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To know the future one MUST learn form the past.

An interesting thought.  I would definatly try to do more along those lines if I am able to get there.




David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com
I am he who walks in the light but is masked by the shadows.

Cainam being maniac backwards.  As in I am the opposite, there is a method to my madness.  Picked that part up during high school football and it kinda stuck.  The last part Nazier, I dunno.  Kinda plucked it out of the air, don't know if it means anything in another language or anything like that or if is actually a qord or not.  But I use it as a desription of the fighter side of me.  
Some what like the worrior and the scholar in the eastern martial arts.  Cainam being the scholar side and Nazier being the fighter side.  Knowladge before power.  One seeks to learn and the other to protect.

David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com
I am he who walks in the light but is masked by the shadows.

More thoeries and things with magnets in them.  Next they'll say that laying in an MRI for 2 hours a week is good for you.

And just for those who don't know.  An MRI is an advanced x-ray machine.  It creates this insane magnetic field.  The field is so strong that when charged it can wipe the data off of credit cards and such if you so much as open the door to the room and stand in the doorway.  

At one of the building I worked at we had a room that we needed to get into but the people working in the MRI place usually but stuff in front of the door from the outside.  SO I would have put down all my tools go through the MRI room to the other room, move the stuff, open the door.  Go back and pick up all my stuff and go back outside.  All this so I could spend 15 mins changing a filter and making sure fan coil was working.  Pain in the but.  If you ever do get something stuck to the inside of a MRI it has o be turned off in order for you to get it back.  That US$30,000 I don't have.

David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com
I am he who walks in the light but is masked by the shadows.

How about, "I didn't shoot him I just supplied the ammo."

But like I said before I feel as long as caution is used then there really shouldn't be any major problems.  

However should problems occure there is most likely a reason for it, which is most likely a lesson that for some reason you needed to learn.  I guess I have one of those see the good in the bad kinda mentallities.

David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com
I am he who walks in the light but is masked by the shadows.

You do realize that if there is truth to existance of these tablets then it tends to blow most "creation" theories away with just the age of them.  I recently read over a web page that was saying that because of creation that the world is only 4,500 year old and the MILLIONS of years old that evolution says.  These tablets are 10x older than what a lot of creationist believe the world to be.  
That aside.  I did find some of the stuff on that page you posted to be of intrest and warrenting further study.


David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com
I am he who walks in the light but is masked by the shadows.

I do have one question and I mean no offense but why all the black people?  I gather you are white?  From what I have read from most people they see all different kinds of people not just one color.  So it seems to me that this may have been more of a lucid dream trying to play out a few fears first.  The part with being on the meds has a lot to do with it.  Although I am against most med for myself I would caution some one just stoping with out consulting thier Dr.  But I would deffinately talk to him/her about getting off the meds, or go see another Dr.   You need to ask if the meds are truely required of if there are other methods you could try, like a shrink,(Please forgive the term but I can't spell the other one right now.)  This is not as bad as it may seem and can be an excellent alternative to meds.

But the larger trick would be to detrimine the importance of the experience to you.  I mean what do you think it all means?

David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com
I am he who walks in the light but is masked by the shadows.

I actually do my best to avoid directly practicing most of the mothodes other people use.  As in I didn't know about it before.  I figure that with all things I will learn it as I need it.  As in instead of using a map to find my way I trust in my flashlight and sense of direction.  But I also read what I can to learn from others experiences.  Not to follow in thier foot steps but rather to help decide my own path.  But my path has lead me to some of these things that people say to avoid.  I do not feel the danger as being real but rather as a possability should I allow myself to get carried away.
   I understand balance all to well.  I am a Libra and hold extreamly true to that.   Balance in all things is a way of life.  Seeing all the side to a problem.  Which in itself creates new ones.  Do I follow the path mapped out ahead or do I look to the road less travelled to find my way.  It is not done to get there faster but to get there when needed, some times the need makes the road longer.
   Yes certain things are dangerous but that does not mean that you should not go there.  Nor does it make them bad.  If you look to the steps ahead as well as the ones that lead to this point you should be allright.  It seems to me that most people get themselves into trouble because they take an idea and run with it.  Not fully looking at all they are doing or have done.  This is where things get dangerous, this is where they go bad.   It is not so much the practice or the use of the energy it is the learing from it as well.  If nothing is learned than it can go bad very quickly.   But if you pay attention to the lessons being shown to you while you are there then only your intent will decide the outcome.

