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quote:Originally posted by clandestino

Hi Ginny ! thanks for another great topic !

Its intriguing how these experiences always pose more questions than answers...

I like the way you said:
"For a second I checked on myself stretched out in my easy chair in C1, to see if I had reached a deep level of relaxation, and my physical body felt like it was a log."

I'm sure I'm not the only one around here who mistakenly holds the conviction that it is hard to get "to and from" F27 and C1. Often I approach it by thinking something along the lines of "ok.....I've got this far, and its taken me this long....I don't want to go all the way back to C1 right now and start all over again !"

As for the disk member, have you had any ideas on who or what this is ?! I've got a few theories (! more like guesses). Here's my best one.

Perhaps the "sphere" was the mind/awareness of a person who has been physically (or mentally, perhaps) incapacitated since birth ? If a person is born without their physical senses, how does their mind develop ? If the mind/soul retains its inquisitive, curious nature, even though it is devoid of inputs like sight, sound, touch, then how does it perceive and experience ??

I'm sure that there are many people who have been brought into the world with these physical disabilites, who can maybe teach us a thing or two about non-physical journeys,
regards,
Mark

Hi Mark,

It can be frustrating at times but yea, returning with more questions ensures afterlife exploration never ever gets boring. For me this is good, cause boredom and I don't get along---:o).

I think we all initially believe we can't reach certain nonphysical levels or areas (I sure did), but with the way I explore (in a relaxed conscious state), it's just a question of where and how deeply I choose to have my attention focused. There have been times when I could bi-locate my attention, meaning being simultaneously  aware of the physical as well as the action in a nonphysical place. Took some getting use to but it was interesting.

Your thoughts about the sphere and handicapped people are really interesting. I've often wondered about someone, as you described, experiencing this physical reality where the majority of their awareness is somewhere else. Maybe we've all had this experience too? When I was there with that sphere I was reminded that the reality we were in was beyond the earth life system. So, go figure! (hee)

Thanks Mark and much love,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by Gandalf

Hi Douglas,

Good analogy as far as I'm concerned. My husband, who isn't that interested in computers, got so involved with the computer game, Mist (spelling?), that he was *gone* for several hours. The 3D look and feel just pulled him in and he'd get stuck in one area of the game and literally forget his objective. Kinda seems this is what happens when we each choose to enter into any reality (especially this physical one), huh?---:o)

That more expanded version of ourselves (Disk, I/There, Higher Self..whatever we want to call it ), from what I know so far, seeks *to know, through experiencing*...and does this by simultaneously entering many parts of itself into all kinds of realities. Your thoughts are interesting...because I wonder if I was witnessing what it's like for a new Disk member, who was in a state of unfettered curiousness. He/she perhaps was totally in 'the Now'.

Thanks for you thoughts and love,

Ginny

quote:Originally

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I leaned back in the chaise longue and waited. Within a few seconds I felt movement and we were in a huge, whitish tunnel swirling counter clockwise. I said to Om, who was still to my immediate right, "Are we suppose to be in a tunnel?" I got back a yes and watched as it seemed to bend slightly to the right, portions of its rounded walls appearing tranparent. It seemed flexible, gently curving through what I guess was just immense blackness. I saw a brighter area approaching and could then feel we had arrived somewhere as the tunnel disappeared and the sensation of movement stopped.

We were then in what at first felt like a flat blackness but I began detecting a 'substance' to it. There wasn't a three dimensional look or feel to it, but it held a density that I find even now difficult to describe.

Before I could wonder more I was suddenly looking at a transparent sphere or large bubble, and from its center a thick bundle of countless lines or rods made up of what appeared to be light sprang forth, expanding outward to the its surface. These rods of light then seemed to disappear as the sphere returned to being transparent. My interpreter started going nuts and I was processing the data as fast as I could: okay, this is some kind of creature in another world ocean somewhere?---it feels as if I'm in something like water and am floating, next to this sphere? I let the image go asking for better understanding...felt a slight pause and then had the same image and incoming feelings.

