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Volgerle and Skeptic have given you wonderful answers. I am sorry for your loss and offer my condolences. I know how hard this is even when you know they are fine.

He is where he needs to be and the greatest gift I believe we can give the dying or the dead is positive energy and thoughts.

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Thanks!

My condolences on your loss Plasma! 

This new article on Yahoo's main page might help you see things in a different "light".

Do not just read the article, the real healing is in the comment section below it. Many people there also are sharing either their own or a loved one's experience with NDEs as well.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/woman-died-27-minutes-writes-161046083.html

The heading should say, "Women who died for 27 minutes writes a "awe inspiring" note after she is resuscitated".  The word "chilling" is not what I would have used.

Yes my NDE research has been critical to my spiritual development. In fact I would have never accepted astral projection if it wasn't for my NDE research that was a stepping stone to higher more mystical spiritual experiences and understandings.

Other than that my brother was burred yesterday, I think I can leave this behind me and move on with my life. My brother knows I am very strong emotionally.

My condolences, sorry to hear this. It must be hard for you. Even though we know down here that our beloved ones carry on their soul life elsewere it is always hard when they leave the Earth theater where we played together in our roles.

My humble suggestion would be not to worry and ask the question (which here no one can answer for sure unless one is capable of visiting him) if he is fine. Getting active in the process is better. Despite the grieving you can also use it to make prayers or affirmations directed at him or/and his guides for a good and successful transition. It might be work for him because he might have to work some stuff out for him (but we all will have to) but the energy and loving/caring thought you send him are like a beacon that will reach him. I've heard these stories a lot. Affirmations, good wishes from the heart, strong helping intent and prayers reach and aid those who just left this plane.

Many years ago an old school buddy of mine chose to cut his life short with suicide. I then also put out the intent that he has a good transition and is helped and cared for and finds his way home or wherever is best for him in his soul evolution.
Months later in my dream he appeared to me in fine clothing (indicating he was 'well off' and fine) and thanked me for 'carrying' him or 'being a carrier' for him. I did not get it in that dream but later I could interpret it as the intent I had put out and that it successfully had reached him and his guides. It's about the directed energy and love we emanate then. It helps to 'carry' them onwards and upwards.

I just sent him some positive energy and words of guidance. Hope that helps.  

Plasma, that's horrible.  I'm sorry for you and your family.  That's not something anyone ever needs to go through.

To answer your question, he's fine.

The end of his life was actually rather peaceful. He didn't waste away in a hospital or anything like that. Though he might have had a heart attack, alcohol induced, it was rather short and quick. I guess you can say he died in his sleep.

And thanks for the reassurance. This place has really helped me overcome my fear of hell and death. Not that I plan on ending my life as I have indicated in the past, but helped me keep my sanity from going into dark places it shouldn't be.

My sincere condolences over the death of your brother.
I can assure you that your brother is perfectly ok  but if you ask me how I know this
I will not be able to explain. I trust universe/reality/god (whatever you might call it) 100% and all I know that your brother is exactly where he is supposed to be , he died at the right moment not one minute sooner or later. Your brother is just fine , do not seek for the logical answer , our limited physical mind is not capable to handle this. Meditate on " God is everything, God is good. God is reality , reality is good. " To argue with reality is recipe for suffering and confusion.
Your brother maybe asking the same question about you now.
Do your part , accept what happened with clear mind and deep understanding that all is just the way it should be ! 

Peace and Love

Skeptic     

Thanks for your words of encouragement. IDK that Chris is with my dad yet, but I'm pretty sure that he's OK. I know Szaxx told me about the lower bad lands, but from what he said it's extremely hard to find such places.

I know what yous will probably say, but I just need some assurance that he is OK. But at the same time be honest and let me know if any of you think that he could go to a lower vibrational dimension because of the alcoholism.

The thing that sucks the most is that he was only 35 years old, he wanted to live, he just found some vodka of mine, poured 2-3 cups and now hes dead. Everyone is shocked. It's believed that he died of a heart attack alcohol related, they are doing an autopsy.

Thanks.

To answer that properly, I would have to believe that that statement is true, which I don't. So, there's my answer I guess.

We came here to this physical realm to experience and "learn" from those experiences. The good, bad and ugly are all said experiences. Unfortunately, it's the bad and ugly that hold some of the most profound lessons in our lives.

Yeah agreed.

I tend to think that if the rapist were to one day face the awful things he had done and sought forgiveness and worked to become a better person he would have a better fate. Of course that would depend on his own personal beliefs.

Of course that is assuming the bible is correct. Something I think most of us here have trouble with. I personally don't care much what the bible says, it raises more loose ends and dilemmas than it answers.

You bring up an interesting dichotomy which is on the one hand scripture seems to promote the idea that we can be forgiven according to forgiveness we seek. Or as Christians say ask forgiveness from God. And on the other hand this scripture seems to point out that God will only forgive you if others their sins.

