-4 and already be in the Akashic Records via phasing and sometimes even more when you are on adrenaline and in a crazy dangerous type of situation in your real life and you need an answer extremely fast or you're going to die, but man...
It would literally be as if you were looking throught 7 different sized magnifying lenses...

Thanks,

This is a very good post. When I learn to astral project / start astral projecting (I bought a book from Amazon called "Mastering astral projection") I was planning on doing a little bit at a time. Also if I were to review another persons life. I would only try to do weeks to months every projection. I know what you're saying is correct. It's like the mind trying to absorb infinity like two mirrors facing each other. I"m only going to do one topic (or subject) each projection or lucid dream. Also the author of the book I said I bought says when first learning projection to do it for only 30 seconds to a minute. Then re-enter your body.

Are there any books (other than Xanth's or Robert Monroe) that talks about phasing?

Some people say that people like Einstein, Newton, etc... probably unconsciously tapped into the akashic records.

Thanks.

Yes for sure. You can think of the "astral realm" as a consciousness internet where your mind is the browser. Simply ask the question, query the database of experience and get the answer. The limitation is on what your mind is capable of parsing, there is a signal to noise ratio. The types of skills you talk about are being taught to us from the "Akashic Record" all the time.

Think of great minds of history like Nicola Tesla that made rapid leaps and bounds in technology by engaging in lucid imagination. Mosart is another example. You don't even necessarily need to go the astral world and have a simulated classroom like setting, that is just a limiting belief. There is also no guarantee that the classroom type setting will have any genuine value.

I have participated in a class on astral projection from within the astral world. I essentially learned nothing that I was able to recollect, yet I can ask questions about astral projection and receive direct communication from the consciousness system that results in real value right here and now. Of course the type of answers I am capable of receiving are limited by my experience boundaries. That is why the big leaps are usually made by people that already have a good understanding of the topic in general. Think of the experiences where people see barrages of symbols and fractal patterns as a form of information that we cannot properly parse.

You also have to remember that the consciousness system itself is intelligent and enforces rules for the benefit of yourself and others. This reality system is a learning sandbox so you wont be allowed to get information that will corrupt the validity of the sandbox, corrupt the experience of others, or corrupt your own experience. There is also ego to factor in - if your intent for using the information is pure you can have it. If the system predicts that giving you a lesson in maths would lead to increased ego and a regression in growth you wont get the information.

Thanks,
I remember learning of Tesla when I was in my late teens. I heard that he made not only the alternating current system, but a wireless electricity system that was unlimited in power but the government of the US and the electric companies suppress it till this day.