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Mystic, may I ask where abouts you are and any contact details/website of the shaman who helped you?

http://www.columbia.edu/~gm84/gibtable.html

Then said Almitra, "Speak to us of Love."

And he raised his head and looked upon the people, and there fell a stillness upon them. And with a great voice he said:

When love beckons to you follow him,

Though his ways are hard and steep.

And when his wings enfold you yield to him,

Though the sword hidden among his pinions may wound you.

And when he speaks to you believe in him,

Though his voice may shatter your dreams as the north wind lays waste the garden.

For even as love crowns you so shall he crucify you. Even as he is for your growth so is he for your pruning.

Even as he ascends to your height and caresses your tenderest branches that quiver in the sun,

So shall he descend to your roots and shake them in their clinging to the earth.

Like sheaves of corn he gathers you unto himself.

He threshes you to make you naked.

He sifts you to free you from your husks.

He grinds you to whiteness.

He kneads you until you are pliant;

And then he assigns you to his sacred fire, that you may become sacred bread for God's sacred feast.

All these things shall love do unto you that you may know the secrets of your heart, and in that knowledge become a fragment of Life's heart.

But if in your fear you would seek only love's peace and love's pleasure,

Then it is better for you that you cover your nakedness and pass out of love's threshing-floor,

Into the seasonless world where you shall laugh, but not all of your laughter, and weep, but not all of your tears.

Love gives naught but itself and takes naught but from itself.

Love possesses not nor would it be possessed;

For love is sufficient unto love.

When you love you should not say, "God is in my heart," but rather, I am in the heart of God."

And think not you can direct the course of love, for love, if it finds you worthy, directs your course.

Love has no other desire but to fulfil itself.

But if you love and must needs have desires, let these be your desires:

To melt and be like a running brook that sings its melody to the night.

To know the pain of too much tenderness.

To be wounded by your own understanding of love;

And to bleed willingly and joyfully.

To wake at dawn with a winged heart and give thanks for another day of loving;

To rest at the noon hour and meditate love's ecstasy;

To return home at eventide with gratitude;

And then to sleep with a prayer for the beloved in your heart and a song of praise upon your lips.

We agree on Heart Chakra energy being able to affect negs but not the rest Tayesin.

In the journey that followed I was speaking with two different groups of 'aliens' who helped me to understand that this human had actually agreed to provide the body to be implanted with a symbiotic-device that would fail so that they could record the results.

Since they had no previous data on such a happening within the human body, they sought out volunteers and were rewarded with this amazing man, who's Soul agreed to provide this for them.

I know it sound totally crazy.

Yes it does. They were lying IMNSHO. The "grey aliens" sound a lot like these evil symbiotic things that Robert Bruce describes in this story where they made the often used claim that they were the childs 'spirit guides' that Robert was trying to help. Luckily Robert is a bit wiser than that and knows through experience that this is an often used ploy by negs. Read it and find out what they were really like:

http://hem.passagen.se/witchy/Dai/upplrobknights.htm

Why would I want "help" from someone who is delusional into thinking that this is some kind of "spiritual test?

I am not claiming what we are going through is a "spiritual test". I suppose you may have got that impression from my philisophical thought earlier in this thread about negs and "heaven".  That's not about being tested but rather the idea that one may find oneself in the company of beings similar in nature and development to ones own. But regarding negs that attack humans it seems to me they somehow find ways to get into the "Real time zone" from the lower Astral and that even those highly evolved spiritually (or sometimes especially those) will come under attack.

 If you believe you are simply "being tested", that this experience will make you stronger, wiser, smarter, than you are justifying what they are doing.

Like I said, I don't think it's a test. It's more like the laws of the jungle. If one enters a jungle then one had better know how to defend oneself from the wild animals. Either that or get eaten. And of course, there is going to be the occasional lion or tiger that wanders into a nearby human village looking for an easy meal.  But eventually of course those in the village will become wiser and smarter, learning through experience on how to keep the wild animals out. It is not because they are being tested but because it is something they obviously need to learn in order to protect themselves. Either that or get eaten.

If you do a little research, you will find that bullies--whether they are in third grade, in a corporate setting, or a spouse, generally do what they are doing for one simple reason--because they can.  Asked by a psychologist, one wife beater said that after he did a lot of soul searching, he came up with the simple truth that he punched his wife because he could.  He got away with it.  Would he do it if the result would be public shame, loss of job and income, or jail time?  Nine times out of ten the answer is no.  

I don't understand what this has to do with negs. Are you wishing for some "Higher Power" to come and punish them?

So, by your logic, why don't we all have a lawless society then, no cops, no jails, no rules--and let all the bullies, opportunists and sociopaths have their way.  Because, according to your logic, this would make us a better society, we would be working on our "shields" and our imaginary weapons, and toughen up.  

That's not what I am saying at all. The Astral already is lawless with no cops or rules as far as I can see. But the thing is that luckily it seems the nastier parts are confined to the lower areas and that the nicer parts don't need rules or cops because of the nature of the beings that inhabit it.  But unfortunately some of those lower astral types (human or otherwise) seem to be finding ways to affect humans on the physical. So, because there are no "Astral Cops", those being attacked by these creatures have two choices. Learn to shield and defend against them or get eaten. Sure, it's not fair we can be manipulated by them, at times life is like that. But complaining about the unfairness (who to?) of being food for predators isn't going to stop them, learning psychic self-defense will.

Why do you think civilized society has rules anyway?  To protect the weak, to keep order, to make sure that what people work for their entire lives does not go up in a flash by a criminal with a more creative, ruthless mind than you have.

That sounds like a good idea. Perhaps the spiritual realms have something similar where those with criminal and ruthless minds are not able to enter those places with higher and more positive atmospheres. Would you agree with that if it means those in the higher spiritual realms are protected from the negatives and it keeps order?

Why do people get so angry at corruption?  Because it does not strengthen the victims of it, it only makes more powerful the criminals.

It seems the lower Astral might not be much different to here on the physical then eh?

 Oh, just let him take your life savings, McArthur--then you can learn how to be as creative in theft as he is.  Let a rapist take your young daughter or a murderer your son.  You will learn detachment, and hey--then no one can get to you, you will be tough as nails!

Actually this is exactly what you are doing. An example: I know there are burglers in my neighborhood so I make all attempts to lock my doors and windows and add an alarm to the house to dissuade them from trying to steal from me (energy work and sheilding etc). You on the other hand seem to be leaving all doors and windows wide open with your valuables displayed openly in the window, no alarm, and a big sign on the house saying "Gone on holiday, back in 2 months" (no energy work or sheilding.)  Yes it would be nice not to have to worry about getting robbed and having to take precautions but unfortunately for people like us it is necessary to lock the doors and install a burgler alarm.