David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com
I am he who walks in the light but is masked by the shadows.

You see this is one of the other things that I have problems with.  More so in the Catholic Church, more so with Roman Catholics.   They always talk about the body being the temple of God and the Church the House of God.  So "if" I was a follower of God and my body is the Temple of God then why would I have to do anything with the church to include baptism as long as I adhere to the teachings in the bible and trust that I am a follower of God?
The Holy Roman Catholic Church does not and would agree to this.  They say you have to go to church, you have to get baptised, you have to go to communion, and you have to go to confession or you won't "get in".  It is all double talk.


David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com
I am he who walks in the light but is masked by the shadows.

I just look at all of these things as the nexted step in human EVOLUTION.  A couple of more generations at will be common place.


David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com
I am he who walks in the light but is masked by the shadows.

Lets see just by looking at your profile there is a handfull of info there.  And that is the kind of info I mean.

How many books have you checked out of a library?
Have credit card? Ever used for anything?
How many e-mail accounts do you have?
Is all that information fake?
Do you have a phone? Cell Phone? Pager?
Car? Drivers license?  Tax ID?  Employment records? High School info? Collage?  Home owner?  Magazine subscriptions?  Your internet provider.  And so on and on.

All this information can be used to create a profile of a person.  With extream accuracy.  These are the things that people do not think about.  So much can be detirmed by this information alone.  Spending habits, how many times you have moved or changed jobs, your level of education.

Like I said even your profile here, just by reading that some one can tell your a "hopeless romantic".  But don't worry so am I.   If you ever get a chance talk to a profiler, or a person who does this kind of stuff for a living, or a psycologist and ask them how much they can learn of a person from this kind of information.  You might be amazed.


David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com
I am he who walks in the light but is masked by the shadows.

I can see how thought is very strong on the astral but I still believe emotion to be stronger.  However a person can develope a certain amount of emotional detatchment.  This is what I see is more the case with the magicians.  It is not so much that there is no emotion where they go but rather when they go there thet leave or become detatched from thier emotions as to not be effected by the emotions of where they go.  The emotion has been taken out of the equation.  But that does not mean it is not there.
Now as far as your cave man.  So what was he doing before thought?  He was living emotionally.  The emotions created by hunger drove him to learn how to hunt.  The emotions created by gravity caused him to learn what it was and why.  It was not he thought about it and then had the emotion, it was the emotion that triggered him to think about it.   People do not simply think about stuff with out the emotional motivator.  If you do you tend to become disintrested.
Some peoples thought filters are a little messed up, the result being they run almost entirely on emotion.  For example.  An insaine person who commits murder.  The muder was a result of an emotion, a primal urge, and was not filtered by thought.  It was not thought to be right or wrong it was just done because of that emotional push.  A persons whose filters work fine normally can end up doing the same thing.  A person comes home and finds thier lover in bed with another, kills them both.  The emotional responce to the situation cause it.  They did not think of doing it, it was just done, the filter bypassed, a thought not given, but the action was taken.
This I believe holds true for the collective.  It was created by emotion and is controlled by thought.  The reason it seems to be with out emotion is because of the sheer volume of emotions that are in it.  Children have a higher ability to interface with this because they are primarily emotions.  The emotions are higher than thought since they do not have too many of them.  They only know what they feel.
 This is also why I don't believe in a creator.  I believe the idea is an thought responce from the emotional need to explain things.  Things that are currently beyond the ability of a person to think about and know.   Hence the multitude of gods in the begining and the few or single god of todays world.  Since we have a better idea of what happens on earth there is no need to have a god for it.  It is easier to say that some thing was created by some all powerful force rather than millions on random events falling into place to create it.

