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Hello Pelican and welcome to the Pulse!

LightBeam has started you off with some good advice and I shall endeavor to add and expand on that. Twenty years ago ...egads... twenty-five years ago, I was dealing with the same issues you describe- Is this F3, where does F10 start, am I in F12...blah, blah blah...
It doesn't get you quite where you wanted, but it is all good training, and that is evident in the detail of your first post in this thread; you are describing very subtle aspects in an intelligent fashion which can only come with experience.

With plenty of trial and error, and finally a few visits to The Monroe Institute (TMI), I have found some personal clarification that I will offer. There are no hard and fixed rules to any of this. There are gradations and levels to all the Focus Levels. So, you can be in a low F10 or a high F10 or somewhere in between. A low F15 or F21 or a high F15 or F21... It is all okay; you can still accomplish most of the tasks you 'intend' from within those levels; it does not have to be perfect. Let me repeat...none of this demands that you BE in a 'perfect' state of F10, F15, F21 or whatever. It is all approximations...so just work with where you are. Rule #1 of the Non- Physical (NP) is this- Go with the flow (of whatever presents itself at the time). GO WITH THE FLOW.

Rule #1 will be repeated unmercifully until you subscribe to it...so, if ever in doubt, refer to Rule #1.

The fact that you are noticing what you call "micro dreams" is a good individual recognition. This is Focus 10 and actually a bit beyond it, call it 11 or 12 or maybe a bit further. So you are plenty relaxed. Forget about whether you are still sensing your body and limbs...you are now in a very opportunistic area of consciousness and it is still possible to be aware of your body. At TMI, you can still sit up and take notes and quickly return to this peripheral state...so don't get hung up about absolute silence or absolute lack of movement. Part of what they teach is that even in the higher states, you can still move around, take a few notes and instantly return to that Focus level. It is a "dexterity of mind' that they teach you...really cool.

You are looking for a first OBE and you are at a bit of a dilemma-point. What are you expecting? A ghost-like, spiritual kind of rising from your physical body where you 'float out'? That is possible. I call that an Etheric projection. It leads to a certain 'local' set of experiences. The other type is a Phasing...which could be argued as an Astral or higher type projection. The former is very tactile in a sense, the latter, more dream-like...

My advice is to just be open to either type of OBE. The first type is perfectly cool and enjoyable and wonderous...and will eventually lead to the second which is also cool and wonderous...they are different things and it is impossible to tell where you will start. It is all up to you.

This 'flickering' process, as you accurately describe it, is a crucial decision-point and a great sign that you are close...you need to relax and just let it happen, go with the flow. You may fall asleep or you may make a conscious transition into a Phasing projection or a Lucid Dream. Whichever it is really doesn't matter...it is a success. So just let go. This was my biggest problem to overcome. If you fall asleep then trust that your intention will take you into a Lucid Dream. Also understand that this may be a necessary process for your 'Higher Self' to allow your 'inner self' to begin experiencing this stuff. It may involve some very small steps that you may be overlooking and unaware of. Just possible.

You could follow one of the 'micro-dreams'...sometimes those expand into longer themes. Like you mentioned, you could start a Rundown and follow that if it develops. I have found that successful Rundowns depend on physical, rhythmic movement- dancing, gymnastics, skiing, snowboarding, trampoline...go with whatever you enjoy that has movement.

You asked if you should just continue the 'noticing technique' and wait for something to happen. No, you now need to definitely apply an 'intention'...what specific thing do you wish to accomplish? Well, you have to ask for it in the form of an intention and you have to mentally state it and emotionally 'intend' it. This can be a bit problematic...it is for me. Figure out a simple way to state your desire and don't ask for too much, too soon. "I want to have an out of body experience", "I want to fly in space above the Earth", I want to experience the next best lesson I need to learn"...the last idea is probably the best and a default intention. Asking to visit a deceased relative is a good one but the timing can be problematic.

All the people you have read have offered good information. As far as techniques, I don't think anything compares to what is offered here at the Pulse. Here, you have the latest and best ideas from OBE experts offering their knowledge from decades of experience.

The First Board-

Exit Symptoms/Signposts
How I Got Out For The First time
Everything You Could Want To Know About Sleep Paralysis
Tests, Quests, Challenges


Third Board-

Doorway Technique
Phantom Wiggle Method
Steps to Success
The Astral Blueprint
Conceptual Framework of the Astral

Again, Welcome!

And enjoy!

EV

madmagus, this is an excellent extension of your previous thread and a topic I hope can spur some discussion. Over the last several years, my own thinking about this has traveled similar lines of thought. Decades ago, I read some works by La Berge and Garfield and much of their dream exploration opened me to some of these questions.

I remember reading of a psychology experiment back in the early '70's involving college students and REM deprivation. If I recall (somewhat) correctly, the experiment involved waking the students any time they exhibited REM signals. They could have all the non-REM sleep they wanted, just not the supposed dreaming part. The experiment was to last something like ten days to two weeks. Well, it was apparently abandoned after 4-5 days as the REM-deprived students began displaying increasing signs of neurotic and borderline psychotic behavior...it got to the point where every time a student fell back into sleep, they went almost instantly into REM and dream state, whereupon they were supposed to be reawakened. The facilitators quickly realized they would have serious problems the longer they pushed the experiment.

