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Welcome to the Forum Rconrad!

The first 3 Boards have some dark blue 'stickies' that are worthwhile reading material, so be sure to poke around those for awhile. Then, if you have some specific questions or comments, there are plenty of answers, ideas and speculation that can be shared.

I've also had vibrations since the Seventies; it was Monroe's first book that clued me in to what they were. Now I realize that they were possibly one of several 'wake-up calls' or alarms set for me to kick-start my interest in the NP. Thinking back on the 'vibes' makes me realize it was like somebody ringing my doorbell for ten years or so, until I finally noticed and answered the door, Lol!

Happy travels!

Glad to hear from you Simo!

That sounds like a great experience! My own advice is that my experiences happen much the same way- late night wake-ups or early morning (after bathroom visits); this is when I find myself in the proper ratio of tiredness/sleep/rested...so it is really a questionable kind of condition...my advice is not to beat yourself up over the fact, but rather to accept the condition and work with it. Set your alarm early and set your Intent! Use one of Lumaza's excellent techniques!

The mirror melting is a strong indication of the 'malleability' of the material...the lesson being that the mirror could have transported you somewhere, or translated you within and into a different state. The beauty of this lesson is that it did not tell you this in an outright way, but it did 'hint' at the idea. That should make sense to you (I love these first experiences, because there are like fourteen different lessons to be learned...lol). Understanding that your degree of Intent is now of such importance to the process, is now so apparent, the solution should be understandable. There are a lot of 'educational' forces at work here. Don't fight it, don't grump about it. Keep pushing and you will learn as the process moves along...

This is my current perspective...later and greater authorities may supercede me...

Those are good first experiences.

You made good use of your initial "Intent". Now, as Nameless suggested, you should consider modifying your Intent slightly, for a more specific result. Your deeper/higher self really does respond to these specific declarations. The process does require this and it can work that easy...at times. Nameless' suggestion is also the primary "default" Intent to work from...when nothing else seems to work...default to that. That is a BIGGIE! ---"Show me the next best possible lesson I need to learn."

We all have our various ideosyncrosies...one of yours may be the "indian position"...okay, go with that, don't fight it; at least for now. The moans and groans you heard the first time will re-appear from time to time. This is the hypnogogic "noise' that is a kind of "local" disturbance effect. You either get caught up in it or you learn to ignore it. After 50 plus years, it still catches me off-guard from time to time, lol. It is just a part of the fun...ignore it and stick to your Intent!

Your description of your first experiences follows the normal RTZ/Etheric route...you are in your bedroom/your house...you are still loosely associated to your physical body...various feelings or sensations are still 'physically' located...There are certain lessons to be learned and achieved here, even beginning with maneuvering around your bedroom/house...certain lessons about movement/navigation (how do you move? How do you know where you are? How do you move from where you are to where you want to be?)This is a key point in thinking back upon your childhood dreams and how you might have already dealt with some of these 'dream tests'......

Make sure that you write all your specific points down. If you choose to pursue this, then you will find your notes to be invaluable at some later date. I cannot stress this point enough.

You have a 'classic' start! Keep doing what you are doing. Take notes. Have no fear and have fun! Be bold and fearless! Always know that you are not alone and that help is available. You are an explorer of the far reaches of human consciousness...

This will begin to change if you continue and pursue this AP experience...you will begin to lose the 'physical' approximation. This will require a kind of re-wiring of your current thinking...it's not that big of a change...and yet, it is...

Well said baro-san,

Excellently expressed and pointed...

In its' own interesting manner, the Pulse language filter offers its' unique (AI) opinion with regard to Melville's opus work, Moby (penile structure)...lol. Great book...taught me all I need to know about whaling... and also a masterful, almost musical construct of language; one of the great books that should be read.

As far as Phasing is concerned, the technique is still utilized by various people, but from a wider perspective, finding an entrance into NPR seems to be a moving target, and I am still trying to figure out the pattern or if there even is one.

The last thirty years for me were a mixture of LDs and the classic 'etheric/RTZ' OBEs. Once I came to the Pulse and learned of Phasing, I pretty quickly started doing that and it became quite easy to recognize the proper moment and just 'go'. For a few years, I was certain that I had found MY method and that was that. But over time, it became harder for reasons I haven't yet understood. The experiences themselves continue to become increasingly complex and introduce me to new concepts and abilities, but the last couple years have almost exclusively been LDs even though I have attempted various other methods. One theory I have considered is that I am being pushed to learn other techniques. Having said that, I am getting some variety of old and new exits and experiences, but the old days of easy Phasing seem sadly unavailable for now.

