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Yeah, I know Pagans aren't evil ( most aren't anyway ). I amde the statement after reading this quote:

quote:My mom's family attacked us with everything they could muster. Including magic. I finally moved away in 1999 after my baby died from a doctor's mistake.

Did I misread this? The whole black pagan clan I was referring to was based on this quote.

Gotta love Justice especially when someone has their hand tipping the scale. Have you ever thought about going higher than the local authorities, say a senator and telling them what the hell is going on (now that would take a lot of energy and I won't pass judgment if you say "no" you don't want to. I was gonna work in race relations ,remember, so I'm always in rebel mode [8D]).

If you actually have people helping you to make sure you don't have icky things in your aura that's awesome. That's probably the best you can do, and keep a lot of crystal and plant a lot of helping herbs come spring, especially lavendar. Do you smudge at all, especially with your own grown stuff?

quote:DK,

He is parasiting the channel you have opened to call down these neg entities into you. You must either protect yourself before you open a channel or you could recite this extreme purification if you sense him laching onto you again.

"PURIFICATUM CHRISTUM,
ST MICHEL ARCHANGELUM ARCHANGELUM,
ADJUVA MEUM,
ADJUVA TEUM,
IMMORTALIS CONJURATOR ET PECTORUM VERITUM ADJUTORIUM"

Recite this as many times as needed and also recite this forty times whilst taking salt baths as it is an extreme purification that works wonders. i use it all the time.

regards
posted by alchimiste in the Magic thread of the PSD forum

Bard and Alchimiste,

Alchimiste I humbly ask forgiveness for quoting you out of thread, but I thought this was excellent and I hope you don't mind. Bard, if you choose to do the Sacred bath I posted, you might want to add Alchimiste's suggestion as well.

Never occured to me that you might have to protect your own damn prayer [!]

Damn these bastards, nothing is sacred at all! Might also explain why the problems continue even with all the praying I do. Alchimiste, thanks, I'm recording your response someone place and plan on using it for future use.

Forgive my language, but I am really ticked, this SOB manipulates everything and I mean EVERYTHING, right down to the prayer!

Is the Creator self aware? I say yes, but you wouldn't believe my reasons...it has to do with a combination of things I've learned over the course of my attacks, the intervention that occured during my download, and a relaization that even chaos has it's own order.

Last I heard, there were 8 octaves, unless someone isn't counting 8D in which the soul returns to the Creator. Been a while since I studied this (damn problem with being attacked and trying to stay alive, life just kind of passes you by).

I get frequent headaches...like the one I got this morning.

Problem is, this is one case where I really don't know what is happening. She could have headaches and be bipolar or she could could also be under attack. Yeah, my perps manipulate my emotions, blocking some, filling me with others they want me to feel. It can alter or severely influence your perception of reality. I would advise finding someone who can AP and look about your girlfriend for any hooks or attachments, no point in freaking her in the event it really is just a medical thing. I would be cautious of happy pills, but I would check into headache medication. What is her diet like? Does she drink a lot of coffee, caffeine? If so, maybe cutting down would help.

I don't think you can evade Karma...I think maybe you can delay it for a while, only to pay everything in one lump sum. That must be a sight.

I can understand not wanting to go to court. It sounds like your boundaries haven't been supported or re-inforced, and yes you're right, you can't fight in court when you're boudnaries are weak. In court, you're already weakened boundaries are going to be challenged and probably wouldn't take the strain.

If at some point you have the strength, I think you should report your Mom's fraud to the police. If she's doing this to you, I can only imagine what she is doing to other people.

I don't think the spirit of any one is trying to get you, I think it's like what was mentioned in Dennings and Philips book, sometimes families, workplaces, groups of people can create their own, combined neg aura, that can attract God knows what (and hon, sounds to me you've had some black voodoo done to you...that's sarcasm I don't literally mean voodoo).