David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com
I am he who walks in the light but is masked by the shadows.

Oddly when I think of these little sparkily thing I can not help but also think of Star Wars.  Midicaloreans (sp?), basically the thing(s) that aloow for the force.  Another form of life living in sibiosis(sp?) with them giving one the ability to listen and see things in a different light.  

 Just another one of those things that makes you wonder if someone knew something that everyone else didn't.


"Qui-Gon sir.  I heard Master Yoda say something about Midicaloreans.  I don't understand, what's a Midicalorean?"  Anakin Skywalker, TPM.

David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com
I am he who walks in the light but is masked by the shadows.

Naturally certain things that even if flagged are dropped almost as quickly because of other criteria not being met.  But it is not as if that information is gone through every day.  It gets stored, then when certain situations arise the information is presented by the computer as a possibility.  Every thing becomes another file.  So they look up Joe Bob Bullhead because they think he may be trying to kill some one imprtant.  So they pull up his file.  They enter in a few more things to look to see if there is any basis for that assumption.  Next the computer spits out a handfull of books that are related to the subject and a couple of phone calls where it was mentioned and say an email that is requesting info on a riffle.  So they follow him and see if it is actually going on.  If it is blamo they have him.
  90% of a persons life is recorded on computers.  You name it the information can be found.  You may be thinkning that you have never seen a computer capablie of this.  But then you also must remember that, at least with the US Gov, they are normally 10-15 years more technilogicall advanced as the general poulace.  If this was not so the term "Military Grade" for equipment and such would not exist.  So how does this kind of information get out.  Easy, people retire, computers get hacked, and some times people have to violate thier personal morals and turn around feel the need to repay for it.  And sometimes it is just money.  And as far as personel go the Fed Gov has hundreds of thousands of people working for it, and this does not include the average armed forces.

David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com
I am he who walks in the light but is masked by the shadows.

Time heals all wounds.  So they say.

If a person was truely intent on having the effects of baptism remove the could very well asked to ex-communicated.  As baptism is the welcoming of one into the fold, ex-communication is the almost perminant removal of a person from the same.  Of course this is only the Catholic Church and you most diffinatly get a lot of resistance in having it done.  As they are for the most part an "in for life" group and those that have been ex-communicated in the past were so because of considered grevious crimes against the church or against God.   They would try thier best to talk you out of it though if you asked and try to get you all kinds "help" because you apparently need it.  But such is thier thinking.


David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com
I am he who walks in the light but is masked by the shadows.

It was first a lucid dream but then a projection.  The thing being it was a projection and in both the dream and the projection I was fully aware of what was going on.

David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com
I am he who walks in the light but is masked by the shadows.

I have heard about this.  It is either fake or  case of the mad scientist.  I can not remember if he thinks he figured it all out or if he believes that given the adaptability of the human it will not effect it's growth under normal cercomstances.

David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com
I am he who walks in the light but is masked by the shadows.

Oh the fun of it all.

I was trying to play/access the energy center above the head and ended up having a lucid dream which turned into a projection.  It was way cool, forgive the expression but I can not describe it any other way.  

I was waiting for my computer to defrag and became some what floaty.  Realizing this as a good op to meditate I laid down.  I started with working the internal energy and then moved out side and was looking for the other centers.  I was able to locae the one above the head and begain pulling energy down from it into me.  I soon fell asleep and was having a lucid.  During which I was getting vibrations and was looking for a place to lay down there as well.  I soon found myself projecting.  It was fun/scary/and really really neato at the same time.

The maniplation of the energy out side may have been the trigger than caused the projection.  I do not kow for certain but will be expirementing with it further a little later.


David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com
I am he who walks in the light but is masked by the shadows.

You know this is one of the reasons I like Star Trek so much.  Every race seemed to have a god, and they were all so wildly different and all resposible for all life.  One saying kill the other saying don't.  Then there were the Q.  Were they God and possibly every ones God?