I have long had thoughts about what is occurring during sleep with dream dysfunctionality and particularly REM deprivation, having gone through it myself many times. But it has become an especially acute problem for me the last nearly ten years culminating in a few episodes the last year which seemed to go 'off the chart'. Maybe this is also part of the NP learning process; or maybe just my personal lessons within it. During business trips, I often cannot sleep the first couple days; even during vacation-like trips, I have trouble. These, I can get through, but they are seriously bothersome. Often I get significant NP experiences. The sleep/dream deprivation then becomes just another of several NP techniques, although in my opinion, an effective but difficult one. During two of my three week-long courses at The Monroe Institute (TMI), I was unable to sleep for the first three nights; the fourth night an hour, the fifth two hours, etc. This wasn't a fault of TMI's, it was purely a personal thing with me. And despite numerous over-the-counter and even prescribed sleep medications, they did nothing for me. At a certain point, I began to accept the condition and explore it for what experience it was providing me. I found that I reached a kind of threshold level- Every night I was getting the opportunity for rest and relaxation, but my mind was not shutting down. This brought about a minimal physical recovery with an increasing degree of mental exhaustion and a degree of emotional emergency, but it felt like I reached a 'threshold point' where the physical and mental exhaustion stabilized and I discovered a new operating level for myself. It's hard to put into words and wasn't fully realized until a couple months later where I was in a physically higher-stressed environment and could not sleep for five days yet still had to physically work a 14 hour day. And I found that 'operating level' again and realized it could continue for an extended period of time. For me, it provided a new perspective on awareness and dreaming. In each of these experiences, the several moments that I did drop into sleep, I instantly went into REM and usually lucid awareness...mostly uncontrolled, as all I wanted to do was sleep...and then Bang! I was awake again.

It occurred to me several years ago, the similarity of how our human minds operate compared to how we have designed computers. Just separating the idea of the mind versus the physical brain, is a discussion for another thread. But the idea of the necessity for 'de-fragging' both a computer and the mind becomes evident in our experience, and ordering and consolidating our experiences seems pretty apparent; along with discarding the unnecessary debris. Not that every night is the same, but often it seems that the first REM period gives us what I call 'house-cleaning' type dreams, sometimes we are literally cleaning house or sorting through rooms, arranging things, looking for things misplaced. These or the next set of dreams often involve local emotional conflicts- the stuff we dealt with at work or during the last few days. This pattern seems to continue throughout our sleep period, gradually moving to deeper and longer-term emotional and relational issues; family stuff. This pattern may persist until morning or we may actually move into deeper, highly-metaphorical and far-ranging personal exploration, even some NP explorations right up to the point of final awakening.

Again, this pattern can change and many of us have found NP experiences and Instructional Simulations thrown in anywhere within this mess at any time.

Coma patients with new abilities having tapped into past/parallel lives...schizophrenics inadvertently tapping into the same...yeah, I have thought along similar lines.

Great thread madmagus! 

 

Yes, I have noticed this distinction within my dreams/experiences and it has slowly increased over the years.

Szaxx first pointed out this concept to me many years ago and that it should develop over time, which it has. I call it my second or Non-Physical (NP) Personality, which term still seems somehow a bit incomplete to me in describing it, but I will use it until a better term comes along. Like you have observed, it seems to start with a recognition of the different set of memories that are accessed within your dreams or an NP environment. Soon, a recognition of a set of NP abilities also begins to emerge, a key distinction being recognized that these abilities are instinctively available to us in the NP, but not in the Physical. Recognizing and differentiating between these two sets of memories and abilities seems to serve to reinforce and strengthen the NP Personality leading to more insights and a significant degree of being able to 'maintain' a stable NP awareness. I think this is a key point in development and when new abilities become on-line, as it were: Telepathy, feel/think, telekinesis, intuition/knowing, flying, greater cognition, etc. And also a pretty significant increase in confidence in our overall ability.

This is just my opinion but your recognition of this distinction of the NP Personality just may be linked to your stolen car dreams. The stolen car story may simply be a metaphor dream of your frustration or sense of lack of control in your dreams/the NP. You "keep losing track of the 'vehicle' you want to use to explore the NP". That metaphor may be one possibility, but I think it may represent something much more indicative of your obvious progress. You say that you have had this same dream in different cars and different situations. Maybe this is your Higher Self or an Instructor placing you within this Simulation repeatedly, waiting for you to recognize the repeated pattern, which you have done. The trick, now is what to do the next time you have the recognition within the dream; recognize and use it as a Dream Trigger/Signal and move into a lucid dream or a Phasing. Do whatever you want; take control of the dream. Now it may be a Simulation that requires you to follow a script, so to speak...and if you detour from that too much the Simulation may end abruptly, so you need to think hard about the question of whether there is a plot you need to follow. If you can become lucid in the dream, then the best course may be to just stop and ask for your Instructor to appear or to ask mentally or aloud for 'the next lesson you need'. There are many ways this could play out, your intuition may help point the way and multiple attempts may be required. Now may be the time to adjust or re-set your Intent of what you want to transpire within the dream/NP environment.

Sounds like excellent progress.

   

Your experience is very reminiscent of my own and it seems that you received a positive and reassuring message. I hope it provides some closure. Thank you for sharing this with us.

"Bored out of your skull"...? Again, a form of OBE...

Don't have much time tonight, important fishing work to do in the morning.

An important existential/spiritual question...think EV, think...okay

What kind of cookies?

Game of Thrones and The Avengers (two of my faves)...that is quite a combination LD event LightBeam! One might even say...EPIC!

A great platform to both challenge and display your talents, nicely done!

Beautiful work Plume!

You are the Dreamcatcher!

You capture the dream and manifest it within our Physical Reality!

Sixx-

My condolences as well for your mother's passing. Losing a parent leaves an empty space, like you said. It's a very special place that only a parent could occupy, and as a child you naturally think it is a permanent thing; and yet, it is not, as we all eventually come to realize as we grow older.

