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#176
I need to know the name of this technique so I can google / look it up.

It's from this book:

https://www.amazon.com/Astral-Projection-Complete-Beginners-Expanding-ebook/dp/B00ZODAH60/ref=pd_sim_351_5?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=G8X4QDB6N79CFP8RAY5Q

1. The Visualization Technique
This meditation method is probably the easiest way to astral projection. It is mainly a matter of
directed focus, and it engages your mind's power to visualize. Just as when concentrating, you
visualize something real. It could be your own body, another person, an object situated in your close
proximity, or a location where you intend to astral travel. All other unrelated thoughts must be ignored
and pushed aside.
If you visualize your physical body, then you must create its corresponding spiritual double. Then
slowly, you begin to move it part by part above your real figure, and progressively involve your
whole astral body. Your purpose is to visualize the transfer of your physical perceptions to your
spiritual form. The next thing to do is float. Yes, you imagine seeing your astral body floating above
your physical one. Your sense of physical awareness will gradually attenuate until the vibrations will
take over. Regardless, you keep your focus on imagining your spiritual body hovering above, and
watching your physical body from there. Eventually, as the vibratory state intensifies, your astral
shape is released and you can see your relaxed, real body in a state of relaxed sleep beneath you, and
the silver cord attaching you to it.
If you visualize another person or an object present in your room, you should be aware of their
precise location. Then, you literally set your mind on reaching the other person or the object. In your
astral form, you exit from the physical body and project yourself in the material world at first. From
there, you can adventure in the astral plane only by thinking of it.
If you visualize an actual place, whether you've traveled there before or not, you must have at least a
photograph that you can study. Memorize the landscape and, after relaxation, picture yourself exiting
your body and flying inside the actual place. Preceded by the overall vibrations, your astral body will
liberate itself and reach for the place. And so, your explorations begin.
#177
Quote from: Lumaza on September 13, 2016, 23:21:31
Hi Luffy. These "vibrations" akin to electricity are a exit sign.  Passively observe them/mentally note them and stay the course. There may be other oddities beyond that or should I say there "will" be other oddities beyond that. You need to bypass each and every one of them before you can shift. Soon you will find that you don't need them and see that the other realms are just a simple focus away. But for now you need to learn the basics first.

Many people don't realize that there is indeed a "learning curve" to this Art, just like there is in any of other form of a Art or new teachings. New discoveries abound. Note them, write them in you Journals and keep on keeping on!  :-)

I'm going to try to do that. I just needed more info on this technique [chakra exit]

Also Xanth do you have / can you give me the links to the 100 techniques pdf?

Thanks.
#178
Today was my second day doing a meditation (focusing on one thing like a picture). Then after that doing a chakra meditation in combination with that.

When I did the chakra part it felt like I was being charged with electricity / electricity running through my seven chakra points.

Can someone give me advice on this?

Thanks.
#179
Hi,
I'm reading a book called "astral projection for beginners". I'm on the part in chapter one where the author talks about progressive relaxation. I've got that mostly mastered. I also have the part about meditating on one thing mastered. The part on visualizing a scene I still have to practice but other than that mastered.

There is a method in this book called the chakra method. It's where you exit through one of your chakras into the astral plane / real time zone.

The chakras I feel most comfortable with are the root chakra and the third eye chakra.

Can someone give me some tips with this technique ? Or their experience with this technique?

Thanks.
#180
Quote from: astralm on August 27, 2016, 08:09:24
@Luffy that is what you are looking to do, or the what.  I meant more what are you looking to get out of the experiences, or the why.  Both are important but the why is overlooked much more frequently.  What we do is not as important as why we do it.

This can be personal and by no means needs to be shared here.  But tackling your personal why or intent will be a huge step regardless of what technique you decide, and might help point you to which technique.

Can you explain more how my interests can lead to the type of technique I should do?

Thanks.
#181
Quote from: astralm on August 26, 2016, 19:58:43
I believe left handed devil connection goes back to the early Latin church days.  I believe sinister means left handed.  I know it is still used in chemistry to describe "left handed" isomers of molecules.

Luffy if you really don't care if the methods you learn are evil or harmful you might consider thinking on that some.  Not caring about the state of your consciousness can lead to some serious blocks and limitations.  I guess one question might be what are you looking for out your ap experiences.  knowing this might make knowing what techniques might work for you easier.

Just to learn life lessons, explore the astral, see dead relatives. Go over past lives. Stuff like that.

I'm going to try one of the techniques from either in5d or the 66 techniques.

