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The video to the song "Whip it" by Devo has to be one of the
strangest things ever....

I think there might be soemthing to prayer actaully, would be fun with some more ideas from al of you!

Hey Mobius-
I loked at the link and did some test..
Her´s the result:

Your total score is 2
What does your score mean?
5 or less = Normal range
6-11 = Somewhat distressed
12 or more = High psychological distress

Seems like I´m happier then most,ey?
(or perhaps the test wast just plain stupid)

Cheers!

I did some more thinking about the meaning of life...
If it was only to reach higer spiritual development in the sense
of knowledge and experienece in the metaphysical field, then why
choos to do this work in a physical body? -  would it not seem easier
to do this work with the astral body only?

I am starting to belive quite strongly that we who are incarnated are here for the reason of playing our roles in lifes rich pagens..
We should play the roles we are given as humans- and thus take an interest in the things that humans should take an interest in.

I´m not saying that spiritual development is a negative thing- on
the contrar- but it´s probably only to give an extra dimension to life.

I have spent the last four years in solitude withdrawn from life with my occult books... and yes I have learnd alot- but I see to that I have missed out on many of those things that the average person has done. In my case, the metaphysicall studies where alomust like an obsession.

Tia- you are certainly right! it´s always good to analyse those thoughts and see if they have any truth to them- but I guess at the moment someone who feels alone might find little you in the thought that he might not be alone in one year or so...

Sometimes I almoust think that depressions can come as a way of driving out booredome.. just as a change in the monotony of life...

Qui-Richard!  Oh, yes- I am a proud dweller of the city of Lund! I really love both the town and the university- and we have swedens leading theology institution.
Sad thing you don´t live in Malmö any more.. I was thinking that we
should meet in person sometime, but that will be hard now.

I have thought about the possibility of life having the single purpous to develope spiritual- but the again - to what end?

And ewery man and every woman is a star, thus having there own true wills to fulfill.

Hey Qui-Richard!

I have to ask again- You don´t live in Malmo anymore?

I agree to a certain point with your thoughts! Happynes HAS to come
from within. Materail things cannot make anybody happy- of course,
the lack of necessary material things like a roof and food can make
you unhappy, but that´s another thing.

I think though that everybody needs a reason to live. I feel that many of the things I do lack intrisical (self) value. Most things in life are just tools, education is a tool, mony is a tool.. all those
things are not enough to build a life on. There has to be something beneath with more deapth to give a meaning to life.

I have come to the conclusion that life has to have a point, and that that point has to have something to do with living. The tools are not the point... I don´t belive that asketism is that pont either- because, if world denial was the point- why incarnate?

My intuitive feeling is that in a way the consept about starting a family might be the thing that gives meaning to a life. Of course all people are different - everey man and every woman is a star- and have there own orbits and goals... but for me the rest seems like tools.
Of course spiritual development has a self value too! But I still think it has to be mixed with a "real life" goal.

Thanks for your ideas!

Well, I guess the main reason that I get depressed is that I am
a single and live alone- and have been single for a wery long time.
It would be really good to have a girlfriend- someone to share the
ups and downs of life with. This is the main reason I gett depressed
sometimes.  

It´s not that I am depressed all the time- as I said before,usually I am a wery cheerfull and positive person.

The interesting thing was that these depressions come like a lightning from a blue sky sometimes- and hit quite hard.

Mobius- I will take a look at the link, Thanks!

Well, in normal life I guess people can be either way..

But walking the left hand path is a major issue. If you start to
walk the dark path it will end up in the disintegration of the mind in the end- the second death- and then you´ll have to start all over agian, and on the way have caused alot of evil and suffering.

Crolwley said that anybody who ever has done a dead for someone else without any personal gain, thus out of love or compassion, is NOT on the leaft hand path.

But when all is done out of egoism, it becomes really nasty and dangerous.

I think that people should try to do good in all situations.I think that the reason for suffering is egoism.

Somehow I think Di Leva would fitt in on this forum. He has to be the oddest guy around. I am actually wery slim to- I eat to little.