I was then aware that I too seemed to be a sphere (I saw around me what looked like a ball of transparent film) and that I was starting to enter in to the other sphere's reality by moving over to the left, as it did, intent on something it was doing. I felt for Om--he was still present but not much help (lately these guys seldom tell me anything, they prefer me figuring things out through popping into and out of experiences!). I focused in on the sphere again, wondering what it was doing and got that it was in the process of creating something. It was busy, intent, focused on something I couldn't perceive...and I had the impression it was either unaware of me or not interested in my presence. I sensed movement. I was somehow involved for a moment in feeling a vigorous action or movement of some kind that the sphere was generating. It felt as if my bubble was then merged with its bubble and for a few seconds I was busy right along with it, assisting in creating something I could neither 'see' or understand in any way. I let the image go again, asking for better undertsanding (kinda sent out a begging to understand better.....lol). Received the same image but I then got or could feel there was something over in the area the sphere was busy with, but I still had no clue what it was: just a black area that felt as if it had mass but I really have no idea if that was correct. It was frustrating because I could feel that something was there in the funny blackness, something with substance (it had a smooth property to it opposed to the rest of the blackness) but I remained utterly mystified.

It then ceased it's work and floated a bit of a distance away and stopped. I moved with it and decided to try to communicate by sending PUL. As I brought the feeling of love, respect and loving acceptance to me and saw/felt it then go to the sphere I watched as a pink area spread out along its' surface and I think then be absorbed into it (I don't think of the color 'pink', or any color for that matter, when I expand my awareness with love energy--so this was interesting). And I immediately got back quite a joyous, loving reply as I was momentarily engulfed in a ball of pink stuff too, a spontaneous, excited rote that said, in essence (my wording), "Hello and I am in complete agreement when it comes to this energy and here's some back at ya!". And while I was experiencing its message it then seemed to turn its attention away, back to whatever it had been doing.

I watched as what appeared to be long, thing cords, each sporting a bulbous end, reached out into the blackness in the opposite direction from where Om and I were. I was starting to wonder if I was witnessing some kind of other planet jellyfish when I felt Om laugh and say no. I asked if the sphere was searching for food and Om again indicated no, saying that it was searching...but it did not need to find sustenance or energy in any form to remain alive. This got my attention. He communicated that we were not on another planet, this was not a 'creature' from another dimension ('creature' meaning other wordly, unknown animal species), and we were not immersed in anything resembling water. A state of confusion started clouding my perception a little. Feeling a bit defensive I reminded Om that we were suppose to be either visiting places of consciousness beyond the ELS that fellow disk members had either experienced and/or were experiencing, and of course he gave me a look that suggested he was in complete agreement with that. A funny feeling hit me and I looked back at the sphere and asked, "This is a disk member?" I sensed Om smiling, his eyes twinkling at my confusion.

The sphere began moving slowly away and Om stated, "He's (he/she/it) unaware of himself. He's unaware of who or what he is". I stared at Om, asking what he was talking about. "He's unaware because he has no concept that he should be aware." I thought about this and said, "He doesn't possess the kind of awareness of self that, say, humans have?" He said that was correct and lovingly watched as the sphere continued to move off into the blackness. I didn't completely understand what Om was getting at but I had the feeling that the sphere was operating at a high level of creativity, curiosity...and that it wasn't thinking out the 'why' of its searchings ().

It wasn't too long before I felt the need to return to C1 and I thanked Om for, once again, more questions than answers. Once back and when I finally sat up and looked at the clock I realized I'd been gone for over an hour. And then, as is quite often the case, information started flooding into my mind and I wondered about the sphere and what it really was: something about its features, what I witnessed it doing, felt familiar.

Thanks for listening and much love,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by clandestino

Mark,

Wow! Please keep posting about this...fascinating....and I wanna know where those trees are!---:o

Love,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by jerry34

what is this focus anyway? i learned by using my own mind . i only read your stories and have had many many exps

Are you talking about the method I use to explore the nonphysical, Focused Attention? Yea, such exploring is all 'within'. Our 'minds' are, I believe, a part of or always connected to all of consciousness and the realities created within it, whether it be this reality we call the physical or any number of alternate realities we're 'aware of'. And some people just have a more open link, so to speak, such as what you've experienced. Cool!---:o)

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by jerry34

i have a really dumb ? what if u c them in the light 2?i c them everyday and they tell me to do the stupidist things .i dont listen causeif i did i would surely b gone . what do u do 2 get rid of the voices and the visions?

