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Whoa, Whoa, whoa, Spectral and MacArthur, take it easy. I know your story MacArthur, you sent it to me before you disappeared, and I have spoken to Spectral "a few times". You guys might end up being friends and don't know it.

MacArthur, Spectral's guide Kereen is "unusual" and so is Spectral. Do I agree with Kereen all the time, no, and Spectral will tell you that. But my trust issue isn't as severe with her as with certain others. And vagueness is a problem I have with Mayatnik.

Read the WHOLE thread MacArthur...and Spectral don't use Chaos Math on MacArthur (he isn't being vague MacArthur, he's doing CM, trying to figure you out too), just be straight forward for goodness sake [] You may really like him a lot and I think you two will discover you have a lot in common.

All that link did was give information on how to create a thought form. That wasn't my question and my skeptic alarm is still blasting.

Can you be more specific?

[nothing to feel out]

MacArthur, I have two problems with the channelings presented here. One is exactly what you have just pointed out in your post. The other is the concept that a guide can and will do anything to you (no boundaries whatsoever) to teach you a lesson, including lying. If that's the case then how do you tell the difference between good and evil. Lessons and learning are not more valuable than people, might as well say experimenting on the Jews in the camps was OK because valuable info was obtained...it's the same thing. Personal value, value of other, and value of creation are the dilineations we use to learn lessons and tell good from evil. Without them there is no way to tell the difference among them, nothing to feel out, they all become the same sensation...one meaningless, all inclusive boundary with no value.  

A direct quote from Robert Bruce's book, Practical Psychic Self Defense:
Avoid the Love and Light Approach:

Contrary to the advice of many modern spiritual teachers, turning the other cheek, refusing to fight back, and sending loving thoughts to an attacking or possessing neg is not productive and borders on the ridiculous. It is an ineffective approach when dealing with attacking or possessing negs.

A channeled spirit once told me that I come under so many intense psychic attacks because I resist. It said my resistance was an open challenge and this, in itself, attracts and causes psychic attacks. I was told to stop resisting and love my enemy, and that the attacks would stop if I ceased my fiery resistance. I tried this once (I'll try just about anything once) and it almost got me killed. I suffered a lot more damage than I would have, had I countered the attack in my usual way. Submitting to an attack and sending loving thoughts, if anything, empowers attacking Negs.

...Negs thrive on love and light approach and use it to further their ends. They use these gentle spiritual beliefs against people. Negs play on these and often pretend to be misguided lost spirits, projecting seemingly harmless illusory forms to the perceptions of sensitives. But in truth they are just furthering their controls. Negs are masters of lies, trickery, and deception. A troublesome spirit, no matter what it pretends to be, should never be trusted further than one can throw it. Negs should never be given the benefit of the doubt.

pages 291-292 of Practical Psychic Self Defense.

And I don't recall Robert Bruce using Fluffy Bunny approach when he was demonically possessed and almost died out in the Australian Bush (pages 135 -142)

How long have you had experience and who else have you interacted with? How vast is your experience? I keep hearing this stuff and I'm kind of just wondering.

The quote below came from here:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10513

quote:The planet is a tad more populated than it was several hundred years ago, people are healthier and living longer, having more children...and more and more people are examining the other worldly. Not just in taking astral trips but in magical practices.

It's like people wondering why all these new diseases like Ebola are cropping up...well, you're cutting down forests and going into places we haven't been on a large scale before.

With new found abilities and powers, people fall into the delusion that power can be used to solve their problems, slight the perceived wrongs done to them, or get what they want...short term solutions with long term consequences, completely self focused and isolationist. You have idiots combining selfishness with power, using it on other people who have done nothing more than be in the wrong place at the wrong time; and trust me when I say it will attract unwanted attention for all involved, innocent or not...like blood in water attracting sharks into a feeding frenzy.

quote:In order to possess, even slightly, the neg (demon, whatever) needs to scare the crap out of you.

And it worked on me, they needed something to frighten the hell out me to get in; finding out I was a grey abductee did it...took me 6 years to reclaim lost ground and keep them out successfully.

Fat_Turkey, how many times have you been attacked? As a person who has been attacked and nearly killed/died, I'll say this. Evil does the same stupid things over and over again, they don't like change and don't evolve. Well, you can only have your way so long, and you can only run away so long. When evil runs out of places to walk away from, and something is about to change making it far more difficult, virtually impossible for them to continue with their behavior, what do you think they are going to do?

quote:Firtst of all there is no such place as hell. Not a christian hell,jewish ,Norse hell or a hell state. It is only in the spirit world if you create it for yourself,or if you feel like you deserve to got to hell then you will create it once you are in the spirit world.

