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I'm honestly unsure if that was sarcasm (the last part) or you actually need us to explain how your hand works? 
I need a bit more information.

I think I understand it because I read it out loud multiple times. Also, I needed to know what he means when he says "What's most important is to establish the clear intention of trying them before falling asleep."

It's on this page

https://obe4u.com/how-to-lucid-dream/

Thanks.

I found an effective tool for "alarms" with Google Calendar. Android phones have it built in and iOS can download. All you have to do is set a recurring event and it will play a sharp sound a single time without any additional configuration. You don't even need a third-party app!

Luffy, have you ever tried meditation? To me, it seems like excessive analysis only happens when people don't know how to "control" their stream of thoughts.

That said, I feel the Excessively Alert Awakening (no Attempt or a Sluggish One) wording is poor. It says "you ought to follow instructions automatically" but that you also need to consciously do something. That seems contradictory.

It seems like you are getting caught up in theory.

Take this for instance:


You can memorize all the steps of the acronym B.E.E.F for how to properly shoot a basketball. But if you fuss over the details, you'll forget to shoot the ball at all.

Hi,
Can you go into more detail about making an acronym?

I'm also going to attempt the techniques this Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday since I don't have school the two latter days. I wanted to know what Raduga means by this

Phantom wiggling (movement)
"Training. To train the technique of phantom wiggling, relax a hand for several minutes while lying down, eyes closed. Then, aggressively envision the following hand movements, without moving any muscles, for two to three minutes each: rotating, up-down, left-right, extending the fingers and drawing the fingers together, clenching and unclenching a fist." This is page 182 of his pdf book.

I don't know what he means when he says "rotating" "extending the fingers" "and drawing the fingers together"? While I wait for a possible response I'm going to practice what I understand.

Thanks.

Luffy with all respect, did you even read what we or I said earlier? You are over-complicating it. Sleep for 3-4-5 hours then try it. On your back, don't move and dive into it deeply, let it happen. This is one way only. You need to sleep that much for first because you will be detached more from the physical reality and your mind is clear enough normally.

Sorry for replying/asking the only reason I replied was that your posts / other posts were confusing and not simple. I'm going to sleep two to two and a half hours then do it.

Also in this URL Raduga says not to count during doing cycling techniques. This is the URL.

https://obe4u.com/typical-student-questions-2/

The problem I'm having is "Excessive Analysis" and "Excessively Alert Awakening (no Attempt or a Sluggish One)" from this URL. I'll explain it once I do it. Which I'm not doing till next Thursday / Saturday / Sunday.

https://obe4u.com/how-to-lucid-dream/

Thanks.

[make less movements]

Luffy,

You told Raduga that you have a hard time going back to sleep after only being awake for 5 minutes. So, he tells you to try to stay awake for less than 5 minutes instead!

It means, to try staying awake for less than 5 minutes. Try 0 to 4 minutes.

Try:
- Stay awake for 4 minutes. Can't fall asleep? Reduce time...
- Stay awake for 3 minutes. Can't fall asleep? Reduce time...
- Stay awake 2 minutes. Can't fall asleep? Reduce time...
- Stay awake 1 minute. Can't fall asleep? Reduce time...
- Stay awake for less than 1 minute. Can't fall asleep? Reduce time...
Understand? Any time LESS than 5 minutes.

When Raduga says "..., make less movements" he means to try to stay as still as possible. This is where your auto-shut off alarm helps. REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF BODY MOVEMENTS YOU MAKE TO A LITTLE AS POSSIBLE.

Crazy how it takes a paragraph to explain the most simple of things. 

Can I awaken after two to two and a half hours of sleep? He said in the email that I can sleep for less time. Also if that doesn't work can I skip step 1 and do step 2 before sleep?

https://obe4u.com/how-to-lucid-dream/

Thanks.

I created a 4.5 hr alarm that is having great results luff. Record silence for 90 minutes then add a quick "beep" or whatever alarm sound you want. Do that in three 90 minute intervals so it will equal a total of 4.5 hours. I did it in 90 minite intervals because that is when the brain cycles to REM. So each rem cycle you will have a brief alarm slightly jar you awake....hopefully into the obe state. Good luck!

Yeah, every time I try to awaken 4 hours or more after sleep I end up staying up all night when I try to stay awake for five minutes or less.

This is an email Raduga sent to me.


Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 9:01 PM
To: Michael Raduga <obe4u@obe4u.com>
Hi,
I wanted to know if I can replace step 1 in the obe4u method? Instead of sleeping 4 to 6 hours I can sleep for two to two and a half hours. Also does awakening 2 to 3 hours before regular awakening work? The reason I'm asking is that every time I try to awaken after 4 to 6 hours of sleep and try to stay awake for less than 5 minutes I can't go back to sleep and end up staying awake all night long. I have a post on dreamviews asking about this. I also wanted to know how to participate in project Elijah once I have enough experience with the phase?

Thanks.

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THE PHASE <obe4u@obe4u.com> Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 7:28 AM
To:
Hi,

You can wake up earlier, but there's no reason for this because your next sleep maybe too deep. Try to reduce 5-minute break, make less movements. We've been working on this problem.

