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You can create a world within yourself and the outside, which is what you are doing right now to some degree,... Or you can learn to connect your world to others to a greater degree, to a Wider Reality, forming connections you haven't previously thought of.

We can get lost forever in the semantics of the discussion.

Just be open to it being greater than we ever thought, however you want to define it.

I enjoyed Kurt's second book; I think it is probably better suited for more advanced projectors. I just finished my second read-through. Those are a lot of astral/mental body senses to begin working on, jeez, like 24 or something. I broke them down to six at a time and am working on them. Grade myself at a 'C' so far...lol... But seriously, I will probably read this book two or three more times in my life. I can't say that about many others...

Back in the seventies, all I could find to read was either Monroe or the books about the Theosophical version of OBE, not much a thirteen year old could manage; so Kurt's Theosophical leaning I can go with; I admit, it's just a labeling system...

I even went online and paid an exorbitant amount to buy his first book used, which I liked very much...positing that Dante's Inferno was a recount of his Astral trip through Hell... Made sense...

It's a great question jonnyd, is it real or just generated from your subconscious?

You get far enough, have enough experiences, and the question begins to lose its own relevance. The question becomes "is the experience teaching me something?" for me, that has become the fundamental determinant.

Doesn't matter where it comes from.

Yes, it is influenced by our individual subconscious...but so what? That's just an artifact of our psychological makeup. There are personal consciousness areas to learn within as well as collective consciousness areas to learn within. And it's by no means perfect, or even close, the quality of what we experience, dependent on us, for a variety of reasons; we are like children learning to walk. We have to expand our thinking as to how learning can be presented to us. Sometimes it came with religious overtones... Maybe to fit within our sociological context at the historical moment. It helps keep us together and advance us to the next stage.

Now, regardless of what historical or religious context people are coming from, too many of us are experiencing the Wider Reality and waking up to an infinitely greater and more beautiful multiverse than was ever before understood.

I won't pretend to persuade you with argument; you have to experience it for yourself.

Interesting idea!

Maybe tonight I'll set my iphone to silent/vibrate, set the alarm for 3am and tape it to my foot!

Once you begin having some Non-Physical experiences, you realize some are different from the others and you look around for categories to fit them into.

Like Szaxx said, what you had was the typical RTZ experience that most of us start out with.

In the Theosophical tradition it is known as an Etheric projection. You were occupying your etheric body and not your astral body. Your environment is a close approximation of the Real-Time Zone Physical (hence the name), but there can be widely-ranging differences, as you noticed; these are called 'reality fluctuations'. RTZ projections seem to require a good amount of our energy and are usually of short duration and limited range. Many people such as myself, are limited to their bedroom or house, and to go any farther risks fading back to the Physical, losing consciousness altogether, or shifting into their astral body and exiting the RTZ completely; others are able to extend their RTZ experiences and roam all over town, as it were.

Learning to control the etheric body early on is usually an awkward and amusing process. The thing just doesn't co-operate with what we want it to do because we treat it like the physical body and it just doesn't work that way. All we know is the Physical and that's not where we are anymore. It's all part of the learning process.

Once you've had some of these RTZ experiences, you'll likely accidentally shift consciousness at some point and have an Astral experience, which is another breathtaking event and epiphany of realization. And you'll scratch your head and wonder for awhile what category that should go into. In the simplest descriptive terms I've come to understand, the Astral can be divided into two parts: the 'personal-consciousness' realms and the 'collective-consciousness' realms. Depending on who you read and what theories you subscribe to, it gets progressively complicated from there.

And they all fall under the heading of Non-Physical or NP experiences.

Hope that helps some! Have fun!

It's probably not the progress you were hoping for , but it's progress nonetheless. You're dreaming about obe and vibes maybe you were actually having vibes and recognized the fact to the point you woke up.

You might try some nightly affirmations to program yourself to recognize the opportunities that arise entering and exiting the dreamphase.

Good luck!

Welcome to the big mysterious cluster... Confused and multiplying....

Soarin12, that's beautiful!

There was so much communicated and so much you received, i'm blown away! Don't doubt yourself, I think you got all of it!