What do you think I was talking about? And if you attract something unpleasant because of your attitude, don't think you're going to attract something unpleasant...and haven't you participated in that creation.

quote:Secondly. I have had the spirit of Adolf Hitler visit me five times while I have been in deep trance. I saw no indication whatsoever he was being tormented by anything or anyone. Actually he looked as he did while his spirit was in a physical body. It's not a spirit I wanted to visit me. He just appeared.

You'll please forgive me as my skeptic alarm automatically goes off when I hear the words "deep trance." How did you know it was really Adolf Hitler and not a thought form?

quote:It takes one demon to possess many, contrary to the Bible's reverse idea that it takes many demons to possess one person.

Where exactly in the Bible does it say that, can you please quote it so I can read it and make a mental note?

The planet is a tad more populated than it was several hundred years ago, people are healthier and living longer, having more children...and more and more people are examining the other worldly. Not just in taking astral trips but in magical practices.

It's like people wondering why all these new diseases like Ebola are cropping up...well, you're cutting down forests and going into places we haven't been on a large scale before.

With new found abilities and powers, people fall into the delusion that power can be used to solve their problems, slight the perceived wrongs done to them, or get what they want...short term solutions with long term consequences, completely self focused and isolationist. You have idiots combining selfishness with power, using it on other people who have done nothing more than be in the wrong place at the wrong time; and trust me when I say it will attract unwanted attention for all involved, innocent or not...like blood in water attracting sharks into a feeding frenzy.  

quote:In order to possess, even slightly, the neg (demon, whatever) needs to scare the crap out of you.

And it worked on me, they needed something to frighten the hell out me to get in; finding out I was a grey abductee did it...took me 6 years to reclaim lost ground and keep them out successfully.

Fat_Turkey, how many times have you been attacked? As a person who has been attacked and nearly killed/died, I'll say this. Evil does the same stupid things over and over again, they don't like change and don't evolve. Well, you can only have your way so long, and you can only run away so long. When evil runs out of places to walk away from, and something is about to change making it far more difficult, virtually impossible for them to continue with their behavior, what do you think they are going to do?

No conspiracy theory there, if you're worried,...and if you want I'll ask someone to check and make sure this post wasn't neg motivated or influenced in some way, but I'm really doubting it.

quote:I believe one can make the universe listen, and I certainly believe some individuals may be better in this than others.

Yes, may I also point out that it is possible for the universe to force us to listen when we don't.

The creation we exist in functions on cooperation and recognition of other. When we fail in that recognition of other, we can expect consequences in some form to eventually head our way...not because someone is necessarily keeping tab on everything we do but because we are all connected and this is a cause and effect universe. Consequences mean something and are meant to be learned from.

That's a bigger question than you know...

In abduction literature, the greys, pleiadians and other ET channeled people's have often referred to the Creator as "The One." It is common for many of the ET groups to roughly translate the names of their races as being "One people."

However, I've also heard of cases of negs referring to themselves as the One, probably either impersonating God, implying they are stronger than God, or equal to God.

Azrael, huh? I take it you're a batman fan too?

Angelfire,

I'm gonna be honest...the thing that I learned some years ago when the attacks were at it's worst was that evil exist...period. The point is, the existence of evil is one more compromise we have to make when we choose to incarnate here on earth. If we're attacked and the duration and intesity of such attacks, we have no control over that. What we have control over is how we choose to deal with it. It's a lesson for everybody, the person under attack and the ones on the sideline watching. And the lesson won't be learned overnight, you could be working on figuring out one thing over the course of months. A very depressing thought, but a reality we can and must all deal with.

All attacks have to be treated within their own individual cases. Some cases like Findtruths are fixable with a little growth, and that's great. Metal's will end eventually. I may always be under attack, and that is something I am prepared to accept. I can accept it and compromise with it now because my will is strong enough to keep the cretins out of me. They can still screw around with some of my senses, and that is something else I have to deal with. But I will somehow deal with it and get through it and life will go on. But like I said before, I didn't start getting better until someone (several people actuallY) had enough knowledge on how to navigate certain boundaries and teach it to me...and now my will is strong enough I can keep them from getting in. You can't do this alone. We all need each other.

