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yeah, i thought the same thing about the falling asleep. i am also wide awake when my eyes start to flutter. i can't recall where i read that . it may have been ad . it may have been lucid dreaming by stephen laberge. it hasnt happened for a while though, so i can't recall exactly what it feels like.

w/ reguard to the natural evolving process... we are the only species on the planet to be able to have cracked the genome. the n atural selection process was bound to happen. i was thinking that this was wrong in a way too until one of my friends pointed out that we evolved to that point. as humans we can only evolve so far w/out the use of technology. we are not where we could be w/out the use of technology but, if we were at that point, then would the next step be? it's possible that cracking the genome is natural and everthing is following as it should. i dont know where i stand on this but i think this is a good point that hasnt been brought up yet on a  good topic.

"once i knew a man who looked like a chihuahua, so i pet him ."

that helicopter incident is great. that's something that will push you over your skeptical border, if you had one. life altering to say the least, mind blowing if possible.

to say yes to one instance, is to say yes to all of existance.

sadhu sadhu sadhu. which i believe transalates into excellent excellent excellent.  

i would like to say how much i can feel your enthusiasm. i have had an experience like that which also changed my life and i recall how euphoric i was for the next week while telling everyone. also i remember how it didnt seem to excite everyone else the way it did me and i felt like i was all dressed up w/ nowhere to go kinda. no one wanted to hear anymore about what i was saying but i just kept up till it got old anywa.i can't say that i know exactly how you feel but i have an excellent idea.

your dream lasting that long is incredible. i don't know if it actually lasted that long or not but if you can clearly and vividly recall three hours of a dream.. that's impressive. i have read a few lucid dreaming books and they all say time isnt the same in our dreams as it is in waking life. i once read that there was a report of a lucid dreaming expert who lived one hundred years in one dream. i cant recall his name right  now.

milla jovavich is a pimp. well if girls could be pimps she would be one. no, i take that bck .. she is a pimp.

i believe i've been in love before but i've learned to accept that i'll never actually know anything and everything i think i know is just how i m perceiving things at that time. which doesnt take away from anything but makes me more aware of things.

i genuinely hope you are happy w/ what you are doing and who you are doing it w/ . things sound more than great, so they are that. seeing anyone this happy truly makes me ecstatic. thnx for sharing your life altering exp.
may the rest be great.

this quote isn't mine.. i stole it from someone in high school. it's so damn funny.
"i once knew a man that looked like a chihuahua, so i pet him."

the best way to see her in "person" would be to project. meditation is great for just communicating but if you want the experience to be more vivid then i suggest you keep practicing the projection excersizes. dont get discouraged by not being able to do it. of course it's going to be hard at first. most things that are worth it are. don't worry about not being able to get past the vibratory stage. if you keep it up it will happen. the good thing about taking a long time to project is as soon as you get past what is stopping you , you are going to be a pro at doing all of the rest of the stuff. you'll be overdeveloped in other areas and as soon as you master whatever is bothing you, you'll be flying high all the time. i'm not saying you are but, rushing through any of the excersizes just wont work. i thought i was special at first and tried to speed up the pace only to find that i stumped myself and had to go back and start at an earlier practice than what i was on. maybe re-evaluating  the entire process you are using step by step. i know it seems like a step backward and you've probably read it before but it truly is better to take everything slow. also keep in mind that you wont project until you are ready. i hope this helps and i hope you get out soon.

definetly could be something... not to burst any bubbles but definetly could be nothing too. i find myself waking and remember waht i was just reading in my dream. it's always a bunch of random words together that i can't amke any sense out of . i'm kinda shocked that i read them so fluidly because they are so mismatched. that idea about the lotto is definetly wortha shot. i may even go play them. if i win i'll split it w/ you.

that's really incredible taht you succeeded. i think it's even more incredible that you stayed lucid that long. most first time ld's only last a second or right past the point of recognition.  it was true for me as well.  as soon as i started flying or got too excited i would lose it next. here is a key point that i didnt find out till too late. wahtever it is that yo uare doing to induce the dreams keep doing. just because you have had one or ten doesnt meant you'll keep having them. i trailed off my practices after about a month and stopped lding altogether. i just thought i broke the barrier and now they would just keep coming. keep writing everything down and if you dont already have a book on lding then go get one and read it in your spare time. even after youve finished reading it, carryit around and when you are standing in line somewhere or something, just open it up and page through it to keep everything fresh on your mind. good luck.