Thanks.
#182
Quote from: ThaomasOfGrey on August 26, 2016, 03:13:06
@luffy28, forget the left hand path stuff. As you pointed out, if you can learn something valuable, take it and remain mindful of the source. We can't get tied up in dogmatism.

Here is my key take away from what I have read so far in Astral Codex, and thanks for making me aware of this book. The author describes that when it comes to conscious projection (I assume that is our goal) that the majority of users find success in this particular circumstance: the mind is in a state of concentration, at the time that the body falls asleep.

Immediately we have four concepts to deal with that really lack sufficient context in the english language. Mind, concentration, body and asleep. The author points out that concentration is not the same as quieting the mind, and it is also not the same as imagination or free flow thought. Concentration seems to be about a thread of awareness that remains statically fixed on a topic of choice, even as others come and go.

When he talks about the body falling asleep, I think it means literally as if you are asleep. If you had a person sitting there monitoring you they would believe you have fallen asleep, even if you are actually still aware mentally. It is difficult to tell from the insider perspective whether you are asleep yet or not. If the author is to believed projection occurs at the moment of sleep so if you are wondering if you are there yet, you aren't!

Then is this (when they put their body in a sleep / half awake state / super daydream) the same as body asleep / mind awake state?

Also when using techniques is it good to use techniques from these pages.

http://in5d.com/30-astral-projection-techniques/

https://www.google.com/#q=66+astral+projection+techniques+pdf

Thanks for any future replies.


#183
I also wanted to ask what is meant by being asleep?

In almost every book (from Monroe to Robert Bruce to most of the books I've read on astral projection) the author says your body needs to be asleep.

A lot of the time I lie in my bed but my mind is in a very day dream like state. While my body is if it's actually asleep. Is this the condition the authors talk about.

Or is it actually being physically asleep?

Thanks.
#184
I don't care if they're a cult.

As long as I can learn ap from them.

I've seen reviews of the book and people said they astral projected with it.

How is he supposed to hurt me if he can't see me.

Also I just need to talk to people who've had success with ap.

Other than that I need a book that is free (low on money) that I can learn ap from and successfully astral project.

Does anybody know any techniques from him other than the heart technique?

Thanks.
#185
I've read up to chapter 3 [of astral codex] and read a little after that. He doesn't give any actual techniques to astral project with only tips.

I googled "astral projection concentration techniques", and only got one technique that said to listen to the heart as you fall asleep.

Any tips?

Thanks.
#186
I've been reading a book called "The Llewellyn Practical Guide to Astral Projection The Out-of -Body Experience" and it's alright pretty far.

I've been doing rhymetic breath and formula one and formula one is pretty good.

Also do I have to have good health (vegan) in order to succeed?

I need help understanding this technique from pg 99 - 103

"Here, then, is the technique:
The place and the time should be those you have
chosen for your projection work. You should not be
wearing any tightly-fitting article of clothing: nudity,
or a single loose garment, are the best options.
Neither should you have eaten within the hour:
digesting a meal is, in itself, a work for the attention
of your instinctual level of being, and if you divide
that attention both your projection endeavors and
your digestion are likely to suffer.
You stand erect in the Wand Posture, take up the
Rhythmic Breath, and when this is established you
perform Formula One. (Formula One, as a general
rule, is incorporated in all these experiments: in the
first part of the experiment, it energizes, and in
concluding the experiment it helps prevent astral
bleeding and ensures a rightful harmony between the
levels.) The Formula having been completed, you
continue the Rhythmic Breath.
Now, you are going to bring astral substance out
from the "solar plexus" region, the upper part of the
abdomen. People do sometimes exteriorize astral
substance from other parts of the body or head, but
the solar plexus is very "astro-sensitive," and it is
easiest to work from that area. (To find the exact
spot, just ask yourself where in the upper part of
your abdomen you feel most vulnerable.) So, in your
visual imagination, send forth to a convenient
distance before you a jet of silver-grey mist, which
should form at that distance into a small cloud.
Imagine this cloud next forming into a sphere. Do not
visualize any great quantity of silver-grey material
being exteriorized, and when you think - or say -
"That's enough!" let the outflow cease; though the
sphere should still be attached to the point of
ejection by a faint cord of the same substance. (See
Chapter 2, Question 7.)
For this initial practice, you have now only to put
the procedure into reverse. Simply visualize the
sphere becoming once more a diffuse cloud, then
draw it all back into yourself through the cord rather
like drinking through a straw (the Rhythmic Breath
will help), then finally re-absorb the cord.
When this process is complete, check that you are
still in the Wand Posture and round off your experience
with a repetition of Formula One.
The first two or three times that you work through
this procedure, you are likely to have an inner feeling
that the whole thing is only happening in your imagination.
Don't let this trouble you; the first few times,
quite likely it Is only happening in your imagination.
But, quite quickly, your astral body will grasp what
you are showing it, what you are expecting it to do,
and, unless it has any specific motive to resist your
wishes, it will very soon make your visualizations and
directions of astral substance real. Be ready to sense
that first delicate response; take care to be pleased,
grateful, to let your lower self know it has done
well.
Show, enact, and then when the action is successfully
imitated, manifest pleasure. An animal, a young
child, or the sub-rational levels of your own personality:
all can be trained in this way. "Failure" would
usually only mean the need for more patience;
sometimes, but rarely, the need to discover the reason
for a contrary impulse. But in the great majority of
cases, patience, kindness, gentleness, confidencewinning
are all the qualities required.
You can add something more to this initial
practice in ejection of astral substance. Instead of
simply forming it into a sphere, try forming it into a
"key figure" - that is to say, into a human figure of
about your own stature, generally silver-grey in color,
clothed in a simple dignified manner, being altogether
unelaborate and not over-detailed in aspect. DO NOT
ATTEMPT IN ANY WAY TO IDENTIFY YOURSELF
WITH THIS FIGURE AT THE PRESENT
STAGE. It is simply a doll, a puppet, a lay-figure as
yet. Visualize it in the same posture as yourself, and
facing you. The connecting cord should extend from
your solar plexus to the solar plexus region of the
igure. When the figure is quite clearly and plainly
there, then unemotionally turn it back into a
nebulous mass of silver-grey vapor, and re-absorb it
through the cord in the normal manner. And, of
course, don't forget Formula One!"