Sam, I agree with you, to a point, but I think you only listed as far as the point in you post.

As people, we learn, and because boundaries always start off as "all inclusive" we unfortunately find new boundaries my accidentally crossing over another person's unintentionally. Problem is the responsiblity thing. Yes we may only know certain things until after the fact, but once we know better we have to take responsibility and try to do better.

The entities that gave me grief (and still try to, even though they don't get in), would use "the gain sympathy to get in" trick that Robert described. It is not the job of the person under attack to change the incoming neg, it is the job of the neg to do it. The person being attacked is in no position to help an incoming neg, they're trying to keep themselves alive. I would place the responsiblity on the guide and individuals who are healers and not under severe attack.

quote:It seems like I dont trust this source, yet it has never failed me.

No, hasn't failed you, looks like it failed just about everyone else, a kid got tripped, someone lost their wallet, another a gold chain, some chick might get raped...so how did you get that car.

God created all of us, not just you, and the behaviors and values this "source" seems to emphasize would be destructive to the whole of creation.

Will can help, but will is dependent on your personal boundary structure,...something I knew before all this happened to me but couldn't put my finger on it after I was attacked.

What enables your will to exist is self confidence from experience and the knowledge of why boundaries dilineate the way they do. If a person is just starting out on a new lesson, and the boundaries aren't in place, the will isn't going to be there or be strong enough to fight back (you can't ask people to be strong for the hell of it, sucks up more energy you could be using to fight against a neg).

From what I've seen here, people on the cusp of a new lesson or ruined to the point of rebuilding aren't given the support they need to learn those lessons. I sure as hell didn't start growing or getting better until I got support. A person can't be forced into a situation where all they have to compromise with is themselves, where they are feeding off of themselves and being attacked by a neg. You have the room to walk away to think, feel, prioritize, and when you don't, you don't grow, you stagnate and die.  

Findtruth, you did the right thing, but keep in mind that not all attacks are like yours.

I agree with Mick, the main problem I have been seeing throughout this whole thing is that neg attacks are ascribed a narrow definition and limited viewpoint. The fear and hate thing ahs been beaten to death and even Robert Bruce has described many a situation where a neg can come after you through someone elses work (enslaving the neg),...negs are very old and some very powerful with high pain threshholds and they do hold long grudges. Robert has demonstrated accounts of negs attacking a family line generation after generation, just because of a grudge. Back when I still had problems keeping these things out of me, I'd drink pure Holy Water and feel the squirming inside my chest and hear, "It burns, it burns, but we don't care, we hate you that much."

Not all negs are earthbound entities that are lost and confused, in fact Robert has even stated in his book, they are a small percentage. There has got to be more imagination and creativity and understanding in what a neg is and how it operates.

How can the universe contradict itself, assuming I am understanding your thinking correctly?

Because two people can have different points of view that have to be respected at the "same time" by making compromises and value/priority organizations.

One does not always have to fall by the wayside for the other to exist, so two opposing, conflicting situations can exist simultaneously at once. Like I said, consequences aren't always delivered on the spot, but they do catch up eventually.

How are you holding up, Sare?

No, it's not love, and I'm not saying that as a goody good, and I am saying that as a person who's life has been ruined (and nearly killed) by someone else's remote influencing (and with all due respect), I'm highly doubting that you were talking to God.

Love is about Give and receive, not the give and take model most people think of it as. Do we all have access to the power you have, and if we do, would you like it if I made you trip deliberately, received money from your wallet, took your gold chain (I know you didn't keep the wallet or gold chain, but do you see my point). If we all have access to it, and we pursue it in the manner and reasons you are, what would we become? A planet of leeches, taking what we want regardless of the consequences? And what do you do when on the receiving end of the taking, retaliate? A world of endless taking and retaliation?

There are more important things in life than power. If you get a girlfriend in the manner you are describing, you'll have to have her feel your influence and nothing else. You'll have to destroy who and what is already there, and this is the voice of experience. You won't have a girlfriend, you'll have a child completely dependent on your every thought and decision, because the original person will be gone.

And last I heard, Hitler was in Hell state for everything he had done. Bliss is not what I describe his current experience as, although the Creator has not forgotten about him either.

