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Don Juan teaches a technique for becoming and strengthening lucidity in dreams.  every other culture calls what we call lucid dreaming just dreaming.  so, don juan talks about dreaming a lot and he means lucid dreaming.

anyway.  he teaches a technique where you look at your hands in the dream, when they start to blur and warp you look to some other object.  then the same thing, when it starts to distort you look back to your hands.  you keep doing that until the dream becomes stable.

he also teaches a meditation technique that i've done almost daily for ten years since i first read the books.  its easy, you just walk.  there are some specifics.  you close your hands in a fist with your thumbs pointing out perpendicular to your body.  the other, and most important step, is to not focus on anything with your eyes.  let your gaze wander, never focus on one object for any length of time.  then just walk.  you'd be surprised at how smoothly you move, how nimbly.  you never trip, you never fall.  naturally you'd wanna do this where you had room to walk without being in danger.  it's a great meditation.

my best astral friend is a rabbit, she's my spirit animal.

you can do whatever you want in the astral.  enjoy your dinosaur.

Amazing book![]
It literally changed my life. In fact if it weren't for that book i may not be sitting here reading this message board []
A lot of people say it is all just made up, but it doesn't matter to me. If it is, it doesn't take anything away from it in my opinion.
Good review anarchyhollow! []

The first few are great.  The later books are a bit thin.

Some people think it's all fake.  Others don't.  I don't have an opinion.

It changed my life too.

@pegamoide12345

I love me some Bruce Goldberg, but he's a hypnotherapist, not a projector.  He jumped on the new age band wagon and sold some books.

I still like him though.  I just use his hypnosis techniques and leave the astral to my own mind to discover.

Thank you NoY.   

I've missed chatting with you.

-PR

This is a personal theory of mine that is shared by some writers, like John Magnus.

You have to work out your psychological issues first.  You have to gain control of your subconscious so that you can direct your mind.

Like I've said, in the past, in occult groups, adepts weren't even allowed to attempt astral projection until they had mastered their own mind.  It's still much the same in many eastern traditions like Taoism or Buddhism (for the monks anyway).

I'll PM you later with some things you can do to work on that, but right now I've got to head out to handle some stuff.

@PSynergy

You're right.  The harder you try, the worse it gets.

That's an old adage around here..."you're trying to hard"

sounds like a plan.

i had just never really tried a method like that, i stuck to my tried and true techniques.  but this worked much faster.  so i'm gonna try it some more and i'll let you know how it goes.

I use a technique (used it today actually) where I visualize myself above a river of black water flowing off into the distance.  as my racing thoughts come i let them drop in the river and flow away. 

sometimes it takes a few seconds, sometimes a few minutes.  but it always works.

the advice about building a foundation is extremely appropriate as well.

in the past, an adept wasn't even allowed to attempt projection until they had mastered many other skills, most importantly, various forms of meditation.  meditate for 10 minutes twice a day, once in the morning and once in the evening.  everyone can find an extra 20 minutes a day to sit silently for a little bit.  keep doing it and it will GREATLY improve your ability to focus.

So, I decided to try projecting today.  (Been in a dry spell due to health related stuff, nothing serious)

I laid down for my normal routine, progressive relaxation, some deep breathing, but then I decided to try something a little different for me.  Normally at this point I would have focused on my body and creating a falling sensation throughout.  But today I decided on a whim to go back to the ol' stare at the blackness technique, only I modified it slightly. 

Instead of waiting for shapes to appear or whatever, I focused intently on my "mind screen" (the place where your third eye is).  Once focused there I remembered an old trick I used to use where I drew energy in through the third eye to intersect at the line between my ears (which is roughly the pineal gland).  But this time I thought back to Robert Bruce's "reaching out for the vibrations" concept.  So what I did was created a vortex of energy going away from my third eye and I visualized it to look something like the wormholes from the stargate series.  the vortex was turbulent looking and so i focused on that turbulence and thought of it as "vibrations" and pulled them toward me or pulled myself toward them.

Within moments of doing this my hands were loose, which never happens to me.  Usually my whole body goes loose all at once.  So I decided the best course of action was to use the rope method at this point and slowly reached up to my imaginary rope, took one tug and my whole body just came loose.  Then I was off.  If you care about the experiences I had (one of which was kind of cool) you can read about it on my journal. 

But the technique itself is the important part.