pg. 99 - 103

I just need help understanding it and what it means?

Also I can't stand in the wand posture [standing] for long because of my weight.

Thanks.
#187
Do you have any other techniques / books that inspired you / advice?

I'm trying meditating and it's pretty hard not because of the discipline (but) because of finding time to do it.

I usually meditate to meditation music. The only reason I don't meditate to silence is because it gets boring and we're in the digital age. So meditating to music / mp3's / cds (in my opinion) can be done.

Thanks for the info.

#188
Quote from: madmagus on August 04, 2016, 18:01:33
My understanding of using a mental rundown is for you to engage your mind in a scenario that holds your attention, that has a bit of action but not so much that it over stimulates you.  I am not a big trampoline person.  Barely used them as a kid.  But it is occasionally effective because it is repetitive action that does not require much active thought.  i also use walking down a favorite beach and biking down a path along the beach.  I like to use beaches just because i am very familiar with them and feel comfort just being around one.  In other words, you need to choose something that you can connect to yourself.  Choose something minimally active rather than passive.  It draws you into the scenario easier.  Technically, if you found it personally useful, you could picture yourself meditating at the edge of a serene pond.  but the idea behind providing action to the scene is that it more readily draws you into it naturally by putting you into motion, so to speak.  These are just the theories of course.  Test stuff out for yourself.  Experiment.  No matter what, it has to suit only you in the end.

How can I use them with the hemi-sync cds. I have the gateway series and the journeys out of the body series.

Can anyone give me some tips on how to meditate and what to visualize?

I'm going to use this technique.

http://www.unlimitedboundaries.ca/2010/11/25/xanths-phasing-method/
#189
Quote from: madmagus on July 30, 2016, 07:43:49
Thanks for clarifying your position.  You are right in one respect.  To become adept at meditation, it will take some time, but just starting a regular practice will increase your ability to concentrate and focus.  You'll be surprised how quickly.  People too often fall into a trap with meditation and decide that if they can't become expert at it immediately, that it's not worth their time.  Most people don't have the capacity to think long term nor to make decisions and create action plans that extend focus and practice.  Now, now, now, now, now.  No patience. 

So, start simple. 

You don't have to find some guru or spend a nickel. 

Quick example:  Find a place to sit comfortably.  It doesn't matter where.  It doesn't matter how.  For that matter, half of my meditation practice is a walking one.  But for this simple meditation, just sit down and relax.  Take a few deep, slow breaths and tell your body to let go of all the tension head to toe.  You'll be amazed how talking to yourself really helps.  Once you are feeling comfortable and relaxed, notice your breathing.  Don't count.  Don't hold one nostril and breath out the other.  Just relax and take normal breaths.  People tell you to watch the breath.  Well, that can be confusing at first.  An easy focus is to put your attention in the center space between the intake point of your nostrils and feel the breath enter and leave.  And just watch.  Be the observer.  No actions.  Just maintain your awareness on the in/out flow of air.  That's it.   Start with 10 minutes a day and increase as you feel comfortable.  When your mind wanders, and it's guaranteed to, just redirect your focus back to the breath.  The redirection is an expected part of the process for every single person who learns meditation.

