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Never had that, that I can recall.  Closest thing I can think of is when it's dark in a dream when I'm not lucid, and I wonder, "why is it dark?", and about that time, somebody turns a light on or I see the Moon through a window or something.

Sometimes I feel like no matter what we're experiencing outside of our bodies, we're all in the dark on some level.  If other intelligences were interfering with us, or any number of different things were affecting us, what are the chances that we'd actually know what was going on?

I remember after having deeply spiritual experiences, I would excitedly try to relate them to my friends and realize that words were just necessary evils.  Necessary because we haven't learned to communicate without them, and evil because they never due proper justice to the depth of experience I can have within myself, and so whatever I say just sounds wrong and nothing like the actual experience.

If we could (re)learn telepathy, it would be like the invention of the printing press all over again, or like the invention of the Internet all over again.  A massive advancement in communication. 

A little beside the topic but scientists say that an octopus can communicate by relating entire memories in some way.  I don't know how that would work, but the story goes  that during WW2, once one octopus saw one of its buddies get chopped up in the propeller blade of a submarine, word must have traveled quickly because the curiosity of the animals diminished even when the submarines traveled to new locations for the first time.

This website is interesting. "[T]he octopus wears its language like a kind of second skin;  it appears to be and becomes what it seeks to mean."  http://fusionanomaly.net/octopi.html

A blessing to everyone. I hope that no one minds that I resurrect this topic again.  It was first posted in 2008, and the second post on this thread was in 2011, about three years later.  It's now about three years since the third post, also in 2011, so I would only be following a tradition already established. 

Pauli refers to this text as "The I AM," and as being deep, and similar in content to Tibetan traditions and revelations such as might come from an astral projection.  I've done searches online but though Pauli refers to this post by a proper name, it seems to just be something that an anonymous guest here posted as original material, and so is a unique treasure for these forums.

The lack of punctuation and proper grammar make it that much more attractive to me.  This isn't an academic and studied piece of philosophical literature.  This is a raw post straight from the soul of someone who had either just had a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, or else may have been coming down off of some powerful entheogen;  I don't know really the background on what inspired this.  Either way, the power of what is being expressed in the post is so deep that I can feel it every time that I read it, and I've read it many times by now.  It strikes me as both empowering and sobering at the same time.


The text is obviously not meant to be taken literally, but delivers its message on a more symbolic and intuitive, maybe even subconscious level.  Despite the circumstances and manner in which this message has been delivered, something about it rings true on a deep enough level to cause serious reflection on a level that many ancient texts don't reach within me.  As far as it being similar to Tibetan texts, there are parallels in the post to many different traditions.  There are some pretty clear parallels to the genesis of creation as presented in various early Christian Gnostic texts, as well as parallels to Taoism, Hinduism and Buddhism.

A commentary on this post was made on the ATS forums that goes into these parallels in more detail: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread535983/pg1

There was also a thread opened about this post on a Norwegian-speaking forum: http://www.paranormal.no/forum/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=118&p=435770


Out of all the posts I've read on these forums, this one has by far caused me the most reflection.  I still can't tell if its message is ultimately empowering, depressing, or strikes more towards the center of creation, right in the middle ground between the universal dualities.  Anyway this is a small treasure for the forums and I think deserves another thought every now and then.

If you dug into science first you would still have problems.  They're unavoidable.


Check this out, it was a post someone made here a few years ago that blew my mind, and you might like it:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_chat/i_am-t28255.0.html



It's also posted here with some commentary about how it relates to various world philosophies and spiritual traditions:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread535983/pg1

I enjoy learning foreign idioms.  I don't know many of them from German, but some of them from French and even a couple I've heard in Russian were so vivid that I start using them in English.

Like when you finally feel relieved of something being over, you breathe with a full chest.  That's a beautiful Russian idiom that we don't have in English.... yet.

And when someone's throat is congested we say they have a "frog in their throat," which doesn't make as much sense to me as the French version of a "cat in your throat."  So if anything your German sayings will just enrich our language.


Anyway welcome to the forum and I hope you enjoy. 

I agree completely.  Words are a powerful form of magic, because they create lots of things, just like you say.  They can make people frightened or sad or happy for no particularly good reason at all.