After my relaxation and deep breathing, i created and outward flowing vortex from my third eye, focused there for a little while and once i felt that i was "trancey" enough, i pulled the vibrations of the vortex toward me and in a matter of minutes I was out of my body.

just hold your hands about 6-12 inches apart, like you're holding a ball and focus on generating energy in between.

you can pull the energy from your environment or from yourself, it doesn't matter.

the more you practice, you'll start to feel the buildup of energy between your hands.

i knew a guy, a customer at a job i had, and he would always walk around "rolling a psi ball around in his hands", if that makes sense.  after he did it for a few minutes you could put your hand in between his and feel the pressure of the energy he generated.  it was neat.

What I've come to realize is that there is only "one" realm.

What we call the physical is nothing but a mere point of view in relation to what we call the non-physical.

I'm starting to see how interconnected "here" and "there" really are.  They're two sides of the same coin?  Sort to speak.

They're so interconnected that sometimes it's hard to tell where one ends and the other begins.

Oh I don't disagree at all.  It's just easier to explain it this way.  It's just like Yin and Yang are a whole, which is why in their most common symbol there is a little yin in the yang and a little yang in the yin.  They are inseparable.

In the aboriginal dreamtime paradigm.  the dreamtime provides the form for the physical and the physical provides the dreamtime with purpose. 

The same for Jung's archetypes.  They aren't inert concepts, they are the basis of our reality and we in turn function through them.

Even better, Earth is one planet with a night and a day.  It isn't a different planet at night or during the day, it's just a different perspective.

I don't wish to be misinterpreted.

My intention was to say that we sometimes try to hard to tell others how it's done, when in fact it is an extremely personal experience.  Others have walked the path, but we cannot walk the same path.  This just lets us know that it can be done, that we can do it too.

I chose my screen name with great care.  We each live a personal reality and that applies to both our physical and non-physical lives.

It's a difficult point that I'm trying to make.  I suppose I just feel that the Astral Projection information out there is misleading and people come here with ideas implanted in their minds about what the "right way" to do this is.  My point is that there is no right way and we do disservice saying that there is. 

There are two realms.  Physical and non-physical.

Society and its expectations have changed.  In the recent past (Early 1900's), it was occult groups doing the projecting.  These people took it as a serious spiritual practice that was the other side of their physical lives. 

Today, projection comes more out of New Age movements, and sorry to say it, fads.  I don't think people take it quite as seriously as they once did.  Modern society is based in technology, not imagination.  I believe that has effected what people expect to perceive.

Projection is meant to be a means of accessing the inner realities, a way to commune with one's own self at the deepest level (that of the source).  I believe that understanding has been lost on modern humans.

[We who know understand it to be no facile escapism, but a hard and testing – though infinitely rewarding – struggle toward the truth of what we ourselves are, what our place in the universe is, and what our duties are before God and the rest of creation.]

Our Failure As Guides And Mentors

I am writing this post as an open letter to all long time members, newcomers, lurkers, casual observers and anyone else who happens to stop by to see what Astral Pulse is all about.  I've been a member here for a while, not as long as some, but I've been around long enough for many of you to get to know me.  I've shared my personal problems with you and I've also shared my sometimes harsh opinions as well.  Some members respect me for it, some think I'm a jerk and it's alright either way.

I took a sabbatical from this forum recently, partially because of some personal issues in my life, but mostly because I had lost faith in what I believed were the reasons that this forum existed in the first place.  I fear that the society we have created and helped to evolve over the years is not what it was meant to be and I intend to make my peace by telling you all how I really feel about what it is that we do here. 

I will begin with a quote from a great mystic by the name of Gareth Knight in his foreword for one of my favorite books, "Walkers Between The Worlds" by John and Caitlin Matthews:

"Here is a book that answers a great need of our times – and it answers it very well.
That need is for a rational and informed description of how to apprehend the forces that form the structure of the 'inner worlds,' those hidden forces that underpin and mold the outer world, which we know through our physical senses, for a realization of the need to come to terms with these other dimensions of reality is fast coming upon Western man.

Those who have not yet understood this need are at times dismayed by what they see as a flight from reason.  However, we ought to realize this flight for what it is.  It is not a mindless rout of the irresponsible but the winging pinions of an informed institution no longer content with an intellectual preoccupation with surface appearances.

Others decry what they choose to describe as 'dabbling in the occult,' which they consider either idly foolish or perversely misguided.  While we, too, would not wish to encourage the occult dilettante, those of us who have spent more years in this research than we care to remember feel, with all due humility, that we have gained rather than lost in wisdom and human fulfillment.