This simple practice can be the beginning of your meditation experience.  You can get all freaky with it later after you are comfortable.

This practice builds naturally your ability to hold a point of focus.  Holding a relaxed point of focus is a key element for Phasing/OBE.

If you want to play around with various Phasing techniques while you learn meditation, go for it.  But the ground work, the foundation for longevity is meditation, or more particularly developing your ability to focus your awareness on NPR long enough to phase into it.  And to be clear on this point, Phasing into it means that you have transferred your conscious awareness completely from the physical to the non-physical.  You have dissociated your awareness from your physical surroundings.

Hope this helped a little more.

I tried the mental rundown and I felt a little disassociated. My mind felt like it was in a different place and my body was in its place but at once.

Are there any actions you recommend to do? [for the mental rundown]

Since I've never jumped on a trampoline for a while. I tried it and couldn't hold it for long since it's been years.

Thanks.
#190
Woke up this morning at 5am. Thought about goals / did a little auto-suggestion.

Then awoke to various alarms. I remember trying the indirect techniques and getting vibrations, but didn't get beyond that.

Thanks,
Any suggestions / advice would help.

#191
Quote from: madmagus on July 29, 2016, 22:28:08
Luffy28.....Interpret what?

The short e-book is as straight forward as you can get where phasing/OBE/AP is concerned.  Of course, that's based on my personal experience.

If you truly understand what focus means, there is nothing else for you to worry about.  The entire e-book was about using proper focus to achieve the out-of-body state, and I can't say it any better than Xanth did.


Phildan1....I have no idea what you are talking about.  What does money and trading have to do with the e-book or Phasing?  You seem very confused.

It's just so scientifically based (a subject / area I'm not good at as of yet) so that's why I really don't understand it. Maybe I'll read it again.

Also that book (think and grow rich) can be used for purposes other than just money. Even though most people who read it just read it for money.

Also what do you mean by "meditate"?

What I interpret-ate is focusing on one thing or disciplining the mind.

For the average person that takes months to years (at least for me), but for me it would probably take years to do it from a non-phase like state.

Thanks for the information.

Any more tips / info / advice could be added / said,
again thanks.
#192
Quote from: madmagus on July 27, 2016, 05:22:27
Luffy28, if you are interested, a small bit of advice that is not really technique related.  

Not to presume, but if you haven't already, read Xanth's free e-book.  Learn what focus is all about.  And I don't mean this condescendingly because focus when it comes to APing has a specific connotation beyond the obvious.  A critical one.

You have so much energy for this, so much drive to achieve AP.  Honestly, you seem to be in some huge rush.   In other words, you sound like the typical A-personality type driven by the need to succeed......now.

Relax.  Meditate to calm and focus your mind.  And, please understand, I don't say meditate like "go chill dude."  I mean that meditation is a critical skill for APing to become easier.   My first teacher taught me that over 40 years ago, and I've never regretted his advice.

Read the aforementioned short book.  Find a technique you are comfortable with and stick to it for a while.  Not forever.  But at least give it a few weeks before looking for more advice and jumping to something else.  

No one has 'the' answer you are looking for to make it all work.  More information is not what you need.  Calm practice and experience is.  Learn how to apply focus, and suddenly it will all snap into place for you.  Voila!

Thank you,
I already have the book and have read most of it but it seems confusing to me. I'm reading the original version of think and grow rich (only available online not / barely a physical copy) and this is where I'm getting my hope / desire to ap. I'm constantly in a desire / money conscious frame of mind toward quick ap or ap working from the phase book.

I tried last night but went to bed too late, so the alarms didn't awaken me (plus the third phone I found didn't work  :x).

I'll try your advice once / if someone can explain to me the (or their) interpretation of the book.
#193
Just found another smartphone and fixed it going to see if it works. :-D

Other than that going to see all three to alarms this Fri-Sun. And going to see if I can do the ap alarm technique combined with the phase technique.

Any advice for this?

Once I get a response I'll put a link to the technique if it's not on this site already.
#194
I awoke at 1/2am naturally. But for the 3:30am I awoke to an alarm clock.