the longest that you can be out for is until you wake up. if you are worreid about not getting any sleep while you are out, i believe that when you are out that your body is sleeping. the problem w/ losing consciousness is that if you project while you are asleep your double may also be asleep. i'm still not sure why you would want to project while you are asleep. if you give a good description of exactly waht you are shooting for maybe i can give some better advice. i believe there are more people on here that do the trance and energy work right before they go to sleep and then  reassure themselves that they are going to wake up right as the projection starts. maybe this would more up your alley, but i believe the whole point of ad was for conscious exits. the really great thing about conscious exit is the ability to remember everything better. if you consciously project and then keep returning to your physical to download the memories you can stay out all night w/ full recall. obviously this would take a lot of practice but well worth the effort i'm sure. even if  you dont physicically connect w/ yourself to dl the memories while out you can always use they keyword tek to help. hope this helps

i've found if you do some energy and trance work before you go to sleep that it will help w/ projections when you are asleep. maybe if you did that and then instead of trying to project you just went to sleep w/ a firm intention to project while you were asleep. i've found if i've done some energy and trance work before i go to sleep it increases activity when i m asleep. whether it be a lucid dream or a spontaneous projection. i'm curious to know if you have projected or not yet and why you would want to do it more when you are asleep. i know all of my practice will be towards conscious exit projections.  i find the more i try to have them the more spontaneous ones i get when i m asleep.

why wouldnt they tell you who/what they were?

happy day. whatever day it is i wish everyone a happy one.

tripping is what brought me here. everytime i would trip i would end up seeing one of the tube like structures that are described in ad and would flip out at how incredible it was to be flying through a tunnel w/ musicl notes coming through. after a while i wanted to get here naturally and i went to the bookstore, happened to pick up ad, and flipped right to the page describing the structure. i haven't tripped since then and i don't think i plan on it. i do remember a few times having some bad experiences while tripping. they werent horrible but i could see how they would be. there is just something about doing it naturally that makes it seem more real and meaningful.

but, if you are going to keep tripping.. have fun.. that excrement is crazy fun when everything is right. i had some of the best times of my life tripping w/ friends. it changed my life.

you probably had an obe. the first few i had i thought were dreams because i wasnt aware at the time. i just woke up w/ the memory of it. i was convinced it was a dream until i had my first clear obe. i woke up halfway through the projection this time and realized that this was just like the "dream" i thought i had before. every time my vision was so horrible that i thought my eyes may have been closed and i was using astral sight to see. i tried opening my eyes and was zapped back into my physiczl.   i barely had any control over my movement. a good idea would be to do the hands ck. i've found that if you do any of the cks during your waking state that they will be easier to remember to do in any other situation. the trick is to actually ck during the waking state w/ the expected outcome unknown until the ck is over. you can't do any of the ck's and in the back of your mind expect the result to be that you are awake.

if you do project to an unpleasant environment, is there any way you can make it pleasant? when you get there if you generate sincere love and compassion for those beings and the environment, is it possible to change it or help them?

i dont worry about the dweller but there are times right at the time that projection is supposed to occur that i think about what i would do if the dweller was there. i believe i would be sympathetic and kind to him and maybe ask him to help me out or something.

those exp are the best. i remember once waking up in what i think was a dream. i was mario in n64 mario world. everytyhing was 3d like the game and i was busting blocks by jumping up like he does in the game. it would be nice to be able to do this whenever you wanted. maybe a different level each night till you get to a big boss.

i'm  not that experienced w/ prjections yet but i'm going to reply to this because nobody else has yet.

the swirling feeling you speak of i recall gettinga few times after immediately laying down. i dont think you need to do anything else but lay down. i'm sure there are other conditions which would help get there faster and which may have been present at the times in which we both got there faster than we should have.

this could be totally off but i'll offer it anyway. i think you mentioned that you didnt actually project, maybe you didnt actually project but were using remote viewing. there have been other cases where people have projected or thought they had and found that they were in the rtz but w/ subtle changes in it. try doing a search for somethng like this and see what comes up.

your last question i dont think needs any technical talk. if you want to increase your projections, practice practice practice. the more you do this the more second nature it's going to be.

i've read some on doing retrieval work and the such. i m under the impression that it's not something that we all go through as part of a learning proecess but rather something that we choose to do. as for doing it while we are asleep .. i cant say we do or dont, however, i feel like this is something that we consciously choose to do and couldnt see as how maybe we would stumble upon it.  i've seen Frank give an array of answers on this subject. if he doesnt get a chance to respond to this, maybe pm him and give him a heads up to this topic.

i hope you get the rest of your questions answered, good luck projecting.

at first i thought it was my spirit guide but then i remebered that this was the third voice from the astral that i have heard w/in a two week period and i started to think if i had  aguide it would  be an appointed one .. right? so i thought maybe that all three of these voices were just passser bys.

i dont recall where i read this at .. .may have been ad or some lucid dream book, however, your eyes fluttering like that is you about to enter into rem. if i recall correctly you are supposed to rub your thumb and pointer finger together gently until they stop. or actually rub your eyelids gently. if you are having any other problems at all, post it up here. i m also working on my first conscious exit and i m just as anxious to help others out as i m to get myself out. hope this helps. good luck.