I do sense that there are certain discoverable patterns in all this, but the sheer variety of experiences multiplied by countless individual interpretations, makes discerning patterns rather difficult. It does seem, though, that many experiences appear to maneuver us, to circle us back around to certain lessons, before we are allowed to move on. One of the first battery of lessons is obviously confronting and controlling our emotions such as fear, sexual desire, excitement, confusion, etc. This all serves to achieving a stable mindset. Alongside these lessons, we are learning movement, navigation, communication, entity-recognition, etc. The use and application of Intent is a big one. So, why wouldn't learning a variety of exit techniques be encouraged as a part of this?

Lumaza certainly has some great stickies on Phasing methods such as the Doorway or his 6 Point method.  If visualization exercises such as these don't work, then maybe try Szaxx' Astral Blueprint, Frank's PDF, Major Tom's Vigil method. These focus somewhat on passively 'noticing' the hypnogogia as it develops; this worked for me in a WBTB situation, which was really the only way I could be relaxed enough to relinquish control enough to get to a Focus 10 level or deeper.

I agree with what Karxx and Nameless and Xanth are telling you.

I will add a couple points, but I want to back up for a minute and analyze your lack of experience with dreaming. Are you saying that you have NEVER experienced or remembered even a single dream or a fragment of one? I find that hard to believe, but I suppose it is possible. I haven't read of any scientific research declaring a genetic or physiological reason. The culture one grows up in can definitely have a profound effect; some cultures embrace the relevance of dreams while many others almost completely disregard them. If they aren't important then you don't focus on them; therefore they are not remembered.

The sleep/dream research have consistently shown that EVERYONE dreams; it is an absolutely necessary physiological and psychological function much as a computer needs to routinely have its hard-drive de-fragmented and TIF files deleted, etc. If this is so, then the question becomes one of first remembering, then becoming lucid or 'present' within the dream and becoming familiar with your dream 'self'. And like any skill, it can be learned with consistent practice and patience. Your dream 'self' is arguably similar if not the same as your NP 'self', so if you are looking for baby-steps, then I think that is the place to start: Get to know your dream self by learning to remember your dreams.

Nameless touched on an important point that also occurred to me: Have you ever daydreamed? For instance, you were in class, not listening to the instruction; instead, your mind was far away thinking about something else until your awareness was pulled back by the teacher repeatedly calling your name. That is a form of Phasing, call it Phasing-lite. All forms of Non-Physical Experience, whether it's Phasing or OBE or Dreaming, etc. involve re-focusing your awareness away from the Physical body and re-directing it to some(place?) else. So if you have daydreamed then you already have some idea of what Phasing is...

So how do you begin remembering your dreams? You need 2 things: A sense of purpose and a plan.

The sense of purpose is INTENT. I think that INTENT is likely the most fundamental and necessary 'first step' in attempting any NP activity, and also in sustaining the experience. If you become even marginally proficient in having any kind of NP experiences, you will quickly learn that INTENT becomes a component of practically every action you take. I capitalize the word because it is so very important. INTENT is determination, it is purpose, it is clear-minded thought, it translates into action, it is characterized by its intensity...this becomes readily apparent within the nearly instantaneous thought-responsive environment of the Non-Physical Reality. If you have no INTENT, then you go nowhere; if you have poor, weak or mis-directed INTENT then you quickly lose energy, lose direction, become distracted and the experience degenerates or ends.

So, in remembering your dreams, #1 Intent is needed to make a determined, dedicated and consistent practice of following #2, your plan. The plan is pretty simple- Affirmations. Write down 2 or 3 short, simple, positively-worded statements that you read out loud 3 times every night before bed. Do the same affirmations for a week, then maybe modify them as you see fit. Something like-

"I dream every night and I remember my dreams."
"Every night, my dreaming awareness and memory become stronger and stronger."
"I enjoy my dream adventures and look forward to them."

Write them down once a day, say them 3 times each night. Also keep a notebook and pen next to your bed and take the time to make notes of any impressions that come through. These are all various forms of communicating with your inner self, re-programming your subconscious to let it know what you want and expect.

Do this consistently for 2 weeks and I will be interested in hearing your results. It most definitely IS baby-steps.

I think that both Bloodshadow and Nameless have given you some good ideas in how to progress from this point.

What were the 'clear images'? Nameless might be right in suggesting you allowing these images to develop and progress.

Personally, I've never gotten to this point from a sitting, meditative posture, so you have my appreciation. Like Bloodshadow said, you may still need to move a bit deeper in order to find the 'release point'. This requires another level of relaxation, such as passively observing the images as Nameless suggested, or trying a few exit techniques as Bloodshadow mentioned. Try Lumaza's six-point tech: imagine your awareness 5 feet in front of you, then behind, then to the left, right, above and below. If you get any sense of movement, then follow and allow that. If the images seem to develop and evolve, then go with that.

