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I've spent all this time studying the physics of it, and I can say you are certainly born with it or not born with it. The act of astral projection relies on a set of biological systems that interact with plasmic fields to produce a nearly mass-free secondary body. Like any biological system, its efficiency varies from person to person, and the Western working class has all but phased it out, leaving people mostly locked in the physical except for a number of family lines that can still do it.

So while it can take practice, you have to have the necessary systems to do it in the first place. If you can then you're privileged.

For the rest of us, astral projection would require aid such as machinery or drugs.

desert-rat that is amazing that you have tried to ap for 25 years without success.  If that was me, I would have got desperate.  I would have stayed up all night until I ap.

I've been trying for almost 20 years. Tried staying up all night quite a few times.
It turns out the ability is genetic. A bunch of biological systems have to function correctly to produce an astral projection, and some people are just born with it. Most would like to think that their ability to project is a skill and they're self-made but that's really not the case.

at least when criminals put you in jail for it
but there's a fix for that

If weed-haters were dead, we wouldn't have to listen to that stuff. Sounds good doesn't it?

Y'know, violent, deadly force is being used against people who smoke weed. This is a criminal act, and the people guilty of harming others for smoking a plant will have to be tracked down to their homes and brought to justice before they cause further harm.

Debating the legality of weed is idiotic. It's like if your neighbor stabbed you for planting a garden, and the neighborhood responded by debating whether or not gardens should be allowed.

Peace and light.

Never mind. I get the feeling it'll be used for rotten purposes.

Some people are way ahead in this area. Check out orgone generators and resonance tech.

That didn't address either point that I made. You feeling okay?

I'm glancing through these. They're the usual self-deception methods. Stuff that only works if you can already project anyway.

so, do any of these work?

being unhappy means something is wrong. The solution is to solve whatever is wrong.

it was just someone talking. I wouldn't worry about other selves (or try to make them higher in some way) unless you have multiple personality disorder.

It's fairly normal to hear things in theta state, but not so normal to be alert of them or remember them. So I would say this happened because you were falling asleep so fast. It didn't leave your mind much time to become disoriented like when people normally fall asleep.

The voices can be anyone, so you shouldn't believe everything they say. I've heard some say things that were just lies.

Technically it does, yes, as pseudo-skeptics have no interest in science. You could say the mainstream public believes the astral is fake (and you would be wrong again) but you can't refer to this belief as science, and so we can conclude that mainstream science recognizes the astral.

It's rigged.

is this going to be another 'love bad things' thread?

I think the new agers only consider it love if someone is in pain, so suicide probably won't count as love in their book. Except maybe a failed suicide.

suffering is also not the big bad evil thing that most people believe it to be.

That was insightful.

dimensions are a mathematical concept

If the Disclosure guy is behind this, then there's a rotten agenda here.

I tried for over 10 years, myself. Off and on of course. It's a genetic thing - the people who can AP using the usual methods are simply born with better bio-etheric systems that are suited for this. They are not self-made as they would like to think, but they'll repeatedly tell you to use methods that work only for them.

I've been getting involved with machinery that could enable anyone to astral project.  The 'naturals' tend to get a little mad about this.

Your subconscious is an amazing processor. It never ceases to amaze me of the brilliance it holds when one quiets one's brain chatter and allows it to have the floor for a while.

Boy, the stuff mods can get away with saying

I was in a trance the other day and realized that I was using a lot of energy. Physical energy - I actually have to go into my trances a half-hour after eating, otherwise I'll run low on nutrition quickly, and my ability to to function and telepathize runs dry. These trances use a tremendous amount of energy just for etheric biological systems.

I've also noticed that dreaming requires a lot of energy. Sleep itself conserves energy, but when you're dreaming, your etheric form is going to other places and using energy to function. Sometimes you'll be in the middle of a great dream and you're able to fly and be free and do things, but gradually your freedom wears off as your energy depletes. You start to have complications flying, you can't move as fast, sometimes there's a predator coming for you that you can't seem to avoid, then eventually you wake up. I've noticed this pattern happening many times.

We've always thought of energy as only going toward physical actions, but that's seeming less true. You actually need to have heightened energy to sleep well. If your energy is too low at night, you can't sleep properly and instead go into a sort of stupor with no dreams or bad dreams, and wake up feeling bad. Conversely, when you're awake and feel a little too energetic, it's actually the jitters resulting from a lack of energy (adrenaline released so you don't get dangerously low). See, when your energy is genuinely high, you feel calm.

I'm wondering if we belong in a heightened, calm, trance/dream state, but we 'wake up' and revert back to our everyday state of mind when we run out of energy and need more.

we're learning all sorts of bad things about you today

Draconians and Zetans, to name a few of many, and the camps are setup by Draconians. The evil-doers in political/capitalistic forces stem from the cult of the Anunnaki (an Orion-based criminal group) and their family lines can be traced as need be.

I find it hard to believe you were unaware of these forces, so, all you've really expressed is that you consider evil things to be good things, which proves my earlier point.