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Okay, so forget Indiana Jones...how about Jumanji? I like that one better for its especially unexpected situations in all three of the movies. That is probably a closer reflection of our astral experiences. My attempt at a humorous inference was for you to be ready for them!

The "wake up call"- We could and should start a new thread on just that. I've noticed it in my experiences and for so many others. It's like going to a hotel and calling the front desk for a 6am wake up call. Twenty years ago, we set the bedside alarm and called the front desk as a back up...now, we usually just trust our cell phone setting...
For most of us experiencers, it's like a certain series of 'triggering events' needs to happen and then boom! the experiences begin or the vibrations hit us almost unmercifully until we are forced to pay attention to them. Another type of 'preset alarm' that I have never experienced but have read from many others is pretty common it seems, and that is the 'wedding alarm'...girl meets guy and she says wedding bells rang in her head instantly...guy meets girl and a voice in his head says 'she is the woman you will marry'...I've read about this pattern so many times, but I don't know personally; the women always seem to get the bells and the guys get the voice...
Before we enter into our Physical lives, do many of us program certain 'alarms' for significant events to happen? It sure seems that way.

The vibrations as Gizzytaz has described them are what happened to me after reading Monroe's first book and trying to induce them; once they started I could not stop them and it was thrilling and a bit terrifying. Within a few years, I was able to tie in the vibrations to the Sleep Paralysis state, the Dream state and then come to some understanding of the Mind Awake/Body Asleep state and the potential that afforded for OBE explorations.
Today, we have a number of resources and one of those I will mention: Wikipedia has aspects I disagree with but does have a good reference page on Sleep Paralysis if you type in a search on 'Night hag'...the information can help allay some fears and you can see how widespread SP is and across Time and cultures.
Hope that helps in everybody's researches...

EV 

"Passively observing" is definitely the best method. The first three emotions that cause trouble and have to be brought under control are Fear, Excitement and Sexual Desire. It is situations involving one or more of these emotions that make our early explorations short and complicated, leading to the idea that these are tests of sorts.

It can also take a number of attempts to find the correct mental "balance" in order to step fully into a scene and have it become "solid"; but it can be done. So don't get frustrated if it seems slow, just notice your progress as you get closer.

And of course, ask questions as they occur to you. This is truly a "work in progress".

EV

Also welcome Gizzytaz,

It's like going on a sea cruise and learning to roll with the ship and sea, getting your "sea legs" it is called. Same thing with the OBE. You have actually described it well and noticed the difference between your normal 5 Physical Reality senses and this obvious introduction of a new set of senses. That, by itself, is a great recognition! Big thing now is to try hard to lose any fear.

Your rapid introduction to the OBE is likely not by accident, so understand that you have Non-Physical friends and support and you are protected. Let it happen and have fun; did you by any chance like the Indiana Jones movies?😎

EV

I will second Lumaza's recommendation that the important thing is that whatever feels like it works for YOU is what you should stick with. There can be several reasons why a certain technique works for you at a certain time and that is another set of possible considerations; that is also how complex, yet subtle this practice can get...maybe why it is considered an "art". It's also why it can be so damn difficult at the beginning, there is a lot to work out.

What I have learned from others, and my personal experience was that "emotion" was the central issue I had to eliminate.  So your idea of incorporating emotion into a projection technique seems to me totally antithetical to the process. Emotion gets in the way. Thus what Lumaza describes as "passive observation" becomes a significant aspect to the majority of OBE experiencers, or at least to getting their early experiences.

Also, with regard to the idea of a Rundown or Visualization, the idea of rhythmic movement adds a dynamic to the experience that seems to work for most. So keep that idea within your awareness, it may show at some point.

EV

Agreed with shineling on both posts- the whiteness or alternately the blackness being a complete shutdown of outside stimuli...a whiteout or blackout can be a lack of frequency or vibrational adjustment...you haven't quite gotten to that frequency, so no input is registering. I have hit that particular wall many times as I've moved upward (or so I think)...this is a noticeable thing but not a real problem, just know that you'll get there next time.

Also I read Castaneda in my early twenties and the Impeccable Warrior and the help of Spirit as well as other ideas were very influential to my development; in retrospect 40 years later, I am am extremely glad that I read them.

Nice addition shineling!

