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this has been the third time that i've been projecting or close to it, where someone has grabbed my feet.

after a lucid dream episode that turned into a projection, i found myself back in my body, still in a nice trance. i decided to try  and project. i was half way out when something grabbed my feet. i wasn't frightened, as it didnt feel threatening, and that it's happened before. i assumed whoever it was, was trying to help me out. so i asked  for assistance, but received none. instead whatever it was started massaging my feet.

it didnt hurt and would have felt quite nice if i wasnt so set on projecting. i asked for a name twice and in response got "stop calling me that". the voice sounded very annoyed, like i was bothering it. i didnt feel as comfortable as i did at first. i  wsant scared but wanted everything to stop. i tried kicking my feet away from these hands but they held on firmly. not tight but enough so i couldnt shake them loose. i tried swinging my arms and found that i couldnt see my physical arms at all.

i could feel them swinging around but my physical body wasnt moving. my eyes were open now and i felt something nibbling at my feet. after about five seconds everything stopped and i immediately sat up and recorded everything. it seems as though who or whatever this is has a fettish w/ my feet.

i'm perplexed. thoughts would be nice.
fred

when i watch a movie i usually sit in this recliner i have and relax as much as possible. i usually end up in  a halfway decent trance state.  i was watchng something the other night and halfway through the movie, while in a halfway decent trance state, i got the goosebumps becasue of the movie. this increased my trance state ten fold. it was pretty nuts. i know some people can give themselves goosebumps on the spot if they try.  if you get the chance give it a shot.
fred

i recently have been prescribed some vicodin from the dentist. when i take these i feel my energy body going nuts. i can get into the same level of trance in a few seconds that takes me an hour. this kind of feels like cheating and i haven't done any energy work while on these pills. it literally feels like the trance state is calling me when i eat them. thoughts on if anyone thinks it would be ok to go ahead and continue energy develpment like this would be appreciated.
fred

i've been looking on the net for an authentic guru in the us. i can't find anything. does anyone know of any or where i can look to find one?

i had my first obe lst night .. unfortunately it was after i fell asleep. i had been doing some energy and trance work for about forty five minutes and had been trying to project for about fifteen minutes w/ no success. i fell asleep and woke up halfway out and went w/ it. everything was very fuzzy and i barely remember it.. i projected backwards and couldnt stop moving at first. when i did i immediately re entered on the advice of ad. i fell asleep and woke up about an hour later halfway out again. this time i tensed up my neck and was stuck around the neck chest area. i tried to relax as best i could but it wasnt working. i felt somthing grab my toes. it felt like a hand. i knew it was a hand .. idunnno how i just did. i wasnt freaked out about this because ihad a similiar exp before. (see my previous post for more detail it's titled...long post extr. wierd and vivid exp,  or something like that.) the hand moved down and grabbed hold of my ankle. it started gently tugging on me. i felt it was trying to help so i went w/ it. i tried to relax but my neck tensing up prevailed once again. another hand grabbed my other ankle and i heard a mans voice counting to three... at the end of three  the voice said "out". it was an extremely friendly voice and thewhole experience felt good. unfortunately i didnt project because my neck was still tense. the rest of my body was out though. i've had this same neck problem for a while and knew that i wasn't going to be able to project at that time so i thanked whoever it was that was trying to help me and went back to sleep. maybe this will give a little hope to and make projection less fearful for us novice projectors.

i've found another good tek to raise energy. if you will imagine a spray bottle like a plant sprayer or something w/ a pump on it that you can press the handle on topump it up so there is a continous spray of water coming out then you'll have a good idea on waht i mean. if your awareness hands holding something like this and imagine what cold water spraying out of it onto you, then you would feel like you get a very nice energy feeling. give it a   shot. i'm very tired so you can elaborate on this yourself. i'm sure you get the idea.