I agree completely with Nameless' perspective on this. My readings and observations have also shown that most elderly people going through these stages of deterioration are, in fact visiting the other side and becoming slowly more acclimated to the NP side and gradually giving up their perspective on this PR side. And we do have guides and friends helping with this transition from the NP side.

With that said, I would not dissuade you from trying to check in on her; I see no problem with this. I have re-read some of your earlier posts and I see that you are familiar with etheric/RTZ projections. It was during one of my own etheric projections, three months after my father's passing that I unexpectedly and instinctively 'asked' to be taken to check on him. And I was escorted there and met with him, if only briefly...but it was enough to know that he was alright, so I left it at that.

So, if you are familiar with the process of an etheric/RTZ obe, then you know the level of 'intent' that is needed. Now you have a very good reason for an 'intent'. So take that intent with you into sleep or into a meditative/obe session and see what transpires. Ask to be taken to her, ask to receive information on her well-being, her status. Ask in whatever manner seems appropriate to you. Now is the time to be calm and relaxed but with a degree of seriousness and determination.

Let us know what you get from this process and we can proceed from there, if necessary. I know this is difficult, but it is best to start with you and what kind of 'read' you can get on the situation.

Windwalker- No, I am not currently at TMI. My retrieval experiences were from January 2019 at the Lifeline course. TMI feeds you three times a day with great food and there is plenty of time to sleep, so no, they don't force you to stay awake, lol. My lack of sleep was purely my problem and you may be right in that my Higher self (?) was keeping me near that Theta state or breaking down my resistance in some way. It felt like that much of the time...or maybe I just have a sleep disorder, lol. If you ever get the chance to go, I highly recommend it! TMI is great people teaching great courses resulting in transformative experiences!

Volgerle- Thank you and I think you are right. For me, Retrieval is just about getting people unstuck from wherever they are, which is often a confused after-death state. As for the BST's, something about the frequencies of the various levels resonating with different people naturally draws them to those Focus levels. TMI advises us that this may happen during a retrieval and to just trust that the person went to where they needed to go; it just caught me by surprise when it happened.

Thank you Lumaza!

TMI/Lifeline-

Up until the final three days this course at TMI had felt like a frustrating bust- No sleep and nothing but purple color tours with very little visuals to claim any reference to. I had gotten almost nothing the other 18 class members were sharing; nearly everybody was reporting positive results. On some level, I did realize that something personal, something special to me was occurring...an energetic, maybe spiritual change...maybe it was just my hopeful imagination...I was very tired and very despondent.

But even within this frustration, I had to admit that I had still received more than glimpses of F27 and the Reception Center, the Park and the Healing and Rejuvenation Center (the Hospital). It wasn't as much as I had hoped for, but it was something substantial enough that I could pursue, that I might validate to my satisfaction.

Day Four put me into F27 and I felt that I actually entered the HR Center and asked for healing for myself. I experienced an old dream of healing that I had originally rejected and this time, with a clearer understanding, I allowed it to complete: the 'veggie-chopper'.

Day Five, I did my first retrieval, the one with the soldier.

Day Six, the final day, I did three sessions, the first was a re-visit to the Healing Center where I underwent another 'blending' kind of healing process, similar to the veggie chopper. During this session, I also received the idea that F23 also includes areas known as Purgatory and what I have come to understand as as the Badlands. Maybe 'post-Hell areas'?

The next session I tried to contact a friend who had passed six years ago (just to check on her) but was again unsuccessful; but came away with the feeling that she was okay. I then went into the retrieval of the woman who had been buried while still aware (last retrieval posted in this thread).

The final afternoon session turned out to be my most complex situation of the week. Most TMI sessions are around 45 minutes, maybe as short as thirty or as long as an hour, it varies...and as a participant, you can't really tell. I went to my 'resort' in F27, then flew over to the Park and once given permission to descend for a retrieval, I did.

I materialized 1500 feet over a desert and I 'felt' I was over the Badlands...it was an endless desert and way down below me was what I guess a Bedouin man wandering lost in the desert. I floated down near him and he barely took notice of me as he struggled along. I floated a few inches above the sand and paced along with him. I finally said hello and he acknowledged me almost begrudgingly. I asked, are you doing okay? And he said, yes, I am managing...

I offered my help and he refused. I asked why? And he said because I don't know if you are a devil or an angel. I thought about my appearance and just how I was presenting myself; I think I made an intention to 'brighten' myself but that was all; I did not want to misrepresent myself. I said to him that I am a person just like you but I am here with the ability to help you. He said that makes no sense, you are either one or the other, an angel or a devil. I said I won't pretend to you that I am an angel, I am not...but I am also not a devil. If I was a devil, would I just not take you now?!

He looked at me and said if you are not a devil or an angel then you are just a mirage and I am mad. I said that I am not a mirage and not a devil and not an angel, but maybe a friend who can help you out of this situation. He questioned, How do I know you are not a mirage? I said, because I KNOW that I am not a mirage...or a devil...

He said, How do I know you are what you say you are and not madness of my mind? I responded, You don't know...but at some point, you will have to trust.

This conversation went on for what seemed like the whole 45 minutes, if not what felt like hours, honestly it felt like an incredibly long time...I finally left him in silence and floated along with him as he wandered. I said, You notice that I leave no footprints? He said, Yes I clearly see that.