Plasma, how do you "know" for sure that in this case, the boy and the rapist didn't make a plan, (before they both incarnated here in the physical), to be raped, thus helping the boy experience something he came here to experience ? The event then might just lead the boy down a certain path in life, like opening up a Center for those that suffer as well from any form of abuse.
There are many people that report becoming "Light Workers" after experiencing some kind of extreme "darkness" in their own lives.

Just another way to look at it!

Yeah I suppose that is possible that they made that deal. But then the question still remains what does it mean to not forgive others and then God won't forgive them?

Also yeah I too have experienced extreme darkness in my life and now I understand life and the spiritual on such a deeper level.

Obviously forgiving ourselves and others at the energetic level, and psychological level is important.

But the Bible seems to portray a different level of forgiveness The Bible says:

Matthew 6:14-15 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

How do you think this works?

Personally I think that this scripture could work like this. Let's say there is a boy that is rapped as a child. And the boy doesn't overcome the trauma by it and which causes him to be unable to succeed in life. Then when both of them die the person that rapped the boy will get a worser reincarnation because the boy couldn't forgive the perpetrator and make something of their life. But if the boy did forgive the rapist and was able to overcome in life regardless of the trauma then then because the consequences turned out more positive then God will forgive the rapist by giving the rapist a better reincarnation for healing.

This is the only practical way in which this forgiveness thing could work I tend to think. Thoughts?

Here are a few recommendations for audio books:

Adventures in the Afterlife - William Buhlman
How to Have an Out of Body Experience - William Buhlman

Lucid Dreaming: Gateway to the Inner Self - Robert Waggoner

Lucid Dreaming Made Easy: A Beginner's Guide to Waking Up in Your Dreams - Charlie Morley

A Field Guide to Lucid Dreaming: Mastering the Art of Oneironautics- Dylan Tuccillo, Jared Zeizel, Thomas Peisel

Dream Gates - Robert Moss

Reality Unveiled: The Hidden Keys of Existence That Will Transform Your Life (and the World) - Zaid Masri

Thanks I'll look through these and see which would be a good first fit for my brother.

Yes, my recommendation would be 'Journey's Out of the Body' by Bob Monroe.

This book is not a technical book on how to have OBE's.  I think it is a good introduction to the subject matter since Bob describes his strange experiences he had and how he tried to investigate them further when he finally realized he wasn't ill or dying.  There are certainly many technical books out there for people practicing astral projection but I don't think that is what your brother is looking for at this time.  There are also many good audio books on the introduction to Lucid Dreaming.

The only thing I don't like about Bob Monroe is that he speaks in odd ways sometimes. What would be your next two picks?

Your description of your brother sounded a lot like myself a few years ago.  Even though I had a couple of OBE's over the past decades I didn't really know what happened and I was completely unaware of astral projection.  I am an avid audio book listener and a few years ago I came across Bob Monroe's books.  It sounded interesting so I thought I would give it a try.  I was hooked instantly since it helped explain my past experiences.  Whether or not Bob got things right or not isn't really the point.  I was glad I started with his books since every other audio book I've listened to or book I've read all talk about Bob.  I would have eventually read them anyways to find out who he was!  Anyways, I listen to and read as many books I can on the subject so there could certainly be better first listens but either way I was hooked.

So are you recommending Bob Monroe as a first audio book for my brother? Or would there be a better first read for him. I would say one that doesn't drill in the idea that astral projection is an objective reality outside of the physical. And I would add one that is inspirational. Since he's not really into this kind of thing right now. He only said he would listen to an audio book because of my recent astral projection.

OK so my brother said that he might listen to an audio book about astral projection. He's a very smart guy and has his bachelors in computer science. He's a no non-sense kind of guy believing the material world is all that there is. What audio book about astral projection would be best for an atheist, naturalist, materialistic kind of guy like himself?

On a side note he tired lucid dreaming years ago but felt himself falling and he got scared and came back and never tried it again. But he might be willing to try it again.

Nah, I don't think that.  You're not brutally honest at all.
You simply lack the means to put into words the thoughts you have in a manner which doesn't make you sound like a cold, heartless person.  LOL 

I'd probably stay away from "teaching" people at this point until you get a firm grip on that.

Well both are probably true actually.

I'd say Lucid Awareness experience... if you were Astrally Aware, you wouldn't have doubted your flying.

In the end, it doesn't REALLY matter though... the point was that you were consciously aware to a fairly good degree. 

Is a lucid awareness experience a type of out of body experience?

So given what I just added what do you think Xanth?

I agree.... My children practice this (one more so than the other) and we talk about it all the time and I try and take the information I learn on this form and try and get them to interact more and show them, the best I can at this point.

