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I found this interesting and thought I would share.

"Kozyrev's mirrors open up those enclosed in them to new perceptions. Those enclosed within these specially shaped concave aluminum mirrors have out of body experiences and see visions that far exceed even LSD. The Russians have done immense research on Kozyrev's mirrors."
Guess it's my day to make some posts. Lol. I hope they are helpful?

Anyway, I got thinking, my twenty years of studying NDE's, the knowledge gleaned, might be helpful for newer people who wonder if the OBE/AP, and other supernatural phenomenon are real or not. I know I used to wonder.

NDE's are at their core, out of body experiences, so I feel this post is right on topic for this forum.
In researching phenomenon like this for decades, there's a point you cross statistically, where these sorts of experiences are real without question. And, going with Occam's Razor principle, the simplest answer is often the best, then the probability post one's studies, is that the supernatural being real IS the simplest/best answer.

The materialist explanations then start to seem like mental gymnastics that are downright silly.

So, after about a decade of reading thousands of NDE's, I personally connected a lot of dots. Some of those dots I summarized in an essay I dubbed "Opposite Theory."
What is opposite theory, at least in my meaning?
It is when people have an experience that is opposite of their life conditioning, or they gain new knowledge they would not have had before that is opposite of what they would want to learn.
One could argue, maybe all of these NDE experiencers read NDEs/OBEs before they died? Fine, if you want to say that during the internet age. However, if you go back and read experiences from the early 1900's or 1800's even, then the features are the same clear back then.
There was no internet in those years gone by to easily learn what NDE's are like, and in fact, the further you go back in time, the more fearful people were to talk about their experience lest they be thrown in a mental ward.
So, with that said, I'll share a shortened bullet points version of my essay with some examples.

#1. The Life Review

- Most people have been conditioned to think of Heaven, Hell, judgement, God, Satan, etc. Even the non-religious will often think in these terms, despite they don't believe in religious concepts.
- Therefore, why do nearly all life reviews of NDE's have the following attributes that are opposite of people's conditioning?
- No judgement of any sort, save judging one's self, which you don't have to do.

- No literal "Heaven" or "Hell", or Satan.

- The life reviewees are put into the experience of everyone they affected in their lives and feel how they made others feel, good or bad. However they made others feel, then goes out in an energetic wave affecting everyone else.
So, in other words, the person in the life review may step into and feel dozens, hundreds, or thousands of other people's feelings that were all caused by the life reviewee's direct actions while alive.
- Imagine Hitler. He may have been placed into the souls of millions to feel directly how his actions affected all of those people, their children and even children they did not have because they were killed.
So, the above is pretty wild and typical people would not ever think of that sort of thing that happens in a life review. Therefore, it is opposite of most people's life conditioning, yet remarkably consistent in the life review between many people who did not know of each other prior to their NDE.
#2 Told to go back/work to do

- Most NDE's are told at some point it is not their time, they have work left to do, WHILE they are in the middle of a typically heavenly experience.
- Most say they did NOT want to come back but were made to.
- Therefore, this is opposite of what most people would imagine, or their minds would "make up." If it was a hallucination, then it stands to reason, the experiencer would choose to stay in the heavenly place and not return by force to what can often be an Earthly hell for many.
#3. 360 Vision

- Many NDE's go to the other side and their vision works in a 360 degree format, where they can see from all directions.

- As you know, throughout our lives, we see forward with two eyes. If the NDEs were the brain hallucinating, why make up this 360 degree vision? Why would nearly everyone that mentions it, all have this similar vision type of experience without knowing the other NDE'rs?

- 360 degree vision is opposite of most people's experience of vision.
#4. Telepathy

- In our normal lives, we all talk with our mouths, correct? Telepathy is the subject of movies and fiction. We know what it is, but we don't do it.
- In the collective NDE experience, I can't think of an NDE that the experiencer did not use telepathy to communicate.
- Therefore, yet again, this is completely opposite of people's conditioning of how they talk to one another. Why does everyone use "woo woo" telepathy on the "other side" if it is just a hallucination?

#5. Colors, Sounds, Music

- All of us are used to the standard colors, sounds, types of music, etc., that are in our environment.
- Numerous NDE'rs mention colors they have never seen before, sounds or music that is impossible on Earth, and so on.
- So, if the NDE is only a hallucination, why are so many people making up the idea that there has to be colors, sounds, etc., that they have never experienced before? This would be opposite of what we would expect.

#6. General Beliefs

-   Along the lines of what was said in the life review section, consider that most religious beliefs are based around NON New Age/Eastern Spiritual. Many people are Christian and believe in the bible for instance.
-   However, many Christians find experiences like the NDE/OBE to be demonic in origin.
-   But, then Christians who themselves have an NDE, often come back expressing concepts that are against their original beliefs and have New Age/Eastern Spiritual leanings.