The truth that most would agree with is that, without some laws, some agreements among people about what is wrong and right, then society goes to hell.  Look at any third world country where thugs are in charge to see the hellish result.  

You're not really expecting negs to follow your rules are you?

For some reason (religious brainwashing, usually), people like you think that the unseen world is exempt from this kind of accountability--that the chaos, abuse, pain and suffering they cause is somehow justified because it teaches you your weaknesses.

You keep building all these straw men. I'm not saying it's justified or that it is there specifically to show us our weaknesses. But we would be foolish not to learn from the experiences anyway. It is a case of I am having to learn what my weaknesses are in order to counter any attacks through them.  And it seems that Robert Bruce is right when he says there are no "Astral Police" out there arresting perps. So rather than sitting around hoping for the cavalry I'm going to have to learn to defend myself rather than give up without a fight, taking a pill and hoping it will all just go away.

Well of course you have weaknesses!  You are a human being and you do have vulnerabilities.  And because of that, in a lawless society, might makes right.  If a man twice your size decides to level you and there is no one stopping him, he will level you.

If I lived in a lawless society I would be more inclined to arm myself and learn martial arts.

 And you can go out and build a brick wall around your house and never leave it, or buy a machine gun to protect yourself, or sit home and meditate on "what led you to be pummeled".  You would be wasting your time.  Life is simple, and it's laws of cause and affect apply to all, both the seen and the unseen world.

To all? Even you? You're opening yourself up there to someone coming along and saying, "Well what might you have done to cause these attacks to happen?" I think this 'cause and effect' belief is a bit too simplistic.

 People are being victimized by bullies in the unseen world because they can, not because some "big Daddy" in the sky is allowing them to in order to make you stronger.  

I totally agree.

Whenever I get into a discourse with you, Nita and others with this mindset, I feel like I am talking to children.  

Another straw man.

You are one hundred percent wrong.  The reason that I am still alive right now is because I am a fighter.  I have a warrior spirit not a victim mentality.  I have been told that I am known for this--being able to escape when backed into a corner.  I am "wired" that way--but even if I was not, I would not fall into the trap of justifying criminal behavior.  

So, er, what are you doing right now to protect yourself from negs?

As long as you continue to believe that what is happening to you is just making you stronger, you will never be free.  The second you wake up and say to yourself, what is happening to victims of psychic warfare is wrong, is the second you begin to own your spirituality.  

Of course it is wrong, where have I said otherwise?

I think the first constructive act those of us aware of this problem coud do is to stop calling the bullies "negs".  If instead, you imagined a man doing this to you by dropping a little acid in your coffee, or sending you micorwaves through your house all night long to "test the affect" on human consciousness, you might suddenly decide to do more than "work on yourself".   And then if you saw these same people, not negs, doing it to those you love, like your children, if you have any, it might change the way you view their actions.

Well you can believe that if you wish but I don't go in for all that neg-influenced disinformation.

I am not having a problem with "negs" as you describe.  I am dealing with an alien consciousness that has no morals, no spriituality.  They are a technologically sophisticated society without the heart, love and compassion of humanity.  And it is why we are moving forward, not them.

Well, then of course if they're not the normal every day kind of neg and what you are experiencing is different to other neg attacks then I guess the psychic self-defenses against the normal kind of negs won't work in your case, right? Do you think there may be a possibilty (however slight) that this is something that "normal" negs would want people to believe?

But in moving forward, we do have to unite and make agreements.  One of which I hope would be that psychic violence is not acceptable in any civilized society.

Of course it isn't, but who is going to stop them unless people like you and I learn (and use) psychic self-defense techniques?

kaili, what are you doing right now to protect yourself from negs? The reason I keep asking you this (and you keep refusing to answer) is because I have found that negs will influence their victims into not doing anything by getting them to believe that nothing works. You seem to be saying that you believe nothing works for you, and I've been there, but this is exactly how negs work. It's not in their interest to let you or others know what hurts or affects them. And they go to great lengths to convince their victims that nothing works. I've noticed they are doing this with you in the way you say they laugh at various things you have tried. It's all psychological. Don't you see that they were mocking you to try and get you to beleive what they wanted you to? And it worked didn't it?

You can again complain that I am lecturing you but what I am telling you is true. And if you continue to refuse to take advice from others (which is exactly what the negs want) then no-one can help you. Do you want help or not?

McArthur--you have been dealing with this problem which has gotten progressively worse for nearly seven years as far as I recall. Are you over it yet? No. Wink

No, it is an ongoing problem that has to be worked on. It seems to me that you are expecting some miracle cure for negs without having to do daily spiritual exercises. My neg trouble is easing precisely because I am now doing energy work, working on sheilding, and also accepting help from others. The thing with having the attention from negs is that one can't just get rid of them in one day and everything is then fine. One has to then do the sheilding and energy work daily and work on oneself spiritually in order to be able to reach and stay at a place where negs no longer have any effect. I am working on doing that, what are you doing?

I know exactly what you are doing. Nothing. And that is because your resident neg wants it that way. How do I know that? Because I've been through precisely the same manipulation. That's the thing about most negs, they use all the same tricks over and over. Oh sure they will try to get you to believe that your case is "special" or somehow "different" from everyone elses but that is them just feeding into your ego to help perpetuate their agenda and manipulation.

And the part above about positive emotions such as Love(heart chakra). You don't send them love because this means you are extending yourself to them, through which they then get into you. The energy is used as a shield and then one raises ones consciousness beyond where they have any affect. It's hard work yes, most people see spirituality as all love and light and easy work, but it's not. It's a lifetimes work. If attaining Enlightenment is so easy how come we're not all Buddhas by now?

Nita has a lot of experience and knowledge in this area and has spent years helping people with neg problems.  Why do you (or Circe) find it so difficult to accept that others may know more about how negs attack people than you do?

And yes, it sounds like your family has neg trouble.

I would also advise that, unless certain family members already know about this kind of thing, not to tell them you are seeing, hearing or feeling spirits attack you. Most peoples family members who know nothing of the spiritual may jump to the conclusion that one needs to see a psychiatrist for medication....  it happens. A lot.

A great post and an excellent article Nita. I'll read more of them later. Right now I am feeling all aglow again as I feel the warmth in my heart chakra with no attack from this neg I have been fighting. It really is like a form of psychic sheild.

What we are talking about reminded me of a quote from a Novel by Crowley. I'll quote the relevant part below:

http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/moonchild/mc05.html
OF THE THING IN THE GARDEN; AND OF THE WAY OF THE TAO

(snip)

"I'm afraid I, too, like danger and excitement!" cried Lisa.