You can participate in our researches even you can enter the phase once per month

- End

I don't understand what he means when he says "Try to reduce 5-minute break, make less movements." Can anyone interpret this for me?

Edit: I also wanted to ask if I can skip step 1 and do step 2 before sleep. Step 1 is awakeing after 4 to 6 hours of sleep. And step 2 is going to sleep with an intention to have a ld (or ap).

https://obe4u.com/how-to-lucid-dream/

Thanks.

Ended up overworking when trying to use alarmy. I should've only used one phone (I used two) and it overwoke me I ended up shutting off both phones. It was also too loud.

Tried it last night. Went horrible I was only awaked once in the night. This was using xtreme alarm. I'll trying using alarmy but alarmy doesn't have a feature for auto-dismiss like xtreme.

Thanks.

Doe's anyone knows what

For 11-20 attempts (3-14 days) – 90%

means?

Thanks.

[Alarm Clock Xtreme]

I gave you an app suggestion only 5 posts up! I feel I am being pranked!  One more time dude, pay attention...
Alarm Clock Xtreme (by avg labs)
Download:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.alarmclock.xtreme.free&hl=en_US

And here is there support page on how to use it:
https://support.avg.com/SupportArticleView?l=en&urlName=AVG-Alarm-Clock-Xtreme-FAQ&q=Alarm+Clock+Xtreme+FAQs&supportType=home

You want to set the alarm for auto-shutoff.

Hi,
I wanted to know if there are any other alarm apps? The reason being that the alarm clock isn't loud enough.

Thanks.

[Alarm Clock Xtreme]

I gave you an app suggestion only 5 posts up! I feel I am being pranked!  One more time dude, pay attention...
Alarm Clock Xtreme (by avg labs)
Download:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.alarmclock.xtreme.free&hl=en_US

And here is there support page on how to use it:
https://support.avg.com/SupportArticleView?l=en&urlName=AVG-Alarm-Clock-Xtreme-FAQ&q=Alarm+Clock+Xtreme+FAQs&supportType=home

You want to set the alarm for auto-shutoff.

Thanks,
Just wanted to say the feature is called auto-dismiss.

Thanks.

[Don't move! Keep eyes shut.]

1. Program the app alarm to make the sound after 4-6 hrs of sleep (or, however many hours after falling asleep that works for YOU). Maybe do a test to find what sound and how long the sound plays before you go to bed.
2. Also set the alarm to auto-shut off, so you don't have to move to turn it off.
3. When it is bed time, set your alarm and go to bed.
4. Sleep.
5. During sleep, you will hear the alarm go off. Don't move! Keep eyes shut. The alarm should turn off automatically if you set it up right!
6. Perform Raduga technique.
7. Do same steps 1-6 for any days of the week you want to try.
8. Do not change technique for at least 1-2 months.

Which app can I use to do this technique? And also how do I set the app to turn off after a certain time?

Thanks.

He means an alarm app that makes an alarm sound then auto shuts off without you pushing anything on the phone to turn off. All I did was search the reddit LD sub because that question is asked a lot. Alarm Clock Xtreme by AVG Labs is suggested a lot for this purpose. You can program it to sound for X seconds and auto shut off it sounds like. I have iOS so I can't even endorse that app, just giving you one.

Could you or anyone else interpret his comment and tell me how to do the Raduga technique with the alarm he recommended?

Thanks.

I also got a reply on this forum

https://www.forum.obe4u.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&p=22847#p22847

the person said

"Other option , different from the above, you can use the alarm which can shut down immediately by itself after ring. When you are waken by the alarm , apply the indirect method routine immediately. Try your best to stay motionless and do not open your eyes . If motion accidently happened, just try to do the cycling for 4 round."

I don't know what they mean by "you can use the alarm which can shut down immediately by itself after ring"?

Thanks.

You should invest months and years seeing constant results and stopping doing this get fast results thing. You will see it.

Your first "sleep cycles" or rather the first NP experience chains you get from falling asleep each night, are containing all your mind noise mostly with a great chance so don't expect so much. Rather maybe from the second half of your sleep time. True for everything, even for being silent in your mind and trying out something like phasing or others. It is simply because you live up your crap each time you fall asleep as a beginner and you need to investigate the configuration about what and when to do. Don't rush like a busy spider here and there lol. If you try to know and do everything at once, it will be not so satisfying or you will lose interest quickly.

Thanks, like I said the only problem I have is the subsequent awakenings other than that I don't' have any problems. I just need to get the subsequent awakenings and I'll be good. Also, I might even do a Skype with Raduga so I can get first-hand info on how to do subsequent awakenings.

Thanks.

Tried it after awakening after one hour and 20 minutes last night. For some reason the past two nights I haven't been able to get the subsequent awakenings. When I sleep should the last thought be getting the awakenings? The hardest part is getting the awakenings.

Thanks.

Yeah, I ended up having two or three subsequent awakenings. Also, I had a dream that I was in times square NYC. Other than that I forgot to practice the exit/cycling techniques. Next time I'm going to practice so I can do it correctly.

Thanks.

