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just thought i'd add that youre ideas about horus are a little off. your source for those ideas must've been some uninformed 'the end is near' cult, or some site similar to zeta talk. horus was once a living human being like everyone else and then he died.. he was descended directly from an annunaki leader, sumerian enki (EN.KI: lord of earth), egyptian 'Ptah', and therefore of 'divine blood', but he was not at all evil and he died and ascended to heaven (not christian heaven, by the way). he isn't still hanging around being involved in conspiricitical activies with the nazis, etc...

the fact that a bird of prey symbolized a god is nothing special.. such birds of prey (eagles, hawks, etc.) have been used throughout history. the bald eagle is the official bird of the U.S., and you can trace the history of that back to colonial times. nothing conspiricitical there. the nazis used it, so what? so do we! the characteristics of such birds are why we use them to symbolize such majestic or important things. ancient civilizations didn't use a hawk to explicitly symbolize horus and his conspiracy for immortality or any such thing..

there was a 'winged globe', a picture of a firey planet that had wings with feathers, and sometimes, in a more formal form, two snakes hanging from the globe in the center. i think that's where you're confusing the ancient bird. the winged globe was used abundantly by the sumerians, chaldeans, babylonians, assyrians, indians, egyptians, romans, greeks, persians, olmecs, aztecs, mayans, hittites, and others. but this represented the 10th planet in our solar system, nibiru, and this can be proven, if you trace its roots back to sumeria and discover what the sumerians used it to symbolize in their epics and daily life. it was used from then on up until the middle ages, when we went back and started thinking for ourselves again, instead of relying on the wisdom of the ancients. this (along with the catholic church) was the downfall of many very accurate belief systems and teachings from ancient times. if the catholic church had spread to china and japan, we probably wouldn't even take buddhism seriously today, as the majority of people here in the western hemisphere don't.

ever since the renaissance (sp?) greek mythology, etc., has been viewed as nonsense/stupid, and therefore ancient people have a sort of 'primitive' feeling for most people, even though we, to this very day, cannot explain why, or even HOW, they did many of the things they did (ie, the great pyramids, which were *supposively* built by the egyptians).

so.. maybe there's something in that.. i know it doesn't answer your question, but i hope you'll reconsider your beliefs on horus.

zecharia sitchin has only made guesses at what the grays are on radio shows, he doesn't really know what they are. but here's my idea:

the annunaki and grays both came from the same life form, some life form from the sirius or andromeda galaxy. the annunaki's home world, for some reason, went flying across space and ended up in our system (as ancient evidence shows) before life there had evolved, but the grays had their homeworld destroyed in a war eons ago and have been living as 'pirates' in space. they've been gradually evolving to fit their space environment, thus evolving weaker and weaker bodies, heading in the direction of a boneless mound of flesh. they abduct humans for purer sirius dna, since we are somehow related to them.

i had to go back and edit this since the first time i posted it i was really pressed for time.

lol..

*smile* *nod* *cram face full of snacks* ... *puff again*

a lifetime research isn't a source []

i know of the egyptian origins, and how egyptian civilization was set up by aliens, but the aliens were from within our own solar system. those aliens, the annunaki, were of a gene from the sirius system. the annunaki helped create us, so we too are of a sirius gene. alien 'grays' are a devolved sirius life form, devolving from the time they've spent in space without a home world and gravity to effect their bodies. the few actual abductions the grays conducted were to extract our purer form of the sirius gene.

but though the grays may not care for our life and take our dna as they need it, the annunaki are similar to us. they see things democratically, but deep down they're good beings. seeing as how they set up egypt, i don't think they would do such cruel things to humans. should you want to have a shot at convincing me of such, i would need a few sources other than yourself.

have you ever read books by zecharia sitchin? this is the stuff he specializes in. he's researched HIS whole life, too, growing up in the ancient civilizations and learning their language, thus studying their ways of life and mythologies. he soon realized that their mythology was a bit more than fairy tales, and found incredible evidence for a 10th planet in our system, sumerian NI.BI.RU (nibiru: "planet of crossing"), and that the ancients had learned vast amounts of astronomical knowledge from these people, as well as how to operate governments, etc.

i uploaded a 2-part radio interview on the file library where art bell questions dr sitchin and asks him about his views on modern events. try giving it a listen. it's not even the tip of the iceberg, though, and it's important to remember that. in his books (The 12th Planet, Stairway to Heaven, The Wars of Gods and Men, The Lost Realms, The Cosmic Code, Genesis Revisisted, Divine Encounters, The Lost Book of Enki), sitchin goes into incredible detail and uses literally hundreds of sources from ancient texts that are viewable in museums today to treatises released in the last decade. his bibliography at the end of each book is usually about 5 or 6 pages long (front and back) at least, and the books have very small print. the only thing sitchin does with his sources is tie them together, report them, and then show how they all, without exception, point to the fact that we are not alone. his ideas and theories are more solid than ANY modern theory on the exact same subjects.

