Aquarius - The Age of evil

[Astr4l]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgtc_Dhnlr0

watch this video and tell me what you think ? I'm not a christian by the way im not taking any sides just watching this video with a open mind

[NoY]

interesting video thanks for sharing  


:NoY:

[Astr4l]

no problems its something i came across searching new age

[HiRes]

I dont trust it ;p
Yes, some of these elites and secret societies are preaching some of the stuff about god being evil.. >.>
BUT I am a new age follower, but I believe in Christianity
I actually have a goal to write a book, re translating the bibles metaphors to make the new age beliefs more valid..
I DO NOT want a one world government.. GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO BE ABOLISHED. We need.. "god" to guide everyone ;p.. Threw massive crystals that interconnect all over the world.

[Karas]

I feel sorry for christains sometimes cause of there lack of Knowledge when it comes to spiritual things. They feel that cause people reject the bible they reject god... But infact alot of spiritual people use the bible and many other religus text to improve themselves and there connection with god better. 
There's 1 god and 1 reailty and every human have a diffent way of connecting to god ither it's in a group or personal but the path is still the same.. I just wish they can understand that god isn't the bible and the word is with god, the only way to know the word if you can be with god.. Hence there saying "repent and turn to god" lol that is what spiritual people already do!

Christains version of john chapt 1:

In the beginning was the Bible, and the Bible was with God, and the Bible was God. John 1:1)

Here's the real version

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1)

The word is with god.... Not the bible.

I found an intresting group which i'm amazed at how they see the bible. Even they know that you gotta meditate and silence the mind to be with god and learn his wisdom: http://www.hallvworthington.com/teacher.html

They call themselves "the Quakers".

Christains are there own worst enemy at times...





   

[Xanth]

Christains are there own worst enemy at times...

We can actually extend that to...

It doesn't matter what you believe, religious or otherwise... "people" are their own worst enemy.

[Karas]

BUT I am a new age follower, but I believe in Christianity
I actually have a goal to write a book, re translating the bibles metaphors to make the new age beliefs more valid..

to many people have done this and the hardcore christains won't listen and say that people are taking things out of context etc... There was a guy who is a christain and he went to extreme and wrote a book all based on Eckhart Tolle's "A New Earth" book saying that Eckart is deceiving people and taking "verses" out of "context" in the bible etc. In this world it's almost impossable to have your own opions without some angry group destroying it and turn it into something evil..

[Xanth]

to many people have done this and the hardcore christains won't listen and say that people are taking things out of context etc... There was a guy who is a christain and he went to extreme and wrote a book all based on Eckhart Tolle's "A New Earth" book saying that Eckart is deceiving people and taking "verses" out of "context" in the bible etc. In this world it's almost impossable to have your own opions without some angry group destroying it and turn it into something evil..

Well, see... if someone was to do that in an "effort" to "convert" people... then you're really no better than any hardcore Christian trying to do the same.

The point here is to just give people the information, don't force it upon them... it's entirely up to them if they choose to read it.  If they do read it, it's then entirely up to them if they want to look deeper into it.  And if they want to look deeper into it, then it's entirely up to them if they want to make that information part of their being. 

We shouldn't be pushing anything on anyone (not that I'm saying you are, I'm just giving general advice).
Remember, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink"... there's so much truth in that. 

[Astr4l]

I'm muslim , in islam you learn all the main religions , you learn about all the prophets . But we dont point what god is . You cant never no what god is god is not a book god is not a person once lived god is god and we wont find out who god is untill we die .. People of the new age movement would be surprised if they actually read the Qur'an. Media makes it looks the oppisite

[Astr4l]

Oh and Spiritually and Religion is a whole different subject I think . Spiritually is something personal connecting with the nature people even your self and Religion is being thankfull and staying on the right track to avoid making poor decisions 

[HiRes]

Well, see... if someone was to do that in an "effort" to "convert" people... then you're really no better than any hardcore Christian trying to do the same.

The point here is to just give people the information, don't force it upon them... it's entirely up to them if they choose to read it.  If they do read it, it's then entirely up to them if they want to look deeper into it.  And if they want to look deeper into it, then it's entirely up to them if they want to make that information part of their being. 