    "I'm afraid you do! However, since Brother Cyril asks it, the Way of the Tao shall be trodden so far as this is possible: What would Brother Cyril do?"

    "I should take the Magic Sword, make the appropriate symbols, and invoke the Names Divine appurtenant thereto: the Thing, shrivelled and blasted, would go back to those that sent it, screaming in agony, cursing at the gods, ready to turn even on its employers, that they might wail with it in torment."

    "One of the best numbers on the programme," said Simon Iff. "Now see the other way!"

    "Yes: if your way is better than that!" cried the girl, her eyes gleaming.

    "It isn't my way," said the mystic, with a sudden inflection of solemnity. His voice rose in a low monotonous chant as he quoted from "The Book of the Heart girt with the Serpent."

    "I, and Me, and Mine were sitting with lutes in [65] the market-place of the great city, the city of the violets and the roses.

    "The night fell, and the music of the lutes was stilled.

    "The tempest arose, and the music of the lutes was stilled.

    The hour passed, and the music of the lutes was stilled.

    "But Thou art Eternity and Space; Thou art Matter and Motion; and Thou art the Negation of all these things. For there is no symbol of Thee."

    The listeners were thrilled to the marrow of their bones. But the old man merely gathered a handful of dittany leaves from the chased golden box where they were kept, and led the way to the garden.

    It was very dark; nothing could be distinguished but the outlines of the shrubs and the line of the fence beyond.

    "Do you see the Thing?" said Iff.

    Lisa strained her eyes.

    "You mustn't look for anything very definite," said the mystic.

    "It seems as if the darkness were somehow different in that corner," said Lisa at last, pointing. "A sort of reddish tinge to the murk."

    "Oh dear me! if you will use words like 'murk'! I'm afraid you're all on Cyril's side! Look now! " And he put his hand on her head. With the other he offered her the dittany. "Chew one of these leaves!" he said.

    She took one of the silver-grey leaves, with its delicate snow-bloom, between her teeth.

    "I can see a sort of shapeless mass, dark-red," she said after a pause.

    "Now watch!" cried Iff. He took several steps into the garden, and raised his right hand. "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law!" [66] he proclaimed in such a voice as once shook Sinai.

    Then he threw the rest of the dittany in the direction of the Thing.

    "By all the powers of the Pentagram!" shouted Cyril Grey; "he's deliberately making a magical link between it and Lisa." He bit his lip, and cursed himself in silence; he knew he had been startled out of prudence.

    Simon Iff had not noticed the outburst. He quoted "The Book of the Law," "Be strong!" he cried. "Enjoy all things of sense and rapture! There is no god that shall deny thee for this!"

    The Thing became coherent. It contracted slightly. Lisa could now see that it was an animal of the wolf type, couchant. The body was as big as that of a small elephant. It became quite clearly visible. It was a dull fiery red. The head was turned toward her, and she was suddenly shocked to see that it had no eyes.

    The old man advanced towards it. He had abandoned his prophetic attitude. His whole gait expressed indifference -- no, forgetfulness. He was merely a quiet old gentleman taking an evening stroll.

    He walked right into the Thing. Suddenly, as it enveloped him, Lisa saw that a faint light was issuing from his body, a pale phosphorescence which kindled warmly as he went. She saw the edges of the Thing contract, as if they were sucked inwards. This proceeded, and the light became intense. About a burning ovoid core dawned and vibrated the flashing colours of the rainbow. The Thing disappeared completely; at the same moment the light went out. Simon Iff was once again merely an old gentleman taking an evening stroll.

    But she heard a soft voice, almost as faint as an echo; it murmured: "Love is the law, love under will."

Hello MissFixx
  Love and goodness are not food for negs. It gives them problems and will repulse them. Loving yourself and any positive emotions help to resist the negativity they try to push into you to open your access points so they can affect your life.
 

I agree with this, negs will often try to invoke self-hatred and lack of confidence in their victim because the opposite positive emotions make things difficult for them. What I have found with my own experiences is that when my heart chakra is fully functioning and buzzing, that this somehow repels negs (or makes it so they can not affect me). It is probably a combination of the fact that I get a feeling of 'connection' to the Divine/Higher Self through this chakra (although I know the main one is the Crown chakra) and I also feel 'balanced' because of it. It is like in martial arts where balance is very important. And in Kabballah and exercises such as the Middle Pillar Exercise the Sephira called Tiphareth is the place of balance and also associated with the heart chakra and where one makes initial contact with ones Holy Guardian Angel/Higher Self.

And I don't know about anyone else but when my heart chakra is buzzing I get very strong sensations of Love that are extremely close to ecstasy.  It is like it is a higher form of energy/vibration that the low-level vibration/energy of negs has no way of affecting or influencing, in a similar way that negs are stuck in Yesod/Astral and therefore are not able to access/affect higher spiritual realms/Tiphareth.

So what Negs do, I think, is to do what they can to bring one down to their level (or attempt to block ones access to higher levels to begin with) of vibration where they can then more easily influence one.

Perhaps the idea isn't exactly to stop neg attacks against oneself but to make it so that the attacks have no place to land or attach to and therefore have no effect anyway. What if this is some kind of barrier put up by the Higher spiritual realms so that no being with any negativity in them can get past the "negs" and therefore to "Heaven"? To get to "Heaven" and past the Negs one has to find Love and compassion and exorcise all forms of negativity from oneself that one is holding onto?

  rrr okay i am new here, basically i have got this problem and i just now have gotten so sick of it that i am very ready to take action everyday---somebody tell me how to get this [edit] thing to go away...everytime i go lucid in my dreams which is nightly for me its just something I've always done,

What you are experiencing is similar to what people call a "Dweller on the Threshold" experience. It sounds like this entity is afraid of the fact you are opening up on the Astral and is trying to stop you from doing so. It will be trying this because once you come proficient at Lucid or Astral Projection you are actually quite a powerful being there. Negs like this are quite frightened of Astral Projectors/Lucid Dreamers. Oh, it will act all angry and attempt to intimidate you but for the most part this is all psychological because its own power is much weaker than yours is once you know what you are doing.

nowadays i will spot a character in the dream, and realize it is not me...or there is just something weird about it really, and then suddenly it becomes very angry and starts attacking me and just all it wants me to do is stop whatever it is that i am doing...no matter what..

Yes, it is trying to stop you from being a potential threat to it. Next time you are Lucid or Astral hold your hand up and ask reverently to the Divine/Spirit/God/Goddess (you choose, it doesn't matter which) for your sword. I.e. Say a short prayer in your mind perhaps like, "Dear Lord, I ask thee to give me the strength and Knowledge to protect myself and my loved ones from the evil that is bothering me. I ask the Light humbly for My Sword in order to vanquish this darkness."

