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Yeah, I have read some conflicting info re the high tier Astral realm being of very high vibration and where the Divine layer also resides. I have also read that the Divine and Angelic realm is above the high Astral.

To me it doesn't matter much how we label them, as long as we experience them. 

This astral projector maps out his view of the Astral Plane and the Higher planes, such as the Causal and Mental Plane. Many call them different names. Another that maps out the different layers is Kurt Leland. If I had to lean one way, I say the Divine lies above the Astral Plane, due to how different it feels there.

Also, when I project to the Astral I am a participant and often initiate the activity. With a Divine experience, the majority of the time, I  feel called upon as if I am summonsed to a particular location or experience. As mentioned, it can also occur in very close proximity to the physical realm. There are exceptions to this as a very profound Divine experience I had was clearly initiated by me. Divine experiences have a very different feel to them. Just my experiences of course, as others may be quite different.

Astral projection can be a path to God, but with effort and passing tests first...

Therefore, it's essential to practice the Universe's fundamental principles daily, so when projecting, one can access higher planes without distractions.

When you have astral experiences and find the Divine, you'll have no doubts because it'll be a direct experience. I believe we doubt what we think, but not what we experience. It's like saying I'm hungry and doubting if I'm really hungry or just imagining it. Through direct experience, doubts vanish. Moreover, in those altered states, the mind is free from human conditioning, allowing observation from a superior perspective. No doubts remain about the experience's authenticity, feeling more real than anything experienced on Earth, making this life seem like a distant dream. Trust your intuition; the heart doesn't lie.

As I understand it, the Divine is experienced beyond the astral, in the higher realms.

Tak, I have quoted some of your points that are aligned with my experiences. Of course my future experiences could change my thoughts.

Yes, if the Divine is accessed in the AP, then I would agree it's at the highest tier and of very high vibration. I have experienced the Divine in this realm, and it feels different, so it almost feels like its own realm, but as stated maybe it's just the highest tier of the AP? Or as I mentioned previously, perhaps the Divine is in its own realm/plane. I have also had a very unique Divine experience that feels like a bubble of the spiritual plane that had come to me (if that makes any sense). It felt as if in very close proximity to the physical, and was almost an overlay by the spiritual. I felt like I didn't go far at all. Then there are the meditation/trance experiences and lastly full waking experiences.

So my conclusion is: the Divine can be accesses in many different ways and locals, however the common denominator is always unconditional love, comfort, peace and a sincere feeling of such a high form of acceptance that it promotes a oneness state. It is truly a state of bliss, that you would rather not leave.

Lastly, your comment about "it makes this life feel like a dream". I can't tell you how true that is with me. I had a projection where I encountered a loved one and my waking awareness was so high I began questioning if the realm I projected in was the "real realm" and the physical realm was the dream or illusion, where the loved one died. I logically tried to analyze the matter at great length during the projection. While in the AP, the thought of going back to the physical realm was very emotional and sad. Then you know, yes realer than real, and very moving.

When experiencing the Divine in the non physical realm, whatever realm it is, the location feels a bit different than a typical Astral Projection. Is it another realm or is it the heightened feelings experienced that makes one think/feel it is in another realm? Not sure, but it is a very unique experience nonetheless.

Glad you like the video Tides. Your encounter with the woman is interesting. The multiverse is no doubt a very deep subject. I have projected back in time on a few occasions. On one occasion though, my experience was not only appeared back in time but also felt  as if I was witnessing another "path" of my being. It was a new twist and was fascinating to experience. This was my experience that occurred in Greece/Bulgaria which I have posted about previously.

Now let's throw in how the philosophy of the mind relates to Quantum Mechanics/Multiverse  theory...

[Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.This is the first and great commandment.And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.]

Astral Projection is totally unrelated to mysticism or mystical experiences, and cannot help you in your quest. God, Source, The Divine is experienced in the Heart, not in the Astral or anywhere else, and true mystics know this absolutely. For example, the person who came to be known as Jesus was, among many other attributes, a true Mystic. To quote him in this context:

Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

The emphasis is always therefore on Love, and not any metaphysical ability such as Astral Projection. Astral projection is valuable for many reasons, but knowing God through Love is not one of them.