We shouldn't be pushing anything on anyone (not that I'm saying you are, I'm just giving general advice).
Remember, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink"... there's so much truth in that. 

I agree totally!.. My goal, is just to have the information available, in an easy to access manner..


Also, I want to add more than just words from the bible.. I plan on connecting history into the bible, and making it even more valid..
My goal, is to just have the option open to Christians.. That way, they cannot say anything I say is invalid.. AS it is said in the bible
I will connect stuff it talks about in the bible, to things that really happened in the past.. like for instance, it mentions that they came from Egypt.. Well, right before christianity came along, akhenaten came to egypt and tried to get Egypt back to a one god perspective.. He even taught 300 individuals how to become immortal.. those 300 people i believe went out and started creating other religions on the planet that all had one god.. just in a different way.. >.> 2 of these people even gave birth to Jesus they mated interdeminsionally

[CFTraveler]

I dont trust it ;p
Yes, some of these elites and secret societies are preaching some of the stuff about god being evil.. >.>
BUT I am a new age follower, but I believe in Christianity
I actually have a goal to write a book, re translating the bibles metaphors to make the new age beliefs more valid..
I DO NOT want a one world government.. GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO BE ABOLISHED. We need.. "god" to guide everyone ;p.. Threw massive crystals that interconnect all over the world.

I tried to stay out of this topic because there were many inaccuracies in it, but this is the worst.  The idea of 'God' being evil believed by New Agers is not a fact, it's a misinterpretation of ideas they inherited from Gnostic teachings.  This is because of what was in the Bible or in Apocryphal texts.

In the gnostic tradition (and in apocryphal gospels that at one time or another were part of christian tradition) there are two creation stories, a first creation in which the Male and Female manifestation of God create a 'Physical' representation of God which is flawed, and this flawed pseudo god is who creates paradise.  Then God realizes this is not right, destroys the earth, and creates it again, the second time in seven days.  Adam is present in the first creation and Eve is given to him in the second creation.
This is the Gnostic interpretation of Genesis, the Book of Enoch and Exodus, which gives you more information and makes more sense from a storytelling point of view- later on the book of Enoch was taken out and we have two creation stories that are different and there are people and things in the middle that don't make sense- because part of the story was taken out.
Now, the new age religion doesn't have any set belief about creation, the belief is in the ascended masters, etc.  but many of the old occultists read the gnostic texts and interpreted the above as the creator (being different than god) being flawed and the snake (which was a seraph and had nothing to do with lucifer) helping them get intelligence or knowledge.
The interpretation of the group that put this out is either ignorant of their own history or is bending some facts (not all, some occultists didn't understand what they were reading and came to the same conclusions/beliefs) and misunderstanding others.
Which is too bad, the history is too interesting.

[AndrewTheSinger]

God did not destroy the earth, the archons did, with the flood and the conflagration, out of envy, because of the race that came down. That is, the true God only sent the spirits to this place to save the souls of the worthy ones, destroying the rule of the gods of chaos.

[CFTraveler]

God did not destroy the earth, the archons did, with the flood and the conflagration, out of envy, because of the race that came down. That is, the true God only sent the spirits to this place to save the souls of the worthy ones, destroying the rule of the gods of chaos.

I think you're missing the point of my post.
It's not about the details, it's about the logic and misunderstanding of what may have been a symbolic creation myth that was inherited from previous cultures, butchered up, rewritten, and then taken literally by people, and resulting in all kinds of interesting ideas that may or may not have something to do with what actually happened.

[AndrewTheSinger]

I guess I still don't get it then, because there was not a single version from the beginning. They all had conflicting ideas, many different 'myths' in regards to the origin of good and evil, the nature of the universe and how it all began.

The version I spoke of is not a detailed explanation, but the one that stands out the most for its validity.

[CFTraveler]

That is exactly what I am saying- the Gnostic gospels' origins can be seen many years previously in older myths, and we have no way to know which one is 'more' accurate- if at all.  So for someone to come on later and interpret (and there's nothing wrong with that, almost all spiritual and religious groups do that) according to what makes sense to them is ok, but to use these conclusions and use them to discredit others (which is what the group in the OP did, IMO) is another thing.  And when you have religious groups condemning practices others have or believe in, well, we know what happens next.
Crusades or death Fatwas..... based on interpretation.