There is no shortage among us of able, responsible citizens – even if those less well informed may sometimes grasp incredulously when confronted with our view of the truth.  We who know understand it to be no facile escapism, but a hard and testing – though infinitely rewarding – struggle toward the truth of what we ourselves are, what our place in the universe is, and what our duties are before God and the rest of creation.

...Crises pass, or come to pass.  Man's relationship to eternity lasts forever."

One of the reasons that I stopped contributing to this forum for a while was because of reading that book and a couple of others.  People here just don't get it, they don't understand what Astral Projection really is.  Because of the people that started this forum, I believe that it was given a particular "character" that focuses on the modern day, "mainstream" idea of what Astral Projection is and completely disregards the truth of the practice.  Occasionally someone might mention ancient Egyptians or something, but people don't seem to understand that Astral Projection is as old religion itself.  And by religion I mean the individual's connection with nature, with the whole of reality. 

To me, Astral Projection is the means by which humans reconnect with who and what they are at the deepest level possible.  It was how tribal leaders healed their people, how they maintained the connection with the universe for their people.  It's so much more than just a fun thing to do or a way to "contact your guides" or whatever people choose to do it for.  I'm not saying that their reasons aren't "noble", just that they don't heed the true nature of what they are doing.  I just wish that more people could make the connections to understand how Astral Projection goes by so many different names and has been practiced by so many people for eons.  Instead, they try to take the mystery out of it and make it some scientific endeavor.  I'm not opposed to true science, but what modern humans practice is not true science in a general sense.  They are so desperate to break Projection down to some fundamental parts and they can't see the forest through the trees as it were. 

Granted, I believe this forum is here to serve the newcomer, to help them find direction.  But I feel that as a whole, the forum lacks the true appreciation for what Astral Projection really is and in the end we perpetuate an incomplete notion of the amazing practice to which we have access.  I mean, look at this "Astral Academy" stuff.  Adrian has turned it into a business.  Yes, the forum is free, but to get to the forum you have to first accept the marketing, like this skill is not free.  If we could only share the entirety of what it is we're really doing here, I think so many more people would be successful.

I came back because I felt like I could help people, and I'll continue to do so, but I wish that so much more could be taught.  This is magic and magic is science that we have been conditioned to believe is backwards and superstition.  But in truth, magic is the science of our mind, our soul, our being.  To grasp that and tug on the thread that will unravel the mystery of who and what we are is what I believe to be our true purpose.  And Astral Projection, phasing, pathworking, soul travel, walking between the worlds, dreaming, active imagination, meditation, remote viewing, psychic vision, mediumship, whatever you wanna call it, is the path.  We all must walk it differently, but it is the darkness that validates the light of our waking life.  Darkness has a negative connotation to most people, but not to me.  I love darkness, I love the idea of it, the shadow is where the mystery connects to the glory in of the light. 

I think there is a bigger picture that is neglected and we need to recognize that.

-PR

i'm gonna say touche and victory at the same time.

great bedeekin.

i should have invested more time in graphic design.  i still do it the old fashioned way.  oil paint and canvas.

There was a lot of scientific information discovered by much more ancient civilizations than the Muslims than modern science.

Sumerian, Hindus, Aryans, Mayans, etc.

Most of which predate modern science by at least 3000 years, and up to 6000+

Dreams involve some form of a physical or non physical visual sense. If you are able to completely eliminate this visual sense from your projections, you will have a better chance to find yourself in the real time zone with an etheric proprioception (motion) sense of your immediate surroundings.

Sometimes you can still have the visual sense in the real time zone and not fall into a dream. But, this is somewhat difficult to do.

Classic OBE's are not lucid dreams.

Lucid dreams = visual sense.

Classic OBE's = etheric proprioception (motion) sense.

Lucid dreams are contained in an internal subjective environment.

Classic OBE's are contained in an external energy environment

It is common to have a combination of a classic OBE and a lucid dream at the same time. For example, you are having a classic OBE in the energy environment, then your vision sense wakes up (clarity now), then you start to feel yourself slip into a dream.

sorry todd, i like you, but that's the bullcrap that confuses people and makes projection difficult.  people are expecting all these experiences and it never goes the way they expect and they fail.

you may be 100% right, but for a newbie, the best approach in my opinion is that of the uncarved block.  let them be free of expectations and bias.  just tell them how to induce trance and then let them go from there.  it's all we can do.  this is such a subjective experience, it's too difficult to tell someone what to expect and to define every little thing.  when you do that you lose sight of the forest for the trees.

no offense though, really.  i'm not saying you're wrong at all, just i've learned over the years that the more complicated we make this, the harder it gets for people.

that's a typical evil eye amulet.

to me it's superstition.  but hey, i don't know everything.