I am probably one of a few people on this site that can relate to the Money aspect. It's awful. I would suggest hematite, citrine, and black tourmaline. I don't know how comfortable you feel about ebay, but that's how I get most of my stones and I can find some really good deals.

You've got to heal yourself first, which is hard when you have kids you're trying to take care of...I would not tolerate crap like child welfare fraud, you should definitely report that to someone (so if they took the kids away where would they go? To foster care or grandma...that's sick).

To the rest of you guys reading this, I have one question...Bard goes to the cops to report the incident(s), the mom is arrested, what about the rest of the black pagan clan? Could there be retaliation? I only ask because after 5.5 years of attacks I have learned one harsh lesson...only tinkle off your attacker as far as you can recover from the retaliation.

Hey Bard, I mention this a lot on this forum, maybe you should also try salt baths using bath salt blessed with Holy Water (sorry, don't know if you belong to any particular religon). You may need to regularly "clean yourself" of anything that may be attached or tagged onto you (Your aura I mean). It's hard and it sucks but it does work and it's cheap (table salt will work just as well if you can't get the shi shi poo poo bath salts...poor man's bath, just like me).

Vin Thao? Vin, like the French word for wine? Thao, damn, I studeied Japanese not Vietnamese. I wouldn't know.

Tsotonwa

Ok, just read your bio, 22, male, Tech Support, ok.

How are you, and just several key questions:

1) Why do you think they're attacks (it's ok, it's not a problem of believing you, just wondering how this started and who could have started it)?
2) How are you now? Do you have or think you have the ability to feel your own emotions?
3) Are you an ET abductee (Note: you don't have to be for this to happen. Just asking if you have seen anything strange, experienced anything strange)?
4) What are you feeling inside yourself that might give you the feeling that you are being attacked (I'm taking specifics, like a concerted set of actions or thoughts that may not be yours, have you heard or sensed anything taunting you, etc. If you don't have the communication skills to express this at this time, it's OK).

You know, when you're depressed and feeling like you're being attacked it can be a tough experience dragging yourself to the computer and subjecting yourself to the judgement of others. It takes a lot of energy out of you, especially when you're juggling life necessary things like work, home, bills, family, etc.

You need support and it's hard to find support when people don't behave better than the people/whoever/whatever that are making your life a living hell.

But please come back and let us know how you're doing. It's not always a fight, and can be supportive. If the attacks can't be stopped, one thing is to understand what is being done to you...believe it or not it does help. it gives you coping skills to deal with what is happening to you, and sometimes takes the wind out of your attacker.

Whatever is happening, if your being attacked, or if your just an exceptionally strong telepath, you might be able to figure it out here.

The Creator gave life to a reality and all it's mechanisms and counter mechanisms and provided us with the faculties (mental, emotional, spiritual, and physical) to define a "reality" that we use to manuever through the mechanism. We are not "God" of it though.

Why?

Because my "reality" may be different than yours and at some point may clash. The clashing that takes place forces us to examine what is and is not valuable and what level of priority to assign each. Still there can be differences of opinion, and still you are not God of your reality.

The fact is this...all actions have consequences. If you choose to run away, walk away, consistently and non-stop, and do not take responsiblity for the consequences of your actions, there will come a point where you will be forced to face your consequences. That's one way the Creator ensures we learn about loving otherselves and others. It not a bad thing or a punishment thing, it was done for your benfit and the benefit of others, and you always have a choice.

Your "lessons" are not a bubble unaffected and solely unto itself. You are interacting with others and other you.

There are 8 octaves (densities) last I heard when it came to reality, each octave having it's own set of levels. We are currently interacting between a transisition of 3D and 4D. last I heard anyways.

Shedt, don't take things too literally and miss the larger meaning.

Oh my God, you would have to post this as i arrive at my parents home in the American Midwest for the Holidays...I know the answer to this and can reference a book (a chemistry book) as to why this is happening...the chemistry book is back at my apt on the American East Coast.