So very true Adrian. One of my most profound Divine experiences is exactly what you describe. It did not take place in the Astral. Love initiated the experience, the involvement of the heart was without question. Your words are very accurate, and reassuring as I reflect on my experience.

These experiences appear to either take place in in the physical realm (while meditating, in trance, or in a normal waking state, or they take place in a realm which is very different than the Astral. When they occur in the non physical, one of the main things I noted when these occurrences happen is "where was I, where did this experience take place?" I know, it was not here, and was in a realm of very high vibration. 

When I have encountered the Divine you just "know" it is not a figment of your imagination, a mere dream, a reach, the power of suggestion or a thought form. It is just too moving, too euphoric/blissful, too life altering, too beautiful, peaceful and so filled with unconditional love that you overwhelmingly know you have experienced the Divine. These words are difficult to affix to emotions that are not possible in this physical world. They are far beyond it. All that is experienced while in the presence of the Divine (for me) always accompanies a waking awareness that is extremely high, despite the overwhelming emotions that accompany it. I was not remotely afraid while in the presence of the Divine, in fact quite the opposite. It brings a feeling of complete contentness, happiness, and the feeling of being totally accepted. Fear is just not part of the equation in such a presence.

Here is a good one from The Why Files regarding Parallel Universe theory.

From my perspective, the direct method of impressing and engaging the imagination/visualisation while entering the sleep state at night can be highly effective as it much more fully engages the infinitely powerful subconscious mind, which will always respond with the desired experience. The use of imagination while entering the sleep state is equally valuable for experiencing almost any desired experience, in particular for healing.

Absolutely agree with Adrian here. This was the key to me gaining control of triggering my projections. I notice though between my motion activity and the click out/phase there is a brief "state of no mind". This state has me referring it by "where was I for the last few minutes, I was completely absent of thought". It's a fine line between asleep and this state. Sometimes I'm not sure if I actually fell lightly asleep, or entered a trance state. The lines blur here. Very void-like, but not the void. Then I suddenly phase with lots of energy running through my body. It's all very exhilarating. The key, for me, was to do this at night while falling asleep.

I was doing some research today on the meaning of "The Kingdom of God lies within us" and came across this passage from a Greek Orthodox Church. It's basically saying humankind's third eye closed when "Man Fell". Pretty fascinating as the pre-Fall state of humankind (as described by the Orthodox Church) appears so similar to the way spiritual circles continue to look and see things, namely the spirit world, the Divine, and perhaps glimpses of God beyond... all beyond the veil.

I find it interesting how this Church talks about the human condition at one point in time had  individualistic Divine experiences that were clearly metaphysical, which many of us on this path experience today.

The Eye Of The Spirit

"The purpose of the spirit, as its manifestation show, is to keep man in contact with God and with the divine order of things, independently of all the visible phenomena that surround and flow past him. To be able properly to fulfill such a purpose, the spirit must be naturally endowed with knowledge of God and of the divine order, together with the sense of a more blessed form of existence, which shows itself in a lack of contentment with all things material. This spiritual vision existed, one must suppose, in the first man until the Fall. His spirit clearly saw God and all things divine--as clearly as with normal eyes we today see an object before us. But after the Fall the eyes of the spirit were closed, and man no longer saw what it was natural for him to see. The spirit itself remains and has eyes--but they are closed. Its condition is like that of a man whose eyelids have become stuck together. The eye is intact, it thirsts for light, it longs to see the light, feeling that the lights exists; but the eyelids, being stuck together, do not allow the eye to open and to enter into direct contact with the light. Such is obviously the condition of the spirit in man since the Fall. Man has tried to replace the sight of the spirit by the sight of the mind, by abstract mental constructions, by ideologies; but this has always been without results, as we can see from all the metaphysical theories of the philosophers."

Link to the complete article:
https://saintandrewgoc.org/blog/2012/12/6/the-kingdom-within-us.html

Those sound like wonderful churches and a positive environment. I have not turned my back on my religion, the Church or its traditions. I still refer and abide by principles in the Bible, but now I have heavily supplemented it with my spiritual beliefs and path.