A further thought occurs- it is very rare in my travels and even to TMI that I run into people who have read much of the Castaneda material; most have not, but those who have (and probably the earlier in youth the better) had noticeably profound inspiration from his books. His writings, more than probably any others, have left me the most mystified at their creation and ultimate truth. Honestly, I can accept them at nearly any level, as they still had a pronounced effect on me. Great reading that I now look back on with nostalgia and thanks and still a certain wonderment.

Use the search function on this site for various related terms- the Void, 3D Void, 3D darkness, Void State...

In the first Board in the dark blue sticky topics is The Void, by Volgerle...a lengthy and excellent discourse. You might find some personal answers there or scattered among the many replies.

As well as a good topic on Everything you ever wanted to know about Sleep Paralysis.

(Moderators note- We are a generally adult audience and sometimes touch on some more extreme themes and this is one of them; but keep in mind a younger audience is still reading and so some discretion in our descriptions is warranted. I also recognize that limitations in language are present for many. Thank you for your consideration)

You ask some very pointed questions which actually raise some significant issues that relate especially to the energetic nature of our Non-Physical awareness, and also what happens when it first becomes activated in our youth and early years.

I can only offer my opinion as it relates to my experience and research on the limited information that is available. My NP (Non-Physical) experiences began when I was about 5 and they had a variety of dream-like, then etheric, then OBE and other strange qualities. It wasn't until the age of 12 or 13 that the sexual issues emerged and this was likely the convergence of puberty/adolescence biology with NP energy. And I had experiences that sometimes involved Sleep Paralysis, sexual experiences and fear-based encounters...and pretty quickly combinations and variations of each. At the 'easy' end were enjoyable sexual encounters that sometimes did, sometimes did not involve Sleep Paralysis...a few times I did get the Whiteness as you describe. At the 'difficult' or extreme end, I got sexual encounters that became rather uncomfortable and frightening Succubus experiences; then again, sometimes the sexual component was not there, but I still had a fear-based freak-show kind of nightmare.

I am not a huge fan of Wikipedia for political censorship reasons, but if you do a search on Night Hag, you will find a good page on just how prevalent a condition SP is along with the whole Incubus/Succubus mythology that has plagued Humankind through the centuries and through various cultures.

So my experience and simple view on this is that there is not an issue of White versus Black, or Good versus Evil, vampiric entities mating with us or stealing our energy or souls...but our mythology has always mistakenly taught us this.

Apparently only 25% of the worldwide population consciously experiences SP, but I think the incidence of sexual and fear-extreme experiences is likely higher...
When SP hits and you happen to be slightly conscious and aware, you can have a wonderful and enlightening OBE...but for most people it degenerates into a horribly vivid nightmare, sometimes with a huge fear or sexual component to it. That is because there is a convergence of energies: The reduction of the primary or ego awareness allows the psychic aspect to take precedence which also involves the strongest aspect of the astral or emotional component; this in turn, increases the activity of the two primary astral/emotional circuits of the human being- the Fear circuit and the Sexual circuit. And this is not only how our dreams are often driven but it is especially accelerated when we are caught in Sleep Paralysis, SP.

Add to this a young boy or girl, entering puberty and the hormonal load that is put upon them...and you get some crazy dreams and experiences with little to no context or understanding of what is happening.

Another issue Svetoslav pointed out is the question as to why his experiences stopped for several to ten years. Again, I think this is an individual thing, but in my life and reading of others', it does seem natural that we become susceptible to NP experiences either at a very early age 5-10 or 12-20, but then physical 'Life' and society take so much more prominence for us. In my own experience this 'quiet period' seemed to occur, then a few experiences in my later 20's, then quiet again through my 30's and not until my mid-40's did things start up again. Yes, it is a very individual thing, but I think there are 'societal' influences...

The 'Whiteness/Blackness' issue. I think you are mistaken if you think it is an issue of Good/Evil. The Blackness is most often what we call the Void or the 3 Dimensional Blackness...it is a bit intimidating at first, but actually is a safe and cool place to explore or just exist within. I have experienced the Whiteness as well, and though I don't have a more complete explanation for it, I think it may be a variation of the Blackness. Look up the 3D Void, many of us have experienced it. I know it may not feel 'true' to you at the moment, but 'mixing' and merging with the Whiteness/Blackness may have actually been a form of healing...