-   Or, Atheists who come back and did not believe in anything, also come back with New Age/Eastern Spiritual leanings.

-   In both cases, these changes or additions to their knowledge are opposite of their conditioning.

-   In some cases, the person may not have even been aware of New Age/Eastern Spiritual teachings. I know I wasn't when I was religious, decades ago. Therefore, how did they learn knowledge they did not know?

-   This would be especially true of children who have NDE's and do not have many pre-conceived notions, yet also can come back with "New Age/Eastern Spiritual types of knowledge. How?

#7. Oneness

- Nearly all NDE'rs speak of "Oneness" or that we are all connected. Most average people do not think in terms of being connected to everyone else, the Earth, animals, etc.

- Thus, this is another example of learning the opposite of what we would expect.

# 8. No time

- We all live in this realm under the dictates of time. However, nearly all NDE's speak of there being no such thing as time on the other side, rather, everything is occuring at once.

- Thus, again, if the NDE were a hallucination, why would all of these people's brains come up with the bizarre idea of "no time?" That is opposite of everything they know regarding time and is even impossible to comprehend as humans.

The main take away is, once you read enough deeper NDE and/or OBE experiences, across the centuries, and across all various population, ages, and belief types, it becomes apparent that it is impossible for all of these people to have similar data that is opposite of what they believed, or they didn't know at all.

I've only given some of my examples of opposite theory, there are more, but this is long enough.
Anyway, so I propose, statistically speaking, that something supernatural is occurring. NDE's and OBE's in most cases, are not hallucinations of the mind, but are genuine experiences beyond the normal physical body.

Hope this helps someone. I may expand on this post if I think of anything important that I forgot.

I'll take a new posts break for a while now. : )

I will add a clarification for my original post. I said "most" NDEs a lot. In saying that, I meant most "deep" NDEs. And, specifically deep NDEs with those particular features.

There are numerous NDEs where people just pop out of their body for a bit and then pop back in. My essay is based on the deeper and more profound experiences that have similar commonalities. NDEs can be pretty different despite having some things in common.

Some features like "no time", "must go back", "oneness" are very common. In contrast, life reviews  are not very common, at least not the deeper ones. However, when people do have them, they are similar in scope.

Think of it like visiting Earth as a metaphor. There is blue sky, dirt, birds, rocks, etc., all over the place on Earth. Those sorts of things are common features. However, the many locations of Earth still differ dramatically in other ways.

For anyone that doesn't know and has interest, NDERF has a vast collection of thousands of them. I recommend starting with reading the exceptional NDEs here.

The standard ones are here.
There are reams of stories, journals, etc., on this site going back many years. I've lurked through many of them over the years.

Regardless, it's a lot to dig through to find those perhaps not so common, high quality, specific "gold nuggets" of wisdom folks might have gleaned while OBE/AP.

I thought it might be nice to have an easily accessed "treasury" of the best of the best of your gold nuggets/diamonds of learning, if that hasn't been done already elsewhere in the forum.

I personally like to read what people have learned directly from going to the "other side." Tom Campbell, Monroe, Buhlman, Darius Wright, etc., to name a few who have shared much.

But, Tom also says, each experience is unique to what a person might learn. I'm sure there are tons of wisdom bits people here may have tucked away in their knowledge base from going OBE/AP.

So, if willing, what are one or two of your most profound, deep learning experiences while OBE/AP?

What can you tell us from your POV of how reality functions, how dying plays out, how dimensions work, healing, or whatever you might have learned from your guides, higher self, ET's, dimensional exploration, etc.?

Those are just a few of infinite paths of learning on the other side, I would imagine.

Please share if you feel so inspired? (I've not had an OBE yet, so I don't have anything formal to put in the treasury just yet. Someday soon!)

Note: I always put "other side" in quotes, because I realize there's not really an "other side," but rather an ocean of multi-dimensional frequency we all exist within and without. However, it's easier than saying all of that. Lol.
Quickie question for anyone who wants to answer.

Have others of you had similar experiences to the below and if so, what do you make of it?

Both my wife and I on quite a few occasions have had a voice pop into our heads out of the blue when meditating or sometimes when just trying to sleep or wake up.

The voice always says a name and in my case, it's always my own first name said to me, as if being called out to, to come, but in an almost angry or upset way.

My wife has heard names other than her own called out.

When this happens, the name comes in much louder than my thoughts and seems to originate in another part of my head, perhaps closer to my ear.