Bloodshadow is right: If you are sensing through your eyelids then you have made a transition into your energy/dreaming body (whatever you choose to call it), but you still have to find a release point in order to move out. This may actually be a bit of a predicament of choice: Do you make an Etheric exit and stumble into your bedroom (I'm assuming) or are you Astrally active and able to step into a visual (such as Nameless is suggesting)? This would be a Phasing exit. Based on your description, it is hard to say just where you are at this point; and that may be a part of what is blocking you here. Your chakra and energy work certainly point at either option being open to you, at least from an energy standpoint; meaning that you have enough energy to do either. So it may be a purely mental choice in the sense that you haven't had to think this way before, to decide which 'consciousness vehicle' you will occupy to interact with an entirely new Non-Physical Reality. Also, this is a very common place to get stuck at the first couple of close tries. A lot of possible reasons for that: New concepts, new thoughts, new realizations...it takes a little time for it to sink in. Like when you were 4 and standing at the edge of the swimming pool. Most of us freeze; not just the first time, but often twice; then we take the plunge. Then we learn to hold our breath, to splash awkwardly for the edge...eventually we learn to tread water, to swim and dive, basic stuff, but early on a real challenge. Your awareness may be waiting on you to decide which energy environment to move into...something to consider now.

I don't wish to make it more difficult or mysterious than it actually is. You have already experienced a form of this consciousness shift in either a normal dream or a Lucid Dream. So you already have some experience with this different consciousness. What you are exploring is just another way of getting there.

Express your Intent of what you want to do, then relax and let go. You may lose awareness for a time, or get a 'click-out' briefly. That's okay, just let it happen and get your feet wet. Go! Do it! Have fun!

Welcome to the Pulse BabyLion!

This is a great question you are asking. And the possible linkage to the 'astral' body function or exit symptoms is worthy of exploring. Having suffered? with tinnitus for 10 plus years now, I have wondered about the same questions. Sadly, I haven't found much in the way of answers.

The times that I have attempted to utilize this as either a focusing-target or as a non-focusing white noise have not yielded results for me; perhaps your post will prompt me to try again. After all, the noise is there, it's free and it's apparently not going away anytime soon...

I hoped for a time that it was somehow 'frequency-related', maybe indicating a positive condition...not so sure about that now. But I do agree with you that it does seem to harmonize with some of the exit noises such as ear-ringing.

With that aside, congratulations on experiencing the exit symptoms that you did. These are some of the first signs that you are making progress. My advice is to not get too hung up on making a fully conscious exit. Try different times during the day or night with naps, WBTB or early morning wake-ups. It's okay if you fall asleep or 'click out' and find yourself within a WILD such as you did...perfectly valid. The way you get there isn't so much as important as what you do with it when you get there. And this will start with small steps and get better over time. You're doing great! Have fun!

Make sure you acquaint yourself with the 'blue sticky' on  Exit Signs/Symptoms.

Tuning the instrument, eh Selski?

Chocolate seems to have a special and unique relationship to the NP, lol. I wonder sometimes.

First some consciousness 'bounce-around', maybe a slightly etheric exercise, you dodged any confusions and stretched your muscles. Aren't those first REM periods SO MUCH chaotic fun!?

The colors, the sounds, the vividness and distinct quality to it all. The cognitive functioning, the internal dialog/knowing...all this despite being in a subdued awareness situation. More distractions that you noted, then ignored and blew past. Nicely done.

It's like you are checking the underlying programming, prepping your equipment; a kind of rehearsal, if you will. I've been through this 'systems check' a few times now; it's really cool to recognize it, like an adventure park ride about to launch...5, 4, 3, 2...

Yes Szaxx, I think that I have gleaned several ideas from this experience that are possibly stretching my boundaries. Thanks to everyone's thoughtful suggestions, I have been able to consider this experience from multiple perspectives and each offers stepping stones to new insights for me.

1- Form versus Function- In our earliest experiences, we are just trying to hold on and not end the experience prematurely; we look around desperately for as many details as we can remember. As our experiences begin to last for longer periods, we begin to see patterns and symbolism in the events and details of what occurs. Some of this is no doubt important, other times not so much; the difficulty and challenge is learning just what IS NOT important which is almost as significant as learning what IS important.
   For me, beginning about three years ago, I had stabilized my experiences enough that I could also take an occasional look-around and wonder just where in the NP I was, and whether that may be an important fact to know. Recently, an additional idea has occurred to me- that the details of an experience are important primarily to me, of course, but that I should also try to pay attention to the 'feel' of a place in order to possibly understand the 'function' of the particular environment; having a good idea of the function may, in turn, assist me in dealing with the details.