Short end of the stick, from what I remember off the top of my head, lithium is required to facilitate the passage of information through the nervous system (do not quote me on this directly until I have found my chemistry book and give you a direct quote, I haven't studied this passage in years and am not a qualified expert).

But what I have described above is one of the reasons why people with chemical imbalances are given Lithium. Trying desperately to remember the specific passage...hope I am not making a fool of myself...There is a proportionality, lithium is concentrated on one side and not the other. It has to be this proportion for succesful neural transmission to occur. When it's unbalanced, it can cause severe mental problems even mania.

Can you wait about a week, I'll be back at my apt on Dec 28th?

If you have any religous faith, there is always prayer and always forgiveness...but yeah, you need to take personal responsibility too, which it sounds like your doing.

Would sending out healing energy be of help (sorry, I don't dream, never mind project).

Well there you are, what happened to you all this time []

My learning WAS negatively enforced from childhood at home, from my teachers and schoolmates at school...up until being attacked in my adulthood. Being treated with respect is not owed to you, it is a gift. And if you push any group of people too far, you can expect a negative response...you can ask Israelis and the Palestinians that question, or any any other repressed group that retaliated in frustration.

If that pushed the "roll of the eyes" button, then you're right about the desensitization. But with all due respect, from my original work in race relations, that desensitization often comes about becuase no empathic connection or association is made between peoples. It's not something that personally affects you, so the pain, the needs, don't really exist and can be overcome without aid.

When I had that download last Feb/Mar 2003, I was shown a few things...namely a lot of abductees and sensitives undergoing what I was undergoing, had been undergoing. Mind you, I've been told this was a worst case scenario, and only had a possiblity of happening. But from what I am seeing...this planet made choices to learn certain lessons. The lessons aren't being learned the easy way...if people have the choice to walk away they do. If the lessons are to be learned the hard way, that is what might happen for that learning to take place. More and more each day, I have a feeling that is exactly what will happen. If you can't see yourself in others, if you walk away instead of learning...you can't walk away forever.

Crim,

My attacker has knelt down next to me while I'm praying and done the equivalent of placing his hands on me and I hear a "prayer" of something alone the lines "I call for negative energy or darkness" or some such thing "to be sent into this person."

Aries,

The "download" I keep talking about is a reference to what some abductees (and some other people) have experienced of late...a massive, powerful, concentrated, forced channeling of information. I was pumped full of energy and kept awake for two weeks straight being sent information, being made to interact with entities (some grey, some human) at different vantage points in time...it was wild. It was initiated by a combination of positive energy greys, angelic entities, higher entities, whoever, because I was told they had "had enough of watching me suffer" at the hands of my attackers and the two daffy dimwits I was receiving "help" from (there's sarcasm in that "help"...don't worry, you'll hear about it). It was a horrible experience, and I almost died at several points, almost committed suicide at one point. I didn't know at the time if I would even have a soul if I had died, but by then I was so far gone it really didn't matter (relax, I know my soul won't die, I'm over that portion, thank God).

The download was a mixture of negs and positive entities, each one taking their turn to interact with me...sometimes it was hard to tell which was which. I'm being attacked by humans harnassing lower negs. The Holy Water, Incense, Oil, etc works on the lower negs not on the humans. But the hematite makes it harder for my human attackers to get into my energy. Hematite doesn't stop the attack, just makes it more difficult for them to take my energy or open up my aura and do God knows what.

You need faith still! Why not just have the faith alone? Try it when you're being ganged up on by multiple entities and your thoughts, emotions and physical senses are being manipulated simulataneously in a complex organized fashion. The things don't stop them, just give you room to breathe to push more effort into your faith. Each time you do, the faith gets a little stronger, you learn new things, the less reliant you have to be on the things.

Look at it this way, fear is an energy eater, a depleter. It makes your natural defenses drop.The things aren't going to replace your natural defenses...but they could momentarily assist in sustaining them.