Hope that gives some answers
EV

What you are doing is fine, but don't do it just  in the expectation of getting the "vibrations". That is just one of many "exit signs or symptoms" that you should be ready to explore. Monroe was likely the first to describe them so well, but that was because he was a true, natural talent at finding an exit, and the vibes were one of his signature "exit signs"...but that doesn't mean the vibes are the exclusive method for the rest of us. I first induced the vibes at age 13 but as dramatic as they were, I could not make them work even 25% of the time. Like you, I thought that was the best method. Over the next 30 plus years, I got into the 'vibrational stage' probably 30 times...sometimes I could make the transition into an OBE but mostly not. So I learned early on and a bit of the hard way that the vibes are not an automatic answer to making the transition...and I learned not to make my success dependent on that state, and I looked for and discovered others.

And once I began going to TMI, their process really made me aware of just how much we have to remain open to the many different ways to find an exit may present themselves. Thus, we get this great set of ideas started by Lumaza-

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/exit_symptomssignposts-t46206.0.html

And the essential key is whatever exit sensation off this list that you notice...go with it, follow it and allow the experience to develop around the sensation. It may not be what you wanted or expected, but there may be a reason for that and a lesson waiting.

Maybe this one

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_psychic_and_paranormal/does_anyone_want_to_join_zoom_group_developing_telepathy-t47984.0.html;msg374707;boardseen#new

part 2

'Primitive'- yes, in the sense that the vast majority of Earth population response is fear-based. The life/death struggle is understandable but a certain level of civilization affords most of us the opportunity to move beyond that, some space and comfort and yet we don't change our response as a group, only as individuals. Thus, the greater group of us, our decisions are still based in fear, greed, anger, violence, exploitation and dominance. That is understandable from the species perspective, and even cultural perspectives, and even two hundred years ago...but it still persists and has evolved into ever finer and more precise systems of psychological manipulation. Sad, yet it is what it is...

It is like a school with differing grade levels. A few remarkable exceptions stand out from century to century...they are either lauded as saints or cast down and killed, or both.

Nameless, I get the same sense that many of us feel "done" and almost finished. Coming to this site for the last few years is maybe like a final gathering, offering some insights and a final recognition or look around amongst ourselves.

Like Lumaza said about finding like-minded souls here on the Pulse, I wondered at one point that many of us might fit into the Castaneda idea of a Nagual's Party, a group that would search and find a mystical path to reach beyond the Earth Life/Death Rebirth Cycle. Then I considered the Cannon idea of Volunteers serving on Earth to usher in a new age. Then with the ET aspect, maybe some of us were simply members of an 'away team'...here to explore, categorize and report...maybe in some fashion, each of these ideas is somehow true or reflective of a finer truth...

Another aspect is that like many of us have realized, the Earth is not that big and that many of us may already know each other. And maybe the Universe/Multiverse is not that big either...and that we already do know each other

OMG this post will prove difficult!

The S word was my first choice, but spellcheck refused it...okay we are difficult! stubborn...

It has taken me a couple weeks to reply to this thread because you people leave me no choice but to have to actually think about these things you comment about! Every good thing carries a high price.

LB- I have always gotten the impression of 'observer'...but I think it is somehow more than that. Maybe explorer, surveyor, anthropologist, archeologist, historian, biologist, philosopher...maybe all of these things.

Driving long distance has always been a form of meditation for me...I see things, I realize truths...downloads occur...very subtle, very hypnotic...I drove straight from Daytona to Virginia one year after a race, adrenaline still pushing,..13 hours...and it had its NP moments...

Lumaza- Yes, empathic, and a generally solitary lifestyle...that is what we are. Not all of us but still the need for solitary contemplation. And that takes time. I recognized this from age 8. Lumaza turned me onto Delores Cannon and the idea of the Volunteers, which caught my interest but a friend at TMI said no. So I was left to doubt the whole thing...I just wasn't sure...

We all seem to have our individual glances into the NP.

LB- I had those same questions with my parents and quickly dismissed them. They did not understand and so I went quiet, not wanting to push the issue.

I realized at that point, that a normal life was somehow not going to be available to me. That is not being melodramatic, that is what I simply knew...yeah, I was like 8...lol

part 1

LB-
Please do not stop posting these incredible dreams, especially if the mood invites you to post them. We all need this now during these times, the good stuff, from wherever and whomever it may come...and from you it is always pure and genuine. If you feel it, send it!