"You having a national crisis or something?", that's like the line of the year! Priceless!

These moments where we are obviously being taught things are just truly incredible!

Well done!!

It's hard to know, not knowing more of your experiences. If you are bouncing between LDs and your physical body, you can be subjected to all sorts of noises, visuals and feelings. It feels extremely real and intense and at any moment can accelerate your fear impulse and make things nasty. You have to develop a strong sense of detachment and refuse to recognize even the possibility of fear. It can get quite confusing.

One theory says its a kind of internal check or safety mechanism to keep you in your body, another says it is an Astral security checkpoint of sorts, another says it is just "astral noise/feedback" because of your proximity to your physical body. Once your out in the RTZ it's best to move 15-20 feet away from your physical.

Wonderfully said deepspace.

Yeah Lion, dontcha just love the bloodcurdling screams! Lol

I had the helicopter blades too, a long time ago, turned into a LD with a black chopper hovering outside my window. Floated up and out the window to investigate and lost it.

AZ, in my experience it's just subconscious astral exit noise, keeping you honest, little fear checks, they may lessen over time but apparently never go away completely. They still fool me from time to time.

And some people get beautiful music...go figure. 

Hello Inphered,

While searching for a workable exit technique there's a lot of sounds and visuals and energy body sensations to work our way through. What we are expecting or anticipating doesn't always work out that way.

What immediately jumps out at me after reading your two previous attempts is this: Both times you got a visual of a tunnel. The second one was even flashing green circles leading into the tunnel. Now, I may be mistaken but it looks like someone is giving you the "green light"!!! And pointing the way to go!!!

A general rule of the NP appears to be that any kind of tunnel represents a portal to somewhere else in the NP. The NP subway system, as it were.

For you personally, this may indicate that you are more oriented to project straight to the Astral (phasing) rather than floating out of your physical into your bedroom in a RTZ exit.

Maybe. This all depends, I guess, on how strong the tunnel visual is. Does it have an immediate "pull" on you? If you focus on it to the exclusion of all else, does it strengthen and develop a kind of gravity that pulls you toward it? At some point it will become apparent that you can mentally step into the tunnel...and it will take you somewhere. Early on it may be necessary to have a definite destination in mind; later you can just let it take you wherever it wants or leave the driving to your Higher Self. You have to give the visual some time and focus to strengthen, if you step in too early you can get bounced back but just keep trying.

That's my suggestion; take the plunge! It's a heckuva ride!

Have fun!

You don't have to speak it verbally, just mentally express the intent (to your self).

That's also how you communicate with others: it's a simple, calm mental broadcast outward.

Or at least that's how it works for me. 

My take on this is that you are very close to a fully conscious exit but you are still struggling with the idea on an internal/subconscious level. You have been in a long process of asking your inner self permission to do this and in turn, granting yourself permission to do this. And it is showing itself in your dreams; quite literally your subconscious is presenting "what if...?" scenarios to see how the whole "you" will react to the idea of going oob. You are making dry-runs, practicing.

And that struggle is ok and probably normal for many of us to go through; I remember the same struggle to some degree. It really points to the fact that this requires some serious re-tuning of our inner selves. It's much more complex than we originally thought it would be. It's not just an intellectual exercise, not just a mental decision you make and assume the "rest" of you is going to follow along with, without complaining. You have to find agreement within your mental, emotional, spiritual selves and aspects, your subconscious, your ego. There's not a whole lot you can do other than to recognize what's going on and wait patiently for the rumblings to subside.

The lower back pain may very well have been an internal check of some sort to again test your readiness to have an exit. Early on we get a lot of these tests and they show up in different ways. Itches, scratches, drymouth, sniffles, and so on...then the hypnagogic stuff, pesky noises, voices, bangs, gunshots, screams...visual freaky stuff...and yes, finally whatever is doing this, your subconscious, your higher self, your astral Teacher, finally gets "physical" and jams a knife in your back! You jump out of bed saying Oww!! That really hurts! and your subconscious laughs and says I knew you weren't ready! I find it to be very sneaky, tricky that way, with a subtle sense of humor; that's why I think it's my subconscious, it knows all my weaknesses, lol.