I poked a few questions which clearly aggravated him: How many weeks, months or years have you been out here? (He couldn't recall how long) Isn't it interesting that, in all this wandering, you have never come across your own footprints? (That irritated him) When was the last time you had a drink of water? A man couldn't go for much more than a day out here without water, you would just die...has it been weeks or months? (that seemed to have finally set the realization within him).

The Hemi-Sync Return Signal had sounded, a kind of low volume clarion/foghorn that brings about a certain recognition of place within the environment and also signals the return instructions that will follow; the session was coming to an end. I felt the need to quicken the pace or I might lose this whole scenario. I started to float away and upward from my Bedouin companion. He sensed this and implored me, where are you going? I said that it was time for me to leave and he needed to make a decision; I added that if he was not ready then I or another would become available to him when he was ready. This produced a definite response and he reached toward me and I took his hand. I said to him, Look, it can't be any worse than where you are right now. And he agreed. Holding his hand, we lifted off the sand and his eyes widened...as we rose higher I could tell the Physical Reality symptoms were leaving him: the tiredness, the hunger, the thirst...as all of these physical issues left him, he became lighter and more free. I felt good and in control as we moved towards F27 where I would drop him off.

But that's not what happened. If I had indeed picked him up in F23...we still had to move through and beyond the Belief System Territories of F24/25/26...the BST's...not a problem for me, but what about him?

That had not been an issue for me...until now. As we rose up from F23, I felt a strong grip with his hand. Heading for 27, I was surprised when I felt the loss of his grip somewhere around F24/25...he fell off and disappeared somewhere below...

After all this effort and expectation, I was just a little frustrated...what had happened?! The realization did not occur to me instantly, so I re-scripted the event... I was back in F23 hauling him back up by the hand, and I held on even tighter, with more determination...and he still let go and fell off in 24/25...and I could not stop it...

So I did it again! I re-scripted...held his hand, gripped it even tighter, put more determination and Intent into it...I was gonna get this man into F27...and as we rose higher through the frequencies...he fell off somewhere into F24/25...I just could not stop it.

The realization finally hit ME! This man had gone to where he needed to go, not where I thought he needed to go.

I came down to the debriefing late and sat in silence with twenty other people describing their experiences...and in absolute wonderment...and a certain degree of bewilderment at what I had just experienced.

Volgerle-

To offer a few possible answers to your questions: First, I would say that I agree with Lumaza in that you should be wary of over-thinking any specific aspects of these experiences; recognize and trust that your natural NP instinct is operating at a higher and more finely-tuned level within these experiences, and just go with the flow of your natural reactions. I am still learning this- when to grab hold and when to let go; it is not easy; but I have found that the correct and natural reaction will occur spontaneously; so usually the answer is to let go.

It is not a question of where the Void is, in relation to a Retrieval. The Void (and what I have found are associated various levels of the Void, both high and low). The Void can be above or below or even off to the side...it is just...available. A 3 dimensional, spatial reference really does not matter here, you can choose to make it a part of your perspective or not; it is your choice. If it seems to be in the way at some point, then simply dismiss it and move to where you 'intend'. So 'moving upward to take on a retrieval' seems entirely reasonable to me...take the retrieval from whatever direction it appears.

In the same way, you do not have to go first to your 'happy place' in F27, then the Park or Reception Center...this is just a structured modality that TMI offers initially...you are free to change it as you wish and just 'go with the flow' of where you initially emerge within the NP or where you may be taken/pushed. Within a few retrievals, it soon becomes apparent that you need to be very receptive and responsive to whatever environment you find yourself within. Personally, I prefer some structure and context of the situation I am moving through and into, but it has become apparent that this is too easy an idea, too simplistic and even lazy...we get continually challenged with new and changing circumstances to each adventure.

You mentioned the idea of "skilled projectors being able to 'hold it' for long periods of time". I thought the same thing and doubted my own abilities until I spent some time at TMI. It's not as hard as you think and during certain sessions at TMI they encourage you to take notes or otherwise momentarily disrupt your session. Sometimes this happens naturally, with having to adjust your physical comfort or the headphones; sometimes the Hemi-Sync directions change and you feel like you are behind and have to catch up with where you should be. Some of this may actually be designed into the system in order to teach us that we are, in actuality, moving our frequency up all by ourselves. We are eventually taught to become less dependent on the Hemi-Sync. You can re-adjust your position or take a quick note, or move rapidly through the Focus levels if you need to catch up. You can multi-task...it only briefly disrupts your focus. You panic a bit, at first, but then you realize.

EV

Given what I just posted, here is another January TMI retrieval-

The Hemi-Sync assists me up to my 'happy place', my little resort in F27. I created...or at least, started this place many years ago...it never felt complete and it still doesn't, yet my work during Lifeline has strengthened the idea of it; sometimes I feel my presence there very strongly, other times not so much...but I do now recognize its purpose and function. I stand on the terrace and for a few moments enjoy the afternoon sun and it's warmth as I stare out across a gentle sea. I am there, maybe 85 to 90 percent. I spend a few moments, gathering my thoughts, my determination and resolve it into an 'intent' for a retrieval. Then I shoot up into the sky, into an arc that is maybe only a mile or two and land within the Park in 27.

A man is there immediately facing me. He asks how can I help you? ( I am a bit surprised because now I suddenly feel 100% in the scene) I say that I am here to do a retrieval. He smiles and says, "You should have a Guide with you." I say, "I don't have one right here and apparently I don't require one." ( I say this with as much respect as I can) There is a definite pause. I ask, "Can I still go?" And he says yes.