Try it and let us know what happens. If that doesn't work then you can create a weapon yourself with your mind by intensely visualizing in your mind the weapon you want appearing in your hand. Try for a sword first as that may be easier to make. Another thing you may like to try is finding a fighting computer game to give yourself ideas of things to try out in the Astral environment. Playing the game for any length of time (especially just before sleep) will have the effect of imprinting on your mind the various fighting moves etc. You then copy these actions when you're Lucid in a dream.

The other option to fighting it is to run from it in your dream environment (spinning around or flying off at a fast pace etc) but if it is already around you constantly this will only be a temporary remedy. You're going to have to show it who is boss so it thinks twice about bothering you in future.

.at first i couldn't figure it out why it hated everything i initiated, but now i had read that maybe it wants to inhabit and control me,

That is possible, but initially it is probably because it is afraid of you becoming proficient on the Astral.

which explains the pressing sensation i feel which is painful, and causes me great fear and distress, especially as every morning i have a beginning obe because i am apparently ready to separate from body--i 'wake up' and see the real world with incredible accuracy, then start to wasn't to move but the entity presses down on me hating my very being and bombarding me with 'shocks' to my energy -once i was able to climb out of bed, but it knocked me to the floor..

Yes, see, it is trying to stop you getting OOBE because it knows it will then stand no chance against you if you know what you are doing. It uses intimadatory tactics because it isn't powerful enough to do much else but try to weaken you by getting you to fear it. You will have to work through any fear you have of it. Take up Karate or something.

.this thing is like evil i am thinking!

Well, it's probably just a kind of parasite. Negs are fond of getting their victims to believe they are far more powerful and evil than they actually are. It is like a bully and as with all bullies once you face up to it in a strong way it will probably leave you alone.

i have tried everything but i am afraid that it can prompt insanity and it is very threatening to me...okay i guess you can tell its kinda scary to me, but the thought of clearing it from my body and surroundings is very exciting because i am still an energetic person despite these er 'bully' beatings! i am already more familiar with it and less afraid, but i need strength in my energy body...and confidence...what is it, and like, how do i become strong spiritually? how do i destroy it basically?

I'm not sure whether it is possible to destroy it per se, but you can certainly make things so difficult for it that it will leave you alone and go to find easier prey elsewhere. Some advice for now:

Don't smoke.
Definitely NO DRUGS.
Don't open a conversation with it.
Show it no fear or any other emotions if you can.
Use the Force

You might want to read two of Robert Bruce's books "Astral Dynamics" and "Practical Psychic Self-Defense" www.astraldynamics.com  If you can't afford them you should be able to get your library to get them in if they don't have them already. There's some good reading material at this thread:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15841

And yes, it sounds like your family has neg trouble. Which may be another reason why any resident neg will be trying to stop you from becoming a threat to it as an Astral Projector.

[The effect of fear, and belief, on the mind of the otherperson.]

There's some interesting stuff in this book, some of which I feel is what Negs (human or otherwise) use to influence people. It gives ways of protecting against these kinds of influence:

http://www.geocities.com/alex_sumner/Clairvoyance.pdf
CLAIRVOYANCE AND OCCULT POWERS

Such as (these are chapter summaries):

LESSON XVI
PSYCHIC INFLUENCE: ITS LAWS AND PRINCIPLES
The laws and principles underlying the power of one mind to influence and
affect another mind. More than ordinary telepathy. The inductive power of
mental vibrations. Everything is in vibration. Mental vibrations are much
higher in the scale than are physical vibrations. What "induction" is. How
a mental state, or an emotional feeling, tends to induce a similar state
in another mind. Many instances cited. The different degrees of vibratory
influence, and what causes the difference. The contagious effect of a
"strong feeling." Why a strong desire has a dynamic effect in certain
cases. The power of visualization in Psychic Influence. The Attractive
Power of Thought. The effect of Mental Concentration. Focusing your
Forces. Holding the mind to a state of "one−pointedness." Why the
occultist controls his imagination. Suggestions as to practice, and rules
of development. A few easily−mastered principles which give you the key to the whole of this wonderful subject.

LESSON XVII
PERSONAL PSYCHIC INFLUENCE OVER OTHERS
Psychic Influence exerted over others, when in their presence. Different
degrees of the influence. Possession of this power by Alexander the Great,
Napoleon Bonaparte, Julius Caesar, and other great leaders of men. The
ability to influence others is a sure sign of the possession of this
psychic power. The Three Underlying Principles of Psychic Influence. The
importance of strong desire to influence and exert power. The importance
of clear, positive mental pictures of what effect you wish to produce. The
importance of the firm concentration of your mind on the subject. The
creation of a positive psychic atmosphere. The Positive Psychic Aura. How
to project your Psychic Power. The Psychic Struggle between two persons.
How to handle yourself in such conflicts of Psychic Power. How to
Neutralize the Psychic Power of others, and thus disarm them. The Occult
Shield of Defence. Valuable directions regarding practice and development
of Psychic Power. Scientific Exercises for Development. Important Rules of
Practice.

LESSON XVIII
PSYCHIC INFLUENCE AT A DISTANCE
Psychic Influence over others, manifested when they are distant from the
person exerting the influence. Distance no obstacle. Psychic Induction at
Long−Range. How to create the en rapport condition with the other person.
How to protect yourself against such influence at a distance. The Psychic
Armor. Psychometric Method of producing Distant En Rapport Condition. To
proceed when the en rapport condition is secured. The scientific
explanation of the old tales about sorcery, witchcraft, super−natural
influence, etc. The effect of fear, and belief, on the mind of the other
person. [McA: definitely one that negs use] The effect of Denial. The secret of many strange cases made plain.
Some typical cases. The Master−Key which unlocks the doors of many
Mysteries. Low forms of Occultism, and how they may be defeated. Dangerous Teachings in some quarters. Warnings against their use. The Astral Tube; how it is erected, used and employed. A simple, plain explanation of a puzzling occult manifestation. Self−Protection.

Yes, yes, and yes.  You and I experienced the exact same thing, came to the same conclusions.  And because what you just said is true--what makes you so trusting to think that the khodam is not the same ol' same ol' "good cop/bad cop" routine?  

Because I trust Peter Aziz and the work he does in this area of contact with spirits. I know there is a risk involved but it is a calculated one and not one taken with blinkers on. He who dares, wins. He has a free e-book on his site you may find interesting called "Ultimate healing Handbook." He even mentions in it about how humans had been manipulated in the past by beings stronger than us.

Most people, because of their heart nature, their vulnerability in spiritual matters, want so much to believe that all this is some kind of spiritual test.  