It is remarkable the similarities that are showing up. It was a year or more ago I think, that I shared my 'dancing' theme, which was witnessing an incredibly artful dance expression by maybe fifty dancers to Led Zeppelin's song In The Light. Wonderfully and sensually rhythmic...

I wonder that these are not somehow still, small pieces of a puzzle we are fitting together..

A proper affirmation can only be a beneficial thing. For most people, they see some benefit; for a smaller yet still significant group affirmations can be a huge benefit.

Plus it's free.

It's also a perfect example of putting "INTENT" into your practice. How serious are you about wanting this? The human subconscious is very much like a computer, it can be readily and surprisingly reprogrammed with simple commands or requests.

Like Nameless said, keep it simple. 1,2 or 3 short simple statements, simply worded. Present tense, positively-phrased (meaning no negative words like no/can't/won't/don't/never)...

You don't have to repeat it a hundred times a day. Choose a couple times when you are relaxed and not bothered by the day's thoughts, like as you are relaxing for a few minutes after first waking or when you go to bed. Writing down your affirmations can be another effective method to communicate with your subconscious; do it once a day if you feel like it.  Do these simple exercises for a week and see what the results are...modify it if your intuition says otherwise.

And as Nameless suggested, your affirmations can include a sincere request for assistance from your Guide(s). I have learned that likely all of us have Guides, and in many cases all it takes is for us to recognize the possibility and just ask.

It really can be that simple and may show incredible results.

Wow! I hate to divert even slightly from LB's excellent post on the possible influence of movies on and within our NP experiences...but we need a whole new thread on what I will label as the Cartoon Network Universe of NP experiences.

And I thought it was just me....lol!

How incredibly interesting! i discovered Jumanji several years late but enjoyed it immensely; the sequel with the Rock was equally good. It is a narrative that makes for a great NP teaching format as LB has found and I think that I have experienced parts of it...it is a quite useful teaching format...

It is interesting how certain time-particular films serve as backdrops to our NP learning. It is all so contextual...phew! Lol.

My god, I still get riddles within cartoons...what am I to make of these? It goes from serious to absurd...

It is a 'welcomed time out' but also a learning experience...another wonderful dichotomy and anachronism...

Wow, what a great question you have presented us with! T-Man pointed at it, Lumaza outlined it and Omcasey defined it...

I agree that all of our experience is a dialogue, a communication, an interchange of conscious energy...

Casey pointed out the quality that we should catch onto...how do we bring back more of the experience, the conversations, the messages? Why are these kept from us, like fleeting, lost words on the dark winds...?

With Focus, with Intent...we can make improvement; but it it seems always still incomplete. Is this the everlasting riddle and frustrating joke of being Human?

I did the Starlines 1 course at Monroe back in March...they closed the place down for Covid the day we left. We toured the galaxy and then other star systems; great time but I am still searching for answers, lol. I can certify that this is all real...at least for me, you have to figure it out for yourself.

Excellent points all around. T-Man, your description is also a great indicator of your advancing NP awareness in that you are multi-tasking in a way, compartmentalizing a small portion of your awareness to the definite task of remembering the experience. This doesn't just happen by accident; it is a semi-conscious, willful act to remember the event...another great indication of Intent.

At Monroe, it was explained and clarified for me that we can indeed be experiencing simultaneously within several frequencies, levels, layers or fields during our NP experiences; So we should not get too confused or disappointed by that.

Rarely are we 100% in an experience. We may be 95% or maybe 75%. Further experiences open us to just where that 'other' awareness is...it can be 5% still physical, it can be 15% etheric...it's like we leave small anchors in each of these levels or fields or frequencies...

I have had experiences that involve moving to what I believe are the higher Mental frequencies, maybe even edging into the Causal or higher levels...yet as I have done this I am aware of these subtle 'anchors' that tie me back into the lower levels. It is a very intriguing realization but also a reassuring sense of, what can I call it, navigation charts...

Maybe it has been a purely personal insight for me, but as my experiences have unfolded over 59 years, I can see the movement through the Physical, Etheric, Astral, Mental, Causal and higher levels...only by looking backwards in a sense can I see the way forward...an incredibly fascinating process...