i dont believe you can ever see nothing. you can still see light through your eyelids. if you are seeing images while you are lying down w/ eyes closed most likely it's hypnogogic imagery. it's what you see as you start to dream.

also when i close my eyes i can always see the beginnings of an astral gateway. the tubelike structrured one. i can be very active physically and close my eyes and as long as i can get it to be pretty dark i can see it. so it may be something related to taht.

i believe also that there is a chance that when you cant see anything w/ your physical eyes that you strain to see, which helps open up the brow chakra, your  instincts take over somewhat and you start to feel out w/ more than the physical sense. whatever other dimensions exist on top of  this one are made more apearant.
have fun

the tubelike structures are mentioned in ad. they are gateways to the planes. it says that they are probably the same as any other gateway but that people w/ better developed crown or brow centers may experience these type of gateways instead of the straight, level, gridded ones that most other poeple do. i can sometimes see them right before a projection right above my head. it looks as though  i m riding a roller coaster that's caged in from all sides. very cool looking , feeling and sounding.

about the practicing. i have been trying to project for about six months now
and i just got out the other night. i was half asleep and woke up to a halfway projected double and went w/ it.

 i have had a lot of experience experimenting w/ how much practice can be or should be done in a day or even one sitting. i've had plenty of time on my hands and this has become a big goal of mine to be able to do consciously. sometimes i would practice for about ten hours a day. i'm not doing it unhealthily or anything. im very physically active and the times that i've done practive for about ten hours a day have been spaced out. it's not me jsut lying in my house like a lump for days in a row.


  i have done some type of energy/trance work every day for the past six months for at least an hour each day.

 after plenty of trial and error, i've found the best way to manage time during one day  is to practice for about half an hour to an hour the first time and then to get up and do something fora bout fifteen minutes. lie down and try again for about fifteen minutes. repeat the fifteen minute stages over and over. any stage that you got to earlier you can easily get rigth back to w/ in about a min.  for example...if you can get close to the vibratory state after about an hour of trying, then you get up and move around for about fifteen minutes, then try again.. it should only take about two miinutes to get back to the same stage.

 it should get easier and faster w/ each fifteen minute shot.  i've found that trying for two hours straight is not the way to do it. i know that it may feel sometime that you are right on the verge of the vibratory state and that you dont want to get up and lose the trance state when you are so close. however, this appears to be much faster, and less tiring, physically and mentally.

 i've actually found it possible to do some energy and trance work off an on for an hour or two, while able to get myself into a nice level of trance, stopping for an  hour or more and being able to get right back to where i was in about two minutes.

 if you have any more questions about time management, feel free to ask. i've experimented a lot w/ this and would be glad to help.

 unfortunately right now i'm having trouble w/ my neck area still. it seemsi cant get it comfortable unless i fall asleep. even though i know i'm in a position where i could easily fall asleep. i'm thinking it may just be psychological. as soon as it clears up i will be able to project in less than ten minutes i think. i feel that i m over developed in all of the other stages leading up to the exit because of how much time i have spent trying to project.

 the vibratory stage i've been able to acomplish a bunch of differnent times by getting in a good level of trance and then trying to raise as much energy as i could through my entire body. not necessariy from the feet up either. if you just think to yourself that your whole body is about to blow up llike a blowfish w/ massive amounts of energy and actually feel it happening, w/out moving your physical body, it should help.

also about the wind chimes you've heard, the astral gateways that are shaped like a tube are filled w/ this type of music and i've often heard this. it's very pleasant sounding and does kind of sound like metal wind chimes.
somtimes you can hear the music before you actually see the structure.

 the more you do this stuff the more second nature it becomes. i belive after a while, if we all keep this up, we are going to have more trouble stopping projections than accomplishing them. good luck.

are there other entities that actually have the job title of guide? or are there just beings out there that happen to choose at that time to help someone out?
i'm wondering if you could ask for a  deceased relative to be a guide. also, assuming that re-incarnation is true, what if you wanted to meet a deceased person but it's been over ten years or so since they've gone?

once when i was doing some drugs i had a similair exp. i was moving around in the physical and there was this huge tunnel right in front of me and it was kinda how you described it above.

i'm wondering about this truthteller... i'm going to read carlos' book but does he say in there or has nayone known it to be possible for questions to be answered about the future. i wouldnt see how this was possible. i mean if it was then everything would be writtin out already and all of this would be kinda fake.

i'm interested in this and curious. if you have any more specific info that would be great. i'm wondering would sitting up against the wall would be just as good or if leaning would be out of the question. i dont think i can sleep sitting straight up.thnx for your help

i havent been able to project yet but wheni do i will try this. i believe there is a section in ad that says how robert likes the voids that exist because they are anice place for prayer and to meditate.