My boy is really into this. He is nine now and was always telling me about people showing up in his dreams and i finally got him looking at them as guides to help him and when they show up to interact and not just be afraid or ignore them. But to engage and ask question that he may have or to ask for help with one thing or another.

okay good well I'm not the only one here that thinks this way.

The more I post on forums the more I realize how brutally honest I can be about the truth. While others seem to be in denial or something.

Plasma, the words you use just make me CRINGE while reading. Need, Require, Push....wow, just wow.

well if you want to raise your kids to be passive accepting of our true nature that's a sad state. We push and even force our kids to go to school to school, play sports, eat finish their food all kinds of things, but not astral projection really?

LOL  Yes, it's too much to *REQUIRE* them to do it... that's such a command statement.  Children don't work with commands all that well.
They will naturally project.  That's just what children do.  Just let them do their thing and don't discourage them when it comes to them telling you all about their flying dreams.

*Most* adults tell their kids that "dreaming" is just all in their heads or not real... don't be like that.  Listen intently to their experiences and encourage them to continue it.
I'd just stick with listening and encouraging them.  When they get a bit older to understand and grasp the concepts of Projection, then you can probably start having discussions along those lines. 

Well when I say require I mean push them to practice astral projecting. I wouldn't force them to do it if they really didn't want to do it.

So it's not too much to ask that I require them to learn how then?

Well, from just reading what you've said above... everything up until you said "I started becoming conscious of my flying abilities" is the first indication you made where it feels like you started to realize you were non-physical.  So up until that point you were having what I call a "dream awareness non-physical experience".  You weren't consciously aware you were dreaming.
Depending entirely upon how much awareness you had of your "physical self" would dictate whether it was a lucid awareness or astral awareness experience.

Well to be more clear I knew I was in the non-physical from the beginning. I just started doubting my flying which hindered my ability to fly.

So I want to get married and have children. Like I have a very strong instinctive urge to do this. I want to teach them how to astral project. Do you think it's fair that I require them to learn how to do it? Thanks.

EDIT: When I say require I mean pushing them to practice. I wouldn't force them to do it if they didn't want to. after all we push and even require our kids to do all kinds of things including eating their broccoli. 😂

So I went back to bed and tried to phase inward with what I learned from this astral projection experience and I didn't astral project but I felt closer to consciously astral projecting than I usually have.

Hi everyone, so it's been a long time since I've astral projected. And this if the first time it felt so complete. But still because it wasn't as vivid as I thought it should be I wonder if just maybe it was a lucid dream. So I was in a dream in a store and I saw a truck outside with a camera on it. I flicked off the camera on the truck because I don't like surveillance. Then I walked toward the door. And two black men walked up to me and one of them shot me in the neck. Some fear came over me. I fell to the ground. Not like a brick but slowly. As that was happening I felt like I was literally dying. I wasn't sure what was going on other than I felt my whole body and being phase inward. Like the astral projection reflex was triggered. I felt a calm buzzing come over my whole body as I phased inward. It felt so natural. Like I felt myself my consciousness falling inward. Never felt anything like that in my life. Then I felt my astral body physically leave my physical body at this point. I found myself in the astral. Not in the real time zone, some place else. And I got up and flew to the other room. It was dark outside. I saw a cat which we don't have a cat. Then I jumped out of the window. Then I flew to some high rise buildings. As I was flying around the high rise buildings I started becoming conscious of my flying abilities and so I started to doubt and my ability to fly slowed down. Then I just focused on flying normally again and it happened.  And I went inside one of them and saw people walking around in a this mall. I saw the tellers. The place was brightly lit. Then I thought wait a minute. What if I actually died. Then at that point. I thought of my body and phased back into it. Like fully and completely my whole consciousness phased back into my physical body. I couldn't believe it when I woke up. I was so happy that I woke up everyone in my home and told them about it.  The whole experience felt like I was far away from my physical body.

Note I just recently switched up my sleeping medicines and so now I am much more energetic and feel much better. And my pre-diabetes is clearing up from this medicine switch. And as a side benefit it seems that now I am now astral projecting.

Could this have been a lucid dream? Personally I am pretty damn sure that it was an astral projection if not for any other reason than my death and return felt so complete and real. But at the same time I felt like it could have been more vivid like the details of the astral projection. Or maybe I just don't remember that. But I've had lucid dreams before and this didn't feel like that at all. If this was a lucid dream this is the best damn lucid dream of my life. Thoughts?

EDIT: In case someone wants to try the combination of sleep aids that caused this astral projection it was a double to triple low dose naltrexone, and vitafusion sleepwell.

Thank you all for your energy, healing and love.

My husband passed peacefully Saturday morning. I am eternally grateful that he did not struggle but rather passed with a single gentle sigh.

I'm glad to hear that. Thanks for letting us know.

There's at least one other LD, AP, OBE forum that's still VERY active and has been for many years.

Which one is that?