have fun

anyway to call on the dweller. i dont ever see him and would actually like to. alot of times right at the time he should be appearing, according to others, i kinda think about him and want to see him. i think maybe this would be a reason why he wouldnt show. rb says if he shows you can usually tell him to #$*& off. i would like to tell him how much i  like him and how i understand what he's doing and i'm sure it's fun, or something along those lines.

i recently posted and asked if i could try too much ... i got a response telling me to take breaks in betweeen trying, like fifteen minutes or so.

  i have nothing but time on my hands right now and i dont know when that is goin to change. i m very determined and will not be discouraged.

  i'm wondering if any of you *experts* out there would mind letting me know if you had all day every day for a few weeks to try, what exactly what the schedule be like. i'm not kidding about all day every day either. i've been trying very hard for a very long time only to keep thining i'm almost there i'm almost there. only to find theres more to go. i thought a few times i actually felt myself lifting up only to be trapped by muscles tensing up at the last second.

   lately i've been doinga lot of meditating and have been incorporating projection attempts in w/ it. i'm a meditating freak and have been doing it for two to ten hours a day. i'm actually going to be taking up a full residency at a monastary in a few months because i cant get enough and have the time in my life to do it right now.  i dont get exhausted physically or mentally from it. so guys tell me what you think.

i have read ad a few times and have been doing all of the excersizes and then some for aobut six months now. i havent been able to project yet due to me not being able to relax my neck all of the way. it's a problem that is slowly going away and i should be able to project in no time. it  seems that everytime i start to use  a projection tek, i lift my head up too.it's taken some patience not to be discouraged after trying for so long, but i've come up w/ some new techniques in the process of trying to get out so much, that dont include moving your physical or etheric neck. all of these i recommend while lying down.

 besides all of the techniques in the book the first one that i came up w/ was from something that reminded me of a ride we have at the fair's or carnivals around here. there is a ride called "the gravitron". i'm not sure if everyone knows what this is so ... it can be likened to a very large bowl twice your height and large enough to hold about fifty people around the edge. use your imagination as best you can here as the description might be not so good.

 so if you walked into this big bowl you would pick a  spot along the wall of the bowl to lean up against. this would be your spot for the duration of the ride. each spot contains a very large skateboard type panel that you actually lean on which seperates and connects you from and to the actual wall of the bowl. you lean on it nad the bowl spins around as the ride begins. aftera  minute or two you start to get pushed away from the center of the ride and the skateboard slides to the top of the bowl where it stops. you then are held up there for a minute or two by centrical force. the force is so strong you can spin upside down if you want or sideways or whatever and not fall.the feeling that this ride gives you is somewhat as disorienting as the feeling you get entering  a good level of trance, which is why it reminded me of it.

 now if you can remember waht this feels like and imagine being on that ride when you are about to project, it should push you very hard very fast. you should pop out somewhere near your head. to those of you that have never been on one of these before, the only comparison i can think to make would be something like being sucked out of a moving airplane. if you can imagine what kind of a whole body  pushing/sucking feeling this would be. it's very intense.

 it's funny to note here what an incredible sight it is to see people across from you throw up only to see it splash right back onto them and not fall to the floor until after the ride slows. fortunately i have always been on the other side of the ride when this has happened and not to the right of the person which also has some funnel cake and soda on thier face too.

 the next one is fairly simple and involves the use of your awareness legs as i call them. i dont recall seeing any reference to them in the book but i believe they are easier developed than our hands because of the size of the muscles and the power our legs represent in our minds. when ready to project feel your a legs lifting up as far as you can or feel comfortable imagining and then act as though an imaginary step has just formed underneath of them. use this step to push/slide your upper double body across the floor and out of your physical body. the first time i used this there were tremendous results. also maybe not pushing across the floor but instead pushing yourself into the floor, if you are comfortable w/ a projection into the floor beneath of you . whatever works, works.