So, in Scene 1 as I off-loaded from a bus with several others (possibly other Dreamers), even in a subdued awareness, I was aware that this was likely a Simulation. The situation of an auto auction was a familiar one for me, so maybe it was just to put me in a comfortable environment. The auction ended almost immediately, so I have no other explanation for it except that the orange car caught my attention, possibly signaling my level of Dream Awareness (#6 in my scale) and possibly a 'transactional' quality to the experience going forward.

In Scene 2, the incredibly high staircase to my left almost reached into the clouds. My initial NP confidence in being able to climb it was tempered by the fact of its 'fairy-tale' nature. Then my partner/guide said a flat- "No way." And that decided it for me. I instinctively knew to consider another way. The tunnels were dark and descending- no good. With no other options, I instinctively manifested a 'middle way' and that worked.

I initially thought the 'function' of this environment was to challenge my finding a way back to the parking lots/Transition Areas. Since we didn't end up there, rather the test moved into a third phase, maybe the function was something else. Given Szaxx's hints, I think this was a test in my being too confident in thinking I could go anywhere in the NP with impunity. Now, I don't suffer from such over-confidence that I think I can kick down any and all doors; at the proper times I think I show proper respect. With that said, if my guide hadn't subtly cautioned me, I likely would have headed up the staircase...and probably gotten spanked badly for it. So, thanks be to my low level, instinctive awareness, lol.

In Scene 3a, I completely missed the 'function' of it, even though it is a scenario I have been looking forward to (meeting an Instructor as a waitress in a diner). I did manage to slog my way through parts of the menu, but still got distracted by the details. Still, I must have done enough to set the stage for Scene 3b and make the transition.

Scene 3b- I recognized the hospital environment, but the 'retrieval' idea didn't occur to me. Possibly the message that I telepathed her way made enough impression that the little guy(s) could go to work. The sister/little brother duo may be something different from the Astral Surgical Team; I seem to vaguely remember them from childhood days. Szaxx, the 'good luck' image is indeed an old one, and possible, but the surgical garb remains a stronger image/feel for me.

                                                      ________________________

A couple further thoughts-

Szaxx wrote that, "The better we are at controlling our own mind and limiting the intent behind reacting to whatever appears is key to gaining a new ability."

You have a wonderful way of presaging these events for me sometimes Szaxx, maybe a few weeks early on this one, lol. I won't go into the unglorified details of just how it came about but a few days ago, I got introduced to a new ability, and a recognition of a new mindset. The mindset involved how a high level Intent can result in an extreme level of Determination, which can in turn, bring on a new ability, not simply from need, but from absolute requirement, and in an instant.
  So, when you make someone disappear, is it good etiquette to 'define' a place for them to go?

Finally, and this is the big take-away:

Szaxx, you pointed out that 'high awareness' leaves us more prone to distractions, so maybe they force 'subdued awareness' upon us in order to minimize distractions. I agree with that but will add another idea, that within subdued awareness our Intent is planted much deeper and imbedded in a much more permanent and solid fashion.

You began describing the process in one of your replies: We start with an Intent to project in some fashion, then we shift that Intent to maintaining/stabilizing the experience, including Intents to avoid Fear, Confusion, Excitement, Sexual Urge, etc.. Then the necessary Intents shift into movement and navigation, noticing signals, communication, recognizing environments and situational experiences (Simulations). The tests begin and a whole new level of Intents regarding confusion, excitement, frustration, confidence, etc. ensue. New abilities emerge at any point within this continuum. As our experiences move deeper, our ability to offer service of some kind may become more apparent and the importance of implantation of certain Intents becomes paramount. It is a progressive process. The next Intent does not replace the prior Intent, it builds upon it; they are all there, the substratum of our NP mindset. The subdued awareness seems a perfect process for this.

In my case, it seems pretty apparent that I need to work on some 'retrieval' affirmations, just as I have done with most of the previous Intents.