You ended up in a WBTB Wake Back To Bed technique which is what works for me most often. You have the right attitude, take advantage of the moments when you get them; actually sometimes they are being "given" to you.

As for technique, I wouldn't get fixated on the death thing, but you're doing a variant of the Rope Technique. That's fine. Also, in a WBTB situation, just try observing yourself as the body slides back off into sleep. You will often see a long procession of images and visuals and if you wait long enough the visuals will slow down and stabilize to the point where you can literally step into the scene-that's Phasing.

To help resolve the inner discussion and dreams, you might try saying an affirmation every night for a couple weeks. Something like-
" I give myself permission to have an out of body experience. I know that I am always safe and protected."
Or-
"Out of body experience is natural and normal. I am ready and would like to do it."

Repeat it for a week or two, then change it up a few times. It may help to reassure those inner voices.

Next time you're that close to the exit, remember to stay calm and detached; ignore everything that tries to distract you from your goal, it will eventually give-up.

You are really close! Have fun!

Rachael, it also occurs to me to mention that it is much easier to visit a person rather than a place or a thing. All three can be visited, it's just that early on it is much more simple to "home in" on another person's energy signature or their ident as Monroe called it. So, anyone you have a special fondness for, or at least some good experience with, the connection is easier to establish. You could try for a connection to a deceased relative or someone still living. Just think of their energy, how you feel around each other, and take that feeling through a portal along with the intent to go to them.

As for places, pick one that has special, personal significance for you: your childhood home, school, family vacation house, the beach you had a great time at, etc. Make it a happy place.

Don't think of this in physical terms, like climbing in the car and driving to Chicago. You are attempting to establish an energetic connection between the energy here (you) and some form of energy there (person, place or thing). So it's helpful to know the energies involved. When the connection is established it's like a rubber-band effect and it's as if you are pulled there.

Wherever you end up may be the RTZ version of it, or a personal astral version of it, but at least you will be out of your house. And at that time you should have a small epiphany that you can now go wherever you would like! So shoot up in the sky or look for another portal. Express your intent and GO!!

Have fun!!

Like Lionheart said, I think creating the proper "intent" is very important, and then trying different ways to express or communicate that intent until you find what works best for you.

You might just express it telepathically when in the RTZ, direct it to your higher self, a guide or a helper.

Another way is to fly straight up into space or at a 45 degree angle. At some point you will transition, the difficulty being maintaining your lucidity and focus. You might experience a clickout and lose focus momentarily or you may lose the whole thing (what usually happens to me!). But it works for some people.

What works most often for me is to become aware of, and look for anything that might serve as a"portal". This can be a doorway, a window, a picture or a mirror. Express your intent to move to a higher vibrational realm as you move into and through the portal. Again maintaining or regaining your awareness may take some time and practice; the higher plane you find yourself in will require an adjustment of your consciousness and understanding of the new senses to be developed and exercised.

EV

Very nicely stated LightBeam; that clarifies the event and the preferred response.
Thank you for that!

Fusions,

I'm number 2 in your category. I hit rock bottom at 19 and decided it couldn't get any worse. Life couldn't hurt me any worse. Rather than check out permanently, I made a decision.  So I took it day by day, just to make the next day slightly better than the one before and have built on that. I'm 52 and still go through these difficult times. I'm in one serious decline for the last several years. It feels like you are thrown back to square one. I choose to fight.

I don't pretend to understand it anymore, I just deal with it the best I can. What I've learned is that the best thing I can do is to help the people around me in the best way I can. That makes me feel worthwhile. Worth being here. At least adding to the equation, rather than subtracting.

I don't know what else you do Fusions, but you add to the knowledge here, and that is valuable to the rest of us.

As many times as I have contemplated it, checking out is not an option. I have to see it through. Actually, I think a premature exit can seriously retard our progress. Not that I haven't considered the downside, nonetheless.

I think it's like looking at a particular grade in elementary school; we will say, " Yeah, 4th grade was a grump, but I got through it and can barely remember it now."