Or a punishment from God.  http://www.teachingpages.co.uk/minilesson/thorn.html

Or they are going through this to somehow help humanity--I catch myself falling into the same trap.

Yes, so do I. As I've said in this thread, Negs are good at influencing ones beliefs to suit their own agenda. If they can get one to believe it is a spiritual test or punishment from God then their victims may not fight it (because if they fought against it wouldn't they be fighting against God himself? etc etc)

 I tell the negs all the time that no matter how I fail or succeed consciously in "nailing" them, my Observer self knows their signature, and all Beings are held accountable ultimately.  And I truly believe this.

I get into that vengeance stuff myself at times too. But lately I'm beginning to see that that might be a kind of attachment to the neg on my part so am trying just to let it go (my attachments/emotions towards the neg).

 But what if they are just analogous to sharks in a feeding frenzy?  Suddenly a school of fish appears before them, and they eat.  No more, no less.  

Carlos Castaneda/Don Juan said that we live in a predatorial Universe. Perhaps we humans aren't as important as we think we are on the Cosmic scale of things.

These non physical Beings have been talked about in every culture, the good and the bad, the ghosts, the spiritual guides, the "entities, or ET's, in the fourth dimension".  Every culture has different names for them, and most would agree, they get some kind of energy from humanity or they wouldn't stick around.  It seems that in the last five or ten years, the barrier separating us has thinned.  Perhaps this is simply because of physics.  

Have you stopped to consider, with all that we don't know about EM fields, and the little that we (humanity) has discovered recently, these affects that we are experiencing could be a simple cause and effect, with no spiritual purpose at all.  The magnetic field of the earth is changing--has changed quite drastically in that it's been erratic these last twenty years.  The Schuman resonance, the same thing.  All of which life depends on to be healthy, to be sane.  Perhaps the only thing that you and I and others like us (we don't know how many are going through it and simply in an insane asylum) have in common is increased sensitivity to these changing fields, and the desire and tendency to want to analyze or explain it.  

I don't believe this is the case as "spirits of Satan" and "unclean spirits" have been around for thousands of years. What is happening to you and I is probably something that has happened to some humans for a very long time. I don't think it's anything unusual or out of the ordinary or much different from past experiences like it. We may, of course, interpret the experiences differently though. With Job and Paul it's God that sends the Negs, but I don't believe that.  

You have a tendency in your posts to respond to your own posts.  In the height of my neg control, this was a reflection of me---I found myself responding as if I was a split personality.  One part comments, than another, then another, as if I am a multitude of Beings.  This isn't all bad--because for lack of a way to "figure this out" with someone who knows what you're going through, and exactly what you know without being able to explain why you know, causes you to be able to test your own conclusions.  So it's okay, as long as you know you are doing it.  

Well I kind of get further insights I want to share and put out there in case anyone else has an insight on  them. It's not that I am talking to myself as a 'seperate part', I am (mostly) just quoting the previous comment my further insight is connected to so as to make it easier for people to follow.

It's terrible what is happening to some of us, and it's helpful (to a point) to come here and analyze it publicly for those who may go through it in the future (or who are lurking and afraid to jump into the fire).  But try for the most part to forget the analyzing and just observe.  That's the message I was trying to convey to you earlier--you have a tendency to analyze your own experiences, which is your right to do so.

Yes there can be the trap to overanalyze things that I fall into at times. But for the main part what I am doing is Intensely Concentrating on finding a solution to my neg problem rather than giving up without a fight. Many an Invention has been created this way. And if one can visualize strongly enough in ones Imagination (Astral) the things we seek, then we can attract those things to us. The Law of attraction in operation.

 You do not have the qualifications to analyze anybody elses (but which you try to do).  By qualifications, I don't mean a PhD, I mean only the person going through the experience is qualified to analyze it.

For the most part you are right. But there are some circumstances where because someone has a certain kind of knowledge they may recognise things in other peoples experiences and know what is happening. Psychiatrists for example. or i.e. Say you are experiencing a medical illness but your doctor is not, he is still qualified to diagnose you. I'm not in particular saying that I personally am qualified to comment on your neg problem, but just an example.

The best we can do for each other is simply to share our observations.  You may be amazed at the patterns that emerge without drawing one conclusion.

We can do that yes. But there is also the possibility that others hold certain knowledge about our kind of experiences from which they can then give advice or directly help. Robert Bruce has been helping people with experiences of negs for years and also wrote a book full of advice. And the shaman I saw removes entities from peoples auras etc. But if we don't accept that some people may be qualified to comment on our experiences and exclude them from doing so, then they will be unable to help us. We, ourselves, will be stopping them from doing so.

[externally applied fields]

Also:

http://www.mercola.com/2003/jan/11/electromagnetic_fields.htm
Electromagnetic Fields May Cause Cancer

Robert Becker, Marino's supervisor, had done a series of experiments beginning in the 1950s showing that the body of all organisms has a Direct Current (DC) field, and that electric currents produced all over the body are involved in controlling growth and regeneration [it is when this controlling of growth and regeneration is disrupted that Tumors start growing]. By the 1960s, Becker had already proposed that an electrical communication system exists within all living things, and demonstrated that externally applied fields[i.e.  a "ghosts" Em field] could influence the processes of growth and regeneration.

(and)
The evidence is overwhelming that electro-dynamical fields and currents are involved in intercommunication within the body.

(and)
The body uses electromagnetic signals of different frequencies and extents to intercommunicate. Hence it would be surprising if external electromagnetic fields did not have an effect.

(and)
Ten years ago in my laboratory, we found we could dramatically transform the global body pattern of the fruitfly larva simply by exposing the embryos within the first three hours of development for 30 minutes to very weak static magnetic fields. The transformation is unique and striking: the normal segmental pattern became twisted towards a helical pattern. In one instance, a completely helical larva was obtained.

Of course, this is not to say that all cancers are caused by negs, but the evidence so far does indicate that the subtle Em fields that they give off may be having physically detrimental effects on peoples health (as well as mental and spiritual). If a neg is actually inside the aura and attached and staying in one place then that area of ones body is going to be under constant influence of the ghosts/negs weak Em field.

[electrical senses, NERVOUS SYSTEM, brain, and consciousness]

Excuse me while I comment on my own posts again. I do this because after I've written something down I often get or find other insights in connection to what I've written. Which is why me posting this stuff kind of helps in a way. If I wasn't writing this stuff down I may not be getting these insights etc.

If 'ghosts' are Em in nature could it be that one of the ways they attach to humans is via these magnetic crystals on a cellular level? Are some dis-eases caused by the magnetic properties of these crystals being damaged/changed/disrupted by a Negs invasive Em field? How about degaussing them?

