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what has to be so scientific about the tek's needed to prove the ability?  i would think that it would be pretty cut and dry.

i believe i read somewhere that most false awakenings take place in your bedroom.

tom, did you make the ball wearing your pager or fire one at it?

http://host.randi.org/research/

if it was possible to do any of this i wanted to be the one to do it but if you can meet this guys challenge...give me like five bucks out of the million you win huh?

if anyone could do this it would really score some points for al of us wacko's that are practicing this stuff.

i read in the post about the physical relaxation tek's that frank has been sharing that it was thought that side projecting was impossible or not very likely.  i'm not sure posted it but i thought i would post otherwise.  looks like there are a bunch of you who have been doing it though.  for some reason i find it a lot easier to project from my side, but much harder to reach any level of trance unless my back is underneaath of me.

i believe it's quite obvious that you were on lsd.  living in philadelphia probably makes it very easy to obtain any type of drug.  i've heard that their crime rate is horrible.  i wouldnt be surprised  if you were a drug dealer yourself.  also there have been many great musicians who were on lsd and various other hallucinigenic substances in the past.  some of these easily could have been your idol.  jimi hendrix was a great man.  i could see how you would want to be just like him.

about your experience though, you mentioned that the feeling you felt wasn't the normal twenty one year old genitals feeling.  i'm very curious to know how you could be so sure it wasnt the normal feeling of a twenty one year old male's gentitals.  how many other male genitalia have you felt that were of that age?  how could you be so sure that those people were normal?  

that light you mentioned may have been a flying saucer.  i hear they are pretty common in philly.  you are very lucky you didnt get abducted.  if you did get abducted, you are very lucky that you didnt remember anything but the bright light coming through your window.

the pinning effect was clearly you misthinking that you couldn't move, when in fact, your extremely expensive down comforter was holding you down.  also the sheet that may have been tucked in from mommy the  night before may still have been extra specially tight for her little 'sugar bacon'.

i don't know everything but i'm pretty sure that no matter how much experience that you have on this forum that you are never going to be able to turn into a 'poster' on this forum.  i've looked around a good bit and don't  recall seeing any posters at all here.  maybe once you are able to project consciously constantly you could turn into one there.  i would recomment the poster of pink floyd where there are five girls all painted to match the five albums that those gods made.  that would be a nice poster to be.

this entire post was bs.  it was typed all in good fun.  i in no way meant to mock any of your experiences and can appreciate all of them.  it may not be funny now that you've read that i was kidding but i'm sure on the way downhere you laughed your sugar bacon #@!  off.   if i did offend i'm sorry and i will delete this post immediately.  i read your post in response to my other topic and figured you had a good sense of humor.  

i agree w/ ralphm and jilola about your experience.  to go into any more detail about what i thought it was would just take away from how you remember it.  there are things better left w/out an attempt to describe them.  most awesome, life changing experiences are ineffable and any attempt to describe them takes away from the experience and what's worse, takes away from the memory of the experience. happy flying.

were you tripping?
fred

'take me there' reminds me of the calgon commercial .  i believe their slogan was' take me away'.  it would be great if it were that easy.

i don't believe that there is ever going to be a master at obe.  i don't believe there is ever going to be a master at anything. well, maybe except all of the he-man characters.  they were undoubtedly masters of the universe.

the people that are very good at this would just be able to tell you things.  one person who is very good at this is robert bruce.  he can tell  you things when you read his book.  i believe it would be beneficial to think more along the lines as you being the person who can show you how to do this.  there is plenty of information at this site to help you help yourself, but that's all it's going to do.  

the craving that you have to learn how to do this consciously is going to influence the outcome very much.  keep it as high as you can.  

i believe the best advice anyone can give you right now is to spend hours at this site.  read everything that pertains to oobe.  the treatises on the homepage are a good place to start.  happy flying

fred

welcome to the forum.