All the years I have gone to Church (when young every Sunday, then maybe 5x a year then less and less reserving it to major Holidays) I felt good when leaving church, as the energy was positive. But... no matter how often I prayed I never felt a strong connection to God or the Divine, nor got a sign that God was close or listening. Until I looked inward, and now I have lost track of how many Divine encounters I have had. It's interesting how the church, particularly the Catholic Church, (I am an Eastern Orthodox Christian) says that "individual development and contact" to God and the Divine is permitted by a select few on the upper tier of the Church Clergy (the Pope, Bishops, Cardinals etc...) But... if we mere mortals look within and develop our own spiritual connection with God and the Divine, it's the work of the Devil. The church's  (particularly the Catholic Church's)  "only we can have contact with the Divine" belief has the appearance that the Ego has crept in to cloud the waters. To me, they appear to be controlling the masses (church followers) with fear.

Note though, I have met some excellent Priests in my Orthodox Church that clearly evolved their thinking, beliefs and had an open mind far beyond the above restrictive stance. Though one particular priest that I was very impressed with moved two hours away to another church, I would love to pay him a visit to discuss all that I have experienced. It's on my to do list at some point.

I agree Adrian. I always said, if people could see their own and other's light body/soul emanating from within, perhaps people would show more empathy to one another. I equate this to a road rager who uses his vessel (the vehicle) as a buffer to act in a manner that is highly inappropriate. People are stuck in the belief that they are not more than their physical bodies. This even applies to so called church goers (false prophets) who go to church every Sunday, then exit into the world not practicing what they have been preached. Some of these types can be the worst and most dangerous encountered. Instead of the vehicle scenario, it is their physical body that becomes their vessel to act terribly in.  Sometimes the church backdrop is used to bring (false) credibility to some that are unscrupulous.

One of the worst people I have ever encountered in this physical world was a member of the church clergy. He was not from my church thankfully. A complete fraud and as dark a soul as I have ever experienced. Truly a soul in its infancy of spiritual evolution. He saw the light in me and we clashed terribly. I exposed him for what he truly was and protected many. This was also a catalyst (though a subset) to my steep spiritual assent. As a side note, I don't go to church much these days. My path has taken a bit of a turn as I focus within, and develop my own individual connection with the God and the Divine. Thus far, I have found this path very rewarding.

I consider myself just as scientific, analytical and logical as I am creative, imaginative and empathetic/in touch with my emotions. If I had to pick a very slight dominance I would lean just a touch more to the analytical. However, I can't imagine many seeing pink and white in that photo. They are there, but you really have to look for them. That's clearly the logical side of me talking. Lol I tend to access the side of my brain needed at the time. When I need logic, I'm there, when I need to be creative I am also there. I like to design things... The problem is when I design things and merge into the analytical I can't make up my mind, which is called analysis paralysis. 🙂

Great episode of the Why Files.

I can't believe I am a sucker for many of those mandalla effects.
Like, "Mirror mirror on the wall"
Or the monopoly man with a monocle.

Yes, what is the difference between Gods plan and living in a simulation? Great question.

The UB seems to elaborate on this with a type of hierarchy that blows my mind. I don't understand it.

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Per y'alls conversation... I wonder if these great masters that could dissimilate their physical bodies by will figured out some way out of the simulation.

I also recall a story of a guru who told his followers to be vegetarian. The followers were shocked when their guru was eating meat. To make them feel assured he proceeded to eat a bowl of nuts and bolts and was unharmed. He explained to his disciples that the material he consumed didn't matter, and that he was there helping them understand the nature of 'reality.'

Babaji could teleport his followers and even create imagery by thought alone.

I suppose I agreed to participate in all of this to some extent, but I do feel there is a higher intelligence- whoever/whatever is helping me break free from the simulation, gradually... and most assuredly.

I also recall stories of monks who could levitate, communicate via telepathy, interact with inter-dimensional beings and survive off nothing but a green elixir.