I.E. If a neg is Em in nature could it not be attaching some of its negative poles to the positive poles within ourselves in the same way that the south and north of two magnets do? And are strong magnetic pulses perhaps disrupting the polarities of this connection thus breaking off the attachment? And is the reason why peoples health is improving after EM Pulse Treatment (or being struck by lightning)  because the neg attachment is no longer there causing the Em/electrical disruptions in cells in Medical cases and/or thought intrusions in Mental Health cases? No-one knows as yet why EM pulse therapy works, could this be the reason?

The above theory that consciouness is an Em field is highly interesting and fits in with the fact that "ghosts" (disembodied consciousness) are Em in nature. So what a 'possession' or Neg interference might be is when a foreign 'consciousness'(Em field) gets tangled up with our brains own Em field/consciousness.

Here's yet another interesting article I'll add a snippet of below (empasis mine):

http://www.electronetwork.org/articles/pulse.htm

To me this all sounded oddly familiar, as I myself am an electrical researcher, who has a theory of the electrical evolution of the universe. [8] But the mystery, to me, has always blurred from the point of cellular evolution up to that of human beings. It is easy to realize the significance of electricity in relation to our electrical senses, NERVOUS SYSTEM, brain, and consciousness, but less so on the microscopic scale, when analyzing the effects of single electrons upon the macrocosm of the human body- but this is exactly what the field of electro- chemistry and Dr. Garnett in particular have accomplished.

In fact, this electronic interaction is the First Pulse that Dr. Garnett and myself believe constitutes life. That is, along with the structural information in a chain of molecules, say, making up DNA, is a flow of energy which keeps the cell, and thus the body, healthy. This pulse is a vibration, the result of a frequency of shaking molecules, a literal 'music of the spheres' to be heard by those listening to its signal. [9]

What is amazing is that, while Dr. Garnett has an understanding of this microscopic level, he goes on to compare the electrical nature at the cellular level with that of the macroscopic level of the electrical infrastructure, with a good understanding of both Edison's and Tesla's contributions to electrical science and technology, and in turn relates their electrical theories of alternating current (AC) and direct current (DC) to his work with this vital spark of the energetic electron. [10] It is this universality of electrical knowledge which is so inspiring.

Ultimately, this electronic First Pulse is metabolic: the cell's food is electrical which in turn the DNA utilizes to create an electrical field. [11] Filling in a piece of the mysterious puzzle of electrical evolution, Dr. Garnett states: "The schematic is complete. The cell has its first pulse, which makes an active energy exchange between the internal and external... And this first pulse resonates with many other cells, and the packed cells carry on their pulsations with the environment. They resonate with each other and set each other off by inductive influence so that their pulses increase. And the tissue pulses appear, and the heart beats and the brain discharges and the muscles evolve. The organelles modulate and use this in contractile structures, converting the pulse to organic phosphates and other high-energy bonds. But the cell pulse is first and provides the raw electrical energy for all the physiologic pulses." [12]

Thus, the cosmologists believe that the universe evolved out of electromagnetic radiation and the birth of electrically charged particles, creating matter in the void. Now, there is an electrical theory of life, constituted on the knowledge of electricity at the molecular level up to the human being. It is an important accomplishment for this field of electrical research, and specifically so for the medical field.

This is because Dr. Garnett's research work, grounded in the pragmatics of trial and error scientific (and artistic) experimentation, led to a treatment called the palladium complex (LAPd), based on this new electrogenetic understanding of cancer, restoring the cells energy instead of killing the cancerous cells off, as in traditional chemotherapy treatment. This unique approach to cancer treatment was the result of an investigation into corrosion engineering and the electrical properties of metals. in the end, Dr. Garnett's hard work and vision have produced a new model for cancer research, and the LAPd complex is in the testing stage, after having restored mice from full-blown cancer to full health. [13]

So the presence of a Neg attachment, and therefore its Em field, is causing disruptions via "inductive influence" in the Em/electrical properties of the cells where cancer starts. Or disruptions in the "flow of energy [or electricity, the cell's food] which keeps the cell, and thus the body, healthy."  Robert Bruce says that lumps can be signs of neg attachment, well most cancers are lumps. And after his possession experience, he also postulates that Negs somehow do this via the Nervous System (central or autonomous etc). I do believe my theory of how they use subtle EM fields to the brain/CNS to do this is extremely plausable also.

Does this make sense to anyone else?

You have WAY too much going on in deep levels for "feedback" like that to possibly be helpful.  Also, what I perceived could easily be just a matter of you in the midst of your work of the moment.

That is very perceptive of you. It's also because I've had 7 years of constant "voices" criticizing my every thought, so I can get a little.. prickly about it (but certainly wouldn't expect to be treated with kid gloves because of it). I also now see that my comments on kaili's experiences may have had a similar effect, so apologies to you kaili for that (although I still disagree that Angels are parasites ). And don't worry about it Christina there's absolutely no harm done, it gave me a chance to affirm my will and also learn a couple of lessons. So we can both now just let it go without having any attachments to it. Like I said, I know you were trying to help, as I was trying to help kaili in my ham-fisted kind of way.

(kaili I'll get to your post later, need to give my brain a rest for a while.)

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Ummm you may wish to look up the definition of "copyright" claiming something is copyrighted implies that you have a document certifying your work has been reviewed and copy protected.

Ummm...  I think you'll find you're getting Copyright mixed up with Patents.

http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html#hsc

(emphasis in the original)

HOW TO SECURE A COPYRIGHT
Copyright Secured Automatically upon Creation

The way in which copyright protection is secured is frequently misunderstood. No publication or registration or other action in the Copyright Office is required to secure copyright. (See following Note.) There are, however, certain definite advantages to registration. See "Copyright Registration."

Copyright is secured automatically[/b] when the work is created, and a work is "created" when it is fixed in a copy or phonorecord for the first time. "Copies" are material objects from which a work can be read or visually perceived either directly or with the aid of a machine or device, such as books, manuscripts, sheet music, film, videotape, or microfilm.

I have my "copy" on my material hard drive which is a "machine or device" with which it can be read.

I don't mean to be picky or rude but there are a number of issues of ownership when "original work" is produced on what might be considered collective public media.

http://tinyurl.com/5fqnp

Anyway, it was mainly a bit of lighthearted fun rather then the notion someone was going to print my posts for financial gain. It's actually not even necessary to give a copyright notice for your original work, it just makes it that bit easier to make a complaint against infringement should the occasion arise. I appreciate your concern though.

Looks like some excellent links, thanks.