Jerry,

A friend of mine had a similar situation and nothing this person did seemed to convince the nonphysical person to take a hike (he wasn't a beneficial guide or friend, he was a pest). Even visiting with the Non (another retriever and I) in the nonphysical didn't help much because he was so addicted to physical reality---it was almost impossible to get his attention. What did finally work was my friend realizing that, first of all, the Non had no power over her (only HER beliefs to the contrary gave the Non any kind of 'power'), and secondly, when she started bringing into her awareness the *feeling* of love (easy way to do this is to remember a time when you felt love for someone, a pet etc... or loved by another---and feel that love--it can't be intellectualized, you must actually feel it) the Non just left her life. And while experiencing moments of feeling the energy of love (when she was aware of the Non's presence) she also mentally told the Non to look around, see others there who'd most likely wanted to communicate with him, and so on. Have no idea if the Non left because he finally became aware of others or more than just his own addiction to the physical or not, but I do know that the energy of love opens perception, for those of us in the physical as well as anyone in the nonphysical.

Jerry...are some of your visitors operating under loving intentions? A good rule of thumb to go by is if any Non ever wants a person to do or believe anything they don't want to do or believe...ignore (as you've been doing) and the above info has been known to work well---at least for the people in the physical I've known and worked with. Nons are addicts...confused, still believing they're alive in the physical and desperately trying to continue with such beliefs. This is not to say it's an easy situation you have going for you, but I hope this helps.

Much love,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by clandestino

Hi Ginny !

I was thinking that perhaps your intuition to speak quietly with the woman in the cell was due to the signals you were getting from her, and the environment she had created for herself, other than external things like other astral beings.

Have you ever been in any retrieval-type situations where there have been other people around....e.g. more than one person to help, or maybe people interfering when you are in the middle of a retrieval ?  Or are they normally "straightforward"?! hee hee. Just curious,

Mark

Mark,

You know, you're probably right. Perhaps while in the afterlife we're more in touch with or able to more naturally access what we call 'intuition'. In thinking this over I remembered wanting to calm her down for her sake, so she'd be able to listen to me. Her hysteria was taking center stage and getting worse after she became aware of me.

Sure, the BST (Belief System Territories...Focus levels 24-26) are where you find people who are usually not isolated as they are in Focus 23. These territories have been created by strong beliefs held by many and are usually populated by a great number of folks. And I've been in retrieval situations there where yes, others tried to interfer with a member wanting to leave (people living there). I had one leader (political leader if you can believe that!) who was angry he was losing a convert. I've had religious people stare, glare and one minister stand before a pulpit and single me out, declaring me a heretic. These have been far and few between (perhaps I'm a chicken and don't like controversy?...lol). In several cases I made myself blend in with the community (clothing, mannerisms etc) in order to avoid conflict and just help the person out who'd been broadcasting a desire to leave. In usually relying on Helpers to decide which BST world we go to, for retrieval purposes, what I've found is we usually go to what's known as 'a back door' of any given world, meaning some people there have been moving further and further away from the beliefs/energy of said world, towards the outer edge (back door), desiring to leave for whatever reasons._

I've also participated in what's called PEs, Partnered Explorations...where another retriever and I agreed to meet at a certain afterlife location to assist in retrieval situations. Usually proves to be a great way to verify info, to validate stuff, and of course to help others.

Hey Mark, I don't mind the questions at all...and hope I answered this one---:o)

Love,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by clandestino

Hi Ginny, great to read your experiences ! keep 'em coming !

You said :
"She kept pleading, crying she wanted out and I told her she had to calm down, to be quiet for just a moment so we didn't attract attention. "

Were you aware of others in the vicinity, e.g. her percieved "captors", who you were trying to avoid ?