i know how you feel about the validity of all of this stuff.  i definetly am or was the most skeptical person i know, especially when it came to this stuff.  i dismissed all of it until i had one of these experiences.  i've learned not to discount anything.

that's really great that you are having al lof these experiences.  most people on this forum have to work very hard to see half of what you see.  i couldnt say why your experiences have been more frequent lately.  i would suggest taking a look back and trying to notice any differences in your lifestyle.  anything at all might give a clue.  

the really good dreams are the ones that you can't tell the difference in.  last week ihad a dream that i could levitate from some meditation i'd been doing in my dream.  i've been working on lucid dreaming lately and increasing my dream recall  so i knew a few reality cks to do.  i tried the one where you ck the text of something to see if it changes when you look away, and the one where you turn the lights on or off to see if they change.  neither one of them worked out for me.  the text stayed the same after three glances and the light switched off.  these were supposed to be cks that never failed.  i ended up believing that i wasn't dreaming and i went to a friends house to tell him that i learned how to fly.  the dream lasted about an hour and w/ me waking up dissapointed.  even the not so good dreams are hard to tell the reality of though.  everything comes in through your senses and that whole bit so how do you really know anything?

it seems like you've already crossed over the hardest part.  now you don't know anything instead of knowing it's not real.  


i rememeber reading something about the dream world being part of the astral and them being one in the same but just different aspects something blah blah ...you should be able to find something about it if you search for it.
spending hours at this site researching everything is the best thing to do right now. you'll find anything you want to know and probably some other stories that are similar to yours.  happy flying

fred

i recently went through seven or eight days where i only slept for an hour or so  a couple of those days.  i meditated for seven or eight hours a night instead of sleeping.  it wasn't done intentionally at first.  i was trying to very calmly induce a lucid dream or at least cross the threshold into sleep w/ out breaking consciousness.  the result was the very long meditation session, which turned out very nicely because i felt refreshed the next morning.  i continued to do it for a while and i havent had any side effects from it.  the day after i actually did get a good nights sleep i slept for eleven hours or so and felt more tired that morning than i did compared to the others.   i'd like to find out more about those advanced meditators not needing as much sleep and seeing if that is unhealthy for you in any way.  
fred

i'm not going to try and explain what they are or why you're having them but, i will suggest you spend some time thinking about them and remembering that the next time that happens, no matter what, you are dreaming.  it will make for a good lucid dream induction.

unless of course that really does happen and you're trying to settle everyone down by telling them that they are all dreaming.  but hey, if you're going to die anyway....maybe it doesnt matter.
fred

i thank you all for your help and yes, this was supposed to one of them there funny questions.  if you'll click on my name it should show that i've been here for a little while trying to help and being helped.  i thought that it would be funny to pretend to just blatantly  ignore the search function and ask the most basic question possible.   it was meant to drop your jaw at first, maybe pee your pants some at how ridiculous it was, let the realization sink in that i was joking,  maybe get an equally sarcastic response from someone who realized i was kidding and a few laughs.  armed responses responded response in response to my post  was perfect.  i assume he was kidding also, and what a good job.

clandestino, i'm not sure if you knew i was kidding or not but you get a thumbs up for just taking it in and suggesting a site, instead of telling me how i should have used the search before asking something like that.

have fun guys

this morning i was able to slip into a light trance state after waking.  i concentrated hard on relaxing those little tendons at the base of my neck.  this seems to have been the problem, but i thought i had this thing pegged a few different times.  this makes more sense the more i think about it though, and i'd like to offer what i think the explanation is so it doesnt happen to anyone else.

during the first few months of my energy/trance work i didnt try to project.  during this time i was able to slip into any level of trance i wanted to w/out a problem. i was so excited when i was trying to project that  during my proj. attempts i was having a problem keeping my physical body totally relaxed.  at the point of seperation i kept moving my body in the direction i was trying to project.  i was having trouble drawing the line between a mental and a physical action.  i was doing this ever so slightly w/ my  neck, and some of the time i didn't notice it for ten or fifteen minutes.  the result was a gradual build up of tension on those little tendons at the base of my neck.  i don't believe i strained them but i do believe that i trained them to tense up while i was in trance or trying to project.  

