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Is it the realization that you are in fact dreaming?

Yes, no more and no less.

I differ between 4 classes of dreams and OBEs.

Not very clear and not realistic are:
1. Nonlucid common dream (dream which is only acting in the own brain)
2. Lucid common dream (dream which is only acting in the own brain, while one knows, one is dreaming)

Very clear and very realistic are:
3. Nonlucid OBE (i call them dream-obe-combinations, that are dreams, where one is not knowing, that one is in a OBE,....."sleepwalking" with the astral body)
4. (lucid) OBE

Also, does anyone have methods of inducing lucid dreams i can practice, or some way to test yourself while in a dream to see if it is lucid?

Best way to induce lucid dreams is (apart from the reality checks) to use OBE-Methods. This increases the chances for both. OBEs and lucid dreams.

You fighted for the control of breeze during this vibration state. So you have interrupted it. The body wants to switch on "sleep mode", which means full automatic breezing. The harder breezing is a conflict between conscious breezing and automativ breezing. If you fight against the automatic, you will wake up. Next time focus away from breezing.

1 - Have you ever encountered more evolved beings?
a: Yes

1.1 - If so, describe the place: sudden awaking after sudden interution of a relaxation state (by the not understandable voice of the sphere)
      what were they like: green sphere with yellow core. Highly detailled movements. They are similar to plasma.
      what have you learned from them: that they are green... spherical  


2 - What have you found out about life on other planets?
a: nothing.

3 - What was the most interesting conversation you had? What did you ask/say and hear?
a: only own life related. Useless for others to know.

4 -  Describe 3 things/creatures that you saw there, but never saw here:
-green sphere
-only own creations / modifications like "the borg" (not from star trek) some kind of invisible species with a spectacular ship.

5 - If you've been able to read, what did you read about? How many consecutive words do you remember?
a: Once i have read a chat in an OBE.

5.1 - Have you read words you haven't seen here before?
a: no

6 - Ever learned special tricks to be used there?
a: yes

7 - Ever received a solution to a problem?
a: yes

8 - Describe the most amazing thing you saw:
a: the appearing of a astral beeing from nothing.

9 - Describe the most amazing thing you did:
a: Teleporting, psychokinesis, other supernatural stuffs in the astral world. Always amazing to do such things.

10 - Describe your most amazing validation:

I waked up and wanted to go to toilet. I went through the opened door of my bedroom and became then a nausea/dizziness and fell down. After that i realized, that i was in an OBE and begun to walk in the next room....

After a few weeks i had  some OBEs, where i penetrated matter. I remembered the feeling and this OBE. The nausea and dizziness which i became in this times was the same.

Then i realized: The nausea/dizziness of the door passing OBE was caused, because i passed a closed physical door (I got always my door closed while i sleep) while only the astral image of the door was opened. And this, while i believed to be awake on the way to toilet and so not able to know that i pass matter while beeing out of body.

11 - Ever had your astral body malformed or defective? What was it like?
a: Yes, once i hade flattened it to a hight of some centimeters. It was like...... being flat  

13 - Describe the 3 strangest sentences you heard:
only own life related. Useless for others to know.

14 - Describe 3 things that you still want to try in the astral:
-find out more physical laws
-make experiments with energy
-just enjoy to be there


12 - What interesting things have you found out about the Universe?
a: The astral world accords to some kind of physical law.

The coolest and most spectacular physics related discovery was the visible effect of some kind of lines, which occurs in different kinds on different occasions. This transdimensional interference effect was never expected, especialy because i never believed in frequencies. But these lines are the proof, thet some kind of frequency is there. Here some animations from them. Visible single line group during relaxation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8Dnh_m3kg4 visible overlapping linegroups: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqa5nn3F6BI Lines of a sudden falling back experience with noise (real noise is "harder" and louder): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeWAAvUnCzM

15 - If you believe in a God, what clues have you gotten about it's existence?
a:

16 - Ever been lectured on the process of Creation?
a: no

So why is this? It's happened quite a few times, why doesn't the astral world perfectly reflect our physical world? Is it because of my lack of memory of the waking world? Maybe I projected into a different time than I was in in the waking world at that present moment? Or is the astral plane just too unpredictable for an explanation?

The reason for the mostly presend differences between astral world and real world are, that the astral world is some kind of "image" or "copy" of the real world. And such a copy can be modified. Sometimes a bit, like when some furniture or decor stands on other position. And sometimes are the modifications nearly complete (if only some walls are still correct while all other has been changed). The differences does not depend from the clearness of an OBE. I had blurred and clear OBEs with good copies and the contrary. The astral world is positioned in the space exactly on the physical world. I had once an experience which verified it. It was a false awakening.