[Everlasting]

I dont trust it ;p
Yes, some of these elites and secret societies are preaching some of the stuff about god being evil.. >.>
BUT I am a new age follower, but I believe in Christianity
I actually have a goal to write a book, re translating the bibles metaphors to make the new age beliefs more valid..
I DO NOT want a one world government.. GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO BE ABOLISHED. We need.. "god" to guide everyone ;p.. Threw massive crystals that interconnect all over the world.

New age is a religion much like christianity, only much worse. Who do you think created  the new age religion in the  first place.

[Karas]

Religion;
1:
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

2:
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

I guess in that sence the new age movement is like a religion but how is it worst? In my understanding of the new age stuff is they seek peace/love/spiritual pratice and to connect with the sorce or god etc. They don't convert people or scare people with distruction which Christains love doing and many other fearful religions out there. Now days there goal is to raise the consciousness and be one with everything "one is all and all is one".

It would be worst if people follow the new age groups without understanding what they got themselves into and have no experience's themselves which Jesus would call "blind faith" 1 blind man follows the other blind man and both fell down a hole.


(random off topic thought lol...)
Isn't it intresting when a child is born and the perents are religus and raise the child to follow there beliefs? I'd say that the child would be born blind  

 

[CFTraveler]

Religion;
1:
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

2:
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

I guess in that sence the new age movement is like a religion but how is it worst?

New Age is a religion in the technical sense because a church/spiritual center/temple that follows their specific beliefs can be part of their organization, and function as such (as a nonprofit, etc.)  I know this because I used to work in a New Thought church who used to get 'labeled' New Age by people who didn't know the difference.

In my understanding of the new age stuff is they seek peace/love/spiritual pratice and to connect with the sorce or god etc. They don't convert people or scare people with distruction which Christains love doing and many other fearful religions out there. Now days there goal is to raise the consciousness and be one with everything "one is all and all is one".

That is general spirituality- a New Age organization has a specific set of beliefs, mainly the belief in reincarnation and Ascended Masters- that we can all evolve and join them is one of their tenets.

Isn't it intresting when a child is born and the perents are religus and raise the child to follow there beliefs? I'd say that the child would be born blind  

All children are taught their parent's beliefs (or caretakers)- whether they are religious or not. 

 

[Karas]

That is general spirituality- a New Age organization has a specific set of beliefs, mainly the belief in reincarnation and Ascended Masters- that we can all evolve and join them is one of their tenets.

where did they get the acended master concept from? Is it the same concept to what alot of ancient texts say about how humans were cast out and suffer in the unknown world of suffering and the only way to come back if they become godly etc?

[CFTraveler]

From the literature that the Association of New Age organizations put out occasionally.  If I still worked where I used to work (with access to such material) I would get you their address and phone number.  But alas, it's been a while since I've traveled in those circles.

I do have some of their pamphlets, and I imagine they derive their beliefs from a combination of historical scripture and possibly channeled information- I'd have to go on a hunt to see what I find.  As someone who used to work in a bookstore, I have a lot of books that I haven't read yet- not only New Agey stuff- I also have the book of Mormon and the Spiritualist Bible, for example, from those days.

[Rudolph]

And when you have religious groups condemning practices others have or believe in, well, we know what happens next.
Crusades or death Fatwas..... based on interpretation.

!? The two actions are not even the least bit comparable!

Fatwas are a mafia/cosa nostra type contract to have someone murdered.

The Crusades were a plain and simple act of self defense. Many recent attempts by objective historians have made this fact clear. Yet, for some reason the Crusades are continually misrepresented by anti-Catholic bigots as a war started to kill pagans. The reality is that it was a simple counter attack against marauding, conquering Muslim armies sweeping across not just Africa and southern Asia but also into Spain and Eastern Europe, Sicily, Italy, France, etc.

The Crusades were a brilliant counter attack that stopped violent Muslim expansion dead in its tracks.