this was happening so slowly that i didn't notice it and ever since then anytime i tried to settle into  a trance they would react the same way.  this felt normal to me because i hadnt noticed it before and thought i was completely relaxed and thought i was just progressing through the stages and had found another problem along the way.

recently i had thought that this neck tension problem was due to poor breathing.  i did some research on correct breathing tek's and found out that most people breathe incorrectly.  i posted something about it in the chat forum and recommend reading it.  after some reviewing of my own breathing process i concluded that i wasn't breathing incorrectly but could have been breathing more deeply.  when i applied the new breathing tek to my trance work it seemed to help w/ my neck tension a little.  i believe this was due to just moving some of the tension downwards.  

robert mentions in ad that the most common problem when trying to settle into a trance state is deep physical relaxation.  i thought i was totally relaxed because i had been during the first few months.  i'm going to spend some time later trying to reach a full trance state.  if i'm successful this would definetly prove to  have been the problem.   it would be nice if this helped someone else out as well  and i'll keep you posted.

fred

i plan on staying in the rtz for a good while before i try and get into the astral proper.  i could see how it would get boring though, always projecting to the same place.   do you have a guide that would take you there?  maybe now is the time to look for one.

i see your points on this but, ppsd is just a measure against 'things' that can be harmful to you.  if you don't want to call anything good or bad, which i agree w/ , you still have to reckognize pain as being unwanted.  

we may be born w/out any knowledge of what good or bad is but pain is something that we know right away is 'bad'.  it's something that doesnt need to be labeled or taught.

you have to make a line and draw it somewhere.  whether it's mental torture or physical torture, these are things that are unwanted and the knowledge to counter these things is invaluable.

if you don't believe in these things as being negative or bad, and assume that you will never have to experience anything like this because of that, and you never do, then that is awesome.  if you don't believe in these things as being harmful to you and you are psyschically attacked or harmed, then you are going to want it to stop.

i agree that we are all one and part of the same creator, being, universe or whatever other word can't describe the idea in all of our heads, however, you definetly can't have the good w/out the bad.  i believe totally in the balancing act that i believe has been going on since eternity.

if everything is really everything, and there are things on the physical that are harmful to us, then it must be followed all the way up to the top that there are going to be harmful encounters on those realms.  

i'm not sure who's quote it is but they nailed it w/  as above so below, or something like that .

fred

i did some reading and found a place in new jersey that teaches the technique.  that's only about two hours away from where i am so i m going to make an apppt for next week.  

the more i analyze the problem, the more i feel that it has something to do w/ my breathing.  i believe it may be those little tendons or whatever they are that are on the front of your neck near your collarbone, tensing up when they  don't have to be.  this was happening so subtly that i was tricking myself into believing that i was completely relaxed.  i confirmed this somewhat by placing my hands on those areas and kind of massaging them or just letting the weight of my hands aleviate some of the pressure that i thought was there.  it helped a little but not all the way.

all of his may be due to the habitual way i've been breathing.  i've always thought that i breathed correctly.  i've been meditating for a decent amount of time and feel great when doing it.  this book i have been reading about breathing has shown me that most people breathe incorrectly and don't even know it.  it shows how many diseases and illnesses are contributed to, if not cause by breathing incorrectly.  the one that caught my eye was heart atttacks and disease.  i don't recall exactly what was written but it read something like 'one of the major veins coming back to the heart passes directly through the diaphragm, and if it's not allowed to contract and expand properly it constricts this vein.'  this is just one of the aspects of how poor breathing can affect  people.  

i would suggest some breathing research to anyone who doesnt know for sure that they are breathing correctly.  most people don't know.