So I drop down, I just 'feel' the sensation of descending levels and instinctively trust that I am heading to the right place. I have no visuals now, I am back to 'sensing energies', which apparently the last several days I have been learning...but honestly, it sucks...I really prefer some kind of visual, but it repeatedly seems that I am being encouraged/challenged to add learning this from an 'energetic' perspective...confusing and daunting...just when you think you're understanding it, the difficulty shifts up another level...

I feel like I am in complete darkness...blackness...so I just wait...it's like the Void and a certain comfort level...

And a woman's voice cries out...and she is desperate...I sense her and make a slight connection, somehow (mental? emotional?)...she immediately recognizes my presence. "You, what's going on? Get me out of this!"  I mentally inquire back to her and I can mentally 'read' her story- She remembers dying but not dying...that they put her in the ground and that she could not understand why they were throwing dirt over her. The last shovel of dirt blocked out the last glimpse of sunlight she could remember and it had been dark ever since...and she had just lay there... "I could see the last shovel of dirt they threw over me!" (I will never forget that statement).

I mentally spoke to her, "I am sorry for the way they treated you, but do you think maybe that you had died? Being in darkness all this time, maybe it is time to let all that go?"

We are still in complete darkness but I realize she has relaxed and become receptive/given over to my control. I imagine reaching for her hand, feel it and begin moving forward and upward. I have a limited idea of F27 and the Reception center but we move upward and arrive there and I hand her over to welcoming people/energies (I get a sense of both); they are good and she is good...yeah...I realize that I don't always have to witness it visually, I just have to trust the 'knowing' that the mission was accomplished...

Computer locking. lost last reply. Internet/NP interference...always hard to tell, lol. crap.

I will keep my answer short bc of this. During retrievals, TMI reminds us to get personal information that can be later verified. In many cases apparently, this is done. Apparently a lot of people have been verified. I don't know...it hasn't yet occurred to me to ask of any of my 'retrievies'.

My instinctive and over-riding response seems to always be to deal with the issue at hand, and not be on a fact-finding mission, gathering names and dates of birth.

To answer several of Volgerle's questions, I would say that you have already been there several times, whether it is the Park, the Reception Center or Focus 27...do not get hung up on that issue...it is all the same and from what you describe, you have been there. Interpretations of energy constructs.

F27 does have related areas: The Library (Akashic records?), the Planning/Education Center, the Entry Center, the Healing and Rejuvenation Center (Hospital).

As far as navigating around these various places/states of consciousness, my own descriptions are limited and imperfect, but comparing them to Lumaza and Volgerle and many others I can agree and testify to them, at least to my satisfaction. As Robert Monroe famously said, "Don't take my word for it; go experience it for yourself."

There are Guides available and waiting for each of us and many at TMI describe meeting them. In my own case, I don't have any here, at least working directly with me. I know they are there, just in the shadows...I have spent decades bitching and screaming WHY won't you respond to me?! It has only been shown to me in the last year that my Guides are there, but they don't show themselves. Apparently that is because I insisted on this condition for my incarnation; I wanted to do this entirely on my own. Silly me, but apparently they are honoring that agreement to the letter. They still find 'work-arounds' to teach me or remind me of certain things; and I am slowly learning to appreciate this level of such incredibly subtle and delicate assistance...so God bless them and my love and thanks...

Enough for now.

Lumaza,
There are several topics related to Retrievals to discuss here; I will touch on a few.

1- I wonder that you didn't need to show up as "GOD" for this woman to believe in your relief assistance, but maybe you could have chosen a lesser form- an Angel, a Saint, a brilliant, shining cloud-form, etc. I had that dilemma as one of my retrievals at TMI and found an interesting way to deal with it, but I will certainly allow that this was a higher level test of just how "authentic" you would choose to be within a retrieval context; it is all quite 'level determinant', and in your case it was likely a next-level test of sorts.

Within my TMI retrievals, I found that I mostly operated from a very instinctual level; at least initially. All of my prior PR anxieties and worries about how I might react within a retrieval context were simply left behind- I operated within a purely instinctive and intelligent level I was previously unaware of...in retrospect I was quite happy with all my decisions and my thinking at the time. It all just seemed to fall in place very naturally.

With later retrievals I was more involved within a cognitive level- I had more decisions to make and they did not happen automatically. I will post an example that relates to this conversation and the 'higher spirit' context within a day or two.

2- The 'cathedral' that you describe is pretty clearly what TMI describes as the Healing and Rejuvenation Center and it seems to exist within the same NP area that many of us have visited. TMI describes it as Focus 27 and through the Hemi-Sync process they can assist you in getting there. In my understanding/experience this is an energy construct, a NP energy framework of interpreting the energy that is at work there. This language is just simply incapable of describing it properly; this is the best that I can offer. Within Focus 27 there are many such constructs, serving different purposes: Education, Planning, History, and Re-Entry. I did not get as complete a tour as I wished for, but I did get a good taste of it. As an example, I was traveling through the Healing and Rejuvenation Center once and was asked if I wished to revisit a healing modality that I had rejected a few years earlier within a dream. Feeling absolutely clueless, I said okay. I was put into a 24 inch by 24 inch rectangle column of glass? and a slicing/dicing grid of blades descended upon me. It chopped me into maybe 32 bits of flesh-very realistic but not (maybe just a little) painful...then it chopped me again into 64 bits...then once again into 128 (I guess)... and my awareness lay there on the floor for a few seconds, scattered into 128 bits of awareness (that was an interesting sensation!) and then I slowly 're-configured'...IDK...just sayin'. I mentioned this experience at the next lunch to one of the Trainers and she responded very naturally saying, "Oh yes, that's just one form of balancing your energies." And with that, I realized that a couple years earlier, I had ended a dream, thinking it was de-volving into a nightmare...but actually it had been a healing opportunity.

