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so then we are agreeing here?

what do you mean by that?  is that relative to something else, that is powerful?  

powerful experiences are what led me to the path i'm on now.  w/out those few i don't think i'd be where i'm at right now.  

i think they can have great impact, if it's not the persons choice that they are to be ignored.

many people have a brief spiritual encounter that starts them on the right track.  because the experience was so powerful, they have lots of motivation.  preaching about doing the right thing and how they  are going to change their lives is common afterwards.  

even though their will is so very strong at first, it fades w/ the memory of the actual experience.  the memory of having an experience stays though, usually.  i think this is why there is the 'left over talk'.  they remember that there was some great occurence that had such an impact.  enough where they started talking about dramatically changing their lives.  the details get fuzzy though and the validity starts to get questioned.

because of all of the distraction of daily life, everything gets forgotten and it's so easy to go right back to what was going on beforehand.

also i think deep down everyone feels that enlightenment is the path to be on.  even if they don't realize they feel that way.  kind of like a true colors shining through type of thing.  

why people procrastinate and act in ways that are't in accordance w/ their beliefs is something i've always wanted the answer to.  i think it's a bigger deal than it seems when someone feels one way about something and then acts in an opposing manner.  it happens all of the time.  maybe it's mostly out of laziness.

down here?

hey john.  i don't know if i can say for sure whether or not your head has to vibrate too.   it definetly has to be relaxed though.  most people usually have their center of awareness right between their eyes, and around their face.  i guess it's because this is where most of your sense are.  the more awareness you have in a certain area, the less likely it will be relaxed.

it seems you are making some really good progress.  keep at it. as an excersize, try and make the vibrations move yourself instead of waiting for them to spread.  you may be able to spread them to any part you want.  if your head is actually tensed up a bit, you may be able to kind of force the relaxation by moving the vibrations.  i always thought it was hard to not be relaxed when i started to feel them.

are you using the rope?  it's a very good way to kind of bull your way  right through everything.  if you create a strong sensation w/ it you should be able to pull your whole body right into some heavy vibrations.  

hey fyrenze.  when you say  you had a teacher, are you referring to school or a spiritual teacher?

how much time do you spend meditating during the day and what kind of tek's are you using?  what have you had the most sucess w/?  

it doens't sound like you've made much progress in the time that you've spent, if you are still tense when you are done your session.  what do you think your biggest problem is?

a few times when i hit walls in my progress i found that a break actually helped tremendously.  i took off for about a month or so and when i came back i felt more energized mentally.  very refreshed.

do you have time for a retreat?  it's really something.  the atmosphere alone helps clear your mind.

i agree w/ timeless about the yoga.  it was never really something i got into but it would probably help steady your mind, since you are having some difficulty clearing it.  then maybe you could go onto something else.  it's not uncommon though for someone to spend years trying to attain a state of complete mental silence/clarity.  

i spent about four years taking aikido.  it was one of my favorite martial arts.  unfortunately it was before i got into any meditation or energy work.  i would have liked to have tried and combine them like i believe they should be now.  have fun w/ it.

thnx timeless.  that was kick-butt.

i've had the same problem.   actually i still have it but it's not as pronounced.  it used to comletley stop all of my trance work.  i decided that i wasn't going to be able to progress until my focus was very strong.  i guess i went about it the hard way.  

i just kept meditating every day until i could concentrate on one thing w/out distraction.  until no other thoughts came into my mind.  i used the fact that i wasn't able to even enter into trance, as my fuel for my meditation, and it worked well.

i've never been able to be aware of my breathing w/out having it altered in some way.  it seems every time i am aware of it i change it slightly and can't settle into my natural rhythm.  sometimes the change was so slight that i thought i was breathing correctly.  i ended up in the same spot for hours not making any progress, still unable to reach a trance state.  

i also used to get tense upon exit.  it stopped me every time.  just keep hacking at the problem.  you will get past it and be glad you didn't give up.  it took me over six months to make any progress w/ this problem.  be very observant at all times.  you will start to notice small things that will make a difference.  

you could even try changing the position of your body.  i found that lying on the floor, instead of somethign comfortable like my bed, to help w/ my breathing.  

you'd rather someone explain it to you than look at two detailed sites that contain more concise information than i probably remember?

all you have to do is click.

reiki is a game.  it's similar to hopscoth except a watermelon is used in place of the rock that is thrown.  it's not really played too much anymore because of the cost of the watermelons. (they break after the first throw) fortunately for the members of this forum, robert bruce has decided to take some of the proceeds from his book and sponsor our 'astral pulse reiki team'.  honestly, i don't know how he can afford to keep buying these watermelons.  

it's all there at those sites i've listed.

hello buddy

leading by example is a good way to do things.  

i suppose there could be some research done on this to prove it out.  maybe there was already some done.  