It's called the "evil eye".

It's popular in middle eastern spiritual traditions and in some asian cultures (like india).  It has become popular in the New Age movement in the west as well.

The general idea is that you essentially get cursed because someone gives you the "evil eye".

You can get amulets and rings and stuff that depict an eye that is meant to be protection from the curse.

If you believe in that sort of thing.

This is a subject I've been pounding into this forum for a while.

There are two sides of reality.  Our physical life and our non-physical life.

The labels "OBE, LD, Astral Projection, Active Imagination, Dream Walking, Pathworking, etc." are all just names that people have given the same experience over the years.  You've gotta understand that OBE is not a new phenomenon.  It's something that humans have been doing for eons.  Different cultures go about it in different ways and call it different things.

The fundamental point to understand is that it's not important to label your experience.  No matter what, you're experiencing the "other worlds".  The more accurate understanding would be to think of your experience as a continuum of awareness.  Sometimes you're very clear and cognizant in these experiences, sometimes they are fuzzy.  Once you try to define each particular experience you are detracting from the experience itself. 

So forget naming it and just go with it.  Just feel it, experience it and learn from it.   

Had that happen on numerous occasions.

Its only one of my three cats that sees me though.  My black cat.

Wow..so sorry I haven't replied to this but just saw it now as I was going to post my next experience...Gosh..controlling people, killing with a thought?...definitely not what I'm doing!!  lol  But yes, walking between worlds, which in essence is between the minds because we are all ONE! Thanks for the post...next experience coming up now!   -Karen   www.karen659.com

I just found in to be a terribly interesting coincidence.  While the motives of the Dreamwalkers in the books is not of the highest nobility, the methods used are practically identical to what we do.  It reminds me of Inception (that movie has been on cable a lot, so I've been watching it) when leo has ellen page in their first shared dream and he explains how in a dream our mind work so fast that they create and perceive almost simultaneously.  For them it's the ability to interrupt that process and "slip in between it" that allows them to do their work.  The Dreakwalkers in the novels do much the same.  They slip in between the spaces in thoughts, in between perception and reaction.

It's all just great metaphor for what we do, and in some cases, actual technique.  I love finding those subtle little references in pop-culture.

Anyway, great journal.  Much more dedicated than me.

I'm amazed how everyone jumps to these inane conclusions... haven't any of you considered the idea that maybe people just either don't KNOW anything about this spiritual side of life or they just plainly don't want to?

Nah... that'd be too simple.  There's GOTTA be a conspiracy behind it instead.  >_<

You're naive if you don't think that the government intentionally teaches us impractical knowledge to keep us in line.  That's what capitalism is all about.  We're all taught to be good little robots who will reproduce and be good workers.  The Matrix isn't just a movie. 

I'm not denying that people just don't want to know the other side of reality or that they just don't know, but they don't know because we're taught to think those kinds of things are stupid.  Think about it.  What do the scientists say about our dreams and "Astral Projection"?  That it's all silly and we're deluded to believe in such things.

There is a conspiracy.  That word isn't dirty.  All it means is that a group of people plan things without letting others know what the plan is.  They teach us to think that conspiracy is stupid and only people with tin foil hats believe in such things.  But it's not.  It's real and they don't want us to know the truth about who and what we are.  They want us to be neurotic and on their drugs.  Whether their drugs are pharmaceutics or street drugs, they keep us loaded so we won't question our reality. 

We are a unique group.  We are seekers of truth.  It is our job as guides and mentors to let people know about the other side of the coin, about the yin to the yang of the world they've made for us to live in.  They want us to fear the darkness within us, but the darkness isn't bad.  It's our heritage.  It defines our physical life in the light.  Or vice versa. 

You know better Ryan.  You are one of us.  Take responsibility for the souls that we're here to save.  That is our job.  To know ourselves and point others toward their selves.  We can't do it for them, but we can point out that others have walked the path and it is possible, they just need to find their light and head toward it.  We can point them toward that light and let them find themselves.  We are here to help them learn that they way they were taught to live, out of pure reaction and no thought, is detrimental to the sovereignty of their soul, their being, their whole self.  It really is us versus them and we are waking up from the false reality they feed us. 

Fight the good fight.

As they say, "Quit bitching and start a revolution". 

Well, that's what we're doing.  Starting a spiritual revolution. 

Ok, my rant is done.

-PR