Mark

Hi Mark,

No. At that moment a part of me was wondering why I was telling her to quiet down (and I did briefly sort of open up more to her surroundings to see if I could detect others nearby) but I just allowed myself to play along within her world, for the sake of helping her out. Same with instantly knowing there were keys hanging nearby, to unlock her cell door...or removing a shawl from my shoulders to give to her (I don't wear shawls...lol). It's important to play along for their sake, just til they've become aware of others who can help them on their way.

In the beginning of retrieving, Mark, the retrieval situations were conducted more slowly, for my benefit I'm sure (Helpers are great tutors). Nowadays info comes in fast or things just happen and it's really quite easy to just go along for the ride, so to speak. I'm not sure whether Helpers are feeding this info to me or a larger part of me, connected to the huge consciousness we're all a part of, enables me to just know stuff. Still so much to learn---:o)

Much love and thanks,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by Frank



Ginny: I mean both. Either a formal "cell" with bars and stuff or just a small room in which the person feels trapped for some other reason than imprisoned in a traditional, Physical sense.

Yours,
Frank

Yes, a great deal of the time. Remember the post involving what I labeled the Cubicle Hell in the BST--people lying in stacked, tiny rectangular spaces? That entire experience was confusing and only created a ton of questions for me, and in returning later was told that that area was actually the 'back door' to that hell, meaning those individuals were trying to move away from the strong energy of that hell, distance themselves as best they could...and the cubicles offered some measure of privacy.

All very interesting...and serves to make me want to go back.

Gin

quote:Originally posted by Frank



Thanks again for sharing, Ginny.

Have you come across the cell-construct before? Reason for asking is I tend to come across this myself fairly often.

Yours,
Frank

Hi Frank,

Yes, a lot. Makes you wonder if there's something safe or familiar about being surrounded by walls or small confining places. For instance, when starting to explore the afterlife and confronted with all that immense afterlife 'space whatever', I immediately created my F27 place. The afterlife was an unknown to me then and I can see why the need to be surrounded with at least that which is familiar is created....(lol).

Frank...are you talking about encountering people in cells (with bars) such as what Ah-zsaong was in, or just small enlosures in general?

Love,

Ginny

Originally posted by Epsilon


Hi Ep,

Yep, you're right on it. It's all about the power beliefs carry, how our strongly held beliefs create. From what I've been able to gather retrieving has been going on as long as human consciousness has been here. And I feel we've all had experience with it at one time or another, whether we're consciously aware of it or not is another matter.

Another retriever who visited one of many alcoholic worlds within the BST (Belief System Territories---Focus 24-26) reported back that a man there had for quite some time perceived bright lights hanging around but they scared him. He had no idea they were Helpers. Interesting to see from his perspective what others not affiliated with that BST world appeared like.

Much love Ep,

Ginny

Originally posted by Hephaestus

Hi Hephaestus,

Focus 23 is a label Robert Monroe gave to a specific area of consciousness, or an area within the afterlife, he encountered in his OOB travels many years ago. Almost always the people there are isolated and stuck in a scenario of their own creation, due to several reasons, some being: beliefs held while in the physical pertaining to not believing in any life/awareness beyond physical death; comatose or sudden death creating confusion; fear, guilt or other emotions/desires people hang onto and so on.

Beliefs have incredible power. If a person stuck in Focus 23 *believes they're still alive in the physical*, they tend to be completely unaware of anyone around them who currently resides in the nonphysical, such as Helpers, deceased family members, personal Guides. When a retriever comes along there's something about their energetic makeup that a stuck person can perceive, because the retriever has an energetic quality about them that says/feels like, 'a part of me is still focused in physical reality'....and it's that energetic physicality that stuck persons will notice or pay attention to---*only because of their own beliefs*, not because retrievers are special or Helpers are incapable.  I've been to many retrievals where deceased family members and Helpers had tried over and over to simply get a stuck person's attention, to get them to simply become aware of them, so they could be helped and moved out of their isolation. All a retriever need do is befriend the stuck person and help them to become aware of others who can assist them. I never decide where they should go or what's best for them once they become aware of a Helper.