 this next one is a little different, but then again so is projecting out of your body and sailing through the stars. when ready, imagine the bed you are lying in and the house supporting it slowly falling or sinking down as you struggle to maintain the position of your double where it is at now. this is kind of like just feeling yourself rising up but helps me out becaues it's kind of like a lazy mans projection, in the sense that the you that you are concentrating on staying where you are at instead of moving somewhere. so it helps me to not move my neck to go w/ the projection.

 i will say that out of all of these the gravitron method and the point awareness method have been most successful in terms of development. the point awareness especially. it states in teh book that it is very effective when mastered and i will agree. i believe i am very good at it but it's a bit tricky to learn at first. i'll be out soon and i'll post any new developments.

 also i've found, for me anyway, it's easier sometimes to attain a level of trance when i m in my bed sprawled out as far as i can be on my back.

i've heard that in lucid dreams it may be possible to listen to whatever kind of music y ou want. i'm wondering if anyone has had any experience actually hearing a certain song they wanted to, that they already know all of the words to and have heard numerous times beforehand. also if it would be possible to "hear" the song loud enough to have other projectors hear it too. or maybe if there is a place that you can go to where there are other projectors listenting ot the same song. a Tool room would be bad butt.

this is obviously a  very long post but the experience i had last week was incredible, and i very much would like some light shed on it if possible. i was dreaming and awoke but didnt move to find that i couldnt move anyway because i had some paralysis. it wasnt a big deal to me because i have read astral dynamics along w/ some lucid dreaming books. i actually kind of like the parlysis and it's happened to me a few times before so i don't believe that i was afraid at all. i'm lying there realizing i was just dreaming and i start to use a technique called "dream spinning" which i found otu about in one of the books that i've used before to spin me back into a lucid dream. i was having some diffuculty dong it right because it's a mental action and i was incorporating my physical body along w/ it the slightest bit which will void it's effects. i have my eyes closed and i feel something touching my legs.  i strained to turn my head to get a look and i saw waht looked like handmarks indented into my legs, and they appeared to be massaging me. i was a little perplexed and there may have been an initial shock of fear or something but i remained calm during the entire episode. the hands continued to rub my legs upward until they reached about where my crotch was. at this point i tried to break the paralysis and moved my lower body slightly. the invisble hands stopped moving where they were and i could still feel pressure where they stopped. there came a dreamy girl voice that was drawn out w/ a kind of echo to it that said "it's ok".  i was slightly sleepy still and i thought that the voice said "it's Kaye". Kaye is a friend of mine. i dont recall if she has ever massaged my legs or not,  there may have been some back massaging once or twice, but i'm not sure about the legs. so i replied "Kaye?" and at the same instant i realized that the voice said "it's ok".  the voice came again only this time it definetly said "yeah it's Kaye". at this point i assume this is all coming from my subconscious so  i decide to ck . i asked the voice for Kaye's middle and last name. the last name came back correct and i had already known it. the middle name i did not know and when i asked for that the hands went away along w/ the voice. still paralyzed i decide to try to spin back to dream agian when i feel pressure on the left side of my neck. i m lying on my right side and i see out of my peripheal that i have another head on my neck facing backwards. same haircut , same everything. i gain some more movement and i reach out w/ my arm to touch it's neck and i can feel it as if it were my own. i also can control the movment like it was a part of me. it speaks and asks me for my hand. i dont want to seem afraid and have some fear start to snowball and turn this into a bad experience so i reluctantly reach around and put my hand in front  of the face while saying "ok, but if you bite me..." and it says to me "what are you talking about, have you been really paranoid lately or something?" in kind of a mocking friendly voice and at the same time my hand starts getting a masssage from a pair of hands that i can not see.  i say "no, this is just so different". it replies "different?" and i say " yes i just dont recall ever doing this before". i was careful not to say that i have never done anything like this before because i was a little scared now and didnt want to make any definite statements that could be false. at this point it faded away and the paralysis broke. i awoke and recorded it. the night before i was doing some evergy devlopment and was trying for an oobe. i fell into the trance state for a while and decided that i tried enough for the night and went to sleep. everything that happened seemed just as real as my waking life does, but i still feel wierd posting this because it's so crazy and i've never experienced aything like this before and if someone were to tell me this  story i would sigh and shake my head at them. any help would be appreciated and if you've read this far you deserve a medal. again, sorry about the long post.