he's a good man.

i haven't had any experience like this, i haven't even had a real obe yet. but i know it has to do with your 'third eye'. you can even see yourself from both your physical and astral bodies at the same time, like is described in astral dynamics.

for more information, there's an article on it by robert bruce on the article page titled 'astral sex'.

i wont respond to the rest of your post because of what you stated that you DIDN'T want to hear, but i will ask a question about what you said about the ancients..

quote:Originally posted by Tyler

Could it be that during physical destruction of someone's body, torture or anything like Aztecs or Egyptians did (tear out organs one by one so that the victim could see it) releases something else, perhaps this etheric matter for some entities?

i can't say anything about the aztecs (i only remember that one of the mesoamerican civilizations offered sacrifices to the gods by throwing people into volcanoes), but i think egypt was a little more humane and civilized than that, but i could be wrong. where are your sources for this information?

the annunaki, the people of nibiru, are also supposed to be more advanced spiritually, so they may have a lot of experience in the astral, but i doubt they'd start a war there. if they decide they want to wipe us out anywhere, there won't be much we can do. if we try to attack them it will be to no avail. you remember that star wars program reagan wanted and busted the soviets with? the biblical 'evil' winds of 'sulfur and fire' that rained down in the upheaval of gomorrah could very well have been an atomic detonation caused by the annunaki from space, and there is much evidence backing it up, such as rocks scorched as from volcanic activity when there has never been volcanic activity in the sinai. so they had star wars millenia ago, so that's an idea of where they are technologically.

i doubt they'll wipe us out 100%. or at least i hope not. they should at least leave another 'noah' to start over.

i didn't say you didn't think things through, i was just suggesting that if you didn't, that maybe you should. there was no way for me to tell whether or not you had thought you beliefs through, and i was not presuming anything, but going ahead with what i was going to say. now that you've made it so perfectly clear that you think everything through thoroughly and that you're very mature and wise beyond your years, i apologize.

quote:so you believe the world gets revenge on everything you do? there's a big moniter that, when you do something, your fate is set as to something else will happen to you back? That there is a force out there getting its revenge?

obviously i'm going to correct this. 'the world getting revenge on everything you do' would be the equal/opposite karma thing. i clearly said:

quote:there doesn't neccessarily have to be an equal and opposite reaction to everything we do...

i said nothing of a monitor, though what would your god be? i said nothing of fate. and once again, i said nothing of a 'force' out to get you.

quote:How happy I am that I have a REAL belief like karma, instead of some made-up belief like spiritgurl's.

ahem..

quote:i'm not trying to get you to believe the same thing i do; i wouldn't neccessarily like anyone to have the same views as me.

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quote:why don't you think about MY beliefs before telling me to think about YOURS, okay?

i didnt tell you to consider my beliefs (see above quotes). i can see how you would belief such things, and that's up to you. as far as me considering your ideas and point of view first, i'm not very good at that, and you'll discover that neither is most of the world, and you're not always going to hear what you want to. when you become both less self-centered and more open to different beliefs, this won't be such a big deal that you should flip out and type up a huge post trying make me seem unreasonable. []

you're blowing things out of porportion. if you're that offended by my views, and the fact that i don't revolve around you, or care that much for you, for that matter, then you can ignore me, and my posts. i won't reply to your messages any more since they bother you that much, but not because i care for you, but because i could save myself the unneeded textal flak.

no leaf. []

maybe something here will help:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4573

then thats what you should try for []

that 90-day program looks tough.. a lot of time has to be dedicated to it. thats why i'm going to have to wait for summer break to start. hopefully i'll be a lot more developed by the end of the program.. or else ill feel really idiotic. []

i suppose you believe we have higher selves, right warlock? if not, then you're at a strange place, considering this board is based on astral projection and our higher selves and metaphysical topics, of which the idea of a soul is very important to. supposing that you believe that we have souls or at least higher bodies of some sort, how do you think those came about through evolution? mankind has never been so spiritual as to evolve such higher bodies without needing some aid or assistance. it is rare that a man even ventures to their highest known bodies, so it would be senseless to evolve those types of things if there was no important need or use for them.

so you think the whole world is basically a big playground with no real meaning? just go out and have lots of fun?

by justified incarnations i mean who you're incarnated as and why. there must be some reason behind why you're you and not someone else. it's funny.. i dont remember being asked if i wanted to live or not, or whom i wanted to be.

it's my personal opinion that we were incarnated as who we are to learn from specific experiences available explicitly to who we are. there doesn't neccessarily have to be an equal and opposite reaction to everything we do, but something to eventually provoke some kind of insight, feeling or understanding, so that we learn one way or another, sooner or later.