Illuman-

Thank you for that excellent insight! That is, I'm sure, part of the percept I was missing, a kind of 30,000 foot view. I had not considered it from that vantage. I'm still unsure of the purpose of Scene 1, except maybe to have the auction suggest a familiar situation (I spent a number of years attending auto auctions) and maybe suggest that this would be somehow 'transactional'. Scene 2 offered 2 exit routes and yes, I took control and manifested a 3rd route. Scene 3 offered me a multitude of menu choices which confused the issue a bit, and I was stuck between choosing a 5 or a 6; then I got distracted a bit by actually being able to read some of the menu and trying to pencil in a choice...so the server helped me complete my decision. In the final scene, I did give up control, I guess, because I wasn't presented with any obvious choices and my lucidity was too low to realize that maybe she required retrieval. This fact may indicate what Szaxx was hinting at, about what might be called a 'progression of Intents' that needs, in my case, to be updated.  (Low level awareness forces a much deeper implantation of these key Intents...hmmm)

Illuman said-

"The whole sense of community is amazing. If we are all one like I believe most of us here understand or believe then posting a thread and having a conversation about it really is an inner dialogue with one's self. Like asking yourself for a different perspective on something so you can condense it into a more comprehensible form for yourself.  (In turn for many other parts of yourself as you post it and share it with other selves)

Another wonderful insight and beautifully characterized! And exactly the purpose we are hoping for. Thank you
Illuman!

Szaxx, I'll respond in a day or so.

It sounds like you have reached a new level. Sadly, we don't often get flags waving or crowds cheering to celebrate the event...we just sort of have to realize it for ourselves. This one I remember and the emotional kick is very appreciated, because it usually comes after a long, discouraging drought of 'progress'...which you have now emerged from.

New experiences, new sensations, new circumstances of awareness...these are the signs to look for.

Lumaza gave you a good description of the necessary attitude going forward now -be like Swiss Cheese and let the new sensations, emotions and thoughts flow through you for awhile, just take it all in, without too much consideration for now of what it all means; you will sort it out later. You have entered a period of just experiencing. Have fun, be confused and enjoy. Go with the flow and trust your instinct.

Depending on your theories as to how the NPR actually functions, one or more things may have occurred to get you to the next level:

You are gradually increasing your consciousness within your Dreaming Body.
You have managed to activate a higher chakra.
You have maneuvered your Focus to a new chakra.
You have activated your awareness within your etheric or lower astral body.
In the Castaneda paradigm, you have shifted your 'point of attention'.

Those are several ideas; I happen to like to incorporate them all into my own personal theory; you can work out your own. Either way, it is all fun and wonderful and mystifying. Well done and keep on!

EV

SCHMUSTIN-

Reply #11/November 10

That was a great experience; you did exactly what I suggested in an earlier post...you set your Intent, then you 'let go' and fell asleep. Then you became lucid within a dream. This, just in itself, was a significant accomplishment. Now the symbology of the 'large estate', the circular driveway, the fountain in the middle...you ignored the importance of that and began to walk away; so the dream introduced something to try to re-awaken you (to kick your awareness back up a notch)- the car drove by and you wondered at recognizing the driver...still not enough, you kept walking and so the car blew up! How good is it when they try to get your attention by blowing sh*t up?!!

That blew you back to the Physical, where you had a chance to reconsider how to get back to the NPR. You didn't manage it despite trying but that's okay; it's the experience and the effort that is important.

Working out the symbology here is a personal journey for you. Some expressions are somewhat universal, but again, you have to work out this very personal communication for yourself.

Great experience! Well done!

APApprentice-

My condolences, as well.

The only idea I wish to add to the excellent conversation you are having with Lumaza is this:

It is a common idea, and one that I also experienced, that our early OBEs are somehow 'powered' by the sacral or root chakra; the entire 'chakra theory' being something you either wish to consider or not. This promotes a very strong and noticeable sexual arousal in the physical body and that energy often carries over into our early Non-Physical experiences. Do not try to shut it down or turn it off; just recognize that it is there and likely providing the initial energetic impetus but also 'coloring' your NP experience to some degree. You figure out a way to manage it.

Eventually, according to theory (and my personal experience) the energetic impulse for your OBEs evolves into other chakras, typically the Heart or Solar Plexus chakra, and once that becomes your power center, you begin to notice an issue with heartbeat and breathing...again, this is all normal. Disruptive, but normal.

Good work.

Then it may not technically be Sleep Paralysis, but a close variation. The Hypnogogia occurs at times where you are in what's called a Mind Awake/Body Asleep state and this may be preceding SP or following SP, so your experience may be outside the statistical norm, but nonetheless valid.

Sometimes you can physically move during Hypnogogia and transient OBE exit sensations; this will tend to disrupt the experience, so you need to minimize this tendency if you wish to allow the experience to continue and develop.

Seeing through your closed eyes at this point is usually considered a form of 'etheric sight' and not related to the 3rd eye (astral) that generally comes later (given the idea that this is just one theory of looking at the experience).

As to your missing posts, I can't explain that.