Here's another couple to add:

http://tinyurl.com/5xvqw
Entities: Parasites of the Body of Energy

http://www.mindspring.com/~pmarsh/proct101.html
Magickal Protection 101: A Basic Introduction to Magickal Protection

http://www.hermetics.org/pdf/Psychic_Self_Defense.pdf
Dion Fortune's book in pdf format

http://www.hermetic.com/browe-archive/pentagram%20ritual.htm
probably the best online article about the "Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram" and how to perform it.

One thing that will help is if you start doing Robert Bruce's "New Energy Ways"

http://www.astraldynamics.com/tutorials/?BoardID=6

Or other Energy Raising techniques you may feel drawn to. Another one is "The Middle Pillar Exercise":

http://www.llewellynencyclopedia.com/article/1295

http://realmagick.tripod.com/middlepillar.html

http://www.hermeticgoldendawn.org/Pillar.htm


You could also contact the shaman at the link below for some help and possibly for some Flower Essences that may also help. Contact him and ask what he thinks will help you (he has had PC trouble lately so if he doesn't reply to your email you might try phoning him--his number is under contact).

http://www.azizshamanism.com/essences.html

© Copyright McArthur (a pseudonym)
All rights reserved for all posts/articles by myself that may be distributed freely (with this Copyright notice) but not for financial gain or in print form without my written consent.


(Yes, I'm going to be writing a book.)

I've just instructed my Khodam to get as much knowledge from the "mind" of this neg as possible as to how it has been attacking/influencing humans and in what ways. I feel that if this neg can somehow scan my mind then it ought to be possible for another strong spirit to scan the negs mind. So we steal  it's thoughts and knowledge in order to know just exactly how to fight it, just like it has been doing to me ( I'm sure it has the knowledge of how it can be hurt and what hurts it and other negs and what kind of defenses work against them). Then once I'm rid of it I can get the Khodam to pass this knowledge onto me (which is exactly the kind of thing that Adepts have used Khodams for throughout the centuries). So we reverse the situation from me being attacked to me and my Khodam holding it hostage to "interrigate" it for what it knows. Nice, I like that idea.    

This just may work you know. It's weakness is the fact it has connected into my mind. But I am blending this Khodam into my mind also. So the Khodam should be able to invade the Negs "mind" and thoughts through its attachment to my mind. We Hack into it throught it's attachment! Ahh, Tai Kwon Do of the spiritual kind.

I'm now constantly repeating to it (and getting my Khodam to repeat it), "What hurts you?" And believe it or not it's gone awefully quiet. I wonder how long it will be able to concentrate on not giving away ways it can be hurt. It's the old trick of how to get someone to think about monkeys by saying, "Don't think of monkeys!" (a variation of which it has used against me) So if I or my Khodam repeat "What hurts you?" often enough I'm sure it will slip up with the occasional thought of how it has been hurt in the past, or at the very least keep it occupied.

Merry Christmas!

For instance, I would perhaps think "I wonder if that is correct or not" about something and then get a muscle twitch in my left leg for no...  and find myself thinking "Oh, it mustn't be correct then." It's really quite an insidious form of mental intrusion. But I'm now well onto their little games and am finding it easier and easier to counteract it.

It is a little more complicated than this actually. They/It don't always attempt to make me believe the opposite of what is correct in this way. They make "comments" that are sometimes true and sometimes false. It's a confusion technique they use to wear their victim down. You can't just automatically think they lie about everything because they will often give a "yes" to something that is indeed a yes, therefore trying to make you believe the opposite (by telling the truth) because you know they lie so often (if you understand my meaning). And at those times when you get "correct information" it can be tempting to believe there may be another "good spirit" trying to give you proper 'advice'. The old good cop/bad cop routine is one of their tricks. One scares you to death and wears you down with psychic attacks then another one comes along to "save you" (or it could even be the same Neg pretending to be both) and you're so thankful you open up with complete trust to the second neg. So the only option is to totally ignore these "comments", but as I've already said it can be hard to do when they are doing it almost 24/7.

It's no wonder they don't like me with me giving away so many of their secrets. Knowledge is Power, and knowledge of how they work helps to build defenses against them. If I had never had a neg problem I wouldn't know so much of how they operate and therefore be working on ways to beat them. It is a kind of poetic Justice that their interference with humans may be the cause of their eventual downfall. And the more they attack me the closer I get to finding an eventual solution to the neg problem.

[to create a "sensed presence" in the test subject's brain.]

I can feel when an entity touches me (especially my legs) and even have real physical surface muscles twitch when they do so. It got started that they would use my left leg for a "no" comment and my right leg for a "yes" comment, which they are still doing to a certain degree as I type.

I'll add something to this that I just remembered and how I remembered it. After posting the above I got up to make some tea and this entity was being a pest making muscles/nerves twitch in my legs again. I switched on my beard trimmer (which I keep plugged in) and rubbed it over my legs kind of trying to stop the sensations in my legs (see the link in this thread to my previous thread about Em fields and negs about why I use this). Then I ran the trimmer over my head and neck (this tends to give me some instant relief of this entity and I use it when the interference gets too much) and as I did so the muscle/nerve twitches in my legs became a lot weaker. I suddenly remembered a theory I had been thinking about as to how the entity is able to make the muscles in my legs twitch.

It actually doesn't feel like my main leg muscles but the nerves in my legs that are probably connected to the CNS. And I have been thinking about the following:


http://www.erowid.org/spirit/devices/devices_article1.shtml
(a snippet)
"We can use TMS to prevent people from seeing a visual stimulus or make it hard for them to speak", he says. They can also make people move their limbs without any voluntary control."

and;

"In scientific terminology, he uses a specific, precisely timed, repetitive signal - one dubbed the "Thomas Pulse" - to create a "sensed presence" in the test subject's brain. "

If this neg is indeed using subtle Em fields to my brain (and I can actually feel it in my skull, whatever it is doing) then perhaps these sensations in my legs aren't because it is somehow attached to them but because it is creating the sensations directly via my brain/CNS which then feel very realistically on my legs. If this is true then it's really bloody clever isn't it? All this time my attention has been diverted to my legs thinking I have attachment points there when in fact it's in my skull. What better tactic to use against your victim than to get them to believe the problem is somewhere the furthest away from where it actually is? It now seems so obvious that if it is indeed somehow connecting into the CNS (using Em fields or otherwise) that it would be via the Brain and spine and not the legs... and how the hell would it be monitoring my thoughts anyway if it was only connected to my legs?

That's it, no more concentrating on illusionary attachments to my legs. From now on I'm concentrating on getting this thing out of my skull.

What makes this even more insidious of course is that the majority of people reading posts like mine would think I was quite insane. I'm sure it suits the Neg agenda perfectly that people like me are at risk of being locked away in an Asylum, believed to be a madman, and effectively silenced.

Wow, if that's all he had to do...