I have meetings tomorrow so I won't be able to do it till Friday-Sunday.
#195
Quote from: WhiteMonkey on July 25, 2016, 04:11:32
That's an interesting statement. So according to your experience ever dream is a puzzle and needs to be solved or lets say experienced?
Can you give me an example here?
Would be very interested.



@luffy:
for me the best time to stand up is after 7 to 8 hours sleep everything after makes me more tired and everything before makes me not working as well. So for me I like to stand up after 5 to 6 hours of sleep.

The optimal setting for me is like this: read about obe's like journals, books or just randomly on the forum from 8pm to 10pm then at 10pm I will go to bed with the intention to wake up around 4 am. I don't use an alarm cause I can program myself quite good(just lay down say to yourself my body feels heavy and warm until this happens than say I'm totally relaxed and then I wake up at 4 am) works 80% of the times. Then at 4 am I jump out of bed otherwise I will continue sleeping and go to the bathroom, drink something and make some streching. Then I read for 5 mins something about obe and go to sleep with the intention to separate and to become aware and of course to wake up motionless. Then once woke up I do the technique you already know.

Just do it 100% percent don't give the thought I do it later any change. Push yourself through and don't stop.

Thanks,
I awoke at 1/2am this morning and played the recorded affirmations for 10 mins.

Then went back to sleep and awoke at 3:30am and went back to sleep immediately.

After that I awoke in the afternoon.

Are there any other books similar to the phase?

More advice from anyone would help.

Thanks.
#196
Thanks,
Like I said I felt like I was in a half awake half-asleep state. I also couldn't tell whether the dream was a dream a lot of the time. I could tell it was very real to me and didn't feel like a dream to me.

Also at certain times during the dream I felt myself at my bed.

Tomorrow night I'm going to set the alarm for 4.5 hours (3:30 am) and try to listen to the affirmations I recorded for 10-15 minutes.

Thanks,
more advice / personal experience would be good.

#197
This morning I awoke at 5am. Felt like I was up for 30-40 mins.

I then had a dream about a politicians wife trying to sleep with me. I resisted the whole dream.

During this dream I felt like I was half asleep half awake.

Should I sleep for less time. I'm going to try for 4.5 hours if I can.

Any advice?

Thanks.
#198
Quote from: WhiteMonkey on July 23, 2016, 09:24:49
Hey Luffy,

first of all gratulation to your discipline in trying so hard that's really inspiring.

Here are the mistakes you make with this technique I read out of your posts:

- it doesn't matter if you awake with or without movement
- it doesn't really matter if you wake up or not in the middle of the night(waking up might be better but its not a must)
- if one thing isn't right you don't seem to make an attempt which lowers your success rate dramatically

Here is the technique and some tips:

Optional: Stand up 6 hours after sleeping (the best time would be: your normal sleep time (between 4 and 10 hours) - 2 hours) keep awaking between 5 to 50 mins and go back to sleep with the intent to wake up motionless and to directly separate.
When you wake up (motionless or with movement) directly try to separate.
If you cant separate circle the techniques for at least 4 times. Each circle shouldn't be longer than 20 secs.
I any of the techniques creates sensations stick with it a little longer (basically you are already in the phase!!) and separate.
Once separated follow your plan of action.

Tips:
Try to simulate the sequence a few times during the day. Start with laying down and thing I'm sleeping. Waking up and so on. Make this for successful separation and for unsuccessful ones. In a phase course you will practice this for 1 hour each day.

Try to use this technique in the afternoon on nap time. Leave the first step of waking up earlier out of course.


Hope this could help, in case of any questions feel free to ask me.

Thanks,
I awoke this morning (what felt like 3am) without an alarm clock, but went back to bed immediately because I forgot to do the techniques.

I was on dreamviews forum and the were talking about the book the phase. One person went back to sleep and tried indirect techniques (examples, phantom wiggling and hands visualization) and was able to separate from their body.

Is this a way I can separate from my body?

I've tried having micro awakenings but most of the time it doesn't seem to work.

Can someone give me tips on how to micro awaken (awaken throughout sleep).

Also I'm reading a book called lucid dreaming gateway to the inner-self.

Thanks.
#199
Am going to try it again tonight but with 4 separate phones with the same time set (3:30am).

Hopefully I'll awaken and will post tomorrow what happened.
#200
I came up with a trick to try to awaken myself.

I had two regular phones and two spare smartphones.

I set up the app alarmy from android on the two smartphones and set up 5 am on the two regular phones and was awoken this morning.

I stayed up for a while and couldn't go back to sleep. It felt like I was half awake half asleep.

I'm going to try 4.5 hours instead of 6 hours.

Any advice would help,
Thanks.