With a hat tip to the One Who Shall Not Be Named, this is a link to the 'Astral Surgical Team'-
http://sorendreier.com/the-astral-surgical-team-2017/

In my experience, my first impression was older sister/younger brother, putting the raincoat on backwards...but he was a chubby little dude who reminded me of Spanky from the Little Rascals, with some very 'adult' attitude and knowing. It could be one or the other, I just don't know; if I had to choose, it would be my mis-interpretation of the AST. But then again, based on that link, they stick with 'etheric surgery'...so IDK. I just calls 'em as I see's 'em.

Edit- My mistake- That link indicates that they don't work in the 'etheric', but rather the 'lower astral', which actually adds a bit of credence to where I encountered them.

Lumaza-

Thank you for those insights! I had been thinking the last several years that an individual needing 'retrieval' was SO physically-focused that it was our still PR-tinged, inherent frequency/radiation that enabled them to recognize and respond to us. But your point about an aspect of our empathy and willingness to help may be an additional factor in this. Yes, maybe so.

Maybe the fact of our still being close to that 'empathic wavelength' both allows us to be recognized by them, but at the same time, puts us in danger of losing emotional control both for our self and the retrieval situation at hand.

Szaxx-

Also, thank you for the clues and nuances! In the last year, I have come to have greater confidence and trust in both my NP and lower-level NP awareness. The difficult part is that, at the same time, I feel like I am also learning better to 'navigate', as Leland might put it, the surrounding areas of the Dream NP...and that fact leads to another category of distractions, lol. So, more than a few Intents or themes begin to compete for primacy at any new entrance to the NP: Where am I in relation to 'everything else'; Is there a specific direction/action which may lead to higher awareness?; Should I be recognizing a new Intent/mission being provided?

A year ago, I was concentrating on figuring out just where I was in the NP; I have definitely gained a greater, although still imperfect, sense of that. At the same time I was beginning to recognize the various forms of transport taking me to these different areas of experience. Then it was recognizing how changes in elevation related to the level of my awareness: Going up in a lift/elevator, walking up steps or up a hill, especially into bright sunlight...all symbolic of moving higher in awareness; moving downward into darkness, just the opposite.

Adding in to all that, I still have to be open to the requirement that this may be a retrieval...

I wonder if the 'gorge' is the same one I saw in my shower several months ago? 500 foot tall peaks?

Lumaza, so why do you alternate between keeping an eye on a submarine versus a boat?

You guys sound like you're having such fun with this concept, I may have to give it a try!

 

Perhaps that's deliberate. Perhaps they know better about these things. But...but...perhaps they don't. Perhaps they're fumbling around just as much as we do. I think there is a tendency in AP/OBE/Dreaming circles to assume that "guides" have infinite knowledge at their fingertips. Why do we assume this? They may have knowledge about things we don't, but they're not supergods.

This whole 'dream character' business is my current puzzle. What did the surgical astral team require of you? I've always thought they need living persons because the dead one can't see them until they accept they are/might be dead. But surely there's a much simpler or streamlined way of getting us to do that without all these daft tests and hoops they make us go through beforehand.


[/quote]These are great insights and exactly what I was looking for. You are not disillusioned nor off on a tangent. These are great, reasoned questions that sometimes take me seconds to ask, then again sometimes months...

If it is NP training then maybe it is sometimes imperfect. The trouble with that is how the Hell should I know that?! My current theory is that it is all training at a lower NP mental level, the better to condition my NP mind.

Then again if it does involve an actual encounter with a BST-Bound spirit (a retrieval attempt), and it is not successful, then what's the harm? They are still lost in a sense, so what is one more fleeting delusional encounter, if I failed in my rescue attempt? I have a personal trouble with that concept in this context but maybe that is the reality?

'Gymnastics' was absolutely the 'moment' of learning there...a message singularly expressed for me. A lot of depth in that visual.

Thank you both.

Agreed.

It is understandable that emotion and excitement overtake you the first few times you get to this point. Next time work to remain calm and let the experience unfold as it will; roll with the shifts. Trust that you are NP and safe. The experience will take you deeper and further.
Nicely done.

Fun, huh?

superman, you already understand that there are many methods to AP. You have already realized a few methods.

Why we get stuck at this point can be for several reasons: various types of fear or a lack of proper  Intention...you need to have a clear idea of what experience you are aiming for...

If you have had many flying or exciting OBEs before, then they may be looking for a more serious commitment now...

This is an eventual choice that has to be made...

EV

It appears that many of us have (had) various degrees of difficulty with the sex issue, myself included. I think that there are several variations off the central issue, that may pertain to some but not others.