the alexander technique,  i'm sure will prove useful even if it doesnt fix my problem.

fred

that's the same advice i was thinking about giving wheni was reading the post.   i have been on the threshold many times only to be stopped by being over excited.  even later in the day when i would sit and think to myself ' ok it's no big deal when i feel the vibrations' ,  i would still tense up or get too excited.  i guess you just have to keep doing it and spend as much time as y ou can onthat threshold to get comfortable enough w/ it so that it's really not a big deal anymore. you'll get it .
fred

i believe in ad robert mentions something about energizing the brow chakra more than usual for higher level projections.  even though you are not projecting into the astral proper yet, it may be worth a try.  assuming that you are also energizing your other chakras, this shouldnt' be a problem.   i believe the book reads that you can energize your brow chakra to the point where it feels like your head is going to explode, and that it is normal.  

also if you've ever seen a gateway or read a very good description of one you are supposed to be able to just call on it when you are about to project, and it should take you to the place in the astral that is most in tune w/ your current energy.  i guess that's why you charge your brow chakra so much to project into the different levels of the astral.  the higher the frequency you are vibrating at, the higher frequency of the plane you are going to end up in.

fred

these are all great ways to settle into a nice trance state.  aside from the method that you chose, the breathing tek where you hold your breath for thirty seconds, breath regularly for minute or two, and then hold again for thirty seconds has proven to be a huge catalyst in reaching even a light trance.  at first i didnt want to use it because it felt kinda cheap to cut short the half an hour time slot that it took me to fall into the same trance state.  i guess it was one of those too good to be true feelings.  i don't use it that much because i still enjoy that time that it takes to settle into a nice trance.  when i do use it though, it doesnt take that long to reach the same state.  i've found that i don't even need to be completely relaxed to use it.  i immediately feel my energy body surge after the first held breath.  
fred

i dunno... lets add them all up .  i'll start.  i've personally viewed exactly seven hundred sixty seven posts. next

welcome aboard skatche.  this is the place to be for projecting.  

you can learn a lot here, and what you can't learn here... you can learn somewhere else.  i'm not sure if that's funny or not but since i wrote it i'm gonna leave it there.
fred

have you read ad?, have you read all of the treatises on this site?, how long have you been trying, and what exactly have you been trying? are you able to enter a trance state? what progress, if any, do you feel you have made?  give us a little more detail on what the problem is exactly, and we'll be able to help you .  

being ticked off is common , try not to get ticked off about it
fred

gravity won't affect you in the astral.  if you feel yourself sinking it will be caused by you thinking that you should be sinking.  as soon as you realize that you can hover, you will be able to.

things that would normally be troublesome for you will be harder to do in the astral.  it's kinda like a failsafe.  if you start to do something that you think you shouldn't be, it will become harder and harder to do it.  you may experience reality fluctuations or your vision may become blurry.  you may even be snapped back to your body.

i wouldnt' know what to suggest for the first few times out, maybe just getting accustomed to moving around in the astral.  i plan on staying in the rtz for a good amount of time before i move on to the planes.  

hppy flying

i'm still not sure on exactly it is that you do that gives you the feeling.

it does seem the more i try and learn about this, the harder it gets and the less i succeed.  since this is something that we unconsciously do everynight, it would make sense that any attempt to formulate the process would slow it down to say the least.  it's just very hard to just do it, if you don't know what to do.  i'm trying to lay back and just let it happen now after eight months of dedication.  i'm not sure how it's working out yet, however, i do feel better about doing the practices knowing that i'm not pressed for any particular outcome, and am just doing the practice for it's purpose.  i'll let you know how things go.
fred

the first time i used lsd w/ some friends, i found myself lying in bed at the end of the night before everyone was going to try and fall asleep.  five seconds after i hit the bed, i found myself flying in an astral gateway w/ incredible geometric designs on the wall, and music coming from every direction. it was incredible and enough to dent my skepticism.
fred