Much love,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by Faceless

Umm... whats a retrieval? heh

Faceless,

The majority of folks upon death go where their beliefs and desires dictate, but some end up in an isolated state of being, stuck...believing they're still in the physical and alive. As long as they continue thinking they're physically alive they generally aren't aware of nonphysical persons, say deceased loved ones or Guides, who want to help them move on but can't. A person still alive in the physical (retrievers) who visits with these stuck individuals, has an advantage in that the stuck person will notice them...and retrievers simply help them become aware of loving nonphysical people already around them, perhaps deceased family members, who can help them out of their lonliness and isolation.

To get a really good idea of what this is all about, you can visit Bruce Moen's site if you'd like.

http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com/index.html

Take care and hope this helps,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by Epsilon

Thanks Ginny for sharing your experience!  I love to read your retrieval posts.  I hope in the future I will be "astrally-advanced" enough to take part in one as well. []

"Ep"

Hi Ep,

Thanks for your kind words. In all honesty, I really don't consider myself all that advanced in afterlife exploration. Always working with Helpers has taught me a great deal but there's still so much to learn. But hey...just more to look forward to---;o).

Take care and will enjoy reading your adventures in the future.

Love,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by Pete

Ginny,
When you talk about Focus 23 thru 27, is the training for these focus levels available on any Monroe tapes/cds? I am using the Gateway Voyage series, on tape II now, and I see they go up to Focus 21. Is the only way to work past Focus 21 to take the program on site at the Monroe Institute? Thanks.
Pete

Hi Pete,

You're going to have to contact TMI regarding what level their home series tapes now take a person. I used them in the late 80's when F12 was the ultimate. What ended up working for me was discovering two years ago that although hemi-sync, tapes and the like are great, they aren't necessary to learn to how to focus one's attention away from the physical and into alternate realities. You may want to check out Bruce Moen's website, where he explains what he learned and now teaches: Focused Attention (which is what I do to explore and retrieve in the nonphysical).
http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com/index.html
He attended TMI three times and knew Bob Monroe well...all of which got my attention back then as I respected Monroe and his work a great deal. Focused Attention is all about becoming reacquainted with and utilizing abilities we already possess, to shift one's attention into other realms.
In reading Bruce Moen's books, I realized I didn't need anything outside of myself in order to, say, go to Focus 27---that I was already 'hard wired' so to speak to explore the nonphysical...that I could in a relaxed state just place the intent and be There.

Hope this helps and Happy Trails,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by Frank

Frank,

Been trying to find your retrieval posts---which forum?---:o)

Originally posted by HonaCorona




Hi Adam,

Hey thanks and I look forward to reading the many afterlife accounts you'll be posting someday---:o)

Take care,

Ginny

Hi David,

Sounds as if you've found a very interesting place....especially because it 'feels like home' to you. The fact that you've connected with that *feel* is terrific. Being able to Feel people, places and communications in the nonphysical is important for understanding and learning all about the nonphysical.

From my experience visiting and using the 3D blackness, I'm not sure if your black room is the same. When you say room, does it feel to you as if there are corners, a floor and a ceiling surrounding you---or perhaps you labeled it such when young for lack of a better way to describe it (I'd have done the same at that age)? With the 3D blackness there's a look and especially a feel of incomprehensible vastness and depth...and many describe experiencing various textures such as velvety, a graininess, sparkly...with odd areas that stand out from the black vastness that are actually portals (tunnels). I've perceived tunnels leading from the 3D blackness and have also traveled along tunnels without being in the 3D black....so hey, I see no reason why one couldn't travel that way to it. I just don't want to interpret your unique experience for you. Perhaps the best way to find out is to go to your black room and try a few things, such as ask if anyone is there and pay attention to any thoughts, feelings, images that come to you. A technique I love using when I don't seem to be getting enough info to understand where I am or what's going on, is to *let the image go (your black room) and ask for better understanding*. This forces that area of consciousness/mind, which perceives and interprets for us, to work harder. If you begin to feel/sense or 'see' things changing or appearing around you (and you're still not clear on what and where), let it go again asking for better understanding until what you have remains fixed, so to speak. Any assumptions, fears, beliefs we have can block perception...and the best way to get beyond all that, in time, is to continue exploring, placing intent, working with techniques to open perception more and more.