I wonder that the sexual desire response is part of what I read as the "Big Three" emotions that we have to learn to properly control in order to gain access to 'deeper/higher' levels of the Non-Physical Realms; it certainly seems to be confirmed in much of the literature. These "Big Three" emotions consist of Fear, then Sexual Desire, then Anger in its various forms...(maybe beginning with impatience or frustration). I have just finished a book on Dream Yoga as well as a second read-through of Kurt Leland's The Unanswered Question, both of which put heavy reliance into the importance of "purging" these 3 emotions as much as possible while still in the Physical Realm, in order to minimize our possible mis-perceptions and distractions in the Afterlife. The question of 'purging' and its possible importance to our efforts is a topic for another discussion.

The Fear impulse is encountered almost immediately, as Lumaza pointed out, in the inability to feel secure in 'just letting go' and letting your NP focus take you away from the Physical. The Fear impulse also rears its ugly head rather quickly in most early Sleep Paralysis episodes. Once you are in a NP environment, any confusion or mis-interpretation of a situation can also result in the Fear impulse being activated. Step by step, this all takes time to overcome and gain control. And just about the time you are getting control of your Fear, the Sexual impulse shows up!

It is just my speculation, but my experience and my reading seems to confirm that the Sexual impulse may be strongly increased by the idea of an 'etheric' OBE being somewhat powered by activation of the Root/Sacral Chakra, at least during an initial period of etheric explorations. As our experiences progress, possibly into what is the astral body, this 'powering' appears to transfer into the Heart Chakra area and later to the Throat or Brow/3rd Eye. I can only speak from my own experiences, but as my OBEs moved from RTZ/etheric, I noticed a significant lessening in Root activation and sexual excitement, and more excitation of the Heart area (the rapid heartbeat/the chest pressure).

Now- This is the central issue I wished to introduce an idea about- ThaomasOfGrey asks the very reasonable question about why he seems to be 'stuck' in his experiences by the Sex issue? Is it an 'either/or' proposition of...let's just say 'astral promiscuity'? Can he or can't he? Should he or shouldn't he? Is it a moral issue, either personal or communal?

My point is, and my suggestion is that this may be the wrong question. The question may be about your ability to display control of these 3 basic human emotions. Simply put, the NP doesn't allow you to move beyond a certain point until you've shown a certain degree of mastery over these emotions; for instance, they see no point in letting you run around the astral getting freaked out (Fear) by everything; or trying to have (Sex) with every entity you run into; or getting into hostile confrontations, thinking everything has to be a fight (Anger). Add subtleties and stir...

I was fortunate enough to stumble onto the answer of the Sexual impulse issue early on while reading Monroe's first book 'Journeys...', because he had a frustrating difficulty with this. Leland also appears to have had some difficulty with it, as have some notable explorers here at the Pulse. I solved the issue only several years ago and almost by accident; but then I realized the answer. And the answer isn't a permanent one. Like repeating Fear tests, the NP seems to throw each of these tests at us from time to time, maybe like pop-quizzes, lol. And I still fail from time to time.

The answer, I think, is something Stillwater alluded to- maybe... The Middle Way.

It's not an either/or question; there is a third option, a subtle distinction, but nonetheless a significant one. You don't accept the sex but you also don't deny it; you choose to defer.

Sex would be great but maybe another time; just not now; I have other plans.

In my experience, making this choice alters the current situation without shutting it down and allows the experience to continue in another direction.

Love the stories Selski!

#98 I can comment on...

Many of my very low-level awareness dreams deal with a degree of frustration in trying to locate things in various environments, mostly houses or buildings which seem familiar, but either the environment or the 'thing' to be located is continually morphing or changing beyond my ability to keep up with it, hence a certain frustration.

With regard to #98, I had this dream back in June-

Early morning, 3 dreams in succession, I forgot the first one and the third was also somehow lost...the second went like this-

I was in a hotel, primarily the lobby area, very fancy and plush, looking for something...very low level awareness...I marched from one end of the lobby to the other, not finding what I expected and growing more frustrated...

At some point, I passed a woman sitting on a couch with a leopard resting next to her. As I turned back to re-trace my steps, the leopard bit me on my left arm and we stood there, immobile, staring at one another. I had a moment of fear but then realized I was NP; there was a bit of pain which startled me; but I was stuck...dealing with these incongruities..

I stared at the leopard , the moment not shaking me, and sent forth a feeling of warmth and love...it's bite relaxed for a moment.

This resulted in the leopard somehow increasing in size ten-fold...now my entire torso and head was within its mouth, its fangs gently but firmly biting into my back below my shoulder blades and the front teeth dug in beneath my rib-cage... this did cause me a bit of concern, a bit of physical concern but also something more energetic...

I did the only thing that the NP has taught me as a last resort, and that was to communicate as much 'love' as I was capable of at the moment...and the 12 foot tall leopard released its' bite on me...and I awoke...