I think all of this confusion coming from words is also a big reason why ancient hieroglyphic writing is superior to what we use now.  With hieroglyphic symbols (like eyes representing the idea of seeing or perceiving,  and feet representing movement or travel) it's easier to remember that you're just looking at a written representation of something else, and also it's easier to see multiple layers of meaning and metaphor in the writing itself.

If something doesn't exist when a consciousness doesn't perceive it, then how can it exist when I perceive it again?  Tom Campbell alludes it to the game World of Warcraft containing memory.

Also it may be related to the fact that time doesn't exist as we think it does.

Physicists now are talking about when you pass the speed of light, you go from the space-time realm into what they're calling the time-space realm, where instead of being able to look around and see things arranged spatially, you could look around and see things arranged temporally, as in you could see different times simultaneously.  (This is something that many people who have near death experiences or experience other kinds of altered states report.)  So from one perspective all times exist simultaneously and we only catch glimpses of events because we're on this side of the light-speed barrier.  Dr. William Tiller is one of the scientists pioneering this area of theoretical physics if you want to look up some of his books, which are really thought-provoking.

Memory is an aspect of consciousness.

That too.  It may be unconscious to the individual until it's consciously remembered, but it's still "there," somewhere, in the non-local areas I suppose. 

So wouldn't that mean the Source is a spirit?
If not, can anything without a spirit have consciousness?

I think it would be more to the point to say that the source is pure consciousness.  Consciousness learns to take on many shapes and forms and intentionally forget what it is and what it can do, and play pretend roles with itself in many different ways.

If the source wants to "create" a universe, what does it have to create it out of?  Only itself.  If the source was the first thing in existence, and everything else came from it, then everything has to be made of the source material.  So everything you see is part of the source, including consciousness.  So the source MUST have consciousness too, or else consciousness wouldn't have been able to come from the source of all things.

I'm honestly NOT a big fan of Bashar... not that that changes anything at all.  Some of the information he shares is positive and beneficial, so honestly, while I think he's faking it... it doesn't matter, because the source isn't what's important.  What's important is whether the information you receive from where ever is beneficial to you.

Right, and a lot of what he's said really has stuck with me.  I've noticed before that if you took out the alien aspect of the Bashar videos, this guy would just be a really, really good therapist. But then again the whole ET aspect of it is what makes it so intriguing to people to allow them to consider the information in the first place.  If it was just a guy on YouTube making general counseling and self-empowering videos in a normal voice it wouldn't be as interesting.

I go back and re-read old spiritual / projection books... listen to the same lectures again and again... and I hear it all in a completely different way now.

I know what you mean.  Even things I read and understand, it takes time to integrate and implement a lot of these things.  I'm in a situation now where I know I need to let go of a few clinging worries and fears and have more trust, but it's a little like jumping into cold water, and last time I was in cold water I waded in slowly until it was about up to my waist and then unspeakable discomfort ensued.  Maybe that's not the best metaphor,  it's not quite that bad...

I see examples all the time of people creating their own reality just by the way they look at what's going on around them. Sometimes these are people who see things negatively and live with lots of anxiety and worry.  And the funny thing is that when I try to point this out, to encourage them to see things in a different way, I may as well be trying to push a cow out of quicksand, their way of seeing things has so far engrained itself.  But I can at least take this as an example and warning to myself of how I can sabotage myself by not keeping a blank, clean slate of a mind, or at least to try to look towards the positive and empowering things that are out there.

Thanks for the response.

I wasn't quite 15 years old when I started posting here, and now I'm closer to 27 and I think I'm beginning to sense a real generational change.  When I first started posting here it seemed like a mostly older crowd.  Robert Bruce was pushing 50, Frank was an older guy, most people posting seemed like they were at least in their 30s and there were a lot of world travelers and a lot of Europeans.  Now I get the feeling like most active members are younger, have probably grown up with the Internet, and there really seems to be a little more peace and openness towards subjects that used to draw more controversy, even when there are still differences of opinion.  I may be mistaken but I think even Frank used to deride people who talked about extraterrestrial life.  If Adrian still reads the forums regularly it'd be interesting to see if he's noticed anything like this.

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I think it is important to point out that hot and cold are not contradictions though, or even opposites. They are just heat and less heat.

Or you could say, they are just cold and less cold.

The idea is that there is a spectrum, one end being what we call "most hot" or "most not-cold" and the other being "most cold" or "most not-hot."  Then you can even have the scientific ideas of absolute zero, and whatever its equivalent is on the not-cold end of the spectrum.  The words given don't matter, it's the geometrical idea of a spectrum of variables between two perceived directions or poles.