When I first began hearing about the 3D blackness it took awhile for me to realize that I had actually been visiting the palce for a long time and never knew what it was or what to do there. And it had a distinct 'feel' to it, David.....a place that has always 'felt like home' in many respects. I can go there and just literally float and become sooooo relaxed and utterly blissful. It feels as if *I Know* it well and I don't have a good understanding of why----but that's the nature of exploring---never stops being amazing!

Hope this helps and much love,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by Gandalf

What I wonder about sometimes though is that its ok to 'place intent' to go somewhere on the astral, however, if you have never experienced the astral its hard to know where to go or what to do, do you see where I'm coming from?

I think that some beginners might get stuck with this early stage as they wouldn be very sure what they wanted to do.

Douglas

Hey Douglas,

A big thumb's up on Frank's reply to you....and I thought I'd just toss in that I too wondered two years ago what to do with all 'that blackness'....and creating my own special place in Focus 27 really helped. It was a good place to go to in the afterlife with familiar things to relax and feel comfortable with (I initially placed the intent to be in F27...perceived only blackness--no problem-- and then visualized a small park I had loved as a child and just walked into it, complete with bench, pond, trees, flowers etc) and from there I was able to invite Guides, Helpers, deceased relatives and so on. And as Frank pointed out, I just played along with what I suspected was my own fantasy (when certain individuals appeared and communicated) until they started saying/doing things that were not in 'my script', my expectations. Got my attention. And then when I started asking questions which netted replies that held info I had never known about them (deceased relatives, for instance), and I was able to verify such info when back in the physical...well that was the beginning of me *knowing* that the word "death" shouldn't even be in the dictionary. It doesn't exist.

Much love...your friend,

Ginny

quote:Originally posted by Adrian

Greetings Clandestino,


The question is - what is "intent"? How is "intent" applied? It is clearly more than just wishful thinking - and that is the subject of this topic.

Hi Adrian,

Really good question! Just thought I'd add my limited 2 cents worth, and how I've learned to use intent to navigate around the afterlife.

As I understand it so far, intent is an area of consciousness that we're constantly making use of, but because we don't ordinarily focus in on it, say, in our daily physical lives, we just take it for granted. I think we'd all agree that thought, intention, precedes matter and action. It is what creates the physical, the nonphysical and who knows what else. We're using intent constantly, in other words. So how does one slow down and take note of what it is we're actually doing, in order to use it in a deliberately conscious way?

I have learned that *feeling* any area of consciousness can instantly transport me to that place. For instance, my special Focus 27 place has a unique feel to it. In wanting to go there I may bring to mind what it looks like in my mind's eye, but recalling what it actually feels like is what gets me there. Or Focus 23, where deceased persons are isolated and stuck, has a certain feel to it and in actually re-experiencing that feeling can get me there. If I want to go to an area of consciousness that I've never been to, and so have no idea what it feels like, I use B. Moen's Little Finger Exercise to place the intent to be there.

After going through the 3x3x3 (breathing to go into a more relaxed state, gathering energy to boost perception, allowing love to expand within me to boost perception--all of which should be *felt* too by the way: feel yourself relax, feel the energy move through and fill you, feel a time when you felt loving or loved and re-experience that feeling), with my right hand in a relaxed position, I then focus my attention on my index finger, knowing that I'm going to move it in a moment. I then pay attention to that moment just before I move it and pay attention to what it feels like...and then move my finger a tad. You can go back again and again and just experiment with that *area of consciousnes* where we intend to move our finger, as I certainly did in the beginning of learning this. Once you hook in with that *feel*, just feeling it each time you are in that intent area will do the trick. When I want to place intent, once I just feel that area of consciousness, I send out a mental desire, such as, " Focus 27, the Reception Center,"...or "Grandma", or a frequent one for me lately, "3D Blackness", and so forth. And you will go there, be there....it always works because this is how life works. Where so many of us have problems is once we're There, our fears or beliefs can block or color the experience and many feel they haven't arrived after all, where just the opposite has occurred. So, trust is a bigee.