"So far everyones belief on God has been based on personal experiences etc.. Please someone stand up and provide some logical evidence.. its much more fun to refute

- Ashfo"


  There in also lays the problem.  Personal experience is logical evidence for that person.  Is there nothing that you believe based only on an experience?  I personally can think of several things that I believe not because I have scientific data to support it but because I have experienced it.  I know, feel, think, and believe that certain things exist based only on an experience.  But since I have not experienced God I can not prove to myself of the existance of such.  I have experienced things that would refute the laws of physics.  I do not know how it happened but it happened.
  I would go into too much technical detail but for those who know what cooling towers, chillers, and flat plates are.  Normal, towers to chiller or flat plate, then chillers to building, right.  No I had, Building to chillers, then to flate plate, then to towers.  It was 100+ DegF out side and I had 45 DegF water in the cooling towers and over 80 DegF going to the building.  The chiller was running backwards.  Normally imposible but it was happening.

David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com
I am he who walks in the light but is masked by the shadows.

In regards to what?  The mutation of cells because of DNA incerting?  Yes.  That is actually how viruses also mutate.  That is how they predict the next flue chain as well so they can make flue shots.  They take hundres of samples from people who have been through ERs and DRs offices and incubate them and make a flue shot based on the most likely form of mutation.  But even then some times they get it wrong.  That is why its mutation, its random but at times a predictable random.
We can not currently totally eradicate the host DNA and hence the mutations.   Even one minor variation in the DNA chain can cause a multitude of side effects given  it's relation to the rest of the chain.

David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com
I am he who walks in the light but is masked by the shadows.

"I doubt they have the manpower to search every website as small as this one.. "

That's why they make computers.  The US Gov. has many computers geared towards the tracking of information and who is doing what.  For example.  One would normally think that going to the library was a normal, safe, everyday function of people.  Well it is normal, it is an every day function but it is not wholly safe.  In every public library if you want to get a book you have to give them certain key information, which is them databased.  On to this file goes every book you ever barrow from the library.  Certain types of individuals tend to read or look up certain types of information and often barrow the books to do furhter research at home, where they feel safe.  The US Gov has a list of books that are flagged and every time an individual barrows one of those books the library database relays this information to another database controlled by the gov.  In turn should an individual aquire X amount of flags the gov computer turns around and seeks to aquire a list of all the books that you have checked out.  Based on this the computer is capable of giving a base psycological profile on you.  This is just one example.
  I have another.  I do not knwo if they are still doing(probably are) but for a long time the gov was running a computer to track and record phone conversations.  Now the normal is considered phone taping but this goes way beond that.  The computer basically listens to all conversations for certain key words.  Then it records a segment, if within that segment other certain key words pop up the computer then records the whole conversation for further analisis.  So why regular phone taps you may ask. The local gov.s don't have the access to this information so they have to use regular means.  Also if the intent of the Fedral Gov. is to bring a person to trail the need for legal phone tapping is required.  However this is not done for legal phone tapping nor is done to bring people to trail.  Watch a spy flick.  Why do you think that there is the need for secure lines, or certain information just isn't ralayed over the phone at all?  Even if they know it isn't bugged?
   The Us gov was also running a prject not too long ago with an email sniffer but the word got out and they suspended it.  But with recent laws made in the US it should be back up to full operation now.  These same laws double the amount the normal person get in the way of spam or junk emails since there is no longer legal action you can take unless repeated attempts to stop the mail have been made.  But even then you need to prove it and actually talk to an individual about it.  I forget the name of the program the run but it ws mentioned several times.



David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com
I am he who walks in the light but is masked by the shadows.

I agree largely on what you say but only slighty altered.

"I'm saying Thought is not a primary energy, but the primary energy. Everything is Thought or created by Thought."

My personal belief is Emotion is The primary energy but is controlled or more over governed by thought.  Ever had a fear that no matter how much you rationalize it won't go away?  Ever love some one so much but you don't know why?  That is also why I feel religion can be so strong at times, because it can and does create an emotional responce in people of faith.  I say that emotion is governed by thought only because you can for the most part controll your emotions with correct thinking but even the strongest of us loose that control at times and the emotion pushes through and creates other thoughts.