There's more for us to discover~

Glad you enjoyed the video Tides. I think most of us fall victim to the Mandela Effect. The simulation theory does mess with my head a bit. As far as God's relationship to the simulation. It doesn't have to be entirely conflicting. To help I consider it an "organic simulation". I believe LB stated that despite the simulation our true self is a living spirit/soul. This helps me integrate these concepts into the bigger picture.

Here is a great documentary for you Adrian (if you have Netflix)... The Remarkable Life Of ibelin. Trailer linked below. Some spiritual aspects in this documentary. It's just an amazing story. As LB told me, he lived a 1000 lifetimes in 1 life here on the Earth. I agree, quality movies are getting harder to come by. Mindless action does nothing for me. It's  all about the story, the characters, and the plot. I love sci-fi as well, all the ones you mentioned. My son is huge Star Wars fan...

These stories are all true, and we all have the same abilities within us and much more even beyond human comprehension. The difference between the Yogi's, Tibetan Monks and others like them is that they largely isolated themselves or completely disengaged from the dream/drama of the world as a whole, focussing within instead.

As I mentioned in a previous post, no food or anything else in this world can harm us unless we believe it can, which is why we should avoid placing negative beliefs in the mind of others, lest it becomes self fulfilling.

I very much agree with "focusing within instead" concept. If nothing can hurt us with the power of our mind, then why do many advanced spiritual people die at such young ages? So if I feel I will never get cancer and if I do it will not hurt me? Unfortunately (I feel) this is not the case. I don't know, life is all about balance, and taking precautions to make us healthier, which in turn gives us optimal health to pursue our spiritual quest seems prudent to me. I pretty much agree with LB's stance on this. I really enjoy spirituality and some religious aspects as well, as many other things and hobbies in life, but I try to keep my spiritual quest in a perspective of logical and in reasonable balance, if that makes sense. I believe in the power of positive thinking, and the like attracts like theory. I also believe in the power of the mind to not let people harm our inner self and soul as this can be a powerful tool in this often heavy world. But... there are limits in my opinion to things that our beyond our control. Positive thinking never hurts, but taking precautions doesn't hurt either. I think extreme views as with anything, can be counterproductive... but that is just me. Everyone is free to think they way that best resonates with them.

I would agree that YouTube can be alarmist at times (with rating motives being a byproduct), but it can also educate. Though the video I posted may have an element of fear in it, the facts are accurate and it is also very informative and cuts to the chase. I don't believe I was being alarmist, but trying to inform and be helpful to members here. I hope I am not part of the alarmist equation and you are mainly referring to the particular YouTube video. Perhaps I should have chosen a more laid back video? I liked the one I posted though because he discussed the deleterious effects of fluoride in the pineal gland. I'm relatively new on these forums, but have lots of experience posting on other types of forums. Here there seems to be an etiquette that I'm somewhat unfamiliar with. I have noted to be more careful here, as spiritual forums can be a bit sensitive to certain topics.

As far as exposure to the heaviness of life... I do not watch news anymore. I stopped watching when my steep spiritual ascent started. I also stopped watching politics. Yes, no matter which brainwashed camp people are in, it's all about money, greed and power. They focus on helping their "select groups of people" but not the masses of humanity. It's rather sickening. The truth lies in the middle, the problem is, there is no middle. Being engulfed in politics is incredibly damaging to spirit and the soul and I literally feel physically sick when discussing it too much. Professional sports also is a huge turn off for me, other than the individual self growth sports I participate in.

I will not ban movies from my life. It's once again a balance thing. Horror or excessively violent movies I can no longer tolerate. Other movies, no problem as movies and the technology associated with them has always been a hobby of mine. I am not going to avoid video games either. The horror type, yes, but not the other ones. Have been gaming since I was very young. My son is a borderline pro eSports gamer, and we have had countless great times gaming together. It has not influenced him poorly in the least, as he is a very nice young man, with a very far along soul. Though I do not discount the fact that it may harm some people that have a weak moral character foundation and perhaps a soul that is in its infancy.

Disclaimer: this is just my personal thoughts and I'm not trying to influence anybody's views on these topics. 😉

An interesting video from The Why Files on Simulation Theory:

I fully understand and see your point Adrian. I definitely don't want to upset people either.