While reading Moen's first book two years ago I was under the assumption that I had to pack a wallop of emotion into mentally stating my desires in order for it to work, or to be heard by the entire universe?---LOL! Hey, if that works for someone, great. Since then I just prefer being in that area of consciousness and bringing to me what it feels like as I state my intent. *Feeling* any area of consciousness is a mode of transportation.

Much love,

Ginny

[Originally posted by Frank:]

quote:Originally posted by Frank:


Nice one...

One day they'll be making TV programs about stuff like this!

Yours,
Frank

The soap opera, As The Afterlife Turns. Frank, you crack me up.---:o)

Love,

Ginny

[Originally posted by HonaCorona:]

quote:Originally posted by HonaCorona:

Just based on the post you put up about the techniques and "placing your intent" I tryed just imagining talking with one of my good friends who tragically took his own life a few years ago. I can remember that he did say some things I wasnt imagining in the conversation, but I lost them after I fell back to sleep. Very interesting though.

Adam,

Hey this is great! Just thought I'd tell you that at Bruce Moen's site, under Workshop Newsletter Archive, he goes into detail on all the simple techniques he teaches...and boy he can explain it far better than I---LOL!

www.afterlife-knowledge.com/index.html

Look forward to hearing how it goes, Adam.

Much love,

Ginny

[Originally posted by HonaCorona:]

quote:Originally posted by HonaCorona:
Ginny,

Your travels get better and better each time I read them. Thanks for sharing and giving me so much inspiration to continue with my own work!

Adam

Adam thank you. Please forgive me as I'm relatively new here (have only been posting and reading at this forum)---what have you been discovering in the afterlife? I enjoy reading about the adventures of others.---:o)

Love,

Ginny

[Originally posted by Hephaestus:]

quote:Originally posted by Hephaestus:
Im a little confused, so who or what do you believe these tricksters were that she could only see in the dark and that taught her to fly? and they cant have beem friendly if she was so afraid of them.

Hephaestus,

The impression I got was that she had possibly suffered from classic schizophrenia while in the physical. Whether during that physical life she was seeing what many believe are only hallucinations, or real afterlife manifestations, I don't know. When she died, for some reason, her fears rendered her stuck. She was still believing that she was actually alive and having to continue dealing with that situation. As to the tricksters, I don't really know whether they were creations of her own fear and anxiety, or perhaps guides, deceased family members...and her own fear-based beliefs misinterpreted who they really were?

Ginny

[Originally posted by TheJza:]

quote:Originally posted by TheJza:
I have read a lot of retrieval accounts - Monroe's books, Moen's books, McKnight's book, and Frank DeMarco's book - and now I have a question.
A lot of the retrievals seem to be in the realm that I would classify as dreaming. When I am dreaming, I could be doing one thing over and over again for an infinite amount of time (until I wake up), and it seems like a lot of people who need to be "retrieved" are experiencing this same state. I was wondering, is unconscious death (death where you don't stay conscious -  most peoples' death) the same as dreaming? I would expect the answer to be yes, or else there would be no other plausable explanation for retrievals. It seems like alot of the accounts I have read and heard (I heard the Patrick Tape while at Gateway) basically just "wake" the person up from a kind of eternal slumber and let them know they are dead and neeed to progess on.

Any comments?

Hi TheJza,

I've been retrieving for almost two years so thought I'd toss my 2 cents in---:o).

A great many retrievals occur in what Monroe labeled Focus 23, where I've spent most of my time assisting in helping some there move on. I'd be willing to bet that many there do sleep on.  Perhaps an extended coma or drug induced, prolonged illness before dying enabled this continuous slumbering to occur There. Others there seem to be trapped in an isolated pocket, due to fear of death or what death could bring (or not bring), strong emotions, confusion over where they are (sudden death), children who're confused or just waiting for their parents to come get them etc. The common thread throughout all these Focus 23 situations, and what pretty much seems to help keep people stuck There, is that they *believe* they are still physically alive. Our beliefs have a lot of power. And since they believe they're still in the physical  they simply are not thinking about or recognizing anyone in the nonphysical who may be hovering around them,  trying to get their attention to help them move on.

Hope this helps.

Much love,

Ginny