I waked up and wanted to go to toilet. I went through the opened door of my bedroom and became then a nausea/dizziness and fell down. After that i realized, that i was in an OBE and begun to walk in the next room....

After a few weeks i had  some OBEs, where i penetrated matter. I remembered the feeling and this OBE. The nausea and dizziness which i became in this times was the same.

Then i realized: The nausea/dizziness of the door passing OBE was caused, because i passed a closed physical door (I got always my door closed while i sleep) while only the astral image of the door was opened. And this, while i believed to be awake on the way to toilet and so not able to know that i pass matter while beeing out of body.

The vibration state is not the optimum to leave your physical body.

It is better to try to reach the state, where you do not feel anything of your body (total numbness). From this state its much easier.

What exit technique do you use and how does it feel?

Does these bubbles match in their behavior with these here?:

(2.1.6) Sometimes one sees bubble-cell-like structures consisting only of shades of gray. They are always vague and difficult to see. If one tries to look in the exact direction where these structures are, one learns quickly, that these structures always move with each eye movement. After each eye movement, they drive a little further. The structures "fall" slowly down, if the eyes are motionless. During the tracking with the eyes accelerates their movement. These are specks of dust or dead cells on or in the eye. They are usually completely harmless, but also no energy experiences.

Out of Body experiences are often a bit blurry, particulary on the beginning. Some of them begin even with a complete blackness or small spots of view. The view is then getting better during the experience. But sometimes it can take a half minute or even more till the view is good.

Im shure, that you had OBEs. You left the physical body and lived your "dreams" out of your body. This was a "chain" of OBEs. Your chain was a very typical chain. They can consist of more than 10 OBEs in a row.

Chains can only be broken if one wakes really up and stays awake and stands up for some minutes. But i would not break such a chain. These are rare opportunities to learn and experience many things in a short time.

This seems to keep happening to me, and I'm not sure how to stop it. I am have practiced lucid dreaming and am usually successful so i don't think that's the problem. I feel so close to projecting-it is frustrating.

Maybe you should think and read again about the definition of the border between lucid dreams and OBEs. When one gots chains and LDs, then one got also OBEs. Im not shure about, but perhaps do you confuse some OBEs with LDs. Many german Lucid dreamers call many OBEs just LDs. Mainly because they are not knowing about that the astral world differs mostly at least a bit from the real world. Other Lucid dreamers here in germany do not believe in OBEs and call them simply also LD, what makes the confusion perfect.

I was registered since several years here, but my english was long too bad to understand all. But at the last year i had the chance to get a lot of practice in english. Surprisingly i found out last days, that i can now write and understand enough to be active here. So i will do so.  

Some words about me:

I make since more than 10 years OBEs and many other supernatural stuff. The main reason for my interest is, that i want to find all out, what can be found out about this phenomenons. I'm working since nearly 10 years as some kind of hobbscientist to analyse all, what i experience. The goal of my work is to discover new methods, techniques and also new experiences. I want also find out the connections between the supernatural things to put the pieces of the puzzle together to a image.

I like also to help others, so i like to anwer questions about all things in the field of supernatural. I take the time to do help others always then, when i dont have to work on my "science".

Thats enough stuff about me for now.

Most people will remember this feeling, because its the same like in common falling asleep. The diffrence is, that you are awake with your consciousness.

Less than 4 minutes till much more than 30 minutes. Depends strongly from method, focus, motivation, experience and several other things.

Thank you for the insight proyect, much appreciated. So you suggest that I just maintain my focus on my mental thoughts/awareness and allow my physical body to "disappear" from my mind?

Yes, you should not think at your physical body or our eyes. Focus on any other thing.

Also, thanks for the response, I can tell that english isn't your first language and it means a lot that you took the time to type that all out!

I can read english as fast as german (my first), and type it also with same speed. But i was a bit lazy in school when grammar was the topic.  

Uts an astral phenomenon. You lived your dream out of body. There you can define your sight freely. That gives sometimes really crazy results. I had once a sight in wrong colors like a thermal camera during a dream. Or i had once an device to see invisible stuff in a dream.

I call this dreamless nights. You have something done wrong with your sleeping behavior. Maybe its just the winter darknes. But im not shure. The best and easyiest method to get dreams back is to split the sleep in two parts. Go sleep for 1 till 3 hours during day or beginning evening and take these 1 till 3 hours away from the night sleep. So youll get more dreams.

- Prayed

Not necessary for out of body experiences. Only good if you are religious.