i have  plenty of time on my hands most of the day to do what i please. i believe i m very close to projecting and have been trying every day for hours for the past couple weeks. i read astral dynamics about four months ago and have been doing all of the excersizes. i'm wondering if it's possible that too much effort would be bad?

i've read astral dynamics. i've carefully progressed through the different stages and have been stuck at the deep physical relaxation part. i can relax my entire body except for my lower jaw. the more i try and relax it, the more tense it gets. it's like it won't find a comfortable spot to stay. it has been over two months now and i have had plenty of time to relax and try for better results every day. i have kept the attitude that it willl eventually work itself out as not to get too aggrivated about it, but it's not getting any better. i can attain some pretty good levels of trance and have even felt very mild vibrations for a second or two throughout my lower body. i haven't tried to project yet because it's stricly stated that your entire body needs to be relaxed. i have been in the trance state for more than an hour at a time w/ no change. any help would be appreciated.
fredhedd

is it possible to raise energy into one of your hands  enough so that if y ou placed it on someone else that they would feel it?

i have been trying for a while now to get into a deep or even a full trance state. i don't think im  getting past the light trance stage. if i try very hard i can do the whole falling feeling thing and it makes my heart race faster and i get a slight over all body buzz but as soon as i stop straining to stay there it goes away.  also i cant get to that stage w/out some physical movement, like tensing up my stomach muscles the slightest bit so i think i m doing it wrong.i've read the book and am sure i m doing everything correct. any help to get to the vibratory stage would be great. thnx

what is stopping you from meditating longer than you normally do?  i experienced some restlesness when i first started too.

i'm going.  i put my deposit down last month.  i have my plane tickets already.  fortunately me for me i have a friend who is staying in england right now and after the workshop i'm going to stay w/ him for a few weeks.  it should be fun.

[] <----   that's me teasing the rest of you that aren't going.  
[] <----   that's me smiling about teasing the rest of you that aren't going.

i'd just like to say that if it weren't for my lsd experiences i don't think i would have ever gotten into any of this stuff.  i have done it maybe five times.  the last one was years ago, but it showed me alot and made me go look for a book like astral dynamics.  

sure, you may have less control.  if you know that, and are ok w/ it though, that is waht you want.  there is no better mode of being in control than knowing and accepting that you can never be in control.  enjoy the ride.

everything is funny. there isn't anythign that exists that you can't find humor in.

ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

i'm going.

i just found this post but before i did i was going to make one saying the exact same thing.  i think this is a program that has been set to pick out key words in posts and reply to them w/ pre-written responses.  i don't see how any real person would continue to write such foolish responses.  i've seen better programs though.  this is obviously a bottom end one.

they are geniuses.  though the album would make much more sense if you were tripping and listening to it.  the lyrics may sound a bit weird at first but if you listen to them while tripping they make a whole lotta sense.  their songs tie into every part of life.  every religion.

robert says the same about doing too much energy work too fast.  if you go slow you should be fine.  

the feelings that accompany energy raising are due to friction or blockages.  the feel good energy type stuff is due to the energy not flowing as freely as possible.  i read somewhere that someone who is very experienced w/ energy raising will only feel a slight tingle when massive amounts of energy are moving through them.  

if you are feeling something substantial in your foot, there is a good chance it's a blockage.  just work on it slowly.  don't spend too much time on it.  have you tried the bandage tek that is in astral dynamics?  

i believe robert said it could take a whole lifetime to fill all of your storage areas.  why do you want to know if you sub-naval is full or not anyway?   you would still draw energy up through there if it were.  honestly, i think you would no w/out a doubt if it were full or not.  maybe that you asked is an indication that it isn't.

nope.  i'm sure.  it's the devil.