Well to ad to the discussion I would like to say that really, Aquarius is the only thing to be

Hey, Qui-Richard, You don´t live in malmo any more??
I thought you did...

Oopss.. sorry for squezing this non topic message in...

Hi Mobius!

My main objective against eateing meat is the cruelty to animlas
in the meat industry. I think it is wery horrible the way people
treat animals- as if they where any other production unit.
And well you and me seem to agree on that point.

I have seen a change in society that last years (at least here
ïn sweden). Vegetarian food is not considered that strange anymore.
Many stores sell "ekolokgicall" meat and diary products - it´s not wery much, but some years ago it didn´t even exist.

So people in general seem to start to think more about these issues, and many people, even if they ar meat eaters start to react on the
ways of the meat industry. This is very good- the only way to change
the market is to make the consumers change.

Hi !

My name is Felix, I´m 24 years old and live in the southern tip of Sweden ( the same cold country as Qui-Gon Jinn comes from). I am a universtity student, studying religionhistory/religion. I have always been interested in metaphysics and philosophy.

I share my apt with my dog, a seven years german shepard.

I spend alot of my free time out walking with the dog, bodybilding,
reading, meditating, or just listning to music- preferably ambient.
As many of us spiritual searchers I am a bit introspective and pretty quiet. Don´t like to have to many people around.

Lately I have spent far to much time on the internet- and I bet you can al guess why  VIVA LA forum!

I am vegetarian- but I do chees, milk and eggs.
I have a bad feeling about the soy food- I still eat
it and have to say that many things taste good, but
ther´s still a bad feeling about it.

I try to eat alot of fruit and vegetabeles...

I am going to the gym four times a week, and feel that the
veggi lifestyle is a bit difficult under when trying to build
the body- but hey, it´s a moral choise and I´ll stick to it.

Anybody has any good suggestions for "powerfull" veggi food???

Hi mate!

I hade the same problems in the begining, but after some practis it gets easier. I do the cirkling movement a bit wider then it should be-but better then not doing it at al i reckon...

I started out with moving the energy/awareness back and forth through my feet- the easist thing. And then after soem practice I actually slowly manage to controle it better and better.

I think it´s just a matter of practic- start by doing what you can and try to improve just a littel every time.

But I agree that it can be quite a trícky buissines sometimes.

Good luck!

Aleister Crowley said that one can get almost "hig" from eating alot
of oysters- because they are full of prana.. I have never tried.

I don´t know about the Prana thing- It was more of a question then a statement. I was just playing around with the thought. Anyway - even
someone who eats meat eats a vegetable every now and then don´t they?

I too eat alot of "dead" food, like pasta, bread, ris... But I try to
eat alot of fresh fruit and vegetables to, because it feels healthy.

I know that some magickians use fresh blood to draw energy from to be able to materialize different thought constructins and demons into existens.

I think that If you would cut of the electricity most people would get ALOT of problens with there food. The average city dweller is wery dependent on the industry and infrastructure.

I have relatives who live on the country and grow there own vegetables and foods. It´s not wery hard to grow vegi food.

It is harder to breed cattle.. because you have to have alot of things to feed  it with- and that will be grown on land that could be used to grow vegi food directly.

I have been vegetarian for quite a long time, and my father even longer, and non of us have ever eaten any vitamin pills.. and we are
still alive. I think its a myth that people have to eat all these pills- just a way for the industry to make money.
Good health comes from a varied diet.

If the NEW energy is a psi energy raised by the nervous system, would
this meen that any activity stimulating the nervous system raises the
energy level?  What about strong feelings of happines or sadness?
Would bodily physicall activity rais the psi energy too?

How dose one aply the raised psi energy to heal?

Actually- eating meat requiers ten times as much agriculrural land then eating plants. So If all people would start living on plants (and fish- to use what grows in the ocean) the amount of land needed for agriculture could be decreased.

I fully agree with Winged Wolf- thou should not eat what you cannot kill with your own hands- thats why I´m a vegetarian...