David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com
I am he who walks in the light but is masked by the shadows.

" As far as I know, thousands of people have seen them being formed, ´sprayed´ from aircrafts... "

Yeah that's when you see a jet going over but they are commercial airliners=contrails.  But I have seen some fairly complex formations in pictures.  They would need say a dozen or so passes over the same area and yet no one sees it being done or hears the jets or has say video of them forming.  
 I live near Luke Air Force Base and often can not help but hear the jets flying around more so when training manuvers are going on.  I tend to take note and check to see what they are doing.  Also given our houses distance to Phoenix Airport when then tend to get backed up I also notice because of the noise.   so that would leave a noiseless invisible "something" makeing these things.  Or the more complex ones  photographed are fake.


David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com
I am he who walks in the light but is masked by the shadows.

"When you address the Gueardianship of the Mind, you keep that stabilized by knowing that it is there, and the map that leads you to that place. It actually resides about three and one-half inches outside your cranium. That is where your mind resides, giving signals to the brain continuously. So we are talking about a physical organ with a metaphysical controller, which is you."


Now I find it really interesting that you mentioned this.  A couple of us are currently disscussing energy ceters that are located outside of the body. Topic "Chakras out side the body".  We in the thread have noticed that there seems to be a substancial amount of "personal" energy that is just outside the body.  I can't remember thier name right now but one of the individuals states that he can or is working on working with an energy center that is located roughly 4-6 inches above is head.  Now I have a little more difficulty locating specific energy ceters but am able to use the energies just out side the body.  The feeling for me has been that they are mine but that they just do not reside in the body.  This seems very similar to what you are saying and does for me give it some truth since I am already aware of the energy there.  
 so would you suggest trying to play with these energies or rather leave them be and just be aware of them?  I was thinking because of your post that if some one was able to more readily access these energies with particular attention to the one above the head, one could learn a great deal about ones self.  And possibly form a better connection.  Does that make sense?


David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com
I am he who walks in the light but is masked by the shadows.

It was unfortunately not my own idea.  I watched a friend do this very same thing and with in only but a couple of short weeks changed her life around 180 deg.  We had gone to a bar to shoot some pool and I was getting drinks.  "Coke for me and what for you?"  I asked.  She wanted a soda.  Which at the time was different.  When I came back I asked why not and did not really expect the answer I got.  She told me that she realized that for a long time she was jumping from habbit to habbit, she was searching.  At the time she thought that it was what she wanted to do but then shortly after she met her current boyfriend she realized that the need was not there.  She looked at it.  It was not because he did not do those things but for the first time in a long time she was happy.  She then said that she had thought about it for a long time and asked herself why she was doing it before, even when at times she thought she was happy.  She said she realized that she was not happy unless she was messed up, it was only then that she could forget about her life, and her unhappyness.  She just sorta woke up and stopped.
   This conversation got me thinking about all of this and all things we as humans do and the things that I do.  This struck me as being so true, so simple, that it could be applied to everything.  It has become so easy to let so many things that I do not need, do not want, just slip away and lie there never to be picked up again.  The number of burdens we carry with us is so immense that at times it could drive a person mad.  But only if they allow it to hapen.   When you realize how easy it is to drop emotions, feelings, possesions, thoughts, it becomes easier to just do what you wanted to do before but were unable for some unknown reason.

David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com
I am he who walks in the light but is masked by the shadows.

Well it is highly known that at least the US Gov. investigates many paranormal activties.  And they have done many, many experiments psi-related in hopes of creating a better soldier or getting the edge on the enemy.  So do they look to identify people out of thier own ranks or do they look to recuite people off the streets who show promise?  I mean where do they get the people for this?  I know that on many of the tests they have done they have used the unknowing soldier but on the more advanced test like the recently acknowladged remote viewing, http://www.remoteviewing.com/,  they would need some what of talented or gift individuals.  So where do they get them?

David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com
I am he who walks in the light but is masked by the shadows.