These experiences often push me to throw out these 'anchors' as I move forward...I don't always understand why,  and they are very subtle things...so I would suggest to just be aware of them in almost a peripheral sense...pay attention to them but be ready to put them and the new experiences in a new category.

Super chili cheese dog, with chopped onions...two if you can force them down, add your personal hot sauce...lol.

Nameless, you are making reference to A Christmas Carol and that 'morsel of undigested meat or cheese' that Scrooge encountered; a great example.

Nice vids Casey, good instruction! 

That was my simple attempt at comedy funfire...no plunge, no lid closed...

The thousands of new spam members that have to be considered and finally discarded; that is very real, so thank the mods that spend the time to do that work of drudgery.

The AP Abyss that Lumaza refers to is a metaphorical idea that posits an answer to why very excellent posts, threads and discussions can come to an end so quickly and somewhat prematurely. The really good ideas/questions deserve more of our attention and consideration and responses.

Just my editorial opinion.

No worries...the Astral Pulse Abyss was locked down and the lid closed back in early February in response to the virus; no members have felt the plunge since then, only a few tens of thousands spammers...

Again I will stress that this is my interpretation of your interpretation of a NPR experience. A lot of cross-interpretation going on, but I think several insights may be illuminated. This reminded me of a very similar experience I had at that point in my learning, and like you, I had not realized it's importance and failed to journal it as a result.

A "series of experiences" should be enough to alert you by now that something significant is happening and should demand your attention. Your initial read on "outer space" was right in more than one sense: You hadn't experienced being there before so that was a good insight that it was new but it didn't feel quite right so that may have been an insight that it was a Simulation or your realization of a new and different set of energies which would require new interpretation, again whichever it was a good insight and a sign of developing awareness.

Leland wrote what was for me a very significant insight, that we can be exploring a new and higher energy level/body while still consolidating experiences at the previous level. Now, for me this was initially confusing because I still had doubts as to which energy level/body I was exploring and there were apparently crossover interpretation issues going on. What helps in this is to simply have more data through a slowly widening range of experiences. For example, remember how difficult it was to initially move around in your Etheric body? Slow motion, gravity was off in some way, couldn't open your eyes? That was all because you were applying a PR frame of reference to a new and different energy level. The same happened as you moved into the Astral: Events happen much faster, movement was not so much of a problem, the visual environment was cleaner but new difficulties occurred- emotions of all kinds, confusion, cognitive ability, the situations became more complex...now this experience may be reminding you that in this new environment, you have to rediscover your sensory abilities not by applying any of the earlier frameworks, but by learning and developing another framework, a newer, faster, better model. This experience may have been an introduction to the Upper Astral or Lower Mental energy level, if you wish to describe it that way. And yes, it certainly does feel like you are almost starting over...and again that realization is very likely another good insight on your part and a sign of your awareness increasing.

For me, at this point, I felt like I had finally experienced enough different perspectives that a larger picture or framework was coming into view, one that really made me understand just how much of all this is sensing and interpreting energy systems and structures, which is what NPR is.

So yes, you are right. At each new level, it appears that we have to start with the "basics" of that level.

And I think you instinctively knew that you shouldn't wake up to record this at the time; you may have lost the energy level completely. So your only option was to stay 'submerged' and work through as best as you could, which is also great training at the instinctive level. Thus you noticed how "fuzzy" the experience was, which for me means that my awareness is not quite up to speed yet. And that is how it goes...

Great experience! Looks like the weeks of qigong paid off to build the energy to get there!

Great thread Xanth! It's needed, especially now!

Thanks for everyone's replies.

Nameless and I spoke for over two hours last night; much of the convo about this. Everyone is likely feeling the pressure that the pandemic has generated, keeping in mind there were already earlier social and energetic forces at work that are significant to our time. It is apparent to many of us that there is a strong psychic component to the oppressive energy at work now. I will venture the opinion that for many of us at the Pulse, we are somewhat more susceptible to the debilitating effects of this energy, so we really need to recognize that fact and take steps to secure and reinforce our own energies and those close to and important to us.