Who the hell are you really talking to,...and there is nothing you have described so far that a 6D neg or archdemon couldn't do. Good and evil isn't separated by the ability to astral project or channel or have special powers it is separated by the content of the heart and capacity to see others as a part of creation.

Consequences aren't always immediately punished, the reason for this is because we have free will and we are supposed to make an effort to feel our situations out, weigh values and make priorities and do likewise when interacting with others. It's our responsibility, and just because you think you are getting away with it now does not there will be no payment later. It's not God's job to take responsiblity for you, it's yours.

Metal,

You're right, and although I still get attacked, they aren't getting in. My will is keeping them out.

But it also takes a lot to develop that will (but it can be done, thank God).

quote:I think she is afraid of me, because I explained to her that I controlled her.

She seems depressed.

OK, that doesn't sound good.

You sound sorry, and it doesn't sound like you wanted to cause harm...

It sounds like you have a gift for Remote Influencing, which you need to be careful about, especially when dealing with other people's emotions. I've said this a million times, the same way we have physical senses that help us determine reality (whether something is hot, cold, soft, sharp, etc) we have emotions which also assist in helping us determine reality. When Someone floods us with emotions without our knowledge, and we think they're ours, that is a very damaging disorienting experience. It's like someone getting control over our sense of physical feeling and producing sensations of cold when our hand is resting on a radiator. It can produce a devastating effect, alter our perceptions of reality and our perceptions of self.

Having the power to do something is not the same as having the right to do it.

blueflame, you sound like a nice guy, and I seriously doubt you intended to cause any harm. We're entering a new arena with emerging abilities and sometimes the only way to learn is explore and fall down. But if you really want to impress someone, respect their free will, please don't make any more attempts to insert or impress something on a person without their permission. She probably still has the sense but now is told, it wasn't hers. She's probably very confused and distressed. I'd ask forgiveness and pray for her.

And if you would really like to get to know a girl, ask.

I concur with Mick

I've seen my attackers use white light and Crim has reported the same.

Mick, thinking from a chemistry point of view I think some positive beings give off a whitish appearance because light is white, and bein positive you become a channel for that energy, no blocks. I think many negs take on a blackish hue because they are energy (light) eaters, all light absorbed, none passing through, they appear black (black, dark, absence of light).

quote:Couldn't find the post, but I guess it really doesn't matter. I speak to Tayesin on Messenger as well, guess I will just flat out ask him what the heck is going on.

Tayesin comes on MSN at either 5 or 6:00AM US EST (sometimes earlier) or 9 or 10:00PM US EST.

quote:Once again another thing I said pulled out of context...*sigh* I stand by what I said..a shark eating my leg off..doesn't really equate to what is being said here..

Yes it does...it is the perfect analogy for what is happening.

quote:The ritual is called LBRP, the lesser banishing ritual of the pentagram. I live at home if i do it he probely think I would be insane.

Damn, I hate that. The, "I have to get rid of this neg but need to be careful I don't bite the hand (parents) that could potentially sign my commitment papers" problem.

Well in that case, burning oil, incense, dried herbs are probably out of the question. Can you get Holy Water, or belong to a religious faith that blesses water. If you can, I would try #'s 2 & 3. Do you believe in St Michael the ArchAngel? I'd also give the laity exorcism prayer a try.

With all else, I would still try Robert's sacred symbol technique minus the pentagram in the middle of your forehead,...for obvious reasons.

If they don't work, please don't give up, I'm sure there is something else that can be tried []

quote:Hum... which help am I supposed to have done...?

You thought all that was directed at you Nagual? No, sorry you're not the center of my universe and I don't feel like repeating myself, go play someplace.

quote:have no idea what ya'll are experiencing,and at this point does it really matter? Nothing I say will be right..  you keep throwing up those names like some kind of sword. Why hasn't Tayesin jumped on the band wagon, why isn't he here defending you, as SD and Enderwiggin are?

Tayesin left the AstralPulse in protest over Mayatnik (see communications forum) and he is currently helping a friend with another forum. I invited him to post at the begining of this thread and he did, I am not calling him back a second time to defend me. He has his own life and helped me when he could, and is still patient with my questions.

quote:You are saying I am causing these things to happen to you, just because I do not take everything you say to be the gospel truth? And if this is the case, then I am about to get pretty ticked, because you have no right, to push some guilt trip on me.