I gotta tell ya, the Trainers at TMI are a uniquely-talented set of people. I have now met six of them and I am truly impressed by each one and within their singular expertise.

3- The area of the 'healing cathedral' or what TMI calls the HRC also includes a few other 'energy structures'- The Education and Planning Center, the Archives and the Re-Entry area. I am only beginning to explore this area but it does seem to be 'island-like'.

TMI has no express admonishments about describing what they do, so I will offer this: Focus 27- It does appear like an island. And you create your 'Happy Place' somewhere within it...and that I have done. My place is a multi-terraced beach resort; I soon realized there is really no need for interior bedrooms or kitchen, dining or other areas...it might as well just be terraces enjoying a view of the sea. So this is where you are initially directed for a Retrieval. Go to your place, then go to the Park and ask for a Guide and drop down into F23 for a Retrieval.

And my friend Lumaza has discovered this on his own...he describes it exactly as I just experienced it a few months ago multiple times and he has thereby confirmed it in a very incredible and authentic way. His 'Happy Place' does exist...it is in F27...and from there it does feel like a mile-long jump to the Park, where you ask for guidance or permission, or you just say sh..t, I will do it myself...and you go down through the frequencies and find lost people...and bring them home.

To share within this requires offering yourself to the greater good of the Universe.

It requires a degree of service, wherever you may find yourself.

I am with Volgerle. I don't have to pretend.

I like Nameless' comments and I will add this-

Today I watched the cathedral of Notre Dame burn down. With that and among other events, I see a civilization coming to an end, challenged by another and yet eventually likely replaced by yet even another. One thing is apparent on Earth and that is the function of 'change'. It may occur within five years or it may require 500 years or multiples thereof.

I suppose that this is a misperception within a narrow time context; no matter what year you may pick, events are occurring which signify great changes coming; a slight allowance for years, decades or a century here or there, notwithstanding.

And yet within that context, as Nameless said, the human element keeps forging ahead. Opportunities abound. And pain and heartbreak...and love and celebration.

Incredible diversity. Incredible adversity. And while you are here, you forget and know nothing else.

It is a remarkable learning system.

I think that it is beneficial to write about your lucid dreams in order to encourage more of them. That and the results are a good sign that this is working for you.

I think that this LD is a good sign of progress.

I will offer a few observations on some possibly different perspectives you might consider about certain aspects in this experience. This is not definitive, just some ideas I offer for you to consider in this and future experiences. Within my own experiences, this is part of the change in thinking that I realized about certain parts of my LDs.

First, you realized the 'game' aspect which tells you something. It's not a 'game', rather you recognized the 'artificiallity' of the event. It was being manufactured for you. This is what we recognize as a Simulation, a teaching event. Good; now you know the 'feel-think' aspect of the experience and what to look for in the future.

Having realized that, the Simulation was shifted to the next lesson and you experienced that 'blank' moment...the scenario switched to the next event...and you recognized the shift from the 'alien' environment. Another good recognition, and although you didn't fully recognize what was occurring, you dealt with it from both a cognitive and emotional level; are you beginning to see just how well you did on an almost subliminal or subconscious level?

Then you were killed...but that didn't automatically blow you out; you dealt with it from a NP level and re-started the LD; you utilized a distinct NP ability: re-starting and re-configuring a dream sequence. This is not a simple thing. Nice. You recognized the fact and this kicked your awareness up a notch.

The details of the next dream scenario are almost unimportant except that they served to offer a chance at full lucidity which you achieved- you realized you were dreaming. Additionally, you reached out and felt the texture of the fabric of his uniform and the fact of this kicked your awareness up another notch. What I want you to realize now is that all of these seemingly subtle realizations are actually very significant moments towards your progress in developing your Non-Physical Personality or Awareness. These actions are apparently parts of many dreaming recognition moments that are required to progress, and you realized many of them in this event, even if at a very subtle level. Kurt Leland describes these 'dreaming levels' very specifically in his book Otherwhere, so I can recommend that as a resource if you want to look for it.

This is how it works and it is a really cool process. You did really well in this one, so in your quiet moments be thankful and grateful and receptive for more experiences. Give thanks to those who are supporting you. Nicely done!

EV

Why do you need to project as part of a healing process?

If you need healing you can ask for it within a meditative state, from your higher self or others; you can also request it here, I'm sure a few or more would send energy; you could also email The Monroe Institute for some DEC healing. That's just a few suggestions.

My thoughts and prayers to you and your family, Nameless.

EV

Welcome back Fulcaneli,

I took a few minutes to read back through your earlier posts. I have also read the Llewellyn book you have described, many years ago. So have you made progress with that method or any others? There is much here in the way of good advice so if you have any questions feel free to ask either in the Hotline or start a thread of your own, and we can get started. Glad to have you back!

EV

Lifeline

So in the last year, in an effort to kick-start my NP learning, I did something I have wanted to do for 30 plus years and that was to attend some courses at The Monroe Institute (TMI) near Charlottesville, Virginia, USA. The core courses are 5 day/6 night commitments where you live there and are fully immersed within the Hemi-Sync sessions and briefings/de-briefings/discussions with a like-minded group that begins as strangers and six days later disbands as friends having shared a unique and rewarding experience. I cannot recommend it in strong enough terms. To begin with, the energy of the place after 40 plus years is incredible and the immersive environment is strongly conducive to nearly anyone having the opportunity for significant and rewarding experiences. The first course is Gateway, which familiarizes you with the first several Focus levels (10, 12, 15, 21) and explores certain experiences within each of those Focus levels. The next week-long course is a choice of either Guidelines or Lifeline. Lifeline deals with retrievals and navigating through the Afterlife and so I chose that as my second course, that concept having always had a special interest to me. Over 50 plus years, I think that I have done a few retrievals within nearly unconscious dream contexts, and a few definite simulations over the last several years; but the process still felt somehow incomplete and a bit frustrating for me, so I wanted to try something new.