It doesn't have to be perfect, your simple intention and good will is everything. We have to support each other, our family and our friends. Just with simple prayers and visualizations of sending supportive energy, dedicate just ten minutes a day and send out the good vibes. Start with a simple grounding exercise for your own well-being. Sink your energy into the earth and feel the energy returning; send your energy into the sky above and feel the energy returning; do this three times or more if you want to. Then send that energy around the group. Add breathing to it if you wish. It is actually no more complicated than that.

I have had nearly zero NP experiences for the last six months. The occasional slight lucid dream, and those have become noticeable for their uniqueness. It seems like our energy or the NP itself, has forced an almost total shutdown on experiences for many of us. Maybe it's to force us to conserve our energy or re-direct our focus to what needs closer and more refined attention at this time.

I've discussed this with a few people and the subject of an energy shift to a higher level, from 3 dimension to 4 and 5th dimensional energy may be at work. And these are the 'growing pains'...and many of us are not just feeling the oppressive emotional/psychic energy, but there are attendant physical discomforts many of us are experiencing.

The strangest of many things is that despite the lack of NP experiences I have had some slightly lucid dreams that seem to break new ground. One was last week and as I described it to Nameless last night, she remembered having been part of the same dream. So it appears to be a shared experience, which is especially startling given the current situation. It's an unclear memory and hopefully we will figure it out in the future.

Nonetheless, we have to deal with now. Be strong, send some energy around and hang in there! Good wishes to everyone!
EV

GR,
Over the previous fifty+ years, I have had many NP experiences...but in 2010, just a few months after my father's death, I had an experience where I was 'escorted'; I literally felt the hand holding me by the shoulder and was taken to an area of the Afterlife to see my father for just a short moment, ten or twenty seconds, to say hello and check on his well-being...

So I fully understand when you describe the "one of the most real, powerful, transformative things" that you talked about. I had already experienced NP-wise enough to convince me, but this was the first, most recent time that I conclusively recognized the influence and assistance of an outside agency; someone or some thing had assisted me. I had never had evidence of that before, in my adult life. That was finally, a reassurance to the idea of Guidance and assistance, something that I was sadly missing and unsure of beforehand.

Guidance is there...but as you have found, it is different for each of us in very unique ways.

It does take a lot to stay aware and concentrated enough. This is the discipline required to take it to the next level. The fact that you are already here and asking the right questions shows that you have the willingness and ability. Be confident and forge ahead. In the NP, always know that you are safe!

You are doing great!

EV

#1   Not true. Sensations of bodily dislocation can be induced by electrical current...that is not an OBE. The researchers have a limited idea of what they are looking for, much less trying to measure. Like using tape measures or sending signals into space to find lions in Africa...

#2   Reality fluctuations are one indication of just how wildly our interpretations can differ in describing what are essentially energetic structures of the Non-Physical; they can be slightly dissimilar or greatly dissimilar to the next two people to describe them, dependent on many factors. There is no framework that demands they be the same or even similar. Case in point: When I did Lifeline at Monroe and we first went to the 'Hospital' in Focus 27, I got nothing...but one of the other participants experienced the twin-wheeled orbital platform from 2001: A Space Odyssey.  I saw it as a perfectly reasonable representation of the F27 hospital environment, but he didn't get it and refused to accept it as a valid experience. I tried to explain to him in terms of how he might accept his own interpretation, but he steadfastly refused. I was actually a little jealous because I understood and accepted the 'interpretation' of the energy; and yet, he refused it. This is a key part to understanding the complexity and nuance to it all.

An essential truth of any Non-Physical experience that occurred to me is that 'the question of real or not-real is not important; the question is- does it convey a message of truth, knowledge and understanding'...does it teach you something?

In this way, truth and knowledge can arrive in many unexpected forms. It's only a dream if you wish leave it as such.

#3   Not true. I wondered the same question. But if you go deep enough into these experiences, you will find incredible similarities and many that are your own slight branches off of them. This goes back again to individual interpretations of singularly energetic events. Many times where I expected to find similarities, I did not find them...and yet many times I did find similarities where I had not expected them, so there is that complexity. Having personally followed Monroe, I was a bit disappointed in not following even closely to some of his experiences, but I have realized he was quite unique and even prone to his own misinterpretations. Reading Leland and Bruce Moen, I now see that I am following a synthesis of theirs and Monroe's model, shaped eventually into my own...which now makes a certain sense that it is as it should be...it is my experience.

Would you want it any other way?

EV