So you still have a spectrum, and you compare and contrast one temperature from another with words such as "hot" and "cold" or even "heat" and "less heat."  So no, they are not contradictions, you are right, and they are not even opposites.  I agree completely.  BUT people often think they are!  So that was my point, that things which people often think of as opposites or contradictory and really part of a single system, and couldn't logically exist without the other, because either term implies a spectrum.

Contradictions usually exist in logic space. A good contradiction would be:

"3 =\= 3"

How could that possibly ever be?

You might be familiar with Godel's theorem.  It's not exactly the same as "3 doesn't equal 3," but it's close.  It basically produces a theorem by all the proper rules of calculus which states "this (well-formed) theorem is not a theorem."  It's the equivalent of when you read:

The statement immediately below is true.
The statement immediately above is false.

Which one is correct?  It's a real problem for logic as humans have come to understand the word, but calculus seems like a very intuitively correct system and even it produces the equivalent of this problem, that Godel discovered in the 1930's.

Personally I think the basic problem is that the human conception of logic itself is not complete.  The Greeks are famous for introducing logic as a tool to western culture, but they didn't always make the best use of it, and came to some incorrect conclusions.  Logic in the scientific era is also a fairly recent innovation and I think our ideas for how to define its rules will change over time, no matter how intuitive the rules seem to us now.  Intuition and logic have always created a kind of friction between themselves in this way.  

I do not think the rock example where God changes worlds to lift the rock beats the original problem though. You see that if God had to create another space-time in order to lift the rock, which he could not do in the original space-time, that means he was not omnipotent, because he lacked the ability to lift the rock in the first space time.

I was thinking more along the lines of, he simply chose not to.  The only difference between the universe where it was lifted, and the one where it wasn't lifted, was what God had chosen to do or not to do.  In this way two different scenarios could be explored, and no laws of physics had to be violated, only this ephemeral thing known as "free will."  


If we take God out of this discussion, in this case, we could just see this as a way for the universe or consciousness to explore all possible scenarios (if consciousness and its exploration is seen as the driving motor of all of creation, and I tend to think this way).  Then in this case not only would it be possible to create two universes where different conscious decisions are played out, but this would be the fundamental reason for having multiple universes in the first place.

Ultimately all things have come from and are still a part of 1 thing.  So considering that, you could just as well say that you're a part of the universe's imagination,  your own imagination is part of the universe's imagination, and that all of your guides are also part of the universe's imagination.  Consciousness creates all of these things, whether the idea starts with you or from elsewhere, if it manifests then it happens and it exists.

These physical bodies merely provide constraints through which we function within this particular reality frame.
These physical chemicals alter those constraints slightly to make perceiving "other" a little easier. 

That's my excuse at least.  LoL 

I've been trying to put together a little notebook on the computer that I can print out and bind into a physical book, of all kinds of notes from different spiritual traditions that I'm otherwise likely to forget.  One of the more interesting things I came across from Dale Pendell's books is the idea of the "poison path," and everything is poison, "the dose makes the poison."  People have actually died from drinking too much water at once, and also being in a 100% oxygen environment is deadly, so water, oxygen and even sunlight can all kill you if you take too much of them.

Though even those three basic things can kill us, people eat McDonalds hamburgers, drink sodas, and these things are not only far worse for the body but also bad for your mind and the way consciousness is channeled into your body.  So by comparison many psychedelics are not physically toxic and can do great things for the way your consciousness interfaces with your body.  And if you're like me then you also believe that lots of consciousness in the body is key to being healthy in the first place, not the other way around. 

The "trick" of course is to be responsible and to exercise a certain amount of moderation in all things.  Having said that, there are many substances I would never try, like jimson weed, or any of several infamous, non-psychedelic things that people sometimes have difficulties with.  But that's just my choice and my belief system


I love how things that Bashar has said in videos can be dropped here without people becoming incredulous and offended.  We may already have ET views being brought into our discussions and the exopolitics of it is perfectly fine.  XD

When I was a little more restless I was bored to death by Eckhart Tolle, but I like the guy well enough now.  I read one of his books too and it was actually really good.

I haven't read much of the Seth Material, but I've been meaning to start the Law of One stuff, and I'm a big fan of Bashar as well.