I'm sure there was more to it, as you are probably aware. Perhaps him talking to the "unclean spirits" meant he took them within himself away from the victim and dealt with them from there. Not something us ordinary people would want to do obviously, but possible (an Adept in Dion Fortunes "Psychic Self-Defense" does something very similar.)

I asked many times "who are you?", especially in the beginning stages when they were outside of me, trying to get in.  Never a response.  And I still asked when they were inside though I would never trust their answer.  

Well just so I'm clear on this part I wasn't suggesting people talk to these spirits, just fire the questions at them without waiting for a response. I'm now wondering if even that is a good idea to be honest. Robert Bruce says, and I agree with him, that talking to them may help them to make more attachments to one.  Perhaps it's even one of the ways they get inside of us. Perhaps talking to them somehow allows them into our space, which is why things like Ouija boards are dangerous. What do you think?

One can't help but ask that question of an attacker.

I also have found it hard not to talk to them with them being there all the time, but I'm now beginning to see that this may be making me more vulnerable to their invasive attacks. If I talk to them then this is probably giving them a direct link to my mind....  rather like a vulnerability in a computer firewall. If one talks to a Hacker, say on ICQ or something, then that person then will know (if they are good at it) which of ones ports are open and what ones IP number is and perhaps have a direct link to ones computer via the ICQ. Does that make sense, it only just come to me?

To me, the tones are a type of energy signature--but as soon as I picked up on this, and they knew what I was thinking regarding certain tones (if it comes via my left ear, it means X, if it comes via my right ear, it means Y, if it is short and high pitched, it means Z, and so on), they used that information to manipulate me using those same tones.

I have had similar manipulation but not with 'tones'. I can feel when an entity touches me (especially my legs) and even have real physical surface muscles twitch when they do so. It got started that they would use my left leg for a "no" comment and my right leg for a "yes" comment, which they are still doing to a certain degree as I type. So they then monitor my thoughts for anything they feel worth commenting on (that would help them to dig into me deeper) and then immediately either 'touch' my left or right leg making a yes or no comment (and therefore trying to influence what I think about the thought they are trying to comment on). I have noticed though that some of the thoughts they seem to 'comment' on sometimes feel like it is they who are injecting it into my mind because the twitch in either leg would be at the very same time as the thought...  and the thought itself would have a feeling of "not me" to it.

I feel that the purpose is not really to comment on my thoughts but to make more attachments to my mind/Inner metaspace. I've had that for 7 years and to say it's annoying would be an understatement. It is highly frustrating and many a time I have drunk myself numb on alcohol (which in the end only serves to weaken me further, even though there would be a temporary respite). Only now am I starting to be able to ignore the thoughts they seem to be commenting on as they touch either leg. At some points in the past though I had started to accept their comments without realizing it if I didn't remain vigilant (even though I know it is a form of manipulation). For instance, I would perhaps think "I wonder if that is correct or not" about something and then get a muscle twitch in my left leg for no...  and find myself thinking "Oh, it mustn't be correct then." It's really quite an insidious form of mental intrusion. But I'm now well onto their little games and am finding it easier and easier to counteract it.

 So I learned that it was best not to CONSCIOUSLY focus on them.  But I've never felt the presence of astral activity (coming and going) without them.

So what do you think about the fact that Tinnitus sufferers complain of these tones also?

http://www.t-gone.com/tinnitus-faq2/noise-0021.asp

http://www.zak.co.il/deaf-info/old/tinnitus.html#whatisit

Example:  I experienced the oppressive,

Hmmm... why would you want to experience that?

lecturing tone in this post that follows . . . even though you were specifically trying to do the opposite.

Well, I shall be honest with you. Perhaps you may have been picking up on the fact that I found it oppressive to be lectured to on the way I post or what I should be posting. I now understand that kaili has an issue with people giving advice and it isn't just me, so I shall refrain from it in future in order not to intentionally upset her. Talking of which, I had hoped we could get past this slight diversion but then you come and lecture me on how "you feel" I am supposedly making you feel. I am not responsible for your feelings, you are. Especially as it was not my Intent to be oppressive.

Again, the reason I'm commenting is that this is a BIG communication problem of my own, and I know how difficult it can be to deal with -- especially if you're unaware of it.

I do understand that what you are trying to do is give "friendly advice" but I'm not altogether sure whether to be insulted or not. You were trying to lecture me on my posting style, timidly disguised as "feedback" that was "not in any way a criticism" as though talking gently down to a child. You even hinted that you felt I was being immature, or else why would you use your own immaturity as an example?

Of course, the lesson in all of this (for me) is that I don't appreciate your tone just like kaili didn't appreciate mine. And also that perhaps we have to take responsibility for our own emotions rather than projecting a form of blame onto others. And that sometimes things may not be as they seem. And also to nurture the feeling that we are able to love ourselves as we are rather than being forced to bend our wills to the insecure needs of others (or ourselves because we have a need to be liked). I understand that I may get carried away at times but I simply refuse to walk on eggshells. I'm not forcing anyone to read what I post and the choice is always there not to. So I would appreciate it if you would refrain from attempting to force me into a mold you have built for yourself, not me.

Can we get onto the subject of what hurts negs now or not, as I'm sure they are enjoying this diversion?

Talking of which (and to no-one in particular), I seem to be making a much better connection with this Khodam. The healing sessions (as I call them) started off quite mild and short but are getting much stronger and longer in duration. Last night my heart chakra, chest and other areas felt "hot" (the energy actually kind of feels like it would if one was sunbathing on a summer day) and very active for at least 4 hours and I could feel strong energy flowing into me that somehow disrupts the attachment/interference of these negs. There are one or two entities still there but they are definitely very weak and to be honest at times I don't even notice them (as opposed to the before state where I was aware of them more or less 24/7). In fact I had quite a long period last night where my Clairaudience was totally quiet with no "voices" chattering away. The same is happening as I type and to say it's a relief would be an understatement. I can sort of sense the entities fighting and that they are certainly not happy about what is happening but I am very calm about it and have a kind of "indifference" towards them as though they are really quite an insignificant problem, which also seems to be helping (rather than thinking they are some kind of important experience, which would be a kind of attachment on my part making it more difficult to rid myself of them).

The night before last I did feel some neg activity/pain around my crown chakra, so in addition to the healing I am receiving I put some cut garlic cloves on the area using a hat to hold them down (I also put some at my base chakra while I was at it) and the activity eventually went away without too much trouble.

I experience an oppressive lecturing tone when you comment on someone else's post.  I do not experince that when you post something that's original to you and not in reaction to someone else.

Ouch. Oppressive? OK I'll have to work on that I guess. But, oppressive? Would you mind giving an example from this thread of what you mean?

p.s. Thanks for the lecture.