I also think this is a rare time in history and won't be repeated again any time soon. So we need to be here.

The last thing I can give are words better than I can ever conceive: from Khalil Gibran's The Prophet-

Your joy is your sorrow unmasked.
And the selfsame well from which your laughter rises was oftentimes filled with your tears.
And how else can it be?
The deeper that sorrow carves into your being, the more joy you can contain.`

Fusions, I hope you stay.

EV

My final thought is , yes, explore these sensations, but don't become fixated on any one of them to the exclusion of any others. Each and every one is adding to your repertoire of sensations to be aware of. You will find many of them in the beginning. Eventually you will find the one that works singularly best for you. You have to be as open as you can, it's coming at you from many different directions. It's both baffling and exciting. It's the multiverse!

Have fun, enjoy!

Go ahead and explore those sensations and see where they may lead you; but from the rest of your description it sounds like you are still way too physically-focused, so  while the falling sensation is often indicative of an exit sensation, in this case I think it may just be an energy-body sensation. So I just want to stress not getting too frustrated if it doesn't immediately lead to an exit.

It's a lot of trial and error, but stick with it, the reward is worth the effort.

I went through almost the exact same process as you've described with years of frustration. When I finally did experience MABA, I realized that I had probably never even been close in my efforts before.

At least try this a couple times: when you get to the falling sensation, mentally set your intent, pull off the headphones and let your trance deepen on its own until you fall asleep. Don't push it, don't try; just let whatever happens, happen.

Hello Snydaleid,

Welcome to the Forum!

IMO,

You are encountering what is probably the most basic problem many beginners currently deal with or have dealt with: that of achieving a conscious projection directly from an awake state. We just don't have any experience at doing it; we haven't been to the "destination" enough times to know what we are looking for. And it's just plain too difficult right now to get relaxed enough so that your awareness disconnects from the Physical, allowing the body to go to sleep and you to retain your lucidity. Instead, we spend our time visualizing, trying for deeper trance and trying to interpret various physical body symptoms, energy body symptoms, pre-exit sensations, etcetera...and the whole thing becomes totally confusing and frustrating.
So, what has been most helpful to me has been to re-orient my thinking and come at the problem from a different angle. The "destination" you are currently looking for is not just an OBE; you are looking for the "mindset" that comes with it. That mindset or, more properly, that level of awareness or condition is called MABA or Mind Awake Body Asleep. Once you start experiencing MABA several times, you will start to recognize the Physical/Non-Physical energy signature of this state on a fundamental experiential level. Eventually, your energy-self will recognize what it is aiming for when you approach it from your meditations. You will also get some OBEs along the way; maybe not exactly the way you planned but we're looking for quantity right now, not so much quality.

So, I would recommend that you continue your guided meditations, but then pull off the headphones, mentally state that you "intend" to project to a person, place or thing that you feel an energy-signature identification with, and let it go at that. Continue relaxing and if you fall asleep, then so be it. You may get nothing at first, but some sleep. Or you might find yourself lucid within a dream. Or you might experience a "click-out", where you lose awareness for a few seconds or several minutes, and then find yourself aware in the MABA state. Or you may sleep for a few hours, wake up in the middle of the night-so then try your meditation and see if your body slides off into sleep while you watch the progressive visual display known as hypnagogics; at some point you can actually "phase" into the visuals and go from there. You can also do this early in the morning a couple hours before you normally get up. Or pay attention for an exit opportunity during a daytime nap.

The key is to look for opportunities wherever you may come upon them; you might find one time period works much better than others, for you. When you find yourself in the MABA state you will absolutely have no doubt; it is the launching ramp to go many places.

You also need to do a good amount of reading on the subject to begin getting familiar with what you might encounter; this Forum has some great material. You can start with Szaxx's Astral Blueprint, Ashes' Focus 10: Mind Awake Body Asleep, Xanth's E-Book and finally Frank Kepple's Phasing Resource. That's for starters...

Remember, don't beat yourself up over how you get these initial experiences, just look for the opportunities to get them; give yourself permission to have them. You'll sort out the details later and refine your techniques.