[other]

James,

I don't know if this is akin to "Christian fearmongering" (believe in Christ or go to hell).

James, you know what's happened to me and what I have had to put back together again (and still am). When my boundaries, identity, sense of self were annihilated, everything I encountered was met with fear because everything became unknown to me. It was a devastating, herrondous experience because I was experiencing intense fear, and although I knew the life experiences I was facing were normal and not to be feared and were ordinary, I could not remember why. It was terrible, and depression is not the word for what I went through, I don't think it has a name.

Without being able to remember the "why" life became for me like that Christian fearmongering as you call it, do this, accept this or die.

James what I learned and what we may not think about because we take our boundaries and knowledge for granted is that every new experience is going to cause fear, and there is nothing wrong with that. It's a human reaction. What makes a situation right or wrong is how you deal with it. Education provides coping skills to move through the fear and come out of it either intact or with damage you can appropriately handle. James, without education or coping skills, you won't make it through the fear, trust me on that, I lived like an animal for 4 years without it and I don't recommend it. That isn't a fearmongering threat that's reality.

But for things like coping skills and education to work, like SD said, you have to have a healthy respect for people, and the love put into teaching has to be respectful and inclusive of other.

And that is the thing that I see missing on this site which I think is sad, because it shouldn't be. From day one of my arrival here, all I have seen with regards to God and love is that it belongs to this one mentality and is exclusive of all other. Here, "love" has become some "us vs them" camp. It's a set of rules, a "positive attitude" (which I find laughable, positive according to who?), set of laws in magic...it's never about compassion, never about service to other, never about acknowledging other. It is solely for self, which is about as exclusive as you can get. Which is why it doesn't surprise whenever somebody brings up "love" and "God" on this site, people automatically get defensive because "love" and "God" are associated with exclusion and lack of understanding and lack of compassion. You only get those things if you are "self reliant", so nobody wants to be powerless, ever, which is an absolute riot, because we're all powerless at some point in our lives. Nobody gets through life alone.

I think a little education into what compassion really is, what love really is, what God really is, is sorely needed here, and it needs to be protected and nurtured, otherwise we will fall apart. We won't have the coping skills to deal with anything and we'll always be at each others throats, which is what I see more and more of everyday.

I still keep hearing how the people suffering attacks are the only ones learning, but I have yet to see the rest of you finally accept, that we, the suffering are here for you to learn from, ie, how to be more loving, compassionate, and closer to the real meaning of God. How much longer are you going to deny your lesson? You kept think my complaints and negative comments were me complaining, it never once occurred to you that I might have been trying to direct your attention to something sorely needed?

I think (sorry if I'm putting words in your mouth kyo) the gist of the "learning" kyo was talking about revolved around real love. Real love meaning treating people as they "are", visual learner, doer, thinker, whatever. People are not validated personally and that's why they get left out of the loop.

Why garlic, incense, essential oils, herbs, sulfur, etc?

I wrote an email once to Carla Rueckert (the woman who channeled the Ra Material) about that same question.

Her response is info she got from channeling different entities, and consensus seemed to be that negs can't exist in the same time/space as the stuff.

During my download, I would burn incense, whatever, even spray my perfume and I would get suspicious when I would hear the entity talking to me request me to stop because what I was doing was burning their eyes.

quote:Yup, I touched on this point as well. The problem with using "Light & Love" to deal with intrusion/attachment, is that most pple don't truly understand what "Light & Love" is, as well as HOW to apply it.

In fact, unprotected compassion (unprotected compassion = unprotected love = unprotected sex? *heh*), is one of the key ways which CAUSES, enables and promotes vulnerability to intrusion and entity attachments. by Kyo

I like that! I like that alot. Listen if I live long enough and write my book can I quote you? That is excellent!

Oh Yeah, throwing Holy water at my human attackers is about as effective as throwing Holy Water at a mugger. Just not thinking it's gonna work. But negs...it has to do with how they travel. They can't seem to traverse running water and require assistance. Which is one reason why they might attach to someone, aid in transportation.