About the life energy of the things you eat (prana), I have
heard that eating living things (preferebly fresh animals, like
oysters), or rather things still containing life energy can be wery
benefitial. Would this not imply that a diet of fresh plants and vegetables should contain more life energy?

I now that fresh blood has been used in many rituals to suport the magickian with life energy to do different materialisations.

Hey !
I was out walking with a friend one day.. and all of a sudden he said
- I think I can se the molecules when I look at the sky.. or perhpas there is something wrong with my eyes...

He obviously saw the thing Mobius described.. and many others with him
- including me.

I kind of think that Mobius description is good- but the light dosn´t have to be that strong to se them.

As ALWAYS winged wolfe seems to have the best answer!
-Your quite a living dictionary wolifi!!, great to have you on the forum!

How long has it been going on for you Qui-Jinn?  
For me it has been this way as loong as I can remember ( which dosn´t have to be a wery loong time- but in this case I think it is..)

The feet seem to have a key role in it anyway. They are responding wery easily to NEW. Hm, reiki has to be recived from a reiki master?
I have seen numerous books on reiki that claim that you can teach yourselfe to use the reiki energy.

I think that the NEW energy generally is self developed, or drawn from some greater force- not that it should normaly been drawn from other living beeings...
My thought was this- might it not happen that some people drain others by accident?- because it seems to be a fact that you can drain others of there energy. I don´t think it is common- I rather belive that people who drain others do it totaly unconcious- they probably don´t even know that they are raising there energy.

People who are schooled in a real system probably run less of a risk to become psychic vampires- unless ofcourse they decide to become it.

Well having the goal not to have to eat as main goal might be a bit wierd.. but it would be one kind of a practicall side effect.

I would be happy to hear more ideas about what the NEW energy is and where it comes from. And what effect it has on the body...

Could the NEW energy be as effective for healing as the reiki energy?
What is the difference between reiki and NEW energy?

Dose raised NEW energy have a health effect on the body?

I too have seen sparks looking at the blue skye.....
Probably some fenomenon caused by the strong light and the
lack of things to focus on..
glad someone else has seen this too

Winged Wolf-

That is wery interesting! The way I read about the NEW energy in astral dynamics, I got the impression that the feet and the hands ar ports for taking in energy- but perhaps they only are theareas generating most energy.

Then what about reiki and other external energys?  Are they really external or in some way self generated? Wouldn´t it be better to use an outside energy then creating one one selfe?  After all the food we eat is also external energy we take in to sustain the body....

davsy-

Do you belive that it is possible to "breat in" energy? It would be
nice to hear something more about it. What kind of energy would this be? I know the indian breathing system called Prana Yama- it´s supposed to meen  "energy control" (prana=energy  Yama=control) ... some say that it is a way of breathing energy.

All the reports about people who actually live without eating any significant amount of food?  Would they all be lies?
I wouldn´t be surprised if they where, but hey- you never know..

I for one would love to be able to live without eating. Eating is teadious, time crawing and expensive. What a serious flaw of the creator to create us like this.

I am a vegetarian and have been that for as long as I can remember.
Even if it would turn out that living as a vegetarian would shorten the life span (which it dosn´t), I would still not start eating meat.
For me it´s a strickt moral issue.

Conserning the soy- There are different kinds of soy. Ther is the good old fashion one, and the gene modified. Well- so whats the differense you ask? They did not only change the genes of the new soya, but at the same time changed the amount of toxics allowed in it. Thus, the gene modified soya is allowed to have something like ten times as much toxics as the naturall one- pretty practicall, ey!?

I have heard that soya is un healthy too- might be because of this.
(and the dehydratation..)

It´s wery tought though to get enough good proteins as a vegetarian- specially if you are a body bilding or doing some other sport.

Hallo Richard! Nu är jag uppe sådär tidigt igen - kalla det en dålig vana.. och så har jag mycket att plugga- tenta på fredag.

Orbs??

I looked at the site and it didn´t impress me..
Those pictures are just fakes- and not even good ones.