there are things that are alright for you to do, but not for your child.  usually these things you don't do in front of your child.  drugs, cursing.  you don't want them to see that it's alright to do these things even though you may feel it's fine for you to.  

they view your actions and act accordingly. they do what we do. this doesn't just apply to children.  all over the world people mimic each other.  sometimes not even realizing it at the time.   have you ever done the yawning bit to someone?  making sure you are in someone elses sight, even their peripheals, you yawn.  even if the other person isn't tired, there is a very good chance they will also yawn.  this works very well if you are already speaking w/ someone and there aren't many other distractions around.  just seeing violence, feeds violence.  in this sense it would be more sub-consciously, but we all know how powerful the sub is.

children are too young to understand any reason why it would be alright for you to hit them, but not alright for them to hit another.   if such a reason even exists.   its contradicting to see them be hit, and then get yelled at when they do it.  

to consistently experience pain will lead to unhappiness.  in a lot of cases i would say it will also lead to anger.  even after the moment of pain, there will be reflection.  it makes sense that if someone were more happy they would be less violent, less angry.

hitting children shows them that you can solve a problem w/ violence, even if you are telling them otherwise.  they get hit until they do what you are telling them to do.  if it works for you, it should work for them, right?  maybe they won't do it in front of you because of the punishement involved, but as soon as you take that punishment away, there is nothing stopping it from happening.  

people refrain from doing certain things because they will be punished.  not because they are wrong.  the reason for laws.  until they can tell the difference between right and wrong, for themselves, the only things stopping them from being violent is violence.

good job rodent.  i also believe that consciousness is god.  nothing else exists but god.  god is existence is consciousness.

only one consciousness exists.  i believe that and have seen it for myself before.  unfortunately the experience ended and i'm only left w/ a memory.  i believe the people that can control that experience, and constantly 'see' that, are enlightened.

i also think that one day all beings will 'see it' and there will be some universal oneness.  that's probably going to be kick-butt.

i don't really have an opinion on that, sir.

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i have definetly read about both.  i'm sure people have had success w/ either way.  i rememeber reading a post here a while back about different angles.  unfortunately i don't remember what it was titled.  

if you feel more comfortable focusing on one point than another, then just keep doing it until you feel otherwise.  let us know how it turns out.

a strong bond - if you want to argue/knitpick over the definition of argument and debate, then maybe one of those rooms you suggested is the place for you.  would you have commented if this topic was called 'let's debate' ?  you can see we are all being civil about this.  who cares if i titled it let's argue instead?  it was just marketing.  an argument is juicy.  people are attracted to them.  if you would have looked at this thread and not seen the title, there would be no problem.

i enjoy it when people comment just to make themselves look better/smarter than everyone else and end up making themselves look like an butt.  if you want to debate this, let me know.  i'm very interested in hearing what you have to say.  or, you could just not comment here anymore.  that way you can pretend like you didn't read this.

psy - i must have skipped over the part that said you were in favor of assisted suicide.  i would write another post taking up the opposition now, but now that i've already made  a statement, i don't know how much sense that would make.  i will do it though, if you like

lsd doesn't affect your body, only your mind.  there is no 'breaking down'.  i am not a doctor and haven't done any extensive research on this stuff but i don't think anyone else here is/has either.  i only speak from experience and that's a better place to speak from than anywhere.  

you wouldn't have to slip into a coma to become trapped in some place while you were tripping.  you get to experience time being an illusion and have the oppurtunity to spend an eternity wherever you like.  enough introspection will get you through any one of those 'hellish experiences'.  as soon as you find out that what you are trapped in or fearing is actually a part of you and that you produced it, everything is fine.

hello mr incognito.  we're having some trouble telling the difference between a dream and oobe around here.

a reality check is something you do when dreaming or when projected to test whether or not you are in the physical dimension.  trying to turn on or off lightswitches is  usually a pretty reliable reality check.  if the lightswitch doesn't work, you know you are dreaming/projected.  light levels are hard to alter while dreaming.  it doesn't work for everyone though.

you said you couldn't get the switch to move.  that makes me think you were oob and in the next closest dimension to the physical.  it's called the 'real time zone'.  it's a close replica to the actual physical dimension.  you can move through all physical matter while in this zone.  usually you can't effect the physical while oob.  this would make sense in your case.  

there is a lot of information on this site.  you shouldn't need to go anywhere else.  except maybe to the bookstore to buy 'astral dynamics' by robert bruce.  if you are serious about projecting you want to get that book.  mostly everyone here that contributes to the forum has read it and most of the answers you will get here will come from it.  robert did a really great job writing it and it's the best book on the subject available.

you don't have to read the entire book to get started.  there are practices about a third of the way through that you can start doing immediately.  they only take about fifteen minutes a day to do and you will see results fast.  there are also a bunch of treatises that you can access from the main page here.  if you have more questions after reading them try doing a search.  we've already covered many topics on here.  most of them are for beginners, mostly all of us are.