I was just thinking a minute ago while browsing new posts, "Why is this forum so peaceful and cooperative?  Have the trolls not found it yet?"  

Things were rowdier in the past here (people experimenting with channeling information through pendulum and then telepathically and posting answers, and arguing about whether it was from aliens or this or that, and the occasional religious argument) but still I don't remember anyone cussing at other people or anything like that ever happening here.  Maybe because to be interested in astral realms you have to have a certain level of discipline and maturity in the first place.  It makes these forums very attractive.

It may be off topic and maybe we can talk over private message or something Xanth, I'm kind of out of the loop.  I know Robert Bruce left this forum a while ago to start another one, and I was still coming fairly regularly when people started asking "Where's Frank?", but I must have missed Adrian disappearing.  It makes no difference since the forum is still in good hands, it's just curious how this forum seems to have changed hands a couple of times but fortunately for humanity it hasn't gone anywhere.  

I've had dreams that were like video games.  They can be fairly exciting but I like lucid dreams better.    When I'm lucid it's already kind of like a video game except there is no limitation by the software whatsoever, so you can do anything, and it's just as real or even MORE real than waking life.  I mean visual details can be more in-depth that in waking reality, things like that.

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    Oje purge
    4 ayahuasca ceremonies
    4 plant baths
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    Mud bath
    All meals & accommodation.
    Jungle Walks
    Walk to Bush Master snake research center

It's recommended that you bring some art supplies with you. Ayahuasca is known to increase creativity!

Cost: $1200 per workshop.

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I'm guessing lucid dreaming counts here.  When I started keeping a dream journal, I had one night where I didn't remember any dreams.  After that I started remembering more and more every night until I finally had a lucid dream  within a month or so.  I tried throwing an object into the horizon but it only went as far as it would in real life.  That's when I realized... woah, my subconscious really does have a lot of influence on me.   

that sounds a bit intense

Everything there is optional.  You can skip some or all of the ceremonies, the mud bath or whatever you don't feel like doing.  But of course I'd be trying to get my $1200 worth.   

I'm just trying to figure out how exactly these messages are taken out of the sounds.  It sounds like static to me, and maybe what could be taken as an EVP every now and then but there's no way I could hear anything in all that.

If you find any good Amazon retreats, pass it along.  

I've been eyeing this one, but it's $1200 for two weeks there.

http://www.elpurguero.com/

It's in Peru.  The shaman is actually an American who lives in the Peruvian Amazon now.  But for 2 weeks you get 4 ayahuasca ceremonies, and an opportunity to try san pedro, and they offer you a mud bath and provide your food and shelter and all that.

The YouTube channel "London Real" has about a 2 hour interview up with a guy who went to this retreat, and he explains what all happened there in lots of detail.  

I can't wait to try some ayahuasca myself.

OP, you said DMT so I'm guessing that you didn't travel to the Amazon. 

Mushrooms are another powerful teacher.

Has anybody here used one of these ghost boxes to do anything like this before?

Yes.  XD

I not only visualize myself as a healthy person, maybe more importantly I can FEEL it. 

My dad also taught me when I was young, that if something hurts, "work the pain out of it."  Very counter-intuitive but it's always worked for me.  If anything ever hurts on me I work the pain, stretching it or pushing it until the pain is manageable.  And then I feel like superman.   

(I know superman never really has to do that -- but shhh!!! that's not the point!!)

Has anyone had any experience eliminating a widely accepted idea (such as pain, illness, etc...) by not accepting it and allowing it to become part of your consciousness?

Kind of.  I got rid of depression this way, except I had to do the opposite:  accept it.  Sometimes resisting something strongly is only another way of feeding it more energy to allow it to continue to exist.


It's like if you have a lucid dream, and you see something scary so you turn and run from it.  By turning and running you're giving power to the scary thing and playing out the whole scary scenario.  But if you just calmly accept it, and look at it and study it carefully, the scary thing will usually turn into something ridiculous and laughable.  Because you control yourself, you control the object of your consciousness.


I used to have to stand at attention regularly without being allowed to move, even to scratch myself while in a very itchy uniform.  Because of this I learned to make the itching sensation feel very pleasurable.  Now when I itch, lots of times I still don't scratch it because it feels pretty good.


I've never had to deal with particularly bad pain that I can remember.  I'm sure if I thought about it I could think of times when I've been in lots of pain but I don't particularly even want to.  I don't feel pain now so why feel it in the past?  XD