I do not Astral Project, I have been ripped out of my body from time to time by the greys and other not so nice people/entities, something Spectral Dragon can vouch for because he had to retrieve me at on point after I was yanked out on one occasion. I never got the chance to develop my abilities, damn, I had no interest in developing my abilities, I was studying for and became a chemist for Christ sake. I had no interest in the supernatural. The greys started coming in 1993 I started experiencing real time sight and mind splits, I had no terminology for it at the time. The attacks started in 1998, after which I started experiencing telepathy, telempathy, and other forms of ESP, usually initiated by another entity/person (by showing up and me seeing them, and yes, I am in my body when it happens)...I didn't and still have no desire to develop or use any of it.

You don't cause attacks, and you don't help them either. All things have value, but valuable things come into conflict, in which case we have to arrange things in some order of priority according to our needs. People under attack arrange the priorities to get them through the problems and everyday life while dealing with the attacks. Your actions push for a re-arrangement of those priorities which have caused many people to expend energy they don't have, just to fit in or convince you that they are "doing everything you think they should do" to look responsible in your eyes. They don't have to defend their needs to you and they don't have prove they have those needs....you have to respect it. You are an adult not a child being abused, and what your mother did to you, you can do to others. I'll repeat it again here:

quote:Kakkarot, this is more than not believing in what a person is going through...kakkarot, people under attack have been given advice and if it didn't work in their case, they were blamed for it not working. I recommend blessed ritual salt bathes, but even I don't have the ego to believe if it doesn't work in a particular person's case it's because they're negative or not trying. People under attack that I have been speaking to privately have been doing things that do not work or help their situations just to be "accepted by the group." Just so they don't feel alone...but in actuality it's the worst kind of loneliness there is...being surrounded by people and utterly alone. Others were too weak to pretend, they had already compromised too much, so they left, and they really needed help and support...God only knows what happened to them. If a person dies and no one hears the scream did he/she really die? You guys only heard me screaming so you thought I was only talking about myself (it's just past tense rhetoric, I am fine now, really, I'll just keep saying it)?!

Kakkarot, you get the things you have in life because of compromise. You may not feel the effects of the compromise because you live in a "world" where there is cooperation, respect, and compromise between people to lessen the load. The compromise made to get what you want isn't painful or is neglibly so. When a person gets no cooperation or respect, the only person they have to compromise with is themselves (self). You literally have to compromise whole parts of yourself to get what you need to survive. Do you understand what that means? It means you're in a situation where you can't walk away from anything because you have to do everything yourself. That kind of compromise is extremely painful, destructive of self, and frightening...and then they're being attacked on top of it. You don't get better slowly over time because what you're doing is essentially cannabalising yourself.

I didn't start getting seriously better until I got that help, cooperation, and compromise because I didn't have to compromise all of myself anymore to get what I needed. I could use that freer portion for other things, like enjoying life, enjoying people, seeing more of the positive.

Kakkarot, people forced in a position to compromise their self to survive (not even live, survive) can't see the positive because there is nothing positive about being forced to live that way. You walk around making affirmations and see that everything else around you has value except you,...so you continue to say the mantras all the fluffy bunny people want you say, all the while dying slowly and painfully inside...and there is total awareness every waking second of everything inside you which dies...you have to look at to compromise it. Everything a neg wants in a subject they get when people in pain are treated this way.

quote:Uh, I am sorry but that is just plain silly, bad analogy for what this whole topic is about.

No it's not silly, that is exactly what you are asking people to do, whether you intend it or not. Hearing people is not the same as listening.

quote:I have done banishment rituals before and had stones for protection.

When you say banishment rituals, are you talking about the Smudging and the essential oil burning?

Can you be more specific about what you did in terms of banishing (just so we can help you better, I know it's hard to be specific when you're in a situation where you're like, "I'm drowning help me now, PLEASE.")

Were you able to try Robert's sacred symbol technique of have you tried it yet? I know how depressing situations like these are and it's hard to find the energy to get up and do it when you need energy to do other things like, work and eat. I'm not going to judge you if you haven't just want to know if you have or not. And yes, they can and do often come back. That's why things like this can turn into a fight. Do you have a supportive base at all, besides turning to this forum? It's hard to fight when you don't have that support.

Just do the best you can in answering, OK?

Shall I repeat for those who do not know how to read:

quote:Tayesin, Spectral Dragon, Enderwiggin, and one more person on this forum (in this thread) have had encounters and similar experiences with my perp unless you're about to tell us we're all suffering from the same thing.