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Can projectors learn skills from obes.

Let's say for example in my previous life I was a calculus teacher and in the current life I'm having problems with calculus. Would that help me with calculus more ?

Also has anybody communicated with Tesla ?

I'm going to try the obe4u techniques to see if they work. I was able to not move my body or anything once I woke up. I'll try it tomorrow.

I wanted to try the techniques (obe4u) where you stay still when you wake up in the morning, then do a projection technique.

Could anybody give me some tips ?

Technique I use.

Have you ever been awake and "stared into space?" You know when you sort of daze off and go all cross eyed? Now close your eyes and try and let your self daze off the same way. Sometimes I find rolling my eyes up just slightly helps me reach that trance state. I susually dont have to think about it anymore, but that's what I would most closely compare it too.

Could you explain it in more detail ?

Once I get the astral projection book I ordered through my library I'm going to try the target technique for 30 days.

I'm going to try this book

http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Soul-Out-Body-Experiences/dp/006251671X/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_3

Just ordered it through my library. Read it before. I'm listening to an audio of the author and he says to stick with a technique for 30 days.   

I don't really know how "professional" projectors do it. I can tell you how I do it. (I wish AP were a profession Teaching AP has become a profession though).

1- Lie down on your back , head supported, hands on side , fingers slightly curled.
2- Find tensed up areas in your body (like you are holding up your neck or pulling on your shoulders to keep hands from moving etc) and ease the tension.
3- Start focusing on the bottom of your feet, find a mild tingle there. Go towards the top very slowly and ultimately to crown of the head. (Thats kinda NEW thing from Astral dynamics). This should take away most of your attention from the body and now you should be alert but focused in head. (If you are still out-there, simply bring yourself back into head gently, again and again).
4- Focus on breathing, it should be calm and sleep-like. Do not try to manipulate it too much, it will go into an "auto" mode soon.
5- Withdraw your attention completely from breathing (this is important) and focus instead on the ringing sound in your ears. All this time your eyes should be relaxed and you should see blackness (reddish if daytime). Do not try to interpret the shapes or follow them.
6- Maintaining this state for a few minutes should take you into trance, while still aware. You should hear yourself breathing or sounds on the street etc but you will be "transparent" to them.

It will not be easy for those who are just starting (most fall asleep or are tortured by incessant internal monologue). Practice will make you perfect.  

I'll try it but most of the time I don't hear a ringing sound in my ears.

Edit: I tried it and it worked pretty good. But now I need help on the exiting part. I guess I'll try a few more times until I get it perfect. 

Yes learn about focus 10 (mind awake body asleep)
basically you want your body to fall ASLEEP. So if you're laying there trying to make it fall asleep it won't happen because you're thinking about it too much which will keep you awake

Are there any tutorials on Focus 10 on the internet or this forum ? Also can I still use the rope technique with focus 10

Aren't I supposed to take action in order to project ?

I'm at the trance part, but I've got the trance down. After my body feels like nothing I then do the elevator emulation (from Astral Dynamics) to make my body feel more like nothing. But after that nothing happens, I try to do the rope technique (I've never climbed a rope though) but nothing happens.

What should I do ?

Also should I use a more visual(ization) type technique ?

The trance is easy no finger tapping required, all you have to do is be relaxed so go through your normal routine than calm your mind i like to count to 50 at the same time visualize each number without thinking about anything else than after you have calmed your mind stare into the blackness with out focusing on any of the lights or dark/purple pulsating blobs and feel your self falling than you will fall into a trance

Oh hey Monk your comment dose nothing to help     

Would Astral Dynamics work ? I'm trying the new system and am getting good results.

I'm reading a couple of books on ap and want to know what is the right way to get into a trance. Are there any guides on the internet.

Typically when I try to get into a trance. I just lay in the position that I sleep in, then I relax my whole body part by part.
How do professional projectors go into a trance before they project. I'm asking cause I don't know if I'm really in a good trance state.

Also I'm reading a book that says you should tap your finger before you go to sleep to experience the hypnagogic state, but so far all I've experienced is my mind either wanting my finger to tap or to stop tapping.

I wanted to ask what is the usual process you go through to achieve  Astral Projection ? I'm asking this because there was only one time where I came real close to achieving Astral Projection, but that was years ago. I'm currently reading Mastering Astral Projection, Astral Dynamics, and a treatise by Robert Bruce. I've read Astral dynamics before but I could never achieve Astral Projection, but because of this book I almost achieved Astral Projection. The real reason I want to achieve Astral Projection is because I want to see if there is an afterlife (Currently an Atheist) and if Jesus actually existed.

Could any professional projectors tell me how they first achieved AP, and what type of books/methods worked for them. Also are there any good books just about achieving the trance state, or any videos.

Thanx.

What a pity, and I explained it so delicately to him. Well then...sounds like it'll take him a long, long time  

Good luck


kind regards,

Paul

I read your method but I've tried that before. Could you explain in more detail please ?

I tried it two days ago. It was the orientation when I went to focus 3 I saw some kind of colors behind my eyes. I'm going to try the next track.

I bought (a while ago) the gateway series would that help.

try when you're sleepy in the afternoon.

don't try to hard.  you want to be "passively active".

if you keep your mind too active it won't happen.

i like to say "pretend to go to sleep" while maintaining a thread of awareness.

it's tricky, but practice makes perfect.

a good way to help learning to keep that thread of awareness is to do the finger tapping or raised arm thing when you do to sleep.  if you lose consciousness your arm falls or your finger stops tapping which should wake you up.  keep doing that and you'll learn how to navigate the "borderland" between awake and asleep which is where projection occurs for many people.

That's the monroe method I've tried that but the only problem is that I don't sleep on my back. I sleep on my side. Are there any guides on this site for doing it in another position other than your back.

Various methods. The one I use the most is the one where you keep breathing in and out until you can't feel your body anymore, then you try a visualization technique to project. But no matter what I do I can't get past this stage. The only part that I can get to is when I can't feel my body anymore and that's it. There was one time I almost got the vibrations but that was years ago. What do you suggest ? I've tried every technique that I can find on the internet and they don't work. What I'm doing now is trying to do reality checks so I can astral project from a dream (A course in dreams and Astral travel).

I'm starting this thread because for years I've been trying to AP but every time I lay on my back and relax. But the only part I can do is relax. I've never got the vibrations,seperation etc...

Is there any way I can get past just the trance state ?

What technique should I use to astral project with this ?

And is there a process to get a successful AP ?