The other odd part for me in particular, is the name is usually said by my father (not deceased) in his exact vocal inflection or at times my now deceased mother. It is clearly their voice and they usually will sound stern/firm in how they state my name.

Again, it's very loud, clear, and right out of the blue, so much so, it is quite startling and not a part of my normal thought stream.

One of the times when the mom voice said my name, she swore right after like she used to when alive, when she was frustrated. She was very religious and rarely would swear.

One of the names called out most forcefully in my wife's head years back we could not place and had no meaning to us, but it sure startled her.

Anyway, it's weird.

In another thread, I briefly mentioned around the turn of the century, I had a very powerful series of vibrations while listening to Hemi Sync Immersion. I won't repeat the whole thing, but the point is, then, and one other time back then, when any vibrations occurred, I could not exit the body, or physical perspective, however you want to put it.

So, as of recently, I've been making concerted efforts again to go OBE. (without bianural sound this time because it enrages my tinnitus.)

Last night, I was able to start some vibes up of what I would say were average vibrations (not like the powerful ones I mentioned above.)

During these energy moments, I tried to envision myself elsewhere, the theater room, then a favorite beach. I tried the rope method, etc. Nothing. I just lay there buzzing.

I think my point is, in every case of building to OBE, I'm afraid to try and move any part of my body to test anything, like astral limbs, because then I will lose the vibrations IF what I move is my physical limbs, etc.

My question then is, how do you experienced guys reconcile the difference between physical and non physical such that you know you can move, "roll out" or open your "astral eyes" or whatever, without destroying the meditative state the physical body is in, if you are wrong about what is what? Does that makes sense?

I can't seem to differentiate it and it's frustrating.

Thanks for any thoughts on this. I imagine the answers are here on the forum somewhere, but I don't know what the specific terms would be to search exactly what I'm asking.

Thanks for any advice or links to this info!
Hi All,

I wanted to sign up here and share my wife and I's story. I imagine many of us would like more solid proof of some of the experiences we have, that they are tangible and real or not just in our heads. I don't have that sort of story for being fully OBE but I do have it for the energetic pre-vibrations build up.

Around the turn of the century, my wife and particularly me, had been looking into all sorts of paranormal stuff including OBEs. I had started my waking up process after 9-11. I personally had been trying nearly every night to go OBE using Hemi-Sync.

As an aside to my main story, I did have one night I woke up in the early am while using Hemi-Sync Immersion, still playing in my headphones as I awoke.

At that point, I had many of the classic signs of OBE, drums, chimes, pops, then these incredible, powerful, energy "hoops" seemed to be going up and down my body at super fast speeds. I knew what was happening and tried to go with it as my heart seemed like it was going to explode out of my chest. But, I was too excited and lost it. Boy was I disappointed.

I digress...

So, my wife seems to be more of a reluctant natural for OBEs. She's scared of them and does not want it to happen. In her distant past, she had one in her family room as a child and floated above her body and her family in the living room.

Anyway, back in our exploring the supernatural days, one night I came to bed late. Our master bedroom was dark and my wife was moaning aloud strangely. I'm like, what the hell? I thought perhaps she was having a nightmare or something.

I didn't say anything or try to wake her. I just popped into bed wondering what she was going through. As I sat on the bed, to my great surprise, I could feel it vibrating, the entire thing. It was like the bed was attached to a giant men's electric shaver, that was sort of the frequency I can compare it to.

My wife continued to moan but not say any words. I was totally creeped out at this point, but nevertheless, I laid down on the bed with my head on the pillow. Well, my soft fluffy pillow was ALSO vibrating at this high frequency! I could feel it right into the bones of my cheek. You tell me, how does a pillow vibrate? Lol.

My wife moaned eerily for a while longer and then started to come out of it. Turns out, she'd just had the 2nd OBE ever in her life. She said she was in a state of complete, frozen, sleep paralysis. She could not move at all and was terrified. She had heard me come in and in her mind she was crying out to me to help her. I told her, what she was saying only came out as weird moaning.

She told me she'd rolled out of her body and was looking around the bedroom. There was stuff in the room that was not really there in real life. And, she saw some sort of scary pig like creature scurry across the ceiling while she was out.

So, that's the story. My wife had her second ever OBE in her thirty plus years of life at the time and I was a direct witness to the vibrations of her energy moving the entire bed in impossible ways. This verified to us, that the "super natural" energy of the OBE is powerful and real. There is nothing else scientifically it could have been without any attached vibrating mechanism.

At the time I was trying to prove OBE's were real to myself and my wife had placed unknown number sequences up high in the house for me to verify if I ever went OBE. Never did quite make it, but at least we had that mutual experience. I thought some of you might appreciate the story.

I have some other interesting stories. I may share them at some point.