[CFTraveler]

Fatwas are a mafia/cosa nostra type contract to have someone murdered.

A Fatwa is an edict by a legal representative.  It can lead to the contract for death, if the guy issuing it has any power.  In religious islamic nations, the guys issuing it usually have the power to make it happen.

The Crusades were a plain and simple act of self defense. Many recent attempts by objective historians have made this fact clear. Yet, for some reason the Crusades are continually misrepresented by anti-Catholic bigots as a war started to kill pagans.

And also misrepresented by anti-catholic bigots that didn't like the Cathars being killed either?  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albigensian_Crusade
And was the Inquisition a little Spanish thing that had nothing to do with the Catholic church either?  Those bigots, they're at it again!
The truth is, that when religions of any kind have any political power, religious fervor turns murderous.  Of course, the motivation is usually political, but it's easier to convince people to commit atrocities if they somehow believe God supports them.
Sadly, history shows it again and again.

[Rudolph]

The Albigensians in the Cathar regions HATED Catholics and started that war. It should be called the Albigensian Crusade against Catholics! (only once war started it did not go well for the Cathars). The Roman Church was in many years-long and continual peaceful negotiations with the Cathar nobles over how to stop the murder of Catholic priests and burning of Roman Catholic churches in that region. The murder of the RC Papal Legate in Languedoc in broad daylight was an open act of war and the last straw that broke Rome's patience.

The reason the Spanish Inquisition is called the "Spanish" Inquisition is because, Yes! CFT, it was started by Isabella, Queen of Spain, AGAINST Rome's expressed wishes and direction. You didn't know that? She had sent multiple requests to Rome requesting a ROMAN Inquisition but it was refused, multiple times. After a few years Rome did send a delegation to rein in a certain Dominican named Torquemada. Word reached Rome that he over-zealously served his queen in her plans to solidify the Conquest of Spain by expelling the Jews who did not lift a finger to help her expel the Moors. (That was not an uncommon response to matters of that nature in those days. Actually, it was quite generous and tolerant when compared to other Conquerors in history... look at Genghis Khan, for example).

For those who can set their Bigotry aside, history takes on a whole new look!



Oh... and you didn't really reply to my facts about the Crusades. So, what do you think about the Crusades now? Is self defense okay with you?

Edit; seriously -- a HUGE pack of lies has been spread about Church history for so long that complete lies are now taught as actual historical fact in schools.
The Knights Templar were not destroyed by the Pope as that idiot Mr. D Brown said. It was scattered and destroyed by King Phillipe Le Bel of France. Rome vigorously opposed the action and tried to reverse what the King had done but Phillipe won out in the end. He even advanced his armies on Rome three times to drive home his point. The Pope reluctantly dissolved the order about 5 years later after its demise was already a de facto fait accompli.

Also, The Inquisition NEVER threw Galileo in jail and certainly never tortured him. The Inquisiton action with Galileo was REQUESTED by Galileo through his good friend, the Pope! (they were old drinking pals way back when).

[CFTraveler]

As someone who grew up in the catholic church (my father went to seminary school, and I went to catholic church from kindergarten to highschool.)- so if I learned something about the catholic religion I did it from the catholic church.
You are nitpicking about the catholic church and acting as if I were attacking it.  I am talking about religion in general- about what happens when religion has the power to dictate laws, as it happens in islamic nations nowadays.
I could have easily added reformation persecution to the mix- the persecution of catholics by the newly-started protestant church- the existence of the Malleus Maleficarus, and other fun things- but I didn't because I didn't realize everyone had to be included before some devout person would spring up to defend the religion of their choice, because that is almost besides the point.
The fact is that the crusades began as 'self defense' against cultural invasion- what is known as bigotry nowadays- and it went from self defense to religious war and killing people for the hell of it- to the point of horrible things like the Children's Crusades.  Are you going to tell me this was not blasphemous in and of itself?
Anyway, you are misdirecting this thread, pushing ideological points that are not adding to this, just diverting it from it's point- and the point is not that a specific religion abused its power- the point is that ideology, when given political power, is dangerous and ultimately self-defeating.  But not after bloodshed and pain.  Unnecessary pain.