Holy Water doesn't work on my human attackers, but it does seem to have an effect on the negs they incorporate and the neg greys that occasionally come after me.

Eh, ok, at least I get something. And soemtimes a faith boost is just as effective.

Not everyone may be attacked but you can be intruded upon or attached to or overshadowed. You know, influencing. Maybe small and petty but still influencing.

As someone who wrote me an email and sound so eloquently, "Everyone says we're all connected, but no one is all inclusive on what that statement means (good and bad connections)."

It was a damn good point and I hope that individual responds to this thread.

Yeah, I have that site...I haven't used but I won't say why because God only knows he reads this stuff sometimes.

No, no conspiracy theory reasons, and I've heard it works for abductees who try it, but I have other problems and the greys for the most part are not it.

If you're an abductee and you wanna try it, I would say go for it. My reasons are strictly personal and I don't want to advertise.

But thany you for thinking of me []

I don't think little grey aliens are involved in this but I appreciate your sarcasm Mustard [8D]

Xander, My original suggestion stands. Soemone has to call whatever child welfare agency there is in the state or talk to the Doctor who will be looking at the kid. 2 inch long hernia, it should never have gotten that bad, I call that neglect. Reach out to the mother after the kid is safe, if she rejects you, there's very little you can do. But you can help that kid.

Hematite? It's an Iron based mineral you can typically buy where ever other rock/minerals are sold, you know like rose quartz, amethyst crystal, citrine, stuff like that. Another good one is bloodstone (same reason, iron). It grounds your energy.

I go to bed at night with Hematite, Bloodstone, and garnet in my slippers. May not be comfortable and doesn't stop the attacks but it does make it harder for my perp and his associates to get through my feet.

First night I used the stuff, something short was trying to open up my aura at my feet. Wasn't getting very far, and finally, out of frustration, it left my feet and zoomed up to my head to glare at meet. I turned my head in the general direction of where it was and said, "Aww, we having a wittle pwoblem getting in?" It didn't say anything just continued to glare.

I also have 3 hematite necklaces I wear to bed, but it doesn't seem to be enough. They can't get into my feet, so now they're attacking my heart, lungs and abdomen (left side keeps ripping open). My 9 hematite stones still haven't come in, but my box of hematite rings should be here soon, please, please, please. Think astral brass knuckles, as well as grounding.

If you believe what was channeled in the COmmunications Forum by Edi, alledgedly some ET group that knows me (!) went to this particular group in the government (ET-Government ties (!)) and alledgedly wanted me placed on the g-goonie test subject list because, alledgedly, I'm going to be an enemy of theirs someday. At this point I find that whole concept laughable after everything I ahve been through because I'm not in the position of doing anything. My life is ruined mentally, physically, emotionally, financially, just getting the spirit part back. Everything I get back is fought every step of the way.

It's a test, an experimental test. You know, like what the Nazis did to the Jews during WWII? If someone wanted to take control over you, or interegate you and get the full truth, or create an assassin, what would have to be done to create such a person (an automaton)? What steps would have to be taken.

See, as Robert Bruce said in his book, when negs access a person's mind, they can only influence so much. His examples: You could probably get a dieting person to eat a candy bar but you couldn't get a person who doesn't drink to crave a beer.

My perp's philosphy: You can't influence a person...well as long as the personality is intact. So destroy the personality by cutting off and manipulating the senses and associated thoughts and rebuild a new personality to their specifications. I don't think it occured to them I would fight back as hard and as long as I have, or that I would learn and pick up on the tactics being used, notice the pattern of personality and personal boundary disentegration and re-integrate (or try to anyway).

No, I don't say that with any pride...this has been a horrible, sick, twisted experience I would not wish on anyone, and it's happening to a lot of people, mainly abductees like myself. When I haven't died several times I have almost taken my own life.