-Then started to see all these random purple shapes fade in & out (Dont know if this has anything to do with AP?)

-Pre obe phenomena. These are mainly colors of your own aura.

- Arms and legs started to feel really heavy, almost as if they were numb ?

Numbness dont feel heavy. Numbness means feeling really nothing, absolutely nothing. But youll experience the vibration state first instead of numbnesss if you use your method.

-Then about 5min. later i started seeing these white shapes & they started mixing with the purple ones . it was really cool Tongue

If you describe the shapes more exactly (form, borders, structure occuring and disappering) i can say what it is, i know many diffrent visible stuff.

You made an "active" attempt. So you will get the vibration state if you make all right. Make the next attempt exactly like this.

The tingling is not thje vibration.

The tingling says me, that you are not in the phase of numbness. You have to focus away from the body and not to focus (or look) if the sensations go away and you fell now nothing. With feeling nothing is meant you feal really nothing. You even dont feel, that you breathe. Make another attempt, but now with the goal to feel really nothing. You dont need to have vibrations or tingling or such stuff (ok, this stuff is cool, and one can do much with it, but for AP and OBE is it not a requirement). A full and complete feeling of really nothing is that for what you wait.

One tip for later: If you always check you body for change of the feeling, youll get an "active" course of attempt, which leads into vibration phase. If you got problems with the vibrations, try to focus really completely away from the body. No view, no feeling for sensations, no breathing technique. This "passive" course will lead to numbness without vibrations and its difficulties.

Does anyone have any insight or tips in regards to false awakenings?

These false awakenings are the best things you can get. I call them chains, becauser there can be a lot (and i mean a lot) in a row. I had a chan with at least 15 OBEs and Dreams in a more than one hour lasting row. Chains with 5 till 10 are more common.

Is it just a side effect of AP or trying to AP?

Yes, its a side effect of very hard tiredness and / or very long OBE attempts without exiting. Some illnesses can also promote chains.


Can it be avoided or is there a way to train yourself to recognize what's happening so you can go ahead and really wake up?

They can be avoided if you take care to have stable and deep sleep. But there is no way to recognize shurely in such a chain, that you are in a dream or out of body experience or not. Sometimes you know it at every OBE of a chan and sometimes you have to make reality checks at every OBE of the chain.

Chains can consist of both. Dreams and out of body experiences. Some are EXTREMELY clear and others extremely blurred. But one thing got all chains together. They offer the great chance to get many experience in short time. Especially for separations.

It is a typical first experience. You will get more calm in the next experiences, so that these will be longer.

i think the astral matter is a misinterpretation of energy. Some kinds of energy feel like some kind of matter. And the intensification of supernatural sensations during an out of body experience makes the misinterpretation much easyer.

An separating with open eyes is very hard. I had experienced some sleep paralysis states with open eyes, but was never able to leave them the body. The change from physical view to astral view is a very hard thing, which can be especially hard for beginners, because there is need a special kind of focus and much experience, or one will fall back every few seconds if one sees something new.

The feeling of leaving the body is not exhausting or hard. Its an surprisingly easy movement. Before the exiting are no extreme sensations at all. You do not feel the body or any physical sensations.

The best way to go out is, after you body is not feelable, to imagine a movement as detailled as possible. These imagined movements will at some time be executed by the astral body. Youll notice it as sudden and absolutely real movement, without any physical body movement. And the movement is not about some inches.

The right time is a bit other than you may think. The right time is, if EVERY physical sensation of the body is gone. You will loose the control over the breathing, and every feeling of the body. Then is time to start.

The best method is to imagine first the movements. The astral body will begin to follow these imaginations soon. At the first attempts will these sudden occuring easy movements maybe stop your movement attemt due the emotion change. But after you became familar with this sudden starting movements, you'll got an secure way to detect and use the separating phase.

Thats both possible. Time shortening and time expandings. I experienced both. But the main problem is not the maximum time during the out of body experience. The main problem is not to loose the focus. Otherwise could the experience end in a dream.

The german speaking users may know this text already, because it was since nearly 10 years in german available. The users really likes it, so decided now to offer also an english version of my text. I made the last year over several months the complete translation. It is nearly complete and needs only a revision, but there are still two things.

First: Can you read and understand my english? Is it good or bad or even very hard too read?

Second: I could need a bit help in the terminology of the supernatural. If you are reading this text and find something topic related, where you know an more common word, i would be lucky to know it. I want use the most common terms to make the understanding as easy as possible.

Here is the text (Very large html-document):

http://www.out-of-real.com/obenew/ht/maintext.htm