While I understand your point Adrian, no matter how spiritual I am, if I drink alcohol everyday or smoke cigarettes I am putting myself at risk for liver failure or lung cancer. I believe it's best to have the positive mindset from spirit, but also to take precautions to avoid toxins (which are prevalent) in the world we live in today. As you mentioned, this includes water, air, food etc...I agree that there is no reason to panic or be alarmist about it, but I would encourage people to be proactive vs complacent.

As you mentioned, water varies in quality from community to community. Everyone can access their town or city water analysis that is taken every year so you can see where you stand re risks. In my case there was significant amounts of Chromium-6 in my town water. This is what pushed me to get the RO system. Otherwise it's bottled water, but then there is the micro plastics issue. If you buy bottled water, of course glass is best, while second best being the clear hard plastic containers  (1 gallon size) as is an option for Poland Springs or Crystal Geyser. I would avoid the hazy soft plastic water gallon containers or the soft small bottles.

The channel above that I linked is excellent, where he does not go into great scientific analysis with nutrition details, but instead he gives actual food brand suggestions at various stores, such as Target, BJs, Trader Joe's, Whole Foods etc...

Traveler, that does seem like a Remote Viewing event.

Hi Adrian, yeah I agree, fluoride is a major concern. Fluoride in toothpaste and water is an awful thing. Thankfully there are options. Fluoride free toothpastes such as the brand "hello"  are excellent. I also have an under the sink Reverse Osmosis (RO) system and it's great. Very fast and efficient unlike the models from years ago. I would recommend those that get an RO system add the mineral cartridge if it's an option. This introduces calcium minerals back into the water which improves taste plus it adds some total dissolved solids (TDS) back into the water and boosts alkalinity. This also prevents damage to coffee machines, especially if they are higher end and pricey. I would also recommend an additional VOC (PFOA/PFOS) filter if it's an option. Even without the added filter RO does a good job removing these contaminants, but the optional filter just does it better.The RO system also remove micro plastics, which is an entirely different concern as reports now point to these particles causing dementia. RO machines also come in counter top options for those that don't want to go through the installation process of under the sink models. I can't stress the importance of pure water enough.

Think Fluoride in our drinking water is good for us? Think again!
It's awful for us and greatly harms our spiritual growth (third eye) as well.

Traveler, I have not used any apps before, interesting that it invoked those images. I do wonder if it's hypnogogic imagery vs Geometric imagery with a deeper purpose? Keep us posted how it develops.

I hope my thoughts here are not deviating from the OP, I believe they are in line with your intention.

Something very curious to me...
Not necessarily the geometric shapes but, the use of Light as Language.

I believe Spirit can acknowledge us by any means necessary. Sacred Geometry is one such avenue to direct communication with One "on most high."...

And I may go so far as saying that color itself can be a unique personality/intelligence. Is it a folly to assume angels have a human like appearance? Could there be a higher intelligence that our limited faculties can only interpret...

That connection with "On high" is using color as a means of communication...

Light language is a very fitting concept. We can say it is communication to the Angelic Realms. But I believe ultimately its importance is in establishing direct communication with God.

I agree Tides! Sacred Geometry and its subset Light Language is part of this and is a form of communication, enlightenment and advancing us spiritually. But... we have to be at a certain level of light to have this available to us. Once it is available, oh my, what a show and experience! I believe the Angelic realm is very much involved, as well as God. The experiences I have had that followed the energy surges and Geometric images point to that, where it is beyond mere intuition. The projection that followed the Geometric images had continuing significant euphoric energy, which I find of importance.

Hi LB. Yeah, I feel like this topic is often overlooked. I have seen my share of vortexes and portals. Sometimes I am not brave enough to hop into them. Lol
With time, I'm sure it will become second nature. I have also seen the spinning galaxies, which I have discussed on my dedicated Energy Surges thread. The galaxies spinning with such realism is such a beautiful sight and feels as if it has a very deep meaning. As if to tell us to look at the splendor and bigger picture of things, and not to get lost in small details. This is the feeling I took from it.