Seems like it all depends on HOW you use the technique, or what you try after the lucid dream ends.

SSILD was designed in a way for people to do the cycles very casually, then simply go to sleep. That's exactly what CosmicIron suggests. However, some people may attempt to LD/OBE directly from waking state while performing the cycles. The other option is to attempt some (Raduga) phasing indirect method after the lucid dream ends.

Cosmic.Iron gives some insight how people may have had these. Here is part of his initial post on SSILD...
In case you didn't know, a DILD is basically when you are dreaming and then become lucid while dreaming (dream induced lucid dream). However, I put in bold the part where he mentions that some individuals simply change how they perform the technique and keep mind awake, body asleep can induce OBEs.

Thanks,
I'm going to try the Raduga technique instead. Could've done it last night because I had school canceled because of a snowstorm.

Thanks.

Hi,
Last night I set my alarm to awaken me after two and a half hours. The alarm didn't awaken me and I ended up awakening after 4 hours. I did the SSILD technique and was partially lucid in a dream. I ended up talking to a dream character and the dream then ended. I also recalled 5 or 6 dreams and had subsequent awakenings. Any advice on how to obe with the SSILD technique?

https://www.thelucidguide.com/Techniques/Senses-Initiated-Lucid-Dream-(SSILD)

Thanks.

Thanks for all the replies,
I wanted to ask should I try to go to sleep for 2 to 2 and a half hours and then wake up? The reason I'm asking is that I've tried awakening after 4 to 6 hours and I at least stay awake for 2 to 3 hours. Also I'm still trying the obe4u technique.

https://obe4u.com/how-to-lucid-dream/

Thanks.

If you manage to wake while feeling the drowsiness, that's usually a sign that you are close to the point B, or next to entering a non-physical experience. I've been trying after 4 hours or more of time but I find it difficult to stay aware and I end up missing the exit. However if you endure the heavy foggy sensations of grogginess you may likely end up having an experience. You can then do a rehearsal, try to visualize your last experience, and slowly but surely, you affirm it in you mind and you forget about your body, and done.

Yeah I ended up taking my meds last night and tried to awaken after 3 to 4 hours. I couldn't stay awake and went back to sleep. It usually happens (not being able to go back to sleep) when I don't take my meds. Like I said I took them last night and couldn't stay awake. What should I do?

Thanks.

Don't over-complicate it. You wake up, if you can fall back to sleep, use this command thing as your focus of intent. If you can't fall back to sleep normally, stand up or sit up, do something, which grabs your attention, then continue with sleep. Not a hard thing to do. Just use what fits you when you can't fall back to sleep. For me, I tend to use my smartphone to read or listen to something by sitting up or use my tablet to play something. This is not a big task. What is, trying to get rid of hundreds or thousands of experiences of full awareness experiences.

So should I try to stay awake for one to two hours or three hours and then go back to sleep. The reason I'm asking is that I used this technique before and got lucid dreams.

Thanks.

Luffy28, seriously, before falling asleep, say this to yourself a few times: I will be fully aware after falling asleep. Then fall asleep. Don't concentrate on anything, don't think. And you will be aware with practice and persistence after a while in the NP.

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Every time I try to awaken after four hours of sleep (or less) I end up staying awake. I need to know how to go back to sleep within staying awake for 3 to 5 minutes. Usually, within this time I stay awake. Any advice.

Thanks.

Can you tell me how to use it so I can have lucid dreams/obes?

Thanks.

Have you tried the alarm clock method?  lucidology.com has a Lucid Dream Timer.

No. How do I use it? Also, what will the lucid dream timer do?

Edit:
I also have lucidology 101 - 103

Thanks.

You could.  Those are just suggested times for the average individual, but not everyone is the same of course.  You have to really explore yourself and discover what works best for you.

If you're having a hard time falling back to sleep you could try to just lay on your back with your hands to your side and don't move.  Even if you have the urge to move, don't.  This overwhelming urge to move or repositioning your body is your brain's signal testing if your body is asleep or not.  By not moving you are signaling to your brain that your body is asleep.  Sometimes this is a good method to induce sleep paralysis.  Also, don't entertain or focus on the thoughts that flood your brain, but don't try to avoid them either.  That can be just as worse as focusing on them and is still hard to fall back to sleep.  Just let your thoughts flow naturally into and out of your brain without attaching to them.  If you are still struggling with thoughts and emotions that are keeping you awake try focusing only on the ringing within your ears and your third eye at the same time.  This can give you the sensation of 3D blackness, and you have better success at falling asleep.  During this method, you will most likely start to see hypnogogic images.  Keep focusing on the ringing in your ears and the hypnogogic imagery.  The bonus to this is that your brain is actively focusing on just a couple things which is enough to cause your body to fall asleep but keeps your brain active enough to remain conscious - Mind awake, body asleep.

These are just suggestions of course.  There are tons more methods, but these are the ones I normally use, along with some others, to help induce projections of consciousness.  Again, everyone is different, so you'll just have to play around with as many methods as you can until you find the right fit.

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I really need to know how to awaken multiple times during sleep so I can try to do an obe / ld? Any advice?

Thanks.