And always remember you are safe and protected.

I hope that has helped a little.

Welcome to the forum!

You're making a good start to this but don't get caught in the trap of thinking that you "must" experience vibrations or you "must" experience sleep paralysis. There is a wide variety of signs, symptoms and signposts that you may or may not experience. We all fall into categories that may vary a little from each other or may vary a lot. There are a few people who are "naturals" at AP and can just lay down and be out within a few minutes; most of the rest of us have to work at it until we find our individual technique that works best. Like you are already doing, read a lot about the subject, continue your AP/meditation practice and you will eventually begin to learn your personal indicators that will lead you to an exit. The bold blue Permanent Topics here have a wealth of useful information.

For many people, including me, just laying down in the evening, trying to relax and sink myself into a deep enough trance state for an exit is just too difficult. I can get deep enough to experience all of the symptoms you describe and many others and that's good in a way that it helps to familiarize us to them, but I came to the conclusion that I was nowhere near deep enough. Anymore relaxed and I always fell asleep. What I eventually learned was to come at the problem from a different direction-and that was to go to sleep normally and wake myself up after 3 or 4 hours, or to wake myself up a couple hours earlier than I normally woke up, and then to attempt a trance state. The first method is known as Wake, Back To Bed (WBTB). This gives you a partially-rested mind and body but also relaxed enough that the body can slide back off into sleep while giving the mind a chance to hang onto awareness. If successful, you find yourself in the Mind Awake Body Asleep (MABA) state and once you are there you will know it with no uncertainty whatsoever.

You should also be looking for opportunities during a mid-day nap or during the middle of the night as you shift between REM periods and dreams. By thinking about this and setting your "intent" to do so, you will develop the ability to recognize these moments and increase your lucidity to take advantage of them.

Somewhere in all this, you'll find what works best for you, so be open to trying different ways. Don't get too frustrated, you are learning on several levels including asking and giving yourself permission to do this.

EV

Great job!

In my opinion, you will look back on this as a breakthrough experience. You were learning many things on several different levels and I think you did great! You should save your post and refer back to it for a couple years to contemplate what was being learned; practically every sentence you wrote has a lesson in it! What a great read!

By the way, I think you were projected and actually in more ways than one, as you will come to learn. You learned a lot about the energy bodies, strengthening them and the Non-Physical mechanics of how they operate...very different from the Physical. You did a great job maintaining your awareness/focus; it sounds like suggestions you affirm with yourself in PR are starting to show up in your thinking in the NPR. Short, simple affirmations can really be helpful starting now, so you might give that a try.

That was a blast, thanks for sharing!

As a child, I had mixtures of B/W and color "normal" dreams. I always figured it was part of my early development of visualization; maybe also influenced by a majority of B/W television shows in the early '60s.

As I grew older and especially as I focused more intensively on my dreaming, there was more color and vividness. I don't recall that I have any B/W dreams now, but some have very little color to them almost as if my subconscious won't put the energy into it or if color isn't necessary to the content of the dream, then it is disregarded or minimized.

And yes, the depth and degree of color seems strongly connected to my level of awareness/lucidity. The more awareness, the more color, the more vivid. Becoming lucid in a dream always makes the colors "pop"!

RTZ/etheric obes have ranged from the classically-reported sepia tones to soft blue to what is for me most often a kind of fuzzy B/W-dark green.

Astral obes are always colorful and vibrant. (one exception being my visit to the Badlands which, despite what felt like a high level of awareness, had very noticeably subdued colors; a clue to where I was and one I won't soon forget)

The air-whooshing is frequently heard in many of the Hemi-sync Gateway sessions I've used for many years. I think it's there mainly as an indicator of a frequency change taking place during the session. Just relax and follow where it may take you, tune in, let go and go with the flow.

I haven't yet tried binaural beats so can't compare the two, but the Hemi-sync I've used is a constant tone in each ear at varying frequencies. You can experiment with volume levels from barely audible to something the equivalent of soft background music, but it should never be loud. Louder is not better; probably just the opposite. Have fun!