Now I must admit that I have used the Gateway Hemi Sync tapes since 1995, the CDs since 2005, and honestly not gotten much from them. Yes, some patterning and some problem-solving sessions seemed to produce results, but I never felt as if I was getting deep enough for the results I was seeking; never had a direct OBE from them. In retrospect I think I was wrong and wasn't looking at the process the way I needed to; but that's me- don't let my experience scare you off of these products because many people find huge benefits from them. Consequently, my first time at TMI for the Gateway program, I didn't get much in the way of experiences, though many did. I was hoping for more, but just didn't get the results I wanted. I did however, suspect that some inner work was taking place, something on a subtle, sub-conscious level. I did have a wonderful and fulfilling time sharing with all the other participants and would return, if not just for that, it was so good.

Lifeline started off much the same way for me. It was a smaller but much more experienced NP group; many of these people had OBE experience under their belt and a few participants were quite talented. I came there with guarded expectations yet still felt a certain level of 'performance anxiety'; and this kind of pressure can be a good thing...it is five solid days of literally 'eating, sleeping and breathing consciousness training'; it is full immersion within the process.

The first full day of sessions included instructions to recognize certain states or to introduce/meet with guides...I got none of that. All I experienced was multiple color tours through mostly purple and violet with splashes and streaks of red, yellow, orange and green; nothing of the visuals I was hoping for nor expecting. Plus I hadn't slept a minute the first night. At lunch I expressed my frustration to one of the trainers and she suggested that I was being pushed to learn all this from an 'energetic' sense. She added the idea that purple often involved healing. Those ideas actually resonated with me and I determined to go with the flow of whatever presented itself. The rest of the days sessions were all more color tours, with brief and fleeting visuals. Eventually I came to realize that these color tours were not simply random synaptic firings but rather some type of energy movements and patterns that I should try to follow as best I could.  The final session that night I found myself again in the purple/violet colors but this time they resolved into a visual of a purple ocean. I looked for land, but could find none and finally decided to just dive into the purple ocean where I dove down a hundred feet or so, into the icy darkness, and just relaxed there releasing myself to whatever energy was there.

The next day was much the same with tours through purple and violet energies. Did not sleep that night either; I was nearly physically exhausted and mentally drained. Again, late in the day, I found myself at a purple ocean but this time I spied a beach and landscape; so again I took the plunge and rocketed through the depths like a supersonic dolphin. It was refreshing and invigorating to swim like this! I wasn't necessarily happy about my results but at least I had gotten something more than the previous sessions.

One of the last sessions was an intro to F22 which they informed us could touch on some 'Hellish' regions or dark areas of some kinds of 'purgatories' where we might see souls who were seriously stuck in difficult places. We were not supposed to try and rescue anybody here, at least initially; this was a kind of precursor tour through F22 and eventually we would end up in a slightly higher Focus (23) where we would eventually do our retrieval work. This session became an incredible turning point for me- it was an epic tour of a purple hellish landscape of lost and tormented souls, an incredible surreal visual that finally punctuated my earlier color tours. I flew slowly, sometimes low, sometimes higher about two hundred feet over mountain ranges and shorelines, all bathed in dark and purple. The darkness and color didn't bother me, I had spent two days in purple and violet. My emotions were in control, yet I could feel the depth of the pain and misery and sense of 'lost' below and around me, in people and creatures hidden in the recesses below. I reached out to help a few times but quickly realized the futility of my attempts. I must have flown a hundred miles taking in this godforsaken scenery. The whole experience was a strange kind of dichotomy for me: On one hand I was finally getting a lengthy visual that I could put into a context; on the other hand that context was a nightmarish scenery of Hell/Purgatory. The Hemi-Sync instructions occasionally were heard to look for the somewhat brighter region of F23 and I thought that I could just catch a glimpse of sunshine far off beyond the mountain ranges, but I could never quite work my way over to it. Finally I put out the mental question- Where am I?
In a weird kind of humor the answer blazed before me in unmistakable numbers-22 1/2...
And then the return signal sounded and I came back.

By the third day I had slept a few hours, was somewhat recovered. Today we were to attempt our first retrieval. My expectations were at rock bottom; I had zero confidence. The first few sessions were designed to take us to Focus 27, familiarize ourselves with the Park, the Reception Center and the Healing and Rejuvenation Center. I got nearly nothing from that: maybe some vague, what felt like self-generated imaginings of souls moving into and through these areas...and then just more purple color tours. I understood the idea of kick-starting the process, priming the pump with a little imagination but it just felt incomplete, I wasn't trusting any of the feedback I was getting. In this latest session, we were to move to 27, obtain the assistance of a guide and move down to F23 to look for and assist any stuck souls that grabbed our NP attention. Yeah, I didn't feel too confident about accomplishing that.