welcome to the site.

and you probably already know about this website www.aeb.org , which has nothing at all to do w/ lucid dreaming.  


welcome to the site.

mirador, you ahve to be kidding.  i'm almost convinced of it now.  all of your posts have to be meant just to rustle some feathers.  

if it's attention you want i guess you are going about it the right way.  it's easier to get attention when you aren't saying anything important but instead just saying things that are unintelligent to make people mad and react.  maybe a shirt that says 'look at me' would do you some good.

psy, if you've already tripped and think you can handle yourself i don't see any problem w/ what you are doing.  some would think what i'm saying is a bit bold but i don't think i should hold back anything because i dont know you and you aren't sitting right next to me.  if i saw you somewhere and we were talking face to face i would tell you the same.  

you can't control your trip anyway.  you know that upon ingesting the stuff.  when you try and control it is where things start to get bad.  as long as you know you are in for a ride and are ok w/ it, then go w/ it.  i always felt that being totally alright w/ losing control put you more in control than you ever could be.  

timothy leary wrote some good books on all kinds of psychedelic stuff.   if you haven't read them yet, they are recommended.  they would maybe make for  a better time while you were there.

i think the difference is that the people on this forum are open to having their beliefs changed.  some come here looking for guidance or ever for a change of belief.  w/ someone that you care about that is already set in their ways, it's hard to know whether or not a good arguing would be appreciated.

mirador, i can't tell if you are serious or not w/ all of these posts but i like them all.  anyone who talks excrement, blatantly makes an butt of themselves and doesn't care continously is alright w/ me.  it would be nice though if i could argue w/ you but you never say anything that makes any sense.  it also would be awesome if you really were this very smart person you are portraying yourself to be, and still acting like an butt, but i doubt it.  i would post excrement like that for fun all of the time if i didn't think i would eventually get banned from this site.  why don't you keep doing it and see if you get banned?

strwrs, i didn't know that they found life on mars.  that's really great.  for the record i do believe life exists outside our planet, but i will stick to my argument.

psypunk, that's a good topic but i don't know how good of an argument anyone can come up w/ opposing being in favor of assisted suicide.  that's probably me being overly confident though.  

a friend of mine once told me about a book he was reading on samauri's.  he said they used to kill theirselves when their time had come.  they woudl just kneel down and stab themselves in the stomach w/ their sword.  i think that is one of the most bad butt things i've ever heard.  

most people think that killing is wrong.  i believe that most of the people that say assisted suicide is wrong are only doing so because it's so easy to take a stand on it.  they have so many people to back them up.  half of them would probably change their mind if they sat down and thought it through.  

i'm not going to use the excuse about people who are suffering in pain would be better off, blah blah blah.  i think it's more of a - if you are sane, prepared for death and decide it's time to go, that you shoudl be able to do so.'  almost nobody is prepared for death.  almost nobody gets to choose when they move on.  bringing as much awareness as you can into dying is important.  you have a better chance at doing that if you choose when it will happen.  

if i'm not missing anything, all assisted suicides are due to the person being unable to carry this out themselves because of some physical condition.  if they could, they would.  

another good point would be that both parties involved are consenting to do this.  there isn't any 'wrong involved' until some outside party decides to call it that.  

also, i don't feel that you can make a firm opposition unless you've been in the situation yourself.  you can imagine all you like but first person perspective would really be something else.  everything takes on a different perspective when you are  the one experiencing it.  

and my last point which is impossible to counter:  if assisted suicide wasn't ok, god wouldn't allow it to happen.

i'm not as curious as i used to be about this.  when i have mastered one of them or am able to fully remember either consistently, then i will start to worry about the differences.  

you can't really put any definitions on consciousness.  can we really seperate any experience we have from the one we're having now?
there seems to be a want for a clearly defined astral projection or lucid dreaming experience when there can never be.  you may be able to just as easly ask the questions : 'is experience, experience?' or 'what is experience?'.

hey guys, i believe you are all pretty young right?  take this thread and save it to disk.  store the disk away until you are about twenty or so.  when you are older and read it you will laugh your asses off.  even though this stuff is getting old on the forum, it's still kinda priceless.  this is the equavilant to your parents filming you fighting over a toy when you were five.
have fun

hey going.  thnx for sharing.  anyone who's had a bad time in the astral knows all too well how much expectance plays in it.  when you were shining the white light on there do you feel that you were actually expecting it to work, or more hoping?  

it's easier to genuinely expect something bad to happen in a situation like that than something good.  you can think that something good is going to happen but that's not the same.  

i always thought cats could see into other dimensions that we could not. maybe your energy body was more expanded and your cat could pick up on it somehow.  maybe she was playing w/ you.  maybe now you'll be her new 'energy toy.