EV

SCHMUSTIN, you are quite welcome! Thank you for the kind words and I am gratified that some of what I can share may be of benefit to your endeavors.

Okay, so you are continuing to set your 'intent' for dream recall and keeping a journal when appropriate; that is all good.

They do let you fly around and have fun for awhile...but eventually they do expect you to settle down and get to work for the 'greater community', at least that was MY take on it.

Another aspect to consider is the fact that you do have a family to take care of, and presumably, a day job. These should be your over-riding priorities and will necessarily re-schedule your NP activities. The key is in finding a balance.

When I read back over your earlier posts, it is clear that you have experienced a broad spectrum of hypnogogic and 'exit' sensations. Whether you recognize it now or sometime later, this is a great wealth of information and experience that you now already have. It does appear to be relatively normal that many people at this point hit a roadblock of sorts and a scarcity of experiences. That does happen from time to time. The reasons could be many, and some have been discussed. I hit similar roadblocks of nearly a year, at times; just a bit frustrating...

Part of these delays may have to do with a kind of 'internal processing' that needs to take place. At times, I have experienced evidence of that, other times I am still left wondering...

If your 'true intent' is 90% soul development and 10% fun, then I really have no argument with that and I don't think that the NP is any stricter than that; after all they apparently enjoy enough good jokes at my expense, it seems lol! One rule of the NP appears to be a good appreciation for irony and puns...

After all, what is good about an infinite universe without room for a few good puns, jokes and ironic plot twists?

Another thought: Alcohol and drugs will kill or distort any possible experience, so stay away if you can; if not, then don't be surprised at the lack...

Just to clarify- When you do a short mantra or an affirmation; it should be present tense and declarative, no negative words allowed. No 'can't, won't, will not...', also nothing in the future tense- 'I will, I should...' your subconscious operates like a very basic computer and responds best to 'present tense' clear orders...nothing complex, just simple statements...

Also, you might need to let go the idea of having a direct, conscious projection for now. I tried unsuccessfully for 20 years to do that. I eventually realized that my initial successes were after short periods of sleep after giving myself affirmations/instructions. The direct projections only occurred later, and still somewhat inconsistently...
So after giving yourself instructions, let yourself fall asleep and expect those 'lucid, wake-up' experiences. Don't agitate, don't aggravate...just 'set your intent' and go to sleep...when the time is right, your 'higher self' will reward you with the appropriate experience. Trust in that.

A good default affirmation: "Please grant me the next experience that will benefit my spiritual growth."

Hope this helps.

EV

We discussed this a bit back in March; I withheld several ideas back then, not wanting to confuse the issue. Since your predicament remains, I will now offer them.

1- You have never mentioned a Dream Journal or your efforts to remember your dreams. This is a key component of initial NP awareness and a basic method for its development. If you are not putting in the time and effort to do this, then this could be a significant reason for lack of progress.

2- Communication to our Inner Selves - It may be that we have to reassure our relative safety to our subconscious self in order to gain a kind of 'permission'; it may also require a request to our higher self for a kind of permission to go exploring in the Non-Physical Realms. This can be simply done with nightly statements or short mantras 'asking for permission' or 'granting ourselves permission'...the individual language may be slightly different for each of us; we just have to explore this in our own unique ways.

3- A fundamental requirement MAY BE that at some initial point, we dedicate our spiritual education and evolution to the 'betterment of Mankind' or the idea of 'SERVICE' to our fellow sentient beings...

So, if your 'true' intent is just to experience the NP and OBE as a form of entertainment, a cool thing, a way to impress your friends, or a method to personal power, ie some selfish reason...then you will likely not be assisted, maybe even resisted by those on the other side.

I have read from many others and my own experience has confirmed that, at some point, an open and sincere declaration of my willingness to be part of, and to contribute to the progress of our general spiritual welfare is a proper and necessary thing.

This has to be sincere. 

Hello skylark!

Welcome to the Pulse! Sorry we missed your initial post; it apparently disappeared into the black hole of a busy weekend.

Everything you describe is a classic Sleep Paralysis experience with Vibrations thrown in. There are a thousand variations to practically every sensation you describe, so don't get confused by trying to pin down just exactly what you felt; stick with the general categories of reported sensations.

SP can and does occur on either side of a dream; or more accurately, your awareness of it.

I would venture to say that you had been previously thinking about the OBE state, for whatever reason, and so your subconscious may have responded by making that particular awareness available to you. It is, usually, a kind of 'wake-up call'...then again, it does sort of happen by accident from time to time...

So, in your case, this might be a good start...

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/everything_you_could_ever_want_to_know_about_sleep_paralysis-t38734.0.html

Read, enjoy, and ask any questions later...and again, welcome!