So I went to 27, or what felt to me like 27. I asked around for guidance and felt nothing in response. So I said 'to hell with it' and dove down anyway to what I felt was 23. I was back in colors and swimming around through what were now energies I had known for a few days. It took a couple minutes but I felt 'something'. It was a new color, a new energy, a different feel. And I 'knew' it was in need of help; so I reached out to it in the only way I could think of- not physically, but mentally and with a little sincere emotion (feel/think). And then something like a pop-up window on a computer screen appeared for me. It was just a small visual screen set within my focus and it only lasted maybe five seconds. It was a modern day soldier, American I think but am not sure. He was leading a squad in line-ahead along a ridgeline in what looked like the Middle East and they were suddenly hit with automatic gunfire and all went to the ground. And the visual was gone. I 'knew' he had been hit and killed by 4 or 5 bullets. But I was back swimming in energy colors.

Then the visual screen opened again, maybe for another five seconds; but this time it was larger and I could almost feel myself standing within the scene. I was standing over him and he was looking up at me with the realization that I was unconcerned about the suppressive fire going on and he was likely already dead. He says to me, "It happens that quickly?" And instinctively I respond to him, "Yeah, it can happen that quickly." The visual fades. When the visual comes in again I am now fully within the scene 100%. I reach out my hand and he takes it and I help him to his feet. I say to him, "It's alright now, we can go. I'm going to take you to a place where this can all get sorted out." He holds on tight as we lift into the air and the transition to 27 is much quicker than I thought it would be, maybe just two or three seconds. I am back to sensing only energies there and as I let him go it is in the midst of several very bright and white cloud-forms of energy and I know everything is good.

So that was my first retrieval at Lifeline. There were several others. All very different and unexpected.

It might be of interest that a later session in the day involved each of us going to 27 and entering the Healing and Rejuvenation Center to ask for our own individual healing. Again, I found this a bit difficult to visualize so I finally re-imagined some old friends to help me- the young man and woman attendants from my Back to School adventure. They actually appeared quite readily and asked "How can we help you now?" The scene and my place within it became instantly stronger and I asked for some healing and they marched me down a hallway and handed me off to another guy who took me into an examination room. He asked what he could do for me and I said that I probably could use some healing on many levels. Just use your best judgment I said.

He looked at me and said, "What do you think all the purple was about?"

 

What a wild experience Nameless! Definitely an eye-opener! Nice!

This is another example of something I have slowly come to realize over many years- often these very strange dreams/experiences are actually healing experiences. The trouble for me is that they can be so strange and initially uncomfortable and unsettling that I often become resistant and abort the experience.

I was recently doing a course at The Monroe Institute and during one of the sessions I had the chance for a 'do-over' of a healing experience that I had rejected a few years ago; this time, I recognized what was happening and let the process follow through to completion, even though it was quite unnerving at first. My memory of it was sparked by the comment of another participant during the lunch that followed the session. She commented that she had literally been 'run through the wringer' in a bodily/energetic fashion. (A wringer is an old device: an attachment to a clothes-washing tub that consisted of two wooden rollers powered by a hand crank and you would feed the freshly-washed clothing through it to squeeze out the water). I remarked that I had gone through a similar process that I called the 'veggie chopper' where a square of translucent glass descended over me and a grid of metal slicers repeatedly 'sliced and diced' me. I felt my NP body fall into 32 chunks, then a second pass reduced me to 64, and finally what felt like 128...quite an odd feeling as my awareness lay on the floor of the cubicle in momentarily separate yet self-aware pieces, lol. The Trainer who was sitting at our table confirmed that these are forms of healing and methods for balancing our energies.

Many of us come into this practice hoping for and expecting guidance in a very direct manner- someone to converse with, a comforting voice, at the least some writing in the sky...it would appear that these forms of communication are somewhat rare and different between individuals.

Messages in the form of metaphor seem to be most common, so don't be disappointed. Learning to decipher the metaphor forces you not only to figure out the message, but to contemplate the how and why these messages took this form. Learning this form of communication is part of your NP development and is a unique insight into just how YOU are interpreting the energy that is being communicated to you. It can be frustrating at times when you just want a straight-forward answer, but you will come to appreciate the beauty of this learning method.

If the message is initially unclear, you might try devoting a twenty minute session to meditating just on this and see if more becomes known.

So what did you learn from these metaphors?

A wonderful experience LB!

Based on my own experiences over the last several years, this now describes to me clearly a healing/reorientation kind of event for you, and a good one. Your perspective was a bit removed but you were still there to observe and it made sense...meaning you retained a sense of cognition. That seems to be the position they put you into. In this case, observe and report.  The sense of Atlas...yeah, a good representation of the energetic architecture at work...maybe even Atlas Shrugged...funny how these representations present...IDK, mine often don't fully fit with my belief constructs...lol...maybe that's just the point... they keep pushing our thinking...but you saw that there is a construct and an order to Earth's existence...a crucial distinction.

What comes across to me is that everything you experienced was an energetic exchange of various information and that much of it is beyond our understanding at the moment and a certain amount of time is required for assimilation.

LB, I don't need to tell you this. There is much more in this experience that needs to 'unpack' at it's own rate. You already know how to allow that process to unfold. My mention of it is only for the benefit of others. This is how it works.

Nice one.
EV

I suppose that it is possible, but why? Have you not been able to communicate with your own guides? I spent years in frustration trying vainly to contact my own, with seemingly no results. Only recently have I come across enough information to suggest that I may have actually wanted it this way from the beginning. This might also be your case, but I would first suggest modifying your attempts at communicating. It was suggested to me to not just ask mentally, but also verbally and out loud. I recently did this, asking for clarification in some of my experiences and received interesting results which convinced me to investigate this technique further. Also consider, if you haven't already, making the request at different times and circumstances:during morning meditation, in prayer, before sleep asking for a dream response, trying an affirmation or two. Just some ideas.