i'm not trying to get you to believe the same thing i do; i wouldn't neccessarily like anyone to have the same views as me. but you might want to really think things out before you rule what's possible and what's impossible and what exists and what doesn't. you say you don't believe in karma, for example. did you come to that conclusion when you first learned of karma and what the ideas behind it were (for example, thinking it was a silly or stupid idea), or after thinking those ideas over and deciding what you really believed from your own experiences?

i remember in world history when we first studied other religions. i was a pretty serious christian then, and i laughed at all those middle-eastern ideas of karma and reincarnation and called them stupid and bs out loud. i started reading more on metaphysical subjects, which i've always been really interested in, and i came across karma and reincarnation quite often. at first i just dismissed it and accepted the parts that fell into what i believed at the time without putting any consideration into what i didn't believe. but over time, as i learned more, i began to understand it better. lol.. it turns out that i believe in all that bs now, more or less. []

ever had an obe or lucid dream, etc? thats what this site is here for, to teach people to do those things and more.

lol.. thats a good point

you can do whatever you want on your own. use this site and this forum and the people on it as guides. use robert bruce's work as a guide. there's even a 90-day program that i'm going to start when school's out on the download page. check those things out. you can go at your own pace and be influenced by none but yourself, and study more into the areas you're interested in. just think of it as using all these great sources as teachers.

ive seen that.. i think that the places they select really do have negative metaphysical qualities, and some supernature activities occur there. but the people running the show build up a hype that scare the people before they even enter their location, and i also think the staff working on the show make some noises themselves to give the contestants more of a scare.

youre right yoshi..

it's not the fact that people believe in a single, all-powerful god that screwed stuff up, it was the church. the catholic church criticized and surpressed many brilliant people that we look back on now with appreciation. had galileo not waited til his death to publish his findings, the catholic church would have executed him before the high point of his discoveries. who knows what knowledge they've deprived us of?

the egyptians, romans, greeks, etc., had a vast knowledge of architecture and water systems, whether you acknowledge alien help or not. they created vast structures that we still look at with amazement (i'm not talking about the great pyramids, i believe the egyptians didn't make those, and there is irrefutable evidence of such should i want to type it up and people to accept it). a temple to jupiter built by the romans was discovered near jerusalem in the 1800s. this temple was massive, possibly more massive than the pyramids. there were solid blocks of rock that weighed 1200 tons that had been raised into the air and rested on huge columns. there is no explaination for how this is done. modern cranes can't even lift that much weight to a height that high, and what's more, this was on a mountainside!

technology like this should have been passed down through the ages, but it wasn't. so we have degressed in technology in the past, during the dark ages. imo, the dark ages were when ancient technology fell and we began to rediscover things for ourselves and start recording everything over. and the catholics were supressing these new ideas, thinking for ourselves.

the church doesn't have as much power anymore, and i'm thankful. but the skeptic people that won't believe in the metaphysical, obe's and lucid dreams, etc., are now the ones holding us back from advancing. but people seem to be giving into to more and more radical ideas.. we may have dbz to thank for some of that in the younger generations, people wanting to blow stuff up with balls of energy []

eh.. since i lost myself ill shut up.

thats the first lucid to obe technique ive heard of that involves going back to your physical body.. i have a little experience with lucid dreams, so ill have to see if that works. it certainly sounds as though it does. i've sort of slipped out of the lucid dream streak i used to have going, so i'll have to get myself back into it and try that!

sounds exactly like an NDE. you're etheric body can't leave your physical body. you must have been conscious with your third eye active, too, if you were looking at yourself from both sides and aware of it. robert bruce reported the exact same thing happening in astral dynamics, only it wasnt a NDE. it sounds like you also have a very strong natural ability for metaphysical things.. i envy you []

when you die, the silver cord is severed and energy flow from your body stops. your energy starts waning out several days before you die, as your body knows when your time is about up. hence the change in aura for people that are about to die.

as far as your level of consciousness, i wouldnt know anything about that. you'd have to ask robert bruce. i suppose to find something like that out youd have to project and find recently deceased people on the planes.

yeah, i tried to edit while i was logged off. i posted 'possibly' when it should have been 'possible'. i fixed it.

is it possible to have a war in the astral? i wouldnt be surprised if those guys were embodiments of spiritual beings.. i dont understand them but ive heard a lot about them, especially appearing to soldiers during wars and stuff.

you can.. but as is often stressed in these forums, there are better things to use energy for, and you can't really do the things you see on dbz, ie blow down buildings with ki.

ive done that before. it is kind of tricky.. it seems like you'd have to be a pretty spatial person to